Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]
The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists. I can think of a couple of approaches * Get Sugar running well on the CuBox-i. Find budget to buy a few of those to distribute to chosen journalist and teachers. Try to partner with SolidRun to offer Sugar as an out-of-the-box installation option. Although the hardware specs are a good target for Sugar3, I believe that suggesting a really small box with 5 cables connected to it to showcase a K-9 educational platform, may retract from the feasibility and thoroughness of the project. A decent rooted tablet (ie Nexus 7) running Sugar on top of Linux, even if the performance is not the best, would be much more catchy and maybe suggestive of a Sugar-on-Android to come. You can still do the CuBox thing but not for journalists and teachers. * Make it easy to run Sugar inside VirtualBox on Windows and OS X. Without having investigated too deeply it seems that a two step process would be both realistically implementable and easy enough for the user 1 Install virtualbox 2 Install a Sugar application (which would take care of setting up the appliance). This is certainly a good idea but it must work as advertised ie in 1 click after the VM software is installed. I would only add Parallels-VM/VMware appliances since may already be present in these closed OSs and can really provide a single click to Sugar. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]
I don't think we should be suggestive of Sugar on a tablet until we have a minimally realistic idea of how to get it done. There is enough talk about this Sugar-on-Android which is not coming... :) Though you are right that the Cubox-i might send the wrong message. I was seeing it more like a vehicle for the software but, yeah, the hardware won't be ignored. It would a better way to demo to developers or possible hardware partners. Another idea. Sugar in a web browser. It would be the easiest to get running for the users and it's consistent with the current direction of development. Lots of work left to have enough activities for it to be a compelling experience... Maybe virtualized Sugar is the short term goal, Sugar in a web browser is the long term one. On Friday, 8 November 2013, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists. I can think of a couple of approaches * Get Sugar running well on the CuBox-i. Find budget to buy a few of those to distribute to chosen journalist and teachers. Try to partner with SolidRun to offer Sugar as an out-of-the-box installation option. Although the hardware specs are a good target for Sugar3, I believe that suggesting a really small box with 5 cables connected to it to showcase a K-9 educational platform, may retract from the feasibility and thoroughness of the project. A decent rooted tablet (ie Nexus 7) running Sugar on top of Linux, even if the performance is not the best, would be much more catchy and maybe suggestive of a Sugar-on-Android to come. You can still do the CuBox thing but not for journalists and teachers. * Make it easy to run Sugar inside VirtualBox on Windows and OS X. Without having investigated too deeply it seems that a two step process would be both realistically implementable and easy enough for the user 1 Install virtualbox 2 Install a Sugar application (which would take care of setting up the appliance). This is certainly a good idea but it must work as advertised ie in 1 click after the VM software is installed. I would only add Parallels-VM/VMware appliances since may already be present in these closed OSs and can really provide a single click to Sugar. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org javascript:; http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]
On 11/08/2013 03:28 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: I don't think we should be suggestive of Sugar on a tablet until we have a minimally realistic idea of how to get it done. There is enough talk about this Sugar-on-Android which is not coming... :) Though you are right that the Cubox-i might send the wrong message. I was seeing it more like a vehicle for the software but, yeah, the hardware won't be ignored. It would a better way to demo to developers or possible hardware partners. Another idea. Sugar in a web browser. It would be the easiest to get running for the users and it's consistent with the current direction of development. Lots of work left to have enough activities for it to be a compelling experience... Maybe virtualized Sugar is the short term goal,* Sugar in a web browser is the long term one. *Many of these are already available here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit/sck/Sugar-in-Virtualization http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Virtual_machines There are many distributions where sugar is supported: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Creation_Kit#Linux_distributions_where_Sugar_is_available Tom Gilliard satellit on #sugar, #schoolserver, and #fedora-qa on freenode IRC On Friday, 8 November 2013, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists. I can think of a couple of approaches * Get Sugar running well on the CuBox-i. Find budget to buy a few of those to distribute to chosen