Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: El 03/11/13 11:56, Walter Bender escribió: Does this mean one will be able to create Sugar Activities from Turtle Bocks itself? Not exactly. But you can sketch the behavior of a Sugar Activity, e.g., paint, fototoons, record, tamtam, et al. You still would need to add the activity wrapper. It is more an experiment in moving from block-bnsed programming to text-based programming. Is there such a wrapper? I want it! I don't see the point in reimplementing those, but I see value of lowering the barriers for contribution of new activities from our young users. That would be great! Long term, it would be great to be able to write all of Sugar in Turtle Blocks. I don't see the point of that either. My goal is not to replace Sugar (or Sugar activities) with Turtle Blocks, but to use Turtle Blocks to make Sugar and Sugar activities more transparent. I posit that once you have written a simple paint program in Turtle Blocks, suddenly the underlying mechanics of the Paint activity are more readily accessible. I don't see Turtle Blocks as the authoring tool for activities as much as the tool for understanding the basic mechanisms that underlay them. regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01
My goal is not to replace Sugar (or Sugar activities) with Turtle Blocks, but to use Turtle Blocks to make Sugar and Sugar activities more transparent. I posit that once you have written a simple paint program in Turtle Blocks, suddenly the underlying mechanics of the Paint activity are more readily accessible. I don't see Turtle Blocks as the authoring tool for activities as much as the tool for understanding the basic mechanisms that underlay them. Said in this way, have more sense :) I have heard you many times talking about write all the activities and sugar itself in TurtleArt, and I never understood if was a joke or a serious proposal (and of course, I have many motives to think this can't be a serious proposal ...) May be is only a communication issue, but is good send a clear message. Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: My goal is not to replace Sugar (or Sugar activities) with Turtle Blocks, but to use Turtle Blocks to make Sugar and Sugar activities more transparent. I posit that once you have written a simple paint program in Turtle Blocks, suddenly the underlying mechanics of the Paint activity are more readily accessible. I don't see Turtle Blocks as the authoring tool for activities as much as the tool for understanding the basic mechanisms that underlay them. Said in this way, have more sense :) I have heard you many times talking about write all the activities and sugar itself in TurtleArt, and I never understood if was a joke or a serious proposal (and of course, I have many motives to think this can't be a serious proposal ...) May be is only a communication issue, but is good send a clear message. Gonzalo Let me use a real-world example. I have seen many children use sensors in Scratch and have little if any idea what they were really doing. A few minutes with the Measure activity gave them some insight. Followed up with writing Measure in Turtle Blocks, and they had real clarity. When they returned to Scratch, they knew what they were doing. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01
El 01/11/13 11:38, Walter Bender escribió: 6. Working with Marion Zepf and Alan Aguiar (with some help from Martin Abente), we are close to releasing a version of Turtle Blocks that has Marion's export Python feature [9]. It would be great to work with some one on testing this feature in a middle-school classroom. Does this mean one will be able to create Sugar Activities from Turtle Bocks itself? That would be great! Sebastian ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: El 01/11/13 11:38, Walter Bender escribió: 6. Working with Marion Zepf and Alan Aguiar (with some help from Martin Abente), we are close to releasing a version of Turtle Blocks that has Marion's export Python feature [9]. It would be great to work with some one on testing this feature in a middle-school classroom. Does this mean one will be able to create Sugar Activities from Turtle Bocks itself? Not exactly. But you can sketch the behavior of a Sugar Activity, e.g., paint, fototoons, record, tamtam, et al. You still would need to add the activity wrapper. It is more an experiment in moving from block-bnsed programming to text-based programming. That would be great! Long term, it would be great to be able to write all of Sugar in Turtle Blocks. Sebastian regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2013-11-01
El 03/11/13 11:56, Walter Bender escribió: Does this mean one will be able to create Sugar Activities from Turtle Bocks itself? Not exactly. But you can sketch the behavior of a Sugar Activity, e.g., paint, fototoons, record, tamtam, et al. You still would need to add the activity wrapper. It is more an experiment in moving from block-bnsed programming to text-based programming. Is there such a wrapper? I want it! I don't see the point in reimplementing those, but I see value of lowering the barriers for contribution of new activities from our young users. That would be great! Long term, it would be great to be able to write all of Sugar in Turtle Blocks. I don't see the point of that either. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
