Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
Sounds great! Maybe you can do a video showing it off? Is there an activity guide for Calculate? How can teachers best understand the power and possibilities of this amazing tool? On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Reinier Heeres wrote: > Hi, > > I made a new release of Calculate. The most interesting part is that > there is now support for matplotlib (mpl) as a plotting backend, > giving much nicer results! This is not a required dependency; if mpl > is not present Calculate will fall back on it's own built-in > not-so-nice plotting routines. Give it a try: > "plot(sinc(x),x=-4*pi..4*pi)"! > > On an XO you will need to update the bundle and do a "yum install > python-matplotlib.i386". > > == Source == > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Calculate/Calculate-30.tar.bz2 > > == Bundle == > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Calculate/Calculate-30.xo > > (should also be available soon on a.sl.o) > > == Fixed tickets == > * Add support for matplotlib as plotting backend > * Add support for complex plot ranges, e.g. -2*pi..2*pi > * Fix superscript display bug > > Regards, > > -- > Reinier Heeres > Bleijenburg 64 > 2511 VD Den Haag > The Netherlands > > Tel: +31 6 10852639 > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19:45AM +0200, Reinier Heeres wrote: > Hi, > > I made a new release of Calculate. The most interesting part is that > there is now support for matplotlib (mpl) as a plotting backend, > giving much nicer results! This is not a required dependency; if mpl > is not present Calculate will fall back on it's own built-in > not-so-nice plotting routines. Give it a try: > "plot(sinc(x),x=-4*pi..4*pi)"! I guess we should include matplotlib to SugarPlatform-0.84 (seems it doesn't brake distro releases schedules) -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:38, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19:45AM +0200, Reinier Heeres wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I made a new release of Calculate. The most interesting part is that >> there is now support for matplotlib (mpl) as a plotting backend, >> giving much nicer results! This is not a required dependency; if mpl >> is not present Calculate will fall back on it's own built-in >> not-so-nice plotting routines. Give it a try: >> "plot(sinc(x),x=-4*pi..4*pi)"! > > I guess we should include matplotlib to SugarPlatform-0.84 > (seems it doesn't brake distro releases schedules) Any idea how big is this added dependency and its own dependencies? Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:57:52AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:38, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19:45AM +0200, Reinier Heeres wrote: > > I guess we should include matplotlib to SugarPlatform-0.84 > > (seems it doesn't brake distro releases schedules) > > Any idea how big is this added dependency and its own dependencies? rpmdepsize on F10 shows me 14MB for python-matplotlib, and the size of the major dependencies (including *their dependencies*) are approx: numpy ~50 MB coreutils ~190 MB gtk2 ~25 MB python ~25 MB > Thanks, > Tomeu Martin pgplJZUwsh2u1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:57:52AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:38, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19:45AM +0200, Reinier Heeres wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I made a new release of Calculate. The most interesting part is that > >> there is now support for matplotlib (mpl) as a plotting backend, > >> giving much nicer results! This is not a required dependency; if mpl > >> is not present Calculate will fall back on it's own built-in > >> not-so-nice plotting routines. Give it a try: > >> "plot(sinc(x),x=-4*pi..4*pi)"! > > > > I guess we should include matplotlib to SugarPlatform-0.84 > > (seems it doesn't brake distro releases schedules) > > Any idea how big is this added dependency and its own dependencies? Oops.. I thought about pure python(+pygtk) library and Gentoo confirmed it(it doesn't install redundant features) but matplotlib has several gui backends - for gtk qt3 qt4 tk wxwindows. And at least on Mandriva it requires wxPythonGTK(+82M) - sounds like overmuch for SugarPlatform :( -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
Hi, Are those things not mostly already present? Even on my XO with 767 (F9), installing matplotlib 0.91.4-1.fc9 only drags in python-dateutil and pytz for a total download of 4.7MB. From a quick inspection I can't find any new dependencies (except for dejavu-sans-fonts (F11) or dejavu-fonts (F10)). Also, perhaps many of those things would be interesting to ship anyway (like numpy). I don't have a running SoaS, but I think it would be useful to see how many new things are actually pulled in by installing this. Could anybody do this? Regards, Reinier On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:57:52AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:38, Aleksey Lim wrote: >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19:45AM +0200, Reinier Heeres wrote: >> > I