journalist and teachers. Try to partner with SolidRun to offer Sugar as an out-of-the-box installation option. Although the hardware specs are a good target for Sugar3, I believe that suggesting a really small box with 5 cables connected to it to showcase a K-9 educational platform, may retract from the feasibility and thoroughness of the project. A decent rooted tablet (ie Nexus 7) running Sugar on top of Linux, even if the performance is not the best, would be much more catchy and maybe suggestive of a Sugar-on-Android to come. You can still do the CuBox thing but not for journalists and teachers. * Make it easy to run Sugar inside VirtualBox on Windows and OS X. Without having investigated too deeply it seems that a two step process would be both realistically implementable and easy enough for the user 1 Install virtualbox 2 Install a Sugar application (which would take care of setting up the appliance). This is certainly a good idea but it must work as advertised ie in 1 click after the VM software is installed. I would only add Parallels-VM/VMware appliances since may already be present in these closed OSs and can really provide a single click to Sugar. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org javascript:; http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 12:28 +0100, Daniel Narvaez wrote: I don't think we should be suggestive of Sugar on a tablet until we have a minimally realistic idea of how to get it done. There is enough talk about this Sugar-on-Android which is not coming... :) Though you are right that the Cubox-i might send the wrong message. I was seeing it more like a vehicle for the software but, yeah, the hardware won't be ignored. It would a better way to demo to developers or possible hardware partners. Another idea. Sugar in a web browser. It would be the easiest to get running for the users and it's consistent with the current direction of development. Lots of work left to have enough activities for it to be a compelling experience... Maybe virtualized Sugar is the short term goal, Sugar in a web browser is the long term one. On Friday, 8 November 2013, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists. I can think of a couple of approaches * Get Sugar running well on the CuBox-i. Find budget to buy a few of those to distribute to chosen journalist and teachers. Try to partner with SolidRun to offer Sugar as an out-of-the-box installation option. Although the hardware specs are a good target for Sugar3, I believe that suggesting a really small box with 5 cables connected to it to showcase a K-9 educational platform, may retract from the feasibility and thoroughness of the project. Agreed, but when presented as Sugar_on_a_Set_Top_Box, this is not so unusual. Screwed to the back of a monitor, with power from the monitor, and wifi, the wires can be reduced to zero. Iain Brown Douglas A decent rooted tablet (ie Nexus 7) running Sugar on top of Linux, even if the performance is not the best, would be much more catchy and maybe suggestive of a Sugar-on-Android to come. You can still do the CuBox thing but not for journalists and teachers. * Make it easy to run Sugar inside VirtualBox on Windows and OS X. Without having investigated too deeply it seems that a two step process would be both realistically implementable and easy enough for the user 1 Install virtualbox 2 Install a Sugar application (which would take care of setting up the appliance). This is certainly a good idea but it must work as advertised ie in 1 click after the VM software is installed. I would only add Parallels-VM/VMware appliances since may already be present in these closed OSs and can really provide a single click to Sugar. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]
cc'ing Marketing as well. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists. I can think of a couple of approaches * Get Sugar running well on the CuBox-i. Find budget to buy a few of those to distribute to chosen journalist and teachers. Try to partner with SolidRun to offer Sugar as an out-of-the-box installation option. Although the hardware specs are a good target for Sugar3, I believe that suggesting a really small box with 5 cables connected to it to showcase a K-9 educational platform, may retract from the feasibility and thoroughness of the project. A decent rooted tablet (ie Nexus 7) running Sugar on top of Linux, even if the performance is not the best, would be much more catchy and maybe suggestive of a Sugar-on-Android to come. I agree that to showcase Sugar, a tablet would be a better platform than Raspberry Pi, or Cubox-1, etc. Ruben Rodriguez showed us a Nexus 7 tablet running sugar at the OLPC SF summit. This build was running on top of Ubuntu desktop for ARM. We also had a Nexus 7 that was running the Ubuntu Touch (for phone and tablets) and Ruben thought it would perhaps be a better platform for running Sugar on a ARM tablet instead of his approach. I haven't followed up with him, but I'm cc'ing him as well. cheers, Sameer You can still do the CuBox thing but not for journalists and teachers. * Make it easy to run Sugar inside VirtualBox on Windows and OS X. Without having investigated too deeply it seems that a two step process would be both realistically implementable and easy enough for the user 1 Install virtualbox 2 Install a Sugar application (which would take care of setting up the appliance). This is certainly a good idea but it must work as advertised ie in 1 click after the VM software is installed. I would only add Parallels-VM/VMware appliances since may already be present in these closed OSs and can really provide a single click to Sugar. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: cc'ing Marketing as well. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists. I can think of a couple of approaches * Get Sugar running well on the CuBox-i. Find budget to buy a few of those to distribute to chosen journalist and teachers. Try to partner with SolidRun to offer Sugar as an out-of-the-box installation option. Although the hardware specs are a good target for Sugar3, I believe that suggesting a really small box with 5 cables connected to it to showcase a K-9 educational platform, may retract from the feasibility and thoroughness of the project. A decent rooted tablet (ie Nexus 7) running Sugar on top of Linux, even if the performance is not the best, would be much more catchy and maybe suggestive of a Sugar-on-Android to come. I agree that to showcase Sugar, a tablet would be a better platform than Raspberry Pi, or Cubox-1, etc. Ruben Rodriguez showed us a Nexus 7 tablet running sugar at the OLPC SF summit. This build was running on top of Ubuntu desktop for ARM. We also had a Nexus 7 that was running the Ubuntu Touch (for phone and tablets) and Ruben thought it would perhaps be a better platform for running Sugar on a ARM tablet instead of his approach. I haven't followed up with him, but I'm cc'ing him as well. Found a thread that might be helpful. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-September/044819.html cheers, Sameer cheers, Sameer You can still do the CuBox thing but not for journalists and teachers. * Make it easy to run Sugar inside VirtualBox on Windows and OS X. Without having investigated too deeply it seems that a two step process would be both realistically implementable and easy enough for the user 1 Install virtualbox 2 Install a Sugar application (which would take care of setting up the appliance). This is certainly a good idea but it must work as advertised ie in 1 click after the VM software is installed. I would only add Parallels-VM/VMware appliances since may already be present in these closed OSs and can really provide a single click to Sugar. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]
Getting Sugar to run on a Nexus 7 is relatively simple, making it usable enough would likely be a lot of work but it should be possible. But, as far as I know, we have no idea of how get around the rooting, making it a viable solution for deployments. Until we figure that out IMO it doesn't make sense to market Sugar on a tablet. On Friday, 8 November 2013, Sameer Verma wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edujavascript:; wrote: cc'ing Marketing as well. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com javascript:; wrote: The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists. I can think of a couple of approaches * Get Sugar running well on the CuBox-i. Find budget to buy a few of those to distribute to chosen journalist and teachers. Try to partner with SolidRun to offer Sugar as an out-of-the-box installation option. Although the hardware specs are a good target for Sugar3, I believe that suggesting a really small box with 5 cables connected to it to showcase a K-9 educational platform, may retract from the feasibility and thoroughness of the project. A decent rooted tablet (ie Nexus 7) running Sugar on top of Linux, even if the performance is not the best, would be much more catchy and maybe suggestive of a Sugar-on-Android to come. I agree that to showcase Sugar, a tablet would be a better platform than Raspberry Pi, or Cubox-1, etc. Ruben Rodriguez showed us a Nexus 7 tablet running sugar at the OLPC SF summit. This build was running on top of Ubuntu desktop for ARM. We also had a Nexus 7 that was running the Ubuntu Touch (for phone and tablets) and Ruben thought it would perhaps be a better platform for running Sugar on a ARM tablet instead of his approach. I haven't followed up with him, but I'm cc'ing him as well. Found a thread that might be helpful. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-September/044819.html cheers, Sameer cheers, Sameer You can still do the CuBox thing but not for journalists and teachers. * Make it easy to run Sugar inside VirtualBox on Windows and OS X. Without having investigated too deeply it seems that a two step process would be both realistically implementable and easy enough for the user 1 Install virtualbox 2 Install a Sugar application (which would take care of setting up the appliance). This is certainly a good idea but it must work as advertised ie in 1 click after the VM software is installed. I would only add Parallels-VM/VMware appliances since may already be present in these closed OSs and can really provide a single click to Sugar. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org javascript:; http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org javascript:; http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
