Re: [Sugar-devel] Porting sugar activity to sugarizer
Working on it. Thanks for the feedback. On Fri, 13 Mar, 2020, 1:56 AM James Cameron, wrote: > Sorry, no, I can't. I don't understand it fully myself, and I've a > lack of time. My focus is on the reverse; to bring Sugarizer > activities back into Sugar. > > In general, you should spend the time to decompose and document the > algorithm using your own understanding of Python source code. The > documentation you make may not be needed by anyone else other than > you, but if you do publish it then I'd like to host it in the Implode > repository for future use in diagnosing any problems. > > In terms of sizing this effort, I'd expect a programmer to be able to > reverse engineer Python code at a rate of between one and ten lines of > code a minute, depending on the breadth of their experience. If > you're not up to that, then either find someone else to do it > (i.e. not me), or take some other task. > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 06:07:45PM +0530, Abhishek Tanwar wrote: > > I have been trying to understand the game but it is quite tough .If you > could > > provide me with some logic,algorithm and references used ,it would be > helpful > > to understand the code. > > Thank You > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> > wrote: > > > > The board is not random in the beginning. > > > > When creating a game to play Implode starts with an empty board state > > and injects transformations to confuse that state. The type of > > transformations are the exact inverse of those the player requests in > > a winning move sequence. > > > > The code is in boardgen.py > > > > The Maze game has a reversible algorithm too. > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:55:49AM +0530, Abhishek Tanwar wrote: > > > I am porting Implode activity to sugarizer . I read the code a few > times > > and I > > > partially understood its working . One thing that I am not able to > > understand > > > is the logic that the game always have an answer despite of random > board > > > formation in the beginning . > > > Is it that the initial state of board is designed according to > last state > > and > > > the game is played in a reverse order such that there exist no > state in > > which > > > there is no next move to make? > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > > [2]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > > [3]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > -- > > James Cameron > > [4]http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > > > References: > > > > [1] mailto:qu...@laptop.org > > [2] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [3] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > [4] http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Porting sugar activity to sugarizer
Sorry, no, I can't. I don't understand it fully myself, and I've a lack of time. My focus is on the reverse; to bring Sugarizer activities back into Sugar. In general, you should spend the time to decompose and document the algorithm using your own understanding of Python source code. The documentation you make may not be needed by anyone else other than you, but if you do publish it then I'd like to host it in the Implode repository for future use in diagnosing any problems. In terms of sizing this effort, I'd expect a programmer to be able to reverse engineer Python code at a rate of between one and ten lines of code a minute, depending on the breadth of their experience. If you're not up to that, then either find someone else to do it (i.e. not me), or take some other task. On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 06:07:45PM +0530, Abhishek Tanwar wrote: > I have been trying to understand the game but it is quite tough .If you could > provide me with some logic,algorithm and references used ,it would be helpful > to understand the code. > Thank You > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote: > > The board is not random in the beginning. > > When creating a game to play Implode starts with an empty board state > and injects transformations to confuse that state. The type of > transformations are the exact inverse of those the player requests in > a winning move sequence. > > The code is in boardgen.py > > The Maze game has a reversible algorithm too. > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:55:49AM +0530, Abhishek Tanwar wrote: > > I am porting Implode activity to sugarizer . I read the code a few times > and I > > partially understood its working . One thing that I am not able to > understand > > is the logic that the game always have an answer despite of random board > > formation in the beginning . > > Is it that the initial state of board is designed according to last > state > and > > the game is played in a reverse order such that there exist no state in > which > > there is no next move to make? > > > > > ___ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > [2]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > [3]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- > James Cameron > [4]http://quozl.netrek.org/ > > References: > > [1] mailto:qu...@laptop.org > [2] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > [3] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > [4] http://quozl.netrek.org/ -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Porting sugar activity to sugarizer
I have been trying to understand the game but it is quite tough .If you could provide me with some logic,algorithm and references used ,it would be helpful to understand the code. Thank You On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:07 AM James Cameron wrote: > The board is not random in the beginning. > > When creating a game to play Implode starts with an empty board state > and injects transformations to confuse that state. The type of > transformations are the exact inverse of those the player requests in > a winning move sequence. > > The code is in boardgen.py > > The Maze game has a reversible algorithm too. > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:55:49AM +0530, Abhishek Tanwar wrote: > > I am porting Implode activity to sugarizer . I read the code a few times > and I > > partially understood its working . One thing that I am not able to > understand > > is the logic that the game always have an answer despite of random board > > formation in the beginning . > > Is it that the initial state of board is designed according to last > state and > > the game is played in a reverse order such that there exist no state in > which > > there is no next move to make? > > > > > ___ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.netrek.org/ > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Porting sugar activity to sugarizer
The board is not random in the beginning. When creating a game to play Implode starts with an empty board state and injects transformations to confuse that state. The type of transformations are the exact inverse of those the player requests in a winning move sequence. The code is in boardgen.py The Maze game has a reversible algorithm too. On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 08:55:49AM +0530, Abhishek Tanwar wrote: > I am porting Implode activity to sugarizer . I read the code a few times and I > partially understood its working . One thing that I am not able to understand > is the logic that the game always have an answer despite of random board > formation in the beginning . > Is it that the initial state of board is designed according to last state and > the game is played in a reverse order such that there exist no state in which > there is no next move to make? > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Porting sugar activity to sugarizer
I am porting Implode activity to sugarizer . I read the code a few times and I partially understood its working . One thing that I am not able to understand is the logic that the game always have an answer despite of random board formation in the beginning . Is it that the initial state of board is designed according to last state and the game is played in a reverse order such that there exist no state in which there is no next move to make? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
