Re: [Sugar-devel] Yama First impressions, OLPC OS 13.1 31018
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Kim kimtoufec...@gmail.com wrote: I'd call my 1.5 HS first impressions poor. Beginning from a clean install (fs-update from a USB stick), things loaded fine and the opening hello boot-up experience is improved. After using the control panel to connect to the web, set time, place, jabber, and frame settings, I killed Sugar in Browse amost immediately (I tried to save the clipping I had just made of my developer key link to my journal using the context menu the appears when hovering over the clipping icon on the left side of the frame). In three years of using an xo-1 and -1.5, this OS crashed more quickly than any other, and that includes some of the earlier builds in this sequence (number 8 didn't have these problems). The clipboard related issues are known and are being worked on. I believe we have had them for the whole development cycle, not just post build 8. They are introduced by the underlying technological shift to GTK3 technologies, so it is not a trivial fix or something that we can just revert to fix it. It will be fixed before the final release is made though - we're making progress. If you are seeing other problems, especially ones that have only appeared after build 8, we'd very much appreciate further emails describing them. Switching over to the Gnome interface also failed to delight: I can't hide the bars at the top and bottom of the screen by right-clicking as I could in the past, and choosing on Change Desktop Background after right-clicking on the desktop did nothing. The customization of some GNOME components has indeed decreased a bit in the last few years, especially in the GNOME fallback mode that we run. Some of the panel customizations can be restored by holding Alt and right clicking. Perhaps not ideal, I know. I don't think we were aware of the Change Desktop Background problem, so I've filed http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/12399 to look at it later. As for the I and L issue on XO-1.5, we're aware and have almost fixed it. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/12354 Thanks again for the feedback. If there are other problems that you've encountered but haven't described, please send followup emails letting us know. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Yama First impressions, OLPC OS 13.1 31018
Kim kimtoufectis at gmail.com writes: I'd call my 1.5 HS first impressions poor. Beginning from a clean install (fs-update from a USB stick), things loaded fine and the opening hello boot-up experience is improved. After using the control panel to connect to the web, set time, place, jabber, and frame settings, I killed Sugar in Browse amost immediately (I tried to save the clipping I had just made of my developer key link to my journal using the context menu the appears when hovering over the clipping icon on the left side of the frame). In three years of using an xo-1 and -1.5, this OS crashed more quickly than any other, and that includes some of the earlier builds in this sequence (number 8 didn't have these problems). Finally getting the developeer key into Terminal produced a that certificate is invalid message, so to complete the process I needed to add --no-check-certificate to the end of the command as instructed. These are great ways to let send non-tech folks like me know they're not the target audience... I agree the Sugar interface doesn't seem a developer priority right now; that's a shame. I am puzzled that brand new activities often only support older OS's...and Dextrose 3 had some features I've given up hoping for in other versions of sugar, like an indicator of processor/memory strain in the frame and an easy way to offer user feedback Switching over to the Gnome interface also failed to delight: I can't hide the bars at the top and bottom of the screen by right-clicking as I could in the past, and choosing on Change Desktop Background after right-clicking on the desktop did nothing. In gnome I do like that I don't have to reconnect to wifi; my settings carry over from Sugar. Playing with this iteration of Sugar some more on a 1.5 HS, I find that trying to save any clipping to the journal kills the activity, and code streams by on a black background as (presumably) Sugar reboots, whether in Browse or elsewhere. As was true for version 8, certain letters (L's and I's I think) seem to vanish from certain text; so Feliz Navidad becomes Fe z Nav dad in the similarly-named activity. Closing that activity also caused Sugar to reboot. Ignore the repeat that follows; I wasn't able to post less than I quoted so I'm just going to triple my post through repetition. Playing with this iteration of Sugar some more on a 1.5 HS, I find that trying to save any clipping to the journal kills the activity, and code streams by on a black background as (presumably) Sugar reboots, whether in Browse or elsewhere. As was true for version 8, certain letters (L's and I's I think) seem to vanish from certain text; so Feliz Navidad becomes Fe z Nav dad in the similarly-named activity. Closing that activity also caused Sugar to reboot. Playing with this iteration of Sugar some more on a 1.5 HS, I find that trying to save any clipping to the journal kills the activity, and code streams by on a black background as (presumably) Sugar reboots, whether in Browse or elsewhere. As was true for version 8, certain letters (L's and I's I think) seem to vanish from certain text; so Feliz Navidad becomes Fe z Nav dad in the similarly-named activity. Closing that activity also caused Sugar to reboot. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Yama First impressions, OLPC OS 13.1 31018
