Re: [Sugar-devel] Eager to work in fixing the UI of sugarizer.

[James Cameron]

Thanks.  I looked at the document previously and saw some of the proposed 
changes are immediately suitable for being proposed in our usual workflow, but 
I'm not the person who will be approving the changes, so I won't be specific 
about them.

I am maintainer of the GTK Implode activity, but your changes are for the 
Sugarizer version.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:03:05AM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote:
> Hello James Cameron sir, 
>          Thanks for your feedback. I agree with you that sugar is an
> educational  platform and it does not look like flooding things on the 
> internet
> but user experience plays a vital role in any of the platforms be it 
> commercial
> or non profitable. Just a simple question: will you use a phone with no broken
> or no display, Same is user experience. So if we can improve, why shouldn't we
> improve ?   
> 
> Also I would be thankful if you kindly let me know which of the proposed
> changes seems to reasonable So that I can further proceed with further
> contribution.
> Proposed document link:-[1]click me to open
> 
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 1:29 AM James Cameron <[2]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> Some of the changes proposed seem reasonable, but they aren't in the right
> form for review; they need to be pull requests against the appropriate
> repository.
> 
> I don't think we're using the older design review committee process any
> longer, and it should not be revived.  The pull request review process is
> sufficient.  In the case of Sugarizer, that's the process that Lionel has
> preferred.
> 
> However, as someone who works in science research, the proposal does not
> seem to have been researched, but is rather a collection of ideas that
> would be suitable for changing Sugarizer using A/B testing for the goal of
> increasing engagement and selling advertising.  Neither of these are
> intended, it's an educational project.  Sugar and Sugarizer don't have to
> look like everything else on the internet, and starting with that premise
> is an error.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 04:35:27PM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote:
> > Thanks Alex Sir,
> >                         Your response to email is very much appreciated.
> Sorry
> > for the late reply.
> >
> > I love to mention that I have used sugarizer for many days and I also
> know that
> > its UI has been designed with the vision that it's gonna be used by
> childrens.
> > My point is that sugarizer was developed back in 2013 and the internet
> > revolution at the time was very less in comparison to 2023. The UI and 
> Ux
> terms
> > were not that considerable at that time and everyone didn't had access 
> to
> the
> > mobile phones and internet, But as of now in 2023 the childrens from 1 
> or
> even
> > less than that start using technical devices and the UX is what first
> thing
> > that they interact with like games and other applications.So the UI of
> > sugarizer is not matching with the need of today's generation which
> reduces the
> > user interest (research) to use the platform. So my point is we can work
> to
> > enhance its UI to meet today's need and increase the interaction time of
> the
> > users of our product.
> >
> > Considering my skills, I'm a second year engineering student and a self
> > learner, I have done multiple projects on AI based applications and
> developed 2
> > websites as of now. To authenticate my words hereby i have listed all my
> > projects in my github account and link of my github account is:- 
> > [1] [3]https://www.github/Anujverma89
> >
> > Considering what part of the product and UI can be modified to give new
> user
> > experience, I have done research and explained it in the given pdf you
> can view
> > it thoroughly.
> > Here is the link :-
> > [2]Click me to open !! 
> >
> > Your suggestions on changeable topics(UI) will be highly appreciated !! 
> > Thank You..
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 12:18 AM Alex Perez <[3][4]ape...@alexperez.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >     Anuj,
> >
> >     I appreciate your enthusiasm, and welcome. Before any UI re-design
> would be
> >     considered, we would require detailed written analysis of what the
> goals
> >     are for such a re-design, what's "wrong" with the current design, 
> and
> what
> >     your qualifications are for making what are largely subjective
> changes.
> >     While everyone has opinions on UI design, engineers are often
> infamous for
> >     designing awful user interfaces. Please share with us what sorts
> >     qualifications you possess that would qualify you to make UI design
> changes
> >     to Sugar/Sugarizer.
> >
> >     Have you ever used Sugar for more than a few hours, or a day? If so,
> which
>

Re: [Sugar-devel] Eager to work in fixing the UI of sugarizer.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

The aim of sharing the design wiki page was to show you a design document
which contains lots of information,
yours doesn't have to be that way but it should give you an idea of what a
similar document should look like.

