Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 05:56:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 01:42:58AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 04:47:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: What about just making ShareButton inactive while changing status? http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-meornu-sensitive.ogvhttp://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu-sensitive.ogv That would work in the successful or quick failure cases, but if there was a failure, and the process was stuck retrying, the static signal would not provide the information about process state. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Controls/Indicators for some other ideas on how to badge the icon with process state information. To be honest I was planing to use alerts to notify about sharing errors with message like Cannot make it Public, fallback to Offline, imho this kind of fails is critical enough to use alserts. I mean, in case of ShareButton, where is a timeout and if something is wrong, error will be raised in any case. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
On 17 Jun 2010, at 06:56, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 01:42:58AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 04:47:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:09:24AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: ... This enlivens the interface, and should only be a compliment to the more standard 'busy' cursor because the gray-scale tone changes of the pulsing can be missed in suboptimal viewing conditions. There are several situations where a busy cursor is needed. Among them are these: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/851 or http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3617 Not trying to argue but for me busy cursor means that the whole application is in suspended (more or less) state, but in case of share button, activity could be used as usual. There is also another reason against setting cursor. ShareButton is only low level widget which is not aware of high level use cases where global setting like changing cursor is unaccessible (or sounds overkill). +1, and also in a touch based UI there is no cursor ;) Yes, those are good reasons not to modify the cursor in the Activity sharing case. For the general case that you suggested, the throbbing icon is a nice feature, but to serve those with low vision or in a difficult viewing environment, a small, high-contrast element or badge (perhaps a small stop sign, or just a small x as a badge on the icon) should be added. Hmmm. A stop sign or small x icon badge icon would be confusing I think, as you can currently neither stop or cancel via the toolbar button. The pulsing provides vastly more status information from where we are right now, which is zero feedback. Adjusting the pulse frequency and pulse contrast range could give some scope for improvement. If we need additional new high-contrast elements for the visually impaired, we should tackle that as a separate design task so as not to block on current progress. I'm sure there are more pressing features we need for that group (global font size controls, screen zoom shortcuts, screen colour reverse, audio feedback, global text to speech, etc). What about just making ShareButton inactive while changing status? http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-meornu-sensitive.ogvhttp://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu-sensitive.ogv That would work in the successful or quick failure cases, but if there was a failure, and the process was stuck retrying, the static signal would not provide the information about process state. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Controls/Indicators for some other ideas on how to badge the icon with process state information. To be honest I was planing to use alerts to notify about sharing errors with message like Cannot make it Public, fallback to Offline, imho this kind of fails is critical enough to use alserts. +1 Regards, --Gary Thanks again!--Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
... For the general case that you suggested, the throbbing icon is a nice feature, but and to serve those with low vision or in a difficult viewing environment, a small, high-contrast element or badge (perhaps a small stop sign, or just a small x as a badge on the icon) should be added. The busy emblem, http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-artwork/repos/mainline/blobs/master/icons/scalable/emblems/emblem-busy.svg, applied to the lower right corner of the icon, is available for this purpose. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
Hi Aleksey, On 17 Jun 2010, at 04:41, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all, While sugarizing GCompris, I've implemented new ShareButton style in polyol[1] (while changing share status it pulsing by setting alpha channel). I think it would be not bad to use the same style for all combobox like tool buttons. [1] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu.ogv Yea, fab that works for me :-) Nice to have some UI feedback for a network process that can take some seconds to complete (or sometimes never complete when something in the stack silently fails). Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.orgwrote: Hi all, While sugarizing GCompris, I've implemented new ShareButton style in polyol[1] (while changing share status it pulsing by setting alpha channel). I think it would be not bad to use the same style for all combobox like tool buttons. [1] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu.ogv This enlivens the interface, and should only be a compliment to the more standard 'busy' cursor because the gray-scale tone changes of the pulsing can be missed in suboptimal viewing conditions. There are several situations where a busy cursor is needed. Among them are these: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/851 or http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3617 Thanks,--Fred http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:09:24AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.orgwrote: Hi all, While sugarizing GCompris, I've implemented new ShareButton style in polyol[1] (while changing share status it pulsing by setting alpha channel). I think it would be not bad to use the same style for all combobox like tool buttons. [1] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu.ogv This enlivens the interface, and should only be a compliment to the more standard 'busy' cursor because the gray-scale tone changes of the pulsing can be missed in suboptimal viewing conditions. There are several situations where a busy cursor is needed. Among them are these: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/851 or http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3617 Not trying to argue but for me busy cursor means that the whole application is in suspended (more or less) state, but in case of share button, activity could be used as usual. There is also another reason against setting cursor. ShareButton is only low level widget which is not aware of high level use cases where global setting like changing cursor is unaccessible (or sounds overkill). What about just making ShareButton inactive while changing status? -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 04:47:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:09:24AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.orgwrote: Hi all, While sugarizing GCompris, I've implemented new ShareButton style in polyol[1] (while changing share status it pulsing by setting alpha channel). I think it would be not bad to use the same style for all combobox like tool buttons. [1] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu.ogv This enlivens the interface, and should only be a compliment to the more standard 'busy' cursor because the gray-scale tone changes of the pulsing can be missed in suboptimal viewing conditions. There are several situations where a busy cursor is needed. Among them are these: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/851 or http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3617 Not trying to argue but for me busy cursor means that the whole application is in suspended (more or less) state, but in case of share button, activity could be used as usual. There is also another reason against setting cursor. ShareButton is only low level widget which is not aware of high level use cases where global setting like changing cursor is unaccessible (or sounds overkill). What about just making ShareButton inactive while changing status? http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu-sensitive.ogv -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 04:47:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:09:24AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: ... This enlivens the interface, and should only be a compliment to the more standard 'busy' cursor because the gray-scale tone changes of the pulsing can be missed in suboptimal viewing conditions. There are several situations where a busy cursor is needed. Among them are these: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/851 or http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3617 Not trying to argue but for me busy cursor means that the whole application is in suspended (more or less) state, but in case of share button, activity could be used as usual. There is also another reason against setting cursor. ShareButton is only low level widget which is not aware of high level use cases where global setting like changing cursor is unaccessible (or sounds overkill). Yes, those are good reasons not to modify the cursor in the Activity sharing case. For the general case that you suggested, the throbbing icon is a nice feature, but to serve those with low vision or in a difficult viewing environment, a small, high-contrast element or badge (perhaps a small stop sign, or just a small x as a badge on the icon) should be added. What about just making ShareButton inactive while changing status? http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-meornu-sensitive.ogvhttp://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu-sensitive.ogv That would work in the successful or quick failure cases, but if there was a failure, and the process was stuck retrying, the static signal would not provide the information about process state. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Controls/Indicators for some other ideas on how to badge the icon with process state information. Thanks again!--Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New share button style
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 01:42:58AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 04:47:30AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:09:24AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: ... This enlivens the interface, and should only be a compliment to the more standard 'busy' cursor because the gray-scale tone changes of the pulsing can be missed in suboptimal viewing conditions. There are several situations where a busy cursor is needed. Among them are these: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/405 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/851 or http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/3617 Not trying to argue but for me busy cursor means that the whole application is in suspended (more or less) state, but in case of share button, activity could be used as usual. There is also another reason against setting cursor. ShareButton is only low level widget which is not aware of high level use cases where global setting like changing cursor is unaccessible (or sounds overkill). Yes, those are good reasons not to modify the cursor in the Activity sharing case. For the general case that you suggested, the throbbing icon is a nice feature, but to serve those with low vision or in a difficult viewing environment, a small, high-contrast element or badge (perhaps a small stop sign, or just a small x as a badge on the icon) should be added. What about just making ShareButton inactive while changing status? http://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-meornu-sensitive.ogvhttp://people.sugarlabs.org/~alsroot/tmp/share-menu-sensitive.ogv That would work in the successful or quick failure cases, but if there was a failure, and the process was stuck retrying, the static signal would not provide the information about process state. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Sugar_Interface/Controls/Indicators for some other ideas on how to badge the icon with process state information. To be honest I was planing to use alerts to notify about sharing errors with message like Cannot make it Public, fallback to Offline, imho this kind of fails is critical enough to use alserts. Thanks again!--Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
