Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore
Putting this function in the journal UI seems more logical to me than stowing it in a control panel. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore
On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 11:39 -0300, Esteban Arias wrote: > Hi, > > In Plan Ceibal (Uruguay) , we developed solution of jorunal > backup/restore on sugar 0.82. We added button "Backup" and button > "Restore" on toolbar of the Journal activitie. If exist pendrive > connected, the system do backup/restore in the extern dispositive. > When the user press the button, the system run script to do > backup/restore. > The script is based of solution of Daniel Drake. The UI looks very nice! We were undecided whether to write a control panel item or add these functions to the journal. Are patches available anywhere? How much work would it be to adapt them to Sugar 0.84 and 0.88? It would be useful to make the git trees of Ceibal developers available for public review somewhere (either git.sugarlabs.org or a local gitweb), as you guys probably have accumulated plenty of other useful things that we might like to have. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore
hi, source on 0.82: https://desarrollo.ceibal.edu.uy/projects/respaldodiario/files we in uruguay could be adapt to 0.84 (to image of paraguay)... 2010/4/6 Bernie Innocenti > On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 11:39 -0300, Esteban Arias wrote: > > Hi, > > > > In Plan Ceibal (Uruguay) , we developed solution of jorunal > > backup/restore on sugar 0.82. We added button "Backup" and button > > "Restore" on toolbar of the Journal activitie. If exist pendrive > > connected, the system do backup/restore in the extern dispositive. > > When the user press the button, the system run script to do > > backup/restore. > > > The script is based of solution of Daniel Drake. > > The UI looks very nice! We were undecided whether to write a control > panel item or add these functions to the journal. > > Are patches available anywhere? How much work would it be to adapt them > to Sugar 0.84 and 0.88? > > It would be useful to make the git trees of Ceibal developers available > for public review somewhere (either git.sugarlabs.org or a local > gitweb), as you guys probably have accumulated plenty of other useful > things that we might like to have. > > -- > // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ > \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 21:16, Esteban Arias wrote: > hi, > > source on 0.82: > https://desarrollo.ceibal.edu.uy/projects/respaldodiario/files couldn't access that URL, anybody else outside LATU can? Regards, Tomeu > we in uruguay could be adapt to 0.84 (to image of paraguay)... > > > 2010/4/6 Bernie Innocenti >> >> On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 11:39 -0300, Esteban Arias wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > In Plan Ceibal (Uruguay) , we developed solution of jorunal >> > backup/restore on sugar 0.82. We added button "Backup" and button >> > "Restore" on toolbar of the Journal activitie. If exist pendrive >> > connected, the system do backup/restore in the extern dispositive. >> > When the user press the button, the system run script to do >> > backup/restore. >> >> > The script is based of solution of Daniel Drake. >> >> The UI looks very nice! We were undecided whether to write a control >> panel item or add these functions to the journal. >> >> Are patches available anywhere? How much work would it be to adapt them >> to Sugar 0.84 and 0.88? >> >> It would be useful to make the git trees of Ceibal developers available >> for public review somewhere (either git.sugarlabs.org or a local >> gitweb), as you guys probably have accumulated plenty of other useful >> things that we might like to have. >> >> -- >> // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ >> \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ >> > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore
2010/4/8 Tomeu Vizoso : > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 21:16, Esteban Arias wrote: >> hi, >> >> source on 0.82: >> https://desarrollo.ceibal.edu.uy/projects/respaldodiario/files > > couldn't access that URL, anybody else outside LATU can? I can, but you need to add an exception for the certificate. (Most of uruguayan certificates have expired and no one bothered to update them, it's sad.) Regards, Gabriel > > Regards, > > Tomeu > >> we in uruguay could be adapt to 0.84 (to image of paraguay)... >> >> >> 2010/4/6 Bernie Innocenti >>> >>> On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 11:39 -0300, Esteban Arias wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > In Plan Ceibal (Uruguay) , we developed solution of jorunal >>> > backup/restore on sugar 0.82. We added button "Backup" and button >>> > "Restore" on toolbar of the Journal activitie. If exist pendrive >>> > connected, the system do backup/restore in the extern dispositive. >>> > When the user press the button, the system run script to do >>> > backup/restore. >>> >>> > The script is based of solution of Daniel Drake. >>> >>> The UI looks very nice! We were undecided whether to write a control >>> panel item or add these functions to the journal. >>> >>> Are patches available anywhere? How much work would it be to adapt them >>> to Sugar 0.84 and 0.88? >>> >>> It would be useful to make the git trees of Ceibal developers available >>> for public review somewhere (either git.sugarlabs.org or a local >>> gitweb), as you guys probably have accumulated plenty of other useful >>> things that we might like to have. >>> >>> -- >>> // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ >>> \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 17:25, Gabriel Eirea wrote: > 2010/4/8 Tomeu Vizoso : >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 21:16, Esteban Arias >> wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> source on 0.82: >>> https://desarrollo.ceibal.edu.uy/projects/respaldodiario/files >> >> couldn't access that URL, anybody else outside LATU can? > > I can, but you need to add an exception for the certificate. > > (Most of uruguayan certificates have expired and no one bothered to > update them, it's sad.) Works now, I had to remove an expired personal certificate I had around. Regards, Tomeu > Regards, > > Gabriel > >> >> Regards, >> >> Tomeu >> >>> we in uruguay could be adapt to 0.84 (to image of paraguay)... >>> >>> >>> 2010/4/6 Bernie Innocenti On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 11:39 -0300, Esteban Arias wrote: > Hi, > > In Plan Ceibal (Uruguay) , we developed solution of jorunal > backup/restore on sugar 0.82. We added button "Backup" and button > "Restore" on toolbar of the Journal activitie. If exist pendrive > connected, the system do backup/restore in the extern dispositive. > When the user press the button, the system run script to do > backup/restore. > The script is based of solution of Daniel Drake. The UI looks very nice! We were undecided whether to write a control panel item or add these functions to the journal. Are patches available anywhere? How much work would it be to adapt them to Sugar 0.84 and 0.88? It would be useful to make the git trees of Ceibal developers available for public review somewhere (either git.sugarlabs.org or a local gitweb), as you guys probably have accumulated plenty of other useful things that we might like to have. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> >>> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore
Another possible design: In the volumes Toolbar of the Journal, when the user press click right on the volume connected, the palette shows also: "Backup Journal" and "Restore Journal" Esteban. 2010/4/8 Tomeu Vizoso > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 17:25, Gabriel Eirea wrote: > > 2010/4/8 Tomeu Vizoso : > >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 21:16, Esteban Arias > wrote: > >>> hi, > >>> > >>> source on 0.82: > >>> https://desarrollo.ceibal.edu.uy/projects/respaldodiario/files > >> > >> couldn't access that URL, anybody else outside LATU can? > > > > I can, but you need to add an exception for the certificate. > > > > (Most of uruguayan certificates have expired and no one bothered to > > update them, it's sad.) > > Works now, I had to remove an expired personal certificate I had around. > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > > Regards, > > > > Gabriel > > > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Tomeu > >> > >>> we in uruguay could be adapt to 0.84 (to image of paraguay)... > >>> > >>> > >>> 2010/4/6 Bernie Innocenti > > On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 11:39 -0300, Esteban Arias wrote: > > Hi, > > > > In Plan Ceibal (Uruguay) , we developed solution of jorunal > > backup/restore on sugar 0.82. We added button "Backup" and button > > "Restore" on toolbar of the Journal activitie. If exist pendrive > > connected, the system do backup/restore in the extern dispositive. > > When the user press the button, the system run script to do > > backup/restore. > > > The script is based of solution of Daniel Drake. > > The UI looks very nice! We were undecided whether to write a control > panel item or add these functions to the journal. > > Are patches available anywhere? How much work would it be to adapt > them > to Sugar 0.84 and 0.88? > > It would be useful to make the git trees of Ceibal developers > available > for public review somewhere (either git.sugarlabs.org or a local > gitweb), as you guys probably have accumulated plenty of other useful > things that we might like to have. > > -- > // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ > \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ > > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Sugar-devel mailing list > >>> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > >> > > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore
I like the idea, but i think it will be very volumes-dependent, maybe we should consider the fact that there are many backups technologies (to/from a flash drive, to/from a xs server, to/from ftp... etc). Therefore, at least the interface should be independent from the technology. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Esteban Arias wrote: > Another possible design: > > In the volumes Toolbar of the Journal, when the user press click right on > the volume connected, the palette shows also: "Backup Journal" and "Restore > Journal" > > Esteban. > > 2010/4/8 Tomeu Vizoso >> >> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 17:25, Gabriel Eirea wrote: >> > 2010/4/8 Tomeu Vizoso : >> >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 21:16, Esteban Arias >> >> wrote: >> >>> hi, >> >>> >> >>> source on 0.82: >> >>> https://desarrollo.ceibal.edu.uy/projects/respaldodiario/files >> >> >> >> couldn't access that URL, anybody else outside LATU can? >> > >> > I can, but you need to add an exception for the certificate. >> > >> > (Most of uruguayan certificates have expired and no one bothered to >> > update them, it's sad.) >> >> Works now, I had to remove an expired personal certificate I had around. >> >> Regards, >> >> Tomeu >> >> > Regards, >> > >> > Gabriel >> > >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Tomeu >> >> >> >>> we in uruguay could be adapt to 0.84 (to image of paraguay)... >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2010/4/6 Bernie Innocenti >> >> On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 11:39 -0300, Esteban Arias wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > In Plan Ceibal (Uruguay) , we developed solution of jorunal >> > backup/restore on sugar 0.82. We added button "Backup" and button >> > "Restore" on toolbar of the Journal activitie. If exist pendrive >> > connected, the system do backup/restore in the extern dispositive. >> > When the user press the button, the system run script to do >> > backup/restore. >> >> > The script is based of solution of Daniel Drake. >> >> The UI looks very nice! We were undecided whether to write a control >> panel item or add these functions to the journal. >> >> Are patches available anywhere? How much work would it be to adapt >> them >> to Sugar 0.84 and 0.88? >> >> It would be useful to make the git trees of Ceibal developers >> available >> for public review somewhere (either git.sugarlabs.org or a local >> gitweb), as you guys probably have accumulated plenty of other useful >> things that we might like to have. >> >> -- >> // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ >> \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ___ >> >>> Sugar-devel mailing list >> >>> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >>> >> >>> >> >> ___ >> >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> >> > > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore
On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 17:04 -0300, Esteban Arias wrote: > Another possible design: > > In the volumes Toolbar of the Journal, when the user press click right > on the volume connected, the palette shows also: "Backup Journal" and > "Restore Journal" +1. I like this idea. To backup/restore on the schoolserver, we could add similar commands to the palette of the Journal icon on the volumes toolbar. It sounds more natural there than in the control panel. Martin (Langhoff, not Abente): the backup UI delegates the actual work to 3 simple shell scripts which were written by Daniel Drake last year. They depend on other files from ds-backup-client, so it would make sense to fold them in there. The glue scripts are here: http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/sugar/journal-backup http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/sugar/journal-backup-list http://people.sugarlabs.org/bernie/sugar/journal-restore Alternatively, we could put these into the sugar-datastore package alongside with the other bits from the ds-backup-client package. This would save us the time to get a new package through the Fedora review process. Since we need a working backup/restore solution by next Monday, I've already included the scripts in a custom ds-backup-client package. If we decide to go for a different solution, I'll make the necessary changes after the release. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore Control Panel
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 06:36:06PM -0300, mabente wrote: > So, what do you guys think? I like it. I presume it won't appear unless a school server is known? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore Control Panel
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 09:21 +1100, James Cameron wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 06:36:06PM -0300, mabente wrote: > > So, what do you guys think? > > I like it. > > I presume it won't appear unless a school server is known? I wonder if this can be done at the control panel level... probably easier to let the icon appear anyway, and then disable the functionality in the window. In the future, we may want to add a backup/restore function for removable storage. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore Control Panel
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 04:30, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 09:21 +1100, James Cameron wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 06:36:06PM -0300, mabente wrote: >> > So, what do you guys think? >> >> I like it. >> >> I presume it won't appear unless a school server is known? > > I wonder if this can be done at the control panel level... probably > easier to let the icon appear anyway, and then disable the functionality > in the window. > > In the future, we may want to add a backup/restore function for > removable storage. Any comments from the design team? Regards, Tomeu > -- > // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ > \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Simple Journal Backup & Restore Control Panel
Hello, I realize it's been a while since this was discussed, but I figured I'd share some thoughts, in no particular order before I archived the thread. • Having a settings module for this seems reasonable. It might be more fitting to just call it "Journal Backup" instead of "Management", since it is exclusively for this function. I could see adding any pertinent versioning settings here as well in the future, even with the more specific name. • It could also be nice to have a "Back up now" option in the Journal palette. I don't think it's necessary to expose the restore action in the palette, though. • The icon looks reasonable, though using the "fullscreen" icon in this context is somewhat confusing. It might be better to use the keep icon, with bidirectional arrows, to maintain the visual language there. • The large clickable buttons are nice. I think in this instance it would be even better to have nice large up and down arrows to further emphasize the actions. The ones that were made for the 3G device traffic could work in this context, too. • I think this might work better as a two column layout, with backup on the left and restore on the right, with accompanying text and information. As it stands, the description is a bit far removed from the actual buttons, making it look more like the buttons are one unit and the descriptions are a second unit, instead od relating the description to the button. • I would change the label to "Back up now" instead of "Backup." Two notes on that: first, it's a pet peeve, but "back up" should be two words when used as a verb (a "backup" is a noun), and buttons should always read as actions; second, I think emphasizing the "do it now" nature of the button is useful here, especially since backups should be made automatically, periodically. In fact, changing the description to convey this would also be useful. • It would also be great to have an indication of the last time a backup was made, to know whether or not it's worth invoking another. I would add a "Last backup:" label with a relative date (eg. "3 hours ago") to the backup column. • The restore column would do well to convey the results of the action. Specifically, that it will restore the Journal to a previous state, which could result in data loss. • It's not clear from the image what happens when either of these actions are invoked. I'd recommend immediately disabling the "other column" (eg. disable the restore button when a backup is initiated), and replacing the button clicked with an inline progress bar (determinate, if at all possible; perhaps indeterminate during initialization) so there's adequate feedback. • If there is any way to detect when a Journal has been corrupted/wiped, it would be great to have the empty Journal screen be replaced by a prompt to recover from backup, if one is known to exist. This would make it much easier for kids to recover the Journal as it was in such circumstances. Eben PS. I think its useful to consider the UI for Apple's Time Machine here, since it has a number of similarities. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 04:30, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 09:21 +1100, James Cameron wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 06:36:06PM -0300, mabente wrote: >>> > So, what do you guys think? >>> >>> I like it. >>> >>> I presume it won't appear unless a school server is known? >> >> I wonder if this can be done at the control panel level... probably >> easier to let the icon appear anyway, and then disable the functionality >> in the window. >> >> In the future, we may want to add a backup/restore function for >> removable storage. > > Any comments from the design team? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > >> -- >> // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ >> \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ >> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