I don't think the old design review committee process should be revived.

I agree with James too, the document doesn't seem have been researched.

You should open a PR on sugarizer to continue the discussion there, it's
easier when there's something to test.

-- 

Ibiam Chihurumnaya
ib...@sugarlabs.org



On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 8:35 PM MR. OPTIMIST  wrote:

> Hello  Chihurumnaya sir,
>   Thanks for your feedback and reply to my email. I went
> through the guidelines based on which UI of the sugarizer is made. And
> except color principles i find the design proposal is okay and changes can
> be made(My opinion). All the suggestions in UI changes were made to enhance
> the navigation  experience and reduce navigation time, increase interaction
> time. I have clearly mentioned reasons why UI needs to be changed and
> proposed with effective changes that can be made.
>
> I wish to make a contribution to the following changes proposed by me.I
> also wish to keep contributing to sugar activities in future.
> Sir can this proposal make space in the gsoc idea list of sugar labs.
>
> proposed changes document link:- Click me to open !!
> 
>
> Thank you !
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 7:49 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anuj,
>>
>> While I think that changes can be made to the UI of Sugar/Sugarizer,
>> there are processes they should follow and ideas behind why
>> these processes exist, the design team
>>  page on the wiki contains
>> really helpful information.
>>
>> The document you've shared contains changes to the UI but doesn't explain
>> the reason behind those changes besides
>> "they look better" and design decisions aren't just based on something
>> looking better.
>>
>> There's also the issue of completing the UI change and maintenance,
>> maintenance is a really huge part of changes to software
>> and if someone comes and says we should change something, from previous
>> experience they usually just suggest that change and
>> aren't ready to maintain it so leaving more work to the existing
>> maintainers if the change is made.
>>
>> You've done some research like you've mentioned but the document you
>> shared doesn't show the research you've done but just
>> UI changes, it'll be helpful to point us to it.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 12:05 PM MR. OPTIMIST 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Alex Sir,
>>> Your response to email is very much appreciated.
>>> Sorry for the late reply.
>>>
>>> I love to mention that I have used sugarizer for many days and I also
>>> know that its UI has been designed with the vision that it's gonna be used
>>> by childrens. My point is that sugarizer was developed back in 2013 and the
>>> internet revolution at the time was very less in comparison to 2023. The UI
>>> and Ux terms were not that considerable at that time and everyone didn't
>>> had access to the mobile phones and internet, But as of now in 2023 the
>>> childrens from 1 or even less than that start using technical devices and
>>> the UX is what first thing that they interact with like games and other
>>> applications.So the UI of sugarizer is not matching with the need of
>>> today's generation which reduces the user interest (research) to use the
>>> platform. So my point is we can work to enhance its UI to meet today's need
>>> and increase the interaction time of the users of our product.
>>>
>>> Considering my skills, I'm a second year engineering student and a self
>>> learner, I have done multiple projects on AI based applications and
>>> developed 2 websites as of now. To authenticate my words hereby i have
>>> listed all my projects in my github account and link of my github account
>>> is:-
>>> https://www.github/Anujverma89
>>>
>>>
>>> Considering what part of the product and UI can be modified to give new
>>> user experience, I have done research and explained it in the given pdf you
>>> can view it thoroughly.
>>> Here is the link :-
>>> Click me to open !!
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Your suggestions on changeable topics(UI) will be highly appreciated !!
>>> Thank You..
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 12:18 AM Alex Perez 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Anuj,

 I appreciate your enthusiasm, and welcome. Before any UI re-design
 would be considered, we would require detailed written analysis of what the
 goals are for such a re-design, what's "wrong" with the current design, and
 what your qualifications are for making what are l