Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Christoph Derndorfer]

That's because the olpc.at domain currently points to the olsrd Web site
while the OLPC Austria Web site gets restored.
Christoph

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:36 PM, David Van Assche wrote:

> Well its not that it doesn't resolve, it goes to a page not found...
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Christoph Derndorfer <
> christoph.derndor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:30 PM, David Van Assche 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> the activity handbook link on the Almanac page is broken...
>>>
>>
>> That doesn't really come as a surprise since the OLPC Austria Web site
>> (where the Activity Handbook is hosted on the wiki) has been down for the
>> past week or so... :-/
>>
>> Christoph
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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[David Van Assche]

Well its not that it doesn't resolve, it goes to a page not found...

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Christoph Derndorfer <
christoph.derndor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:30 PM, David Van Assche wrote:
>
>> the activity handbook link on the Almanac page is broken...
>>
>
> That doesn't really come as a surprise since the OLPC Austria Web site
> (where the Activity Handbook is hosted on the wiki) has been down for the
> past week or so... :-/
>
> Christoph
>
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> url: www.olpcnews.com
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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Christoph Derndorfer]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:30 PM, David Van Assche wrote:

> the activity handbook link on the Almanac page is broken...
>

That doesn't really come as a surprise since the OLPC Austria Web site
(where the Activity Handbook is hosted on the wiki) has been down for the
past week or so... :-/

Christoph

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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[David Van Assche]

the activity handbook link on the Almanac page is broken...

David

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Tomeu Vizoso  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:03, Christoph
> Derndorfer wrote:
> > I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Sugar Almanac so far:
> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac
> >
> > IMHO this is the best place to get you started with Sugar development.
>
> Yeah, but for now it's only python :/
>
> We need people to keep contributing to it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:03, Christoph
Derndorfer wrote:
> I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Sugar Almanac so far:
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac
>
> IMHO this is the best place to get you started with Sugar development.

Yeah, but for now it's only python :/

We need people to keep contributing to it.

Regards,

Tomeu

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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Christoph Derndorfer]

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Sugar Almanac so far:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac

IMHO this is the best place to get you started with Sugar development.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:40, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>
> On 27.07.2009, at 21:04, Ton van Overbeek wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Luke Faraone wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:36, Ton van Overbeek
>>> 
>>> wrote:

 I need the low-level dbus interface to the journal (or glib-dbus
 interface).
 This does not seem to be documented anywhere.
>>>
>>> Isn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_DBus_API#Keeping_and_Resuming
>>>  what
>>> you want?
>>
>> Yes, but it was/is not clear to me if this up-to-date.
>
> As far as I know it is. I have been trying to keep the page current.

The DS API shouldn't have changed since the last changes from Bert.

Regards,

Tomeu

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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 02:29, Edward Cherlin wrote:
> If those who know where things are and how things work are willing, we
> can create proper Sugar API documentation. I'll help.

I will be happy to answer any questions you have about that.

Thanks,

Tomeu

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Ton van Overbeek wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Luke Faraone wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:36, Ton van Overbeek 
>>> wrote:

 I need the low-level dbus interface to the journal (or glib-dbus
 interface).
 This does not seem to be documented anywhere.
>>>
>>> Isn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_DBus_API#Keeping_and_Resuming what
>>> you want?
>>
>> Yes, but it was/is not clear to me if this up-to-date. I also would
>> have hoped/expected
>> that this type of information would be available on wiki.sugarlabs.org
>> instead of
>> wiki.laptop.org.
>> Anyway, for keeping/resuming I would need the equivalent C/C++ interface,
>> but by following the python code I can probably figure it out.
>> (Tried to look at Etoys, but I do not fancy to leam smalltalk ;-))
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Bert Freudenberg]

On 27.07.2009, at 21:04, Ton van Overbeek wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Luke Faraone wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:36, Ton van Overbeek  
>> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I need the low-level dbus interface to the journal (or glib-dbus
>>> interface).
>>> This does not seem to be documented anywhere.
>>
>> Isn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_DBus_API#Keeping_and_Resuming 
>>  what
>> you want?
>
> Yes, but it was/is not clear to me if this up-to-date.