guess we should include matplotlib to SugarPlatform-0.84 >> > (seems it doesn't brake distro releases schedules) >> >> Any idea how big is this added dependency and its own dependencies? > > rpmdepsize on F10 shows me 14MB for python-matplotlib, and the size of > the major dependencies (including *their dependencies*) are approx: > > numpy ~50 MB > coreutils ~190 MB > gtk2 ~25 MB > python ~25 MB > >> Thanks, >> Tomeu > > Martin -- Reinier Heeres Bleijenburg 64 2511 VD Den Haag The Netherlands Tel: +31 6 10852639 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:47, Reinier Heeres wrote: > Hi, > > Are those things not mostly already present? Even on my XO with 767 > (F9), installing matplotlib 0.91.4-1.fc9 only drags in python-dateutil > and pytz for a total download of 4.7MB. From a quick inspection I > can't find any new dependencies (except for dejavu-sans-fonts (F11) or > dejavu-fonts (F10)). Also, perhaps many of those things would be > interesting to ship anyway (like numpy). FWIW: I think numpy is already in (replaced numeric if I remember). > I don't have a running SoaS, but I think it would be useful to see how > many new things are actually pulled in by installing this. Could > anybody do this? Just yum installed python-matplotlib on Soas-beta: python-matplotlib 4Mb dejavu-fonts-common 61k dejavu-sans-fonts 2.4Mb fontpackages-filesystem 6.2k python-dateutil 249k pytz 37k Total 6.8M Not too painful I think. Regards, --Gary > Regards, > Reinier > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Martin Dengler > wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:57:52AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:38, Aleksey Lim >>> wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19:45AM +0200, Reinier Heeres wrote: I guess we should include matplotlib to SugarPlatform-0.84 (seems it doesn't brake distro releases schedules) >>> >>> Any idea how big is this added dependency and its own dependencies? >> >> rpmdepsize on F10 shows me 14MB for python-matplotlib, and the size >> of >> the major dependencies (including *their dependencies*) are approx: >> >> numpy ~50 MB >> coreutils ~190 MB >> gtk2 ~25 MB >> python ~25 MB >> >>> Thanks, >>> Tomeu >> >> Martin > > -- > Reinier Heeres > Bleijenburg 64 > 2511 VD Den Haag > The Netherlands > > Tel: +31 6 10852639 > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 00:32, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:47, Reinier Heeres wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Are those things not mostly already present? Even on my XO with 767 >> (F9), installing matplotlib 0.91.4-1.fc9 only drags in python-dateutil >> and pytz for a total download of 4.7MB. From a quick inspection I >> can't find any new dependencies (except for dejavu-sans-fonts (F11) or >> dejavu-fonts (F10)). Also, perhaps many of those things would be >> interesting to ship anyway (like numpy). > > FWIW: I think numpy is already in (replaced numeric if I remember). > >> I don't have a running SoaS, but I think it would be useful to see how >> many new things are actually pulled in by installing this. Could >> anybody do this? > > Just yum installed python-matplotlib on Soas-beta: > > python-matplotlib 4Mb > dejavu-fonts-common 61k > dejavu-sans-fonts 2.4Mb > fontpackages-filesystem 6.2k > python-dateutil 249k > pytz 37k > > Total 6.8M > > Not too painful I think. Yeah, and python-matplotlib has great educational value so I guess makes a lot of sense to add to the Sugar platform. Aleksey, what do you think? Regards, Tomeu > Regards, > --Gary > >> Regards, >> Reinier >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Martin Dengler >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:57:52AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:38, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19:45AM +0200, Reinier Heeres wrote: > I guess we should include matplotlib to SugarPlatform-0.84 > (seems it doesn't brake distro releases schedules) Any idea how big is this added dependency and its own dependencies? >>> >>> rpmdepsize on F10 shows me 14MB for python-matplotlib, and the size >>> of >>> the major dependencies (including *their dependencies*) are approx: >>> >>> numpy ~50 MB >>> coreutils ~190 MB >>> gtk2 ~25 MB >>> python ~25 MB >>> Thanks, Tomeu >>> >>> Martin >> >> -- >> Reinier Heeres >> Bleijenburg 64 >> 2511 VD Den Haag >> The Netherlands >> >> Tel: +31 6 10852639 >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:09:04AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 00:32, Gary C Martin wrote: > > On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:47, Reinier Heeres wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Are those things not mostly already present? Even on my XO with 767 > >> (F9), installing matplotlib 0.91.4-1.fc9 only drags in python-dateutil > >> and pytz for a total download of 4.7MB. From a quick inspection I > >> can't find any new dependencies (except for dejavu-sans-fonts (F11) or > >> dejavu-fonts (F10)). Also, perhaps many of those things would be > >> interesting to ship anyway (like numpy). > > > > FWIW: I think numpy is already in (replaced numