Re: [Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write
Excerpts from Gonzalo Odiard's message of Fri Dec 03 14:00:58 +0100 2010: You can increment/decrement the zoom with Ctrl + / - to any level. Is that discoverable? What are the increments (step size)? How fast is it? It usually takes me only very few tries to choose the correct zoom level by entering a number (good first guess + something similar to binary search). If I can only single-step (in addition to the few fixed zoom levels), it'll either be a bad match (too large increment) or take a lot of key presses / time (fine increment = many steps). Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write
Sascha I understand your comments, but I think we need to prioritize the simple use of the more useful features. A spinbutton is not IMHO a good interface to change the zoom level, but I am not sure, that's the reason why I asked to the UI team. Another option is add a button to set the zoom at Page width, or Page height, but probably another hacker will complain about too much controls... Gonzalo On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Gonzalo Odiard's message of Fri Dec 03 14:00:58 +0100 2010: You can increment/decrement the zoom with Ctrl + / - to any level. Is that discoverable? What are the increments (step size)? How fast is it? It usually takes me only very few tries to choose the correct zoom level by entering a number (good first guess + something similar to binary search). If I can only single-step (in addition to the few fixed zoom levels), it'll either be a bad match (too large increment) or take a lot of key presses / time (fine increment = many steps). Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write
On 4 Dec 2010, at 16:48, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Sascha I understand your comments, but I think we need to prioritize the simple use of the more useful features. A spinbutton is not IMHO a good interface to change the zoom level, but I am not sure, that's the reason why I asked to the UI team. Another option is add a button to set the zoom at Page width, or Page height, but probably another hacker will complain about too much controls... Well at least it's one level deep in the View toolbar, I'd be happy to create a fit to width and fit to height svg icons, then we can keep the old arbitrary size widget as is. Perhaps we can make the final call once we see it. --Gary Gonzalo On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Gonzalo Odiard's message of Fri Dec 03 14:00:58 +0100 2010: You can increment/decrement the zoom with Ctrl + / - to any level. Is that discoverable? What are the increments (step size)? How fast is it? It usually takes me only very few tries to choose the correct zoom level by entering a number (good first guess + something similar to binary search). If I can only single-step (in addition to the few fixed zoom levels), it'll either be a bad match (too large increment) or take a lot of key presses / time (fine increment = many steps). Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: On 4 Dec 2010, at 16:48, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: Sascha I understand your comments, but I think we need to prioritize the simple use of the more useful features. A spinbutton is not IMHO a good interface to change the zoom level, but I am not sure, that's the reason why I asked to the UI team. Another option is add a button to set the zoom at Page width, or Page height, but probably another hacker will complain about too much controls... Well at least it's one level deep in the View toolbar, I'd be happy to create a fit to width and fit to height svg icons, then we can keep the old arbitrary size widget as is. Perhaps we can make the final call once we see it. --Gary Ok, I will wait for your icons. Thanks. Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write
FWIW, this is the font-sizing code I ended up using in my three activities (OurMusic, SunMoonMusic and FileMix). It is contained near the beginning of the csndsugui.py module. It contains an option for the user to resize text in the given activity for the particular monitor, and sizes for OLPC (XO-1/XO-1.5), SoaS 0.84 and up. Thank goodness, from Mirabelle upward, SoaS seems not to be changing font size. All multiplication factors were determined empirically - by filling a screen width with text (the starting point was the OLPC display), then seeing what modifications were necessary for the various incarnations of SoaS. The code works well for all versions of Sugar I've tried, as well as monitors. def scale_font(self, widget): font = widget.get_pango_context().get_font_description() # The FONT DISPLAY in this activity can be resized (smaller or larger) # by changing the value of resize below. Resize can be positive # or negative, and is not limited to integers. A value of 1 equals a # point in font size. resize = 0 font_size = font.get_size() + (resize * 1024) width = gtk.gdk.screen_width() mult = width * .00076 if os.path.exists(/etc/olpc-release) or os.path.exists(/etc/power/olpc-pm): mult = width * .00082 elif os.path.exists(/etc/fedora-release): release = open(/etc/fedora-release).read() if release.find(SoaS release 1 ) != -1: mult = width * .00132 elif release.find(SoaS release 2 ) != -1: mult = width * .00085 elif release.find(Fedora release ) != -1: mult = width * .00119 font.set_size(int(font_size * mult)) widget.modify_font(font) Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Gonzalo Odiard To: sugar-devel Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write Sascha I understand your comments, but I think we need to prioritize the simple use of the more useful features. A spinbutton is not IMHO a good interface to change the zoom level, but I am not sure, that's the reason why I asked to the UI team. Another option is add a button to set the zoom at Page width, or Page height, but probably another hacker will complain about too much controls... Gonzalo On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Gonzalo Odiard's message of Fri Dec 03 14:00:58 +0100 2010: You can increment/decrement the zoom with Ctrl + / - to any level. Is that discoverable? What are the increments (step size)? How fast is it? It usually takes me only very few tries to choose the correct zoom level by entering a number (good first guess + something similar to binary search). If I can only single-step (in addition to the few fixed zoom levels), it'll either be a bad match (too large increment) or take a lot of key presses / time (fine increment = many steps). Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Fri Dec 03 02:04:00 +0100 2010: The previous UI allowed someone to choose an unusual scaling value, say 88%, so I guess the question is if that is a feature folks are happy loosing. In my experience, unusual scaling values were to try and get to a good Page width setting manually, so would not be such a loss. Please don't remove the ability to choose arbitrary scaling values! The lack of this feature is one of the few things I hate about xpdf (the version in Debian at least - ISTR that the Gentoo version had this ability a few years back). It makes reading a lot of scientific papers (and other documents, of course) a pain (sometimes literally) because either the font is too small to read comfortably or you have to scroll constantly as lines span more than the screen width. By choosing an arbitrary scale value, I can put exactly those parts on screen that I want to read. Often, but not always this simply means zooming in to match the actual text layout instead of the paper size (most (La)TeX styles include rather wide borders to accommodate binding). You can increment/decrement the zoom with Ctrl + / - to any level. Gonzalo Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write
Gary and UI team: Second, I am trying to do a few changes in Write, but I ask you about your opinion The first is easy: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3913 I have added the separators and changed the order. I added screenshot in http://dev.laptop.org/attachment/ticket/3913/combo-style.png It's a change only for 0.84 branch and uwog think is ok. In the second I have more doubts, related to the ticket http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3316 I am trying to add a easy access to the more useful zoom values (Page width and whole page) I changed the spinbutton by a combobox, but I don't know if is the right change. May be I can add two buttons to access this options. Screenshot http://dev.laptop.org/attachment/ticket/3316/combo-zoom.png What you think? The patch is for the 0.84 branch, but the change can be applied in master too. Thanks Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write
Hi Gonzalo, On 2 Dec 2010, at 12:44, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: Gary and UI team: Second, I am trying to do a few changes in Write, but I ask you about your opinion The first is easy: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3913 I have added the separators and changed the order. I added screenshot in http://dev.laptop.org/attachment/ticket/3913/combo-style.png It's a change only for 0.84 branch and uwog think is ok. Yes, looks OK. Though note that this UI has been replaced in the new toolbar (0.86 and up) by individual icons. In the second I have more doubts, related to the ticket http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3316 I am trying to add a easy access to the more useful zoom values (Page width and whole page) I changed the spinbutton by a combobox, but I don't know if is the right change. May be I can add two buttons to access this options. Screenshot http://dev.laptop.org/attachment/ticket/3316/combo-zoom.png What you think? I like it. Watch the capitalisation of Whole Page, perhaps the term you are after is Page height, but I might not understand how you have actually coded that specific choice. The previous UI allowed someone to choose an unusual scaling value, say 88%, so I guess the question is if that is a feature folks are happy loosing. In my experience, unusual scaling values were to try and get to a good Page width setting manually, so would not be such a loss. Regards, --Gary The patch is for the 0.84 branch, but the change can be applied in master too. Thanks Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] UI: Advice about UI changes in Write
Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Fri Dec 03 02:04:00 +0100 2010: The previous UI allowed someone to choose an unusual scaling value, say 88%, so I guess the question is if that is a feature folks are happy loosing. In my experience, unusual scaling values were to try and get to a good Page width setting manually, so would not be such a loss. Please don't remove the ability to choose arbitrary scaling values! The lack of this feature is one of the few things I hate about xpdf (the version in Debian at least - ISTR that the Gentoo version had this ability a few years back). It makes reading a lot of scientific papers (and other documents, of course) a pain (sometimes literally) because either the font is too small to read comfortably or you have to scroll constantly as lines span more than the screen width. By choosing an arbitrary scale value, I can put exactly those parts on screen that I want to read. Often, but not always this simply means zooming in to match the actual text layout instead of the paper size (most (La)TeX styles include rather wide borders to accommodate binding). Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