As far as I know it is. I have been trying to keep the page current.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Ton van Overbeek]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
> Actually, I see Sugar API documentation at
>
> http://api.sugarlabs.org/
>
> including Module dbus_helpers.
>
> Does this help?

Yes, but ...
The API docs at api.sugarlabs.org are generated directly from the code
by doxygen.
dbus_helpers states explicitly that it is not stable.
>From sugar.datastore.dbus_helpers source code:
-
 19  """
 20  UNSTABLE. Should be internal to the datastore module.
 21  """
-

Is there a (semi-)stable low level dbus spec for the datastore?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Edward Cherlin]

Actually, I see Sugar API documentation at

http://api.sugarlabs.org/

including Module dbus_helpers.

Does this help?

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
> If those who know where things are and how things work are willing, we
> can create proper Sugar API documentation. I'll help.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Ton van Overbeek wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Luke Faraone wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:36, Ton van Overbeek 
>>> wrote:

 I need the low-level dbus interface to the journal (or glib-dbus
 interface).
 This does not seem to be documented anywhere.
>>>
>>> Isn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_DBus_API#Keeping_and_Resuming what
>>> you want?
>>
>> Yes, but it was/is not clear to me if this up-to-date. I also would
>> have hoped/expected
>> that this type of information would be available on wiki.sugarlabs.org
>> instead of
>> wiki.laptop.org.
>> Anyway, for keeping/resuming I would need the equivalent C/C++ interface,
>> but by following the python code I can probably figure it out.
>> (Tried to look at Etoys, but I do not fancy to leam smalltalk ;-))
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Edward Cherlin]

If those who know where things are and how things work are willing, we
can create proper Sugar API documentation. I'll help.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Ton van Overbeek wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Luke Faraone wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:36, Ton van Overbeek 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I need the low-level dbus interface to the journal (or glib-dbus
>>> interface).
>>> This does not seem to be documented anywhere.
>>
>> Isn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_DBus_API#Keeping_and_Resuming what
>> you want?
>
> Yes, but it was/is not clear to me if this up-to-date. I also would
> have hoped/expected
> that this type of information would be available on wiki.sugarlabs.org
> instead of
> wiki.laptop.org.
> Anyway, for keeping/resuming I would need the equivalent C/C++ interface,
> but by following the python code I can probably figure it out.
> (Tried to look at Etoys, but I do not fancy to leam smalltalk ;-))
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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Ton van Overbeek]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Luke Faraone wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:36, Ton van Overbeek 
> wrote:
>>
>> I need the low-level dbus interface to the journal (or glib-dbus
>> interface).
>> This does not seem to be documented anywhere.
>
> Isn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_DBus_API#Keeping_and_Resuming what
> you want?

Yes, but it was/is not clear to me if this up-to-date. I also would
have hoped/expected
that this type of information would be available on wiki.sugarlabs.org
instead of
wiki.laptop.org.
Anyway, for keeping/resuming I would need the equivalent C/C++ interface,
but by following the python code I can probably figure it out.
(Tried to look at Etoys, but I do not fancy to leam smalltalk ;-))

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Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Luke Faraone]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:36, Ton van Overbeek wrote:

> I need the low-level dbus interface to the journal (or glib-dbus
> interface).
> This does not seem to be documented anywhere.
>

Isn't http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_DBus_API#Keeping_and_Resuming what
you want?


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[Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

[Ton van Overbeek]

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Luke Faraone wrote:
  
>>
>> There were some emails in the past on how Tux Paint can't save to the
>> Journal so you can't use it with Memorize, etc.
>
> Odd, it used to.
>
> So, is the solution to fix the bug, or to rewrite Tux Paint?

TuxPaint has never been able to save drawings to the journal.
I have volunteered to try to add this to TuxPaint, but in order to do this
I need the low-level dbus interface to the journal (or glib-dbus interface).
This does not seem to be documented anywhere.
Even the python API does not seem to be documented.
The only thing I can find are the copy to/from journal python functions.
Where is the stable(?) API to the journal/datastore described?
Especially with all the discussions about tagging, sorting, etc. I'd like
to know which parts of the API are stable and which are subject to change.

Hope somebody has some pointers, either to docs or to code in
other C activities.

Ton van Overbeek
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