Re: [Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
Hi, Uptill now I have been successful in installing all the activities except etoys(there is some file opeing error in the log) and I can't find the repository named image as specfied in the list of the activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ I thought that after the exams I would bug people on IRC and get the etoys issue fixed and run it. @ignacio On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez nachoe...@gmail.comwrote: I like you'r apply, but by the way.. How do you do with Etoys? This is really weird! -- Ignacio Rodríguez. Have I missed something? I am guessing that etoys is not at all supprted or what? Thanks, Gaurav ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
Etoys is not in Python, I think. How will you write tests? Will UI tests work on it? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Gaurav Parida gparid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Uptill now I have been successful in installing all the activities except etoys(there is some file opeing error in the log) and I can't find the repository named image as specfied in the list of the activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ I thought that after the exams I would bug people on IRC and get the etoys issue fixed and run it. @ignacio On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez nachoe...@gmail.comwrote: I like you'r apply, but by the way.. How do you do with Etoys? This is really weird! -- Ignacio Rodríguez. Have I missed something? I am guessing that etoys is not at all supprted or what? Thanks, Gaurav ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
I don't think so, it's not using gtk. On 13 March 2014 13:22, Sai Vineet saivinee...@gmail.com wrote: Etoys is not in Python, I think. How will you write tests? Will UI tests work on it? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Gaurav Parida gparid...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Uptill now I have been successful in installing all the activities except etoys(there is some file opeing error in the log) and I can't find the repository named image as specfied in the list of the activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ I thought that after the exams I would bug people on IRC and get the etoys issue fixed and run it. @ignacio On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez nachoe...@gmail.comwrote: I like you'r apply, but by the way.. How do you do with Etoys? This is really weird! -- Ignacio Rodríguez. Have I missed something? I am guessing that etoys is not at all supprted or what? Thanks, Gaurav ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
Probably etoys would be out of the list of activities to test. Gonzalo On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think so, it's not using gtk. On 13 March 2014 13:22, Sai Vineet saivinee...@gmail.com wrote: Etoys is not in Python, I think. How will you write tests? Will UI tests work on it? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Gaurav Parida gparid...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Uptill now I have been successful in installing all the activities except etoys(there is some file opeing error in the log) and I can't find the repository named image as specfied in the list of the activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ I thought that after the exams I would bug people on IRC and get the etoys issue fixed and run it. @ignacio On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez nachoe...@gmail.comwrote: I like you'r apply, but by the way.. How do you do with Etoys? This is really weird! -- Ignacio Rodríguez. Have I missed something? I am guessing that etoys is not at all supprted or what? Thanks, Gaurav ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
We could ask the Etoys maintainers to build us some sort of dbus interface we can work with. But I agree, it should be out of the first batch of programs we test. regards. -walter On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Probably etoys would be out of the list of activities to test. Gonzalo On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think so, it's not using gtk. On 13 March 2014 13:22, Sai Vineet saivinee...@gmail.com wrote: Etoys is not in Python, I think. How will you write tests? Will UI tests work on it? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Gaurav Parida gparid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Uptill now I have been successful in installing all the activities except etoys(there is some file opeing error in the log) and I can't find the repository named image as specfied in the list of the activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ I thought that after the exams I would bug people on IRC and get the etoys issue fixed and run it. @ignacio On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez nachoe...@gmail.com wrote: I like you'r apply, but by the way.. How do you do with Etoys? This is really weird! -- Ignacio Rodríguez. Have I missed something? I am guessing that etoys is not at all supprted or what? Thanks, Gaurav ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
They could support the atk dbus interface (if I remember correctly it's not gtk only) but it would likely be a lot of work... On 13 March 2014 13:55, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: We could ask the Etoys maintainers to build us some sort of dbus interface we can work with. But I agree, it should be out of the first batch of programs we test. regards. -walter On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Probably etoys would be out of the list of activities to test. Gonzalo On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think so, it's not using gtk. On 13 March 2014 13:22, Sai Vineet saivinee...@gmail.com wrote: Etoys is not in Python, I think. How will you write tests? Will UI tests work on it? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Gaurav Parida gparid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Uptill now I have been successful in installing all the activities except etoys(there is some file opeing error in the log) and I can't find the repository named image as specfied in the list of the activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ I thought that after the exams I would bug people on IRC and get the etoys issue fixed and run it. @ignacio On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez nachoe...@gmail.com wrote: I like you'r apply, but by the way.. How do you do with Etoys? This is really weird! -- Ignacio Rodríguez. Have I missed something? I am guessing that etoys is not at all supprted or what? Thanks, Gaurav ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
Question: is there no other way to write UI tests? ATK is a pain. And if I'm not wrong ATK is a accessibility related thing, so we're using the using the wrong way to test? On Mar 13, 2014 6:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: They could support the atk dbus interface (if I remember correctly it's not gtk only) but it would likely be a lot of work... On 13 March 2014 13:55, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: We could ask the Etoys maintainers to build us some sort of dbus interface we can work with. But I agree, it should be out of the first batch of programs we test. regards. -walter On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Probably etoys would be out of the list of activities to test. Gonzalo On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think so, it's not using gtk. On 13 March 2014 13:22, Sai Vineet saivinee...@gmail.com wrote: Etoys is not in Python, I think. How will you write tests? Will UI tests work on it? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Gaurav Parida gparid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Uptill now I have been successful in installing all the activities except etoys(there is some file opeing error in the log) and I can't find the repository named image as specfied in the list of the activities at http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ I thought that after the exams I would bug people on IRC and get the etoys issue fixed and run it. @ignacio On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez nachoe...@gmail.com wrote: I like you'r apply, but by the way.. How do you do with Etoys? This is really weird! -- Ignacio Rodríguez. Have I missed something? I am guessing that etoys is not at all supprted or what? Thanks, Gaurav ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs - Learning Software for children -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
On 13 March 2014 14:20, Sai Vineet saivinee...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there no other way to write UI tests? ATK is a pain. You need some kind of out-of-process mechanism to click around, see the UI etc. I'm not sure there is anything better than atk for that. And if I'm not wrong ATK is a accessibility related thing, so we're using the using the wrong way to test? Well, dogtail, which is far as I know is the only alive test automation framework for gtk, uses ATK in the same way. Also using the accessibility toolkit for UI test is something seen in several other toolkits. You need the same kind of things... I'm not sure what is you issue with ATK exactly. The current sugar.test.uitree stuff is really low level, you could build something more friendly on it perhaps (or use dogtail even, I gave up on it because it was too complicated and racy but things might have improved now that ATK is more stable). But there might also be an issue with the amount of information ATK exposes, some of our controls doesn't quite show up in the tree I think. Though that might also be fixable, by improving our accessibility story at the same time :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
Hi, Ok I will make the changes the changes in the timeline of the proposal. and keep the etoys as optional as of now. Yes I think dogtail is used by gnome people to do their UI tests. I'm not sure what is you issue with ATK exactly. The current sugar.test.uitree stuff is really low level, you could build something more friendly on it perhaps (or use dogtail even, I gave up on it because it was too complicated and racy but things might have improved now that ATK is more stable). But there might also be an issue with the amount of information ATK exposes, some of our controls doesn't quite show up in the tree I think. Though that might also be fixable, by improving our accessibility story at the same time :) I will get on to UI tests and see dogtail too as soon as my exams get over. My 3 Questions :) 1. What is the repo named Image as given in the link of the list of activities in fructose http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/ 2. Do I need to write an analysis on how tests work and how it will be done with reference to the activities in the proposal? 3. @org administrator (walter) Please review my proposal at google melange whenever you are free and give the feedback so that I could modify it before the deadline. Thanks, Gaurav On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 March 2014 14:20, Sai Vineet saivinee...@gmail.com wrote: Question: is there no other way to write UI tests? ATK is a pain. You need some kind of out-of-process mechanism to click around, see the UI etc. I'm not sure there is anything better than atk for that. And if I'm not wrong ATK is a accessibility related thing, so we're using the using the wrong way to test? Well, dogtail, which is far as I know is the only alive test automation framework for gtk, uses ATK in the same way. Also using the accessibility toolkit for UI test is something seen in several other toolkits. You need the same kind of things... I'm not sure what is you issue with ATK exactly. The current sugar.test.uitree stuff is really low level, you could build something more friendly on it perhaps (or use dogtail even, I gave up on it because it was too complicated and racy but things might have improved now that ATK is more stable). But there might also be an issue with the amount of information ATK exposes, some of our controls doesn't quite show up in the tree I think. Though that might also be fixable, by improving our accessibility story at the same time :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] My GSoC Proposal for activity unit tests
Hello all, Since, my college mid-semester exams are starting from tomorrow, I won't be much active on IRC till 15th, March. So, thought of posting this here. As the GSoC project, I am planning to take up the activity unit tests project, I have written my first draft of the proposal and submitted both on melange and wiki.sugarlabs. link - http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Gp94/Activity_Unit_Tests It would be great if the mentors and the contributors can find time from their busy schedule and evaluate my proposal and give their feedback, so that I can make alterations and make a better proposal. I also have one question, do we need to add a detailed analysis on how the project will be implemented, like how the tests in python work and how it will be run with the activities? Awaiting for the feedback :) Thanks, Gaurav (gp94 on IRC) PS - have cc'ed the mail to walter and daniel because they are the mentors for this project. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
