Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Alerting users in case of write errors (sl#1842)
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 05:27:56PM +0530, Anish Mangal wrote: Thanks for the insightful responses. I have used a slightly modded version of NotifyAlert (aptly called NotifyRedAlert). A sample screen-capture can be found here... Reviewed. I don't like timed alerts, since we have no guarantee that the attention span of the user is contiguous, and given the age of the typical user perhaps it is even more fragmented than we might think. Notification in synchronous response to user action should use the alert mechanism as you have done, just without the timer. Asynchronous notification is entirely different, since it relates to actions by others, delayed response to actions by self, or system events. An invitation to join an activity uses an asynchronous notification on the top left of the toolbar. What we have *now* for asynchronous notification that are not invitations ... can be seen as an icon that appears in the top right of the toolbar. It can be activated by typing this command at a shell prompt: notify-send title some text Unfortunately, in 0.84 at least, while the icon appears there seems to be no way to obtain the notification text. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Alerting users in case of write errors (sl#1842)
Hi Anish, On 13 Jun 2010, at 12:57, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: An alert like a chat or Activity sharing invitation would be nice, but one with a more visible signal is needed. We really really really ... need a general notification system. :D Please no popup error dialogue windows if you can avoid it ;) The alert strip that displays under the toolbar is a much more friendly notification for the Sugar UI design. Thanks for the insightful responses. I have used a slightly modded version of NotifyAlert (aptly called NotifyRedAlert). A sample screen-capture can be found here... http://people.sugarlabs.org/~anish/sl1842-journal.gif Note: The link above is a big animated gif (~1.8M) and some browsers may struggle to display it. Yea, my iPad chocked half way through :) If this seems fine, I'll mail the patch for reviewing. Looks nice. The colour fade (red to black over the time-out countdown) is something new and not in the Sugar HIG, but I don't have an objection — makes fair warning UI sense and could be something we adopt elsewhere when needed (if there aren't too many objections). Regards, --Gary Cheers, Anish On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10 Jun 2010, at 19:13, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I was planning on fixing sl#1842 [1] but I'm not sure what should be the correct method of alerting users incase a write error does occur. Should I popup a dialog box, or use alerts like the one used in chat, sugar-commander? Suggestions welcome. Please no popup error dialogue windows if you can avoid it ;) The alert strip that displays under the toolbar is a much more friendly notification for the Sugar UI design. Regards, --Gary [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1842, Cheers, Anish ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Alerting users in case of write errors (sl#1842)
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 20:56, Martin Abente mabe...@paraguayeduca.org wrote: We really really really ... need a general notification system. :D You may not believe it, but the shell has an implementation of http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/ . We need more activities to use it and also improve the implementation. Regards, Tomeu On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 14:39 -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I was planning on fixing sl#1842 [1] but I'm not sure what should be the correct method of alerting users incase a write error does occur. Should I popup a dialog box, or use alerts like the one used in chat, sugar-commander? Suggestions welcome. [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1842, An alert like a chat or Activity sharing invitation would be nice, but one with a more visible signal is needed. I imagine an alert icon that rises out of the Frame, enlarges and glows for a few moments, then settles back to the Frame, but then shows a glowing edge or corona and bumps up slightly every 15 or 30 seconds in case the learner was focused on another Activity at the time the alert was first displayed (or just decided to postpone attention to the alert and then forgot about the pending need for attention). Of course, the icon should be clickable and reveal a useful palette of actions at any point in its lifetime. New alerts with behavior like the above would be welcome for invitations as well as errors. Thanks! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Alerting users in case of write errors (sl#1842)
