Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 08:19:53AM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: I had an idea in the shower this am (some of my best ideas come while I am in the shower). I think I may know what is going on with the Macs and live Sugar CDs and how it might be fixed. According to Apple, when you boot with the option key down, the computer looks for all bootable items, eg the Mac HD, a Windows section (via Boot Camp), an external drive, a USB stick, or a CD in the Macs optical drive. The item must contain all elements needed to be bootable. Sooo Please beware that Apple might have a different interpretation for the term bootable. It might very well be (as was for sure with pre-Intel Macs!) that the nice Apple boot selector only lists things looking Mac-like (i.e. looks like a Darwin kernel). [...some google searching...] Indeed, that seems to be the case: You need to boot from a HFS+ partition that is blessed. A solution seems to be here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869324 Beware that if blessing is similar to that of classic MacOS, then it includes adding a small binary piece that is *not* free software. In other words, it may be illegal to publish SoaS as pre-blessed images. :-( - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoZcuQACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjC1wCgh8v+TjGasKsNGHJNarJONbl1 U1UAn0rjHnFuaaVWKv3zLlS/qnriFqQL =1ldq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
OSX has a CLI bless command which may do what is necessary. I'll try to look into this, I have a recent Mac Mini Sean On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 08:19:53AM -0700, Caryl Bigenho wrote: I had an idea in the shower this am (some of my best ideas come while I am in the shower). I think I may know what is going on with the Macs and live Sugar CDs and how it might be fixed. According to Apple, when you boot with the option key down, the computer looks for all bootable items, eg the Mac HD, a Windows section (via Boot Camp), an external drive, a USB stick, or a CD in the Macs optical drive. The item must contain all elements needed to be bootable. Sooo Please beware that Apple might have a different interpretation for the term bootable. It might very well be (as was for sure with pre-Intel Macs!) that the nice Apple boot selector only lists things looking Mac-like (i.e. looks like a Darwin kernel). [...some google searching...] Indeed, that seems to be the case: You need to boot from a HFS+ partition that is blessed. A solution seems to be here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869324 Beware that if blessing is similar to that of classic MacOS, then it includes adding a small binary piece that is *not* free software. In other words, it may be illegal to publish SoaS as pre-blessed images. :-( - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoZcuQACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjC1wCgh8v+TjGasKsNGHJNarJONbl1 U1UAn0rjHnFuaaVWKv3zLlS/qnriFqQL =1ldq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:45:21PM -0300, Andrea Mangiatordi wrote: Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Beware that if blessing is similar to that of classic MacOS, then it includes adding a small binary piece that is *not* free software. In other words, it may be illegal to publish SoaS as pre-blessed images. Hi everybody, I have a pre-Intel mac, so I can't test it directly, but AFAIK there are many linux distributions which run flawlessly on a Mac (both powerpc and intel) and they even have a livecd option (I can think of Ubuntu, but there can be others). So, if Ubuntu can boot, there should be a free software way to do it.. You cannot run the currently released SoaS on a PowerPC Macintosh. The reason MacOS X seemingly runs across platforms is that all its components are compiled for both platforms. SoaS is only currently compiled for 32bit x86, which works on amd64 but not on PowerPC. Yes, it is certainly possible to run Linux on PowerPC (and ARM, and Motorola 68k and a lot of other platforms), SoaS is just not prepared for that yet, and most probably if/when it happens, it will be provided as a separate image, not a combined one for multiple platforms as with some Apple software. (...as far as I am aware - I am not directly involved in the SoaS work) Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoZtSEACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgQmACeNirzHWJn6Hj59oP1ednhYmVo xoAAn2HtdzRGc2xWcokRe8iklUtR0BoJ =jVj1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: You cannot run the currently released SoaS on a PowerPC Macintosh. That's why I wrote so I can't test it directly ;) SoaS is only currently compiled for 32bit x86, which works on amd64 but not on PowerPC. Yeah, I had to use jhbuild and precompiled ubuntu packages in order to try and use Sugar. I don't really know if the boot management system is the same on all Macs, what I wanted to say is that there are live Linux distributions for both series and those distros only include free software, so there won't be any need for the developers to use proprietary blessings. Kind regards Andrea -- Andrea Mangiatordi www.farfalla-project.org www.bglug.it ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
blessing would be useful for enabling 'boot from USB'. 'boot from CD' or 'boot from USB with helper CD' don't need it. 2009/5/24 Andrea Mangiatordi andrea.mangiato...@gmail.com: Jonas Smedegaard wrote: You cannot run the currently released SoaS on a PowerPC Macintosh. That's why I wrote so I can't test it directly ;) SoaS is only currently compiled for 32bit x86, which works on amd64 but not on PowerPC. Yeah, I had to use jhbuild and precompiled ubuntu packages in order to try and use Sugar. I don't really know if the boot management system is the same on all Macs, what I wanted to say is that there are live Linux distributions for both series and those distros only include free software, so there won't be any need for the developers to use proprietary blessings. Kind regards Andrea -- Andrea Mangiatordi www.farfalla-project.org www.bglug.it ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 06:55:12PM -0300, Andrea Mangiatordi wrote: Jonas Smedegaard wrote: You cannot run the currently released SoaS on a PowerPC Macintosh. That's why I wrote so I can't test it directly ;) Ah, ok :-) SoaS is only currently compiled for 32bit x86, which works on amd64 but not on PowerPC. Yeah, I had to use jhbuild and precompiled ubuntu packages in order to try and use Sugar. I don't really know if the boot management system is the same on all Macs, what I wanted to say is that there are live Linux distributions for both series and those distros only include free software, so there won't be any need for the developers to use proprietary blessings. Intel Macs use EFI. Newer PowerPC Macs used OpenFirmware (yes, same interface as used on XOs). Yes, it is possible to boot, also without blessed boot environment. What a blessed environment provides is improved recognition by the user-friendly builtin Apple boot selector. (the free rEFIt boot selector is user-friendly too, but not builtin, so less ideal for SoaS). - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoZzDsACgkQn7DbMsAkQLg0rQCgn1eo2YlGjUl55bdMOIbdj8YZ hYQAn2Ooa0KZhpIUvh69+3p7qb2Gl4fY =EcLG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