On 12/15/12 13:50, Kim wrote: Kim kimtoufectis at gmail.com writes: I'd call my 1.5 HS first impressions poor. Beginning from a clean install (fs-update from a USB stick), things loaded fine and the opening hello boot-up experience is improved. After using the control panel to connect to the web, set time, place, jabber, and frame settings, I killed Sugar in Browse amost immediately (I tried to save the clipping I had just made of my developer key link to my journal using the context menu the appears when hovering over the clipping icon on the left side of the frame). In three years of using an xo-1 and -1.5, this OS crashed more quickly than any other, and that includes some of the earlier builds in this sequence (number 8 didn't have these problems). Finally getting the developeer key into Terminal produced a that certificate is invalid message, so to complete the process I needed to add --no-check-certificate to the end of the command as instructed. These are great ways to let send non-tech folks like me know they're not the target audience... I agree the Sugar interface doesn't seem a developer priority right now; that's a shame. I am puzzled that brand new activities often only support older OS's...and Dextrose 3 had some features I've given up hoping for in other versions of sugar, like an indicator of processor/memory strain in the frame and an easy way to offer user feedback Switching over to the Gnome interface also failed to delight: I can't hide the bars at the top and bottom of the screen by right-clicking as I could in the past, and choosing on Change Desktop Background after right-clicking on the desktop did nothing. In gnome I do like that I don't have to reconnect to wifi; my settings carry over from Sugar. Playing with this iteration of Sugar some more on a 1.5 HS, I find that trying to save any clipping to the journal kills the activity, and code streams by on a black background as (presumably) Sugar reboots, whether in Browse or elsewhere. As was true for version 8, certain letters (L's and I's I think) seem to vanish from certain text; so Feliz Navidad becomes Fe z Nav dad in the similarly-named activity. Closing that activity also caused Sugar to reboot. Ignore the repeat that follows; I wasn't able to post less than I quoted so I'm just going to triple my post through repetition. Playing with this iteration of Sugar some more on a 1.5 HS, I find that trying to save any clipping to the journal kills the activity, and code streams by on a black background as (presumably) Sugar reboots, whether in Browse or elsewhere. Seems to general bug : http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4312 f18 TC-1-selecting text from entry line and hitting copy with mouse in IRC-10 causes sugar-desktop and SoaS to reboot Quoted from bug:Actually, its not only localized to IRC. I tried Copy in Browse and ViewSlides and it crashes sugar. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885319f18 TC-1-selecting text from entry line and hitting copy with mouse in IRC-10 causes sugar-desktop and SoaS to reboot As was true for version 8, certain letters (L's and I's I think) seem to vanish from certain text; so Feliz Navidad becomes Fe z Nav dad in the similarly-named activity. Closing that activity also caused Sugar to reboot. Playing with this iteration of Sugar some more on a 1.5 HS, I find that trying to save any clipping to the journal kills the activity, and code streams by on a black background as (presumably) Sugar reboots, whether in Browse or elsewhere. As was true for version 8, certain letters (L's and I's I think) seem to vanish from certain text; so Feliz Navidad becomes Fe z Nav dad in the similarly-named activity. Closing that activity also caused Sugar to reboot. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Yama First impressions, OLPC OS 13.1 31018
I'd call my 1.5 HS first impressions poor. Beginning from a clean install (fs-update from a USB stick), things loaded fine and the opening hello boot-up experience is improved. After using the control panel to connect to the web, set time, place, jabber, and frame settings, I killed Sugar in Browse amost immediately (I tried to save the clipping I had just made of my developer key link to my journal using the context menu the appears when hovering over the clipping icon on the left side of the frame). In three years of using an xo-1 and -1.5, this OS crashed more quickly than any other, and that includes some of the earlier builds in this sequence (number 8 didn't have these problems). We have a few big problems with clipboard and we are trying to solve them. The problem is not in sugar code, but in the lower level libraries, but the final result affect us. Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Yama First impressions, OLPC OS 13.1 31018
Yama Ploskonka yamaplos at gmail.com writes: IMHO networking security might gain from having an option to permanently hide the password. I believe Linux is years ahead of Windows in this, as we can choose to make the password visible or not, but it would add security if passwords also could be hidden permanently, as a third choice, especially to avoid other people getting some school password. It still should be possible to have it visible or not when entering it - so much easier to correct mistakes, mistakes get common as passwords get longer or complex. *Sugar GUI* (I personally have given up on Sugar getting easier to use as versions accrue. What I saw shows not much difference of what we had) 1) I personally like the spiral, aesthetically. Yet, it makes finding something even harder, but then finding Activities easily didn't seem to be the goal of the Favorites view. Terminal is hidden again. If someone /deserves/ Terminal privileges, they can learn how to get it, so it's OK. I'd call my 1.5 HS first impressions poor. Beginning from a clean install (fs-update from a USB stick), things loaded fine and the opening hello boot-up experience is improved. After using the control panel to connect to the web, set time, place, jabber, and frame settings, I killed Sugar in Browse amost immediately (I tried to save the clipping I had just made of my developer key link to my journal using the context menu the appears when hovering over the clipping icon on the left side of the frame). In three years of using an xo-1 and -1.5, this OS crashed more quickly than any other, and that includes some of the earlier builds in this sequence (number 8 didn't have these problems). Finally getting the developeer key into Terminal produced a that certificate is invalid message, so to complete the process I needed to add --no-check-certificate to the end of the command as instructed. These are great ways to let send non-tech folks like me know they're not the target audience... I agree the Sugar interface doesn't seem a developer priority right now; that's a shame. I am puzzled that brand new activities often only support older OS's...and Dextrose 3 had some features I've given up hoping for in other versions of sugar, like an indicator of processor/memory strain in the frame and an easy way to offer user feedback Switching over to the Gnome interface also failed to delight: I can't hide the bars at the top and bottom of the screen by right-clicking as I could in the past, and choosing on Change Desktop Background after right-clicking on the desktop did nothing. In gnome I do like that I don't have to reconnect to wifi; my settings carry over from Sugar. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