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 20:56, Martin Abente mabe...@paraguayeduca.org wrote: We really really really ... need a general notification system. :D You may not believe it, but the shell has an implementation of http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/ . We need more activities to use it and also improve the implementation. Is there a good example somewhere we can highlight for activity developers? regards. -walter Regards, Tomeu On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 14:39 -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I was planning on fixing sl#1842 [1] but I'm not sure what should be the correct method of alerting users incase a write error does occur. Should I popup a dialog box, or use alerts like the one used in chat, sugar-commander? Suggestions welcome. [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1842, An alert like a chat or Activity sharing invitation would be nice, but one with a more visible signal is needed. I imagine an alert icon that rises out of the Frame, enlarges and glows for a few moments, then settles back to the Frame, but then shows a glowing edge or corona and bumps up slightly every 15 or 30 seconds in case the learner was focused on another Activity at the time the alert was first displayed (or just decided to postpone attention to the alert and then forgot about the pending need for attention). Of course, the icon should be clickable and reveal a useful palette of actions at any point in its lifetime. New alerts with behavior like the above would be welcome for invitations as well as errors. Thanks! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Alerting users in case of write errors (sl#1842)
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 17:46, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 20:56, Martin Abente mabe...@paraguayeduca.org wrote: We really really really ... need a general notification system. :D You may not believe it, but the shell has an implementation of http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/ . We need more activities to use it and also improve the implementation. Is there a good example somewhere we can highlight for activity developers? I added support for it to XOIrc but I'm not sure if I managed to have that patch accepted back then. Regards, Tomeu regards. -walter Regards, Tomeu On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 14:39 -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I was planning on fixing sl#1842 [1] but I'm not sure what should be the correct method of alerting users incase a write error does occur. Should I popup a dialog box, or use alerts like the one used in chat, sugar-commander? Suggestions welcome. [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1842, An alert like a chat or Activity sharing invitation would be nice, but one with a more visible signal is needed. I imagine an alert icon that rises out of the Frame, enlarges and glows for a few moments, then settles back to the Frame, but then shows a glowing edge or corona and bumps up slightly every 15 or 30 seconds in case the learner was focused on another Activity at the time the alert was first displayed (or just decided to postpone attention to the alert and then forgot about the pending need for attention). Of course, the icon should be clickable and reveal a useful palette of actions at any point in its lifetime. New alerts with behavior like the above would be welcome for invitations as well as errors. Thanks! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Alerting users in case of write errors (sl#1842)
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.comwrote: I was planning on fixing sl#1842 [1] but I'm not sure what should be the correct method of alerting users incase a write error does occur. Should I popup a dialog box, or use alerts like the one used in chat, sugar-commander? Suggestions welcome. [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1842, An alert like a chat or Activity sharing invitation would be nice, but one with a more visible signal is needed. I imagine an alert icon that rises out of the Frame, enlarges and glows for a few moments, then settles back to the Frame, but then shows a glowing edge or corona and bumps up slightly every 15 or 30 seconds in case the learner was focused on another Activity at the time the alert was first displayed (or just decided to postpone attention to the alert and then forgot about the pending need for attention). Of course, the icon should be clickable and reveal a useful palette of actions at any point in its lifetime. New alerts with behavior like the above would be welcome for invitations as well as errors. Thanks! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Alerting users in case of write errors (sl#1842)
We really really really ... need a general notification system. :D On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 14:39 -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: I was planning on fixing sl#1842 [1] but I'm not sure what should be the correct method of alerting users incase a write error does occur. Should I popup a dialog box, or use alerts like the one used in chat, sugar-commander? Suggestions welcome. [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1842, An alert like a chat or Activity sharing invitation would be nice, but one with a more visible signal is needed. I imagine an alert icon that rises out of the Frame, enlarges and glows for a few moments, then settles back to the Frame, but then shows a glowing edge or corona and bumps up slightly every 15 or 30 seconds in case the learner was focused on another Activity at the time the alert was first displayed (or just decided to postpone attention to the alert and then forgot about the pending need for attention). Of course, the icon should be clickable and reveal a useful palette of actions at any point in its lifetime. New alerts with behavior like the above would be welcome for invitations as well as errors. Thanks! --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
