Re: [Sugar-devel] Maintaining the sugar-live-build
Gah, this default-reply-to-author-only choice is inconvenient. Forwarding... Thanks Joe, that all sounds like good stuff. On 28/10/2020, D. Joe wrote: > a long (if haphazard) connection to using live images I'm a big fan of Live CDs since that technology became possible in 2002ish, not only for the ease of distribution and booting, not only because you can just power the machine off and lose nothing, but also because once it works on a machine it will always work. Can't break... unless you scratch the CD of course. > The deterioration in the ability to > support the XO that James has mentioned was coming to a point right around > the time I started Well, I plan to turn that around and make sugarizing oneself easier, albeit tiwh different technology. I'm tempted to buy an XO on ebay when I'm rich, not only to ensure it had ongoing support but in time it's sure to become a collectible. One of the most urgent tasks seems to be to port the remaining Python2 script to Python3, as 2 is now officially retired and the main distros will be dropping it shortly, so I'm thinking of ways to be able to work on that. It's boring work, about as much fun as mincing spaghetti, but I have some experience in translating from one programming languae to another so P2->P3 with the copious guidelinesshould be relatively simple. Not that I'm looking forward to it but, hey, someone needs to do the weeding... M ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Reminder: SLOBs Meeting Today 20:00 UTC
Attached is current draft. It was drafted from the SugarLabs Wiki by Aaron Williamson, Sugar Labs Inc.'s lawyer. (https://www.akwlc.com/) (sending this separately as sometimes mailing lists send attachments later) On 2020-10-28 14:52, devin@ulibarri.website wrote: Hi All, If you would like to look over a draft of the bylaws for a future Sugarlabs Inc. and can make it at 20:00 UTC today (SLOB's usual time, every other Weds), please reply. Devin On 2020-10-14 10:45, devin@ulibarri.website wrote: Hi All, Just a friendly reminder that today is the next SLOBs Meeting. The proposed agenda is https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2020-10-14 As always, if any community members would like to join and do not already know the link for the meeting, please reply to sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org and request the link. Best, Devin Sugar Labs Bylaws 2020-10-20.docx Description: MS-Word 2007 document ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Reminder: SLOBs Meeting Today 20:00 UTC
Hi All, If you would like to look over a draft of the bylaws for a future Sugarlabs Inc. and can make it at 20:00 UTC today (SLOB's usual time, every other Weds), please reply. Devin On 2020-10-14 10:45, devin@ulibarri.website wrote: Hi All, Just a friendly reminder that today is the next SLOBs Meeting. The proposed agenda is https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2020-10-14 As always, if any community members would like to join and do not already know the link for the meeting, please reply to sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org and request the link. Best, Devin ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GCI discontinued - backup plan
Yes, Walter mentioned it at some point, looking forward in helping too. Regards On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 6:43 PM Samson Goddy wrote: > Yes, Walter mentioned it at some point, looking forward in helping too. > > > Regards > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 6:32 PM Jui Pradhan wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'm aware that GCI has been discontinued and sugarlabs was a >> participating organization before. Generally, it was around December and >> January. >> I remember reading a mail about the discussion on "how we might continue >> the concept without formal support". >> Has anything been finalized yet? Also, I would be happy to help. Do let >> me know. >> Thanks. >> >> Regards, >> -- >> Jui Pradhan >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] GCI discontinued - backup plan
Hi, I'm aware that GCI has been discontinued and sugarlabs was a participating organization before. Generally, it was around December and January. I remember reading a mail about the discussion on "how we might continue the concept without formal support". Has anything been finalized yet? Also, I would be happy to help. Do let me know. Thanks. Regards, -- Jui Pradhan ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Maintaining the sugar-live-build
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 12:27:56AM +0200, Martin Guy wrote: > So, as I'm a retired Unix wizard with spare time, I'm looking at the > idea of offering to maintain SLB. > > The directions I'd like to go in are: > - to modify SLB to update metacity to a working version (3.34 instead > of Debian buster's 3.30), probably by downloading it from > snapshot.debian.org, which should be as secure as the rest of the > Debian that it downloads > - to make a 32-bit images of it available as well as the 64-bit one. > Or just make a 32-bit one as that would work on 64-bit CPUs and I > can't see Sugar making much use of more than 4GB of RAM as the XO's > are 1 or 2GB machines. > - to include more Activities in the default build than just the base > and demos, to make it more appetizing, in the style of Fedora SoaS for > example, with Maze and other trinkets. > > I'd be interested to know what other users/developers think about > this, and how to proceed if it seems like a good idea > > Best wishes & thanks for a wonderful alternative to the ubiquitous > 1970's desktop Hi, Martin. Nice to see you stepping up to take this on. Not sure quite where to start in response, but what I have so far: I'm slow and awkward working with code, but have a long (if haphazard) connection to using live images, learning the most back in the day from my time testing LNX-BBC daily builds https://web.archive.org/web/20050915125010/http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ More recently, I've been the latest of a string of instructors to offer a Humanitarian Free and Open Source Software Development course first built around programming on and for the XO. The deterioration in the ability to support the XO that James has mentioned was coming to a point right around the time I started, which I only gradually began to realize picking through the various pieces already scattered by the earlier fork of Sugarlabs from the OLPC project. So eventually I tried to move towards using a combination of live images of Sugar, either SoaS or live-build, either persistently installed on flash drives, or as the starting point for VMs running in Virtual Box for Windows on classroom (and, as available, student's own) machines. At one point, I began offering students the option to develop for Sugarizer, with some limited success, but my heart was mostly still with Sugar on VMs. When the pandemic hit in the most recent run of the course last spring, I pivoted us entirely towards Sugarizer. I'm not sure what's next for the course, possibly a move towards something other than Sugarlabs projects, and possible with other instructors. That said, I still have the older, underlying interest in the continued development of modestly-scoped live images (see also Finnix and GRML). After having read your message yesterday, on my Ubuntu 18.04 destkop I dusted off the Debian chroot in which I last ran sugar-live-build. I updated my own wrapper chroot's Debian install, then the sugar-live-build repository against James's github upstream. I was able again to build an image that, at a crude initial level at least, seems to run OK under kvm, modulo the F3 metacity bug (which, from a testing perspective, is a win, since I can reproduce it at least). tl;dr: I might be able to help, mostly with testing and review, so long as I can reconcile my archiving habit with the disk space requirements of chrooted build systems. -- Joe ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Ubuntu 20.10 test report
On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 10:32:05AM +1100, James Cameron wrote: > The new gdm3 "one eyed frowning blob monster" is a bit frightening. > Very suitable for a pandemic. ;-) > > https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/images/gdm3-ubuntu-20.10.png Well, shucks. Now I'll never be able to unsee it :P ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
