Re: [Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 17:06, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > CC += localization list > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:10, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:24, Simon Schampijer wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06, Morgan Collett > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will >>> require string changes. >>> >>> What do people think about bundling all those string changes together >>> in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then >>> translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. >> >> Today is UserInterfaceFreeze for Ubuntu jaunty, which includes a >> string freeze, so although the Ubuntu release is on April 23 we won't >> be able to ship 0.84.1 if there are string changes. >> >> The best approach for Ubuntu packaging in this case would be to apply >> 0.84.1 patches which fix bugs and which don't have string changes, to >> the 0.84.0 packages. > > Then I guess it would be better to not change any string in 0.84.1? > > Regards, > > Tomeu Yeah, string changes sounds out of question for 0.84.1 - however did you have anything specific in mind - that would not work at all without a string change? >>> >>> There are some tickets about file transfer that would need UI changes, >>> but we can probably do without new strings, not sure. >> >> After giving a deeper look at the schedules in Fedora and Ubuntu, >> looks like we can land fixes that imply string changes, as their >> freezes don't apply to Sugar. >> >> For Ubuntu, it was clarified some minutes ago: >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze?action=info >> >> For Fedora, the string freeze only applies to software for which >> Fedora is upstream: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/StringFreezePolicy >> >> So maybe we should take this chance and add some strings for 0.84.1? >> >> Regards, >> > > > To be honest, I'm a bit apprehensive about lifting the string freeze, > since it may cause a large number of strings to be pushed into the > stable branch all of a sudden (I know that everyone has his/her > favourite string which has not got in due to string freeze ;-), and as > soon as the freeze is lifted I expect a deluge of new strings coming > in). > Normally most projects (GNOME, etc) do not lift the string freeze for > minor releases, and I think that the translators are expecting that > the string freeze will _not_ to be lifted for the 0.84 release. > Considering the above two facts, I would prefer the status quo to > remain - in other words, if you want a new string to go in, use the > normal process you follow for a string freeze break approval. Oh, sure, what I was proposing is to ask an exception for the set of strings (3-4) we need to add. Not really to lift the freeze. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
CC += localization list On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:10, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:24, Simon Schampijer wrote: >>> Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06, Morgan Collett wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will >> require string changes. >> >> What do people think about bundling all those string changes together >> in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then >> translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. > > Today is UserInterfaceFreeze for Ubuntu jaunty, which includes a > string freeze, so although the Ubuntu release is on April 23 we won't > be able to ship 0.84.1 if there are string changes. > > The best approach for Ubuntu packaging in this case would be to apply > 0.84.1 patches which fix bugs and which don't have string changes, to > the 0.84.0 packages. Then I guess it would be better to not change any string in 0.84.1? Regards, Tomeu >>> >>> Yeah, string changes sounds out of question for 0.84.1 - however did you >>> have anything specific in mind - that would not work at all without a string >>> change? >> >> There are some tickets about file transfer that would need UI changes, >> but we can probably do without new strings, not sure. > > After giving a deeper look at the schedules in Fedora and Ubuntu, > looks like we can land fixes that imply string changes, as their > freezes don't apply to Sugar. > > For Ubuntu, it was clarified some minutes ago: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze?action=info > > For Fedora, the string freeze only applies to software for which > Fedora is upstream: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/StringFreezePolicy > > So maybe we should take this chance and add some strings for 0.84.1? > > Regards, > To be honest, I'm a bit apprehensive about lifting the string freeze, since it may cause a large number of strings to be pushed into the stable branch all of a sudden (I know that everyone has his/her favourite string which has not got in due to string freeze ;-), and as soon as the freeze is lifted I expect a deluge of new strings coming in). Normally most projects (GNOME, etc) do not lift the string freeze for minor releases, and I think that the translators are expecting that the string freeze will _not_ to be lifted for the 0.84 release. Considering the above two facts, I would prefer the status quo to remain - in other words, if you want a new string to go in, use the normal process you follow for a string freeze break approval. Cheers, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:10, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:24, Simon Schampijer wrote: >> Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06, Morgan Collett >>> wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > Hi all, > > chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will > require string changes. > > What do people think about bundling all those string changes together > in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then > translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. Today is UserInterfaceFreeze for Ubuntu jaunty, which includes a string freeze, so although the Ubuntu release is on April 23 we won't be able to ship 0.84.1 if there are string changes. The best approach for Ubuntu packaging in this case would be to apply 0.84.1 patches which fix bugs and which don't have string changes, to the 0.84.0 packages. >>> >>> Then I guess it would be better to not change any string in 0.84.1? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Tomeu >> >> Yeah, string changes sounds out of question for 0.84.1 - however did you >> have anything specific in mind - that would not work at all without a string >> change? > > There are some tickets about file transfer that would need UI changes, > but we can probably do without new strings, not sure. After giving a deeper look at the schedules in Fedora and Ubuntu, looks like we can land fixes that imply string changes, as their freezes don't apply to Sugar. For Ubuntu, it was clarified some minutes ago: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserInterfaceFreeze?action=info For Fedora, the string freeze only applies to software for which Fedora is upstream: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/StringFreezePolicy So maybe we should take this chance and add some strings for 0.84.1? Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:24, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06, Morgan Collett >> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi all, chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will require string changes. What do people think about bundling all those string changes together in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. >>> >>> Today is UserInterfaceFreeze for Ubuntu jaunty, which includes a >>> string freeze, so although the Ubuntu release is on April 23 we won't >>> be able to ship 0.84.1 if there are string changes. >>> >>> The best approach for Ubuntu packaging in this case would be to apply >>> 0.84.1 patches which fix bugs and which don't have string changes, to >>> the 0.84.0 packages. >> >> Then I guess it would be better to not change any string in 0.84.1? >> >> Regards, >> >> Tomeu > > Yeah, string changes sounds out of question for 0.84.1 - however did you > have anything specific in mind - that would not work at all without a string > change? There are some tickets about file transfer that would need UI changes, but we can probably do without new strings, not sure. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06, Morgan Collett wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will >>> require string changes. >>> >>> What do people think about bundling all those string changes together >>> in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then >>> translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. >> Today is UserInterfaceFreeze for Ubuntu jaunty, which includes a >> string freeze, so although the Ubuntu release is on April 23 we won't >> be able to ship 0.84.1 if there are string changes. >> >> The best approach for Ubuntu packaging in this case would be to apply >> 0.84.1 patches which fix bugs and which don't have string changes, to >> the 0.84.0 packages. > > Then I guess it would be better to not change any string in 0.84.1? > > Regards, > > Tomeu Yeah, string changes sounds out of question for 0.84.1 - however did you have anything specific in mind - that would not work at all without a string change? Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:06, Morgan Collett wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will >> require string changes. >> >> What do people think about bundling all those string changes together >> in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then >> translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. > > Today is UserInterfaceFreeze for Ubuntu jaunty, which includes a > string freeze, so although the Ubuntu release is on April 23 we won't > be able to ship 0.84.1 if there are string changes. > > The best approach for Ubuntu packaging in this case would be to apply > 0.84.1 patches which fix bugs and which don't have string changes, to > the 0.84.0 packages. Then I guess it would be better to not change any string in 0.84.1? Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > Hi all, > > chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will > require string changes. > > What do people think about bundling all those string changes together > in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then > translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. Today is UserInterfaceFreeze for Ubuntu jaunty, which includes a string freeze, so although the Ubuntu release is on April 23 we won't be able to ship 0.84.1 if there are string changes. The best approach for Ubuntu packaging in this case would be to apply 0.84.1 patches which fix bugs and which don't have string changes, to the 0.84.0 packages. Regards Morgan ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] string changes for 0.84.1
Hi all, chances are that some of the bugs we get to fix during 0.84.1 will require string changes. What do people think about bundling all those string changes together in one single update in something like one or two weeks? Then translators can translate those in one go before 0.84.1 is out. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