Hi Caroline, I haven't gotten the cd to work yet. Created 2 on the Mac. Neither works. Wonder if making it on the Windows side would do it...will try to find out how to do that. USB didn't work, even with the boot-helper. I can, and have, run Sugar with the Virtual Box. In fact, I keep it in my toolbar. I have been busy with our family business the past few days. I might have a little time tonight to try some other things. But houseguests come tomorrow afternoon and we leave for MT soon after they leave. Won't have much time to play with this until I get back to MT. Caryl Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:22:55 +0200 Subject: Re: [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How? From: carol...@solutiongrove.com To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; i...@lists.sugarlabs.org Hi Caryl, How is it going? I know of two potentail issues. 1. Getting the right materials. At sugar camp we found that the USB created on the macbook was not working, only a PC created USB seemed to work. Plus you need both the USB and the boot helper. 2. some macbooks have a bug, when you boot everything goes fine through most of the boot and just when you are about to get to Sugar you get a mostly black screen with a sqiggle in the middle. Where are you at? I especially need people with problem #2 because I don't have a test machine that shows it and its a show stopper for me for all work in Boston Public Schools because their macbooks have this issue. Thanks, Caroline 2009/5/20 Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
Hi Caroline, I had an idea in the shower this am (some of my best ideas come while I am in the shower). I think I may know what is going on with the Macs and live Sugar CDs and how it might be fixed. According to Apple, when you boot with the option key down, the computer looks for all bootable items, eg the Mac HD, a Windows section (via Boot Camp), an external drive, a USB stick, or a CD in the Macs optical drive. The item must contain all elements needed to be bootable. Sooo The live CD as downloaded is missing something! The question is, What? It may be the things that are on the boot-helper that is supposed to work with SoaS (and which didn't work for me...only the Virtual Box thing has worked so far). SoMaybe someone can figure out what the missing elements are and add them to create a Mac version of the live CD. Better still...maybe they can also figure out how to get it to work on the older non-intel Powerbooks running on the same OSX that the MacBooks use. Make it OS dependent rather than hardware dependent. Know any programming wizards who could take this on? Caryl From: cbige...@hotmail.com To: carol...@solutiongrove.com CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; i...@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: RE: [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How? Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:27:00 -0700 Hi Caroline, I haven't gotten the cd to work yet. Created 2 on the Mac. Neither works. Wonder if making it on the Windows side would do it...will try to find out how to do that. USB didn't work, even with the boot-helper. I can, and have, run Sugar with the Virtual Box. In fact, I keep it in my toolbar. I have been busy with our family business the past few days. I might have a little time tonight to try some other things. But houseguests come tomorrow afternoon and we leave for MT soon after they leave. Won't have much time to play with this until I get back to MT. Caryl Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:22:55 +0200 Subject: Re: [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How? From: carol...@solutiongrove.com To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; i...@lists.sugarlabs.org Hi Caryl, How is it going? I know of two potentail issues. 1. Getting the right materials. At sugar camp we found that the USB created on the macbook was not working, only a PC created USB seemed to work. Plus you need both the USB and the boot helper. 2. some macbooks have a bug, when you boot everything goes fine through most of the boot and just when you are about to get to Sugar you get a mostly black screen with a sqiggle in the middle. Where are you at? I especially need people with problem #2 because I don't have a test machine that shows it and its a show stopper for me for all work in Boston Public Schools because their macbooks have this issue. Thanks, Caroline 2009/5/20 Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
Hi Caryl, How is it going? I know of two potentail issues. 1. Getting the right materials. At sugar camp we found that the USB created on the macbook was not working, only a PC created USB seemed to work. Plus you need both the USB and the boot helper. 2. some macbooks have a bug, when you boot everything goes fine through most of the boot and just when you are about to get to Sugar you get a mostly black screen with a sqiggle in the middle. Where are you at? I especially need people with problem #2 because I don't have a test machine that shows it and its a show stopper for me for all work in Boston Public Schools because their macbooks have this issue. Thanks, Caroline 2009/5/20 Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
I have a new macbook, but have seen issue 1 and not 2. Is there some sequence of usb/cd creation I should try that might produce the problem? Its intel mac only, right? My partner has a desktop mac running leopard, but its intel also. I can later try on this setup if it would be of value. Cheers, James. 2009/5/23 Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com Hi Caryl, How is it going? I know of two potentail issues. 1. Getting the right materials. At sugar camp we found that the USB created on the macbook was not working, only a PC created USB seemed to work. Plus you need both the USB and the boot helper. 2. some macbooks have a bug, when you boot everything goes fine through most of the boot and just when you are about to get to Sugar you get a mostly black screen with a sqiggle in the middle. Where are you at? I especially need people with problem #2 because I don't have a test machine that shows it and its a show stopper for me for all work in Boston Public Schools because their macbooks have this issue. Thanks, Caroline 2009/5/20 Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
This may be helpful too: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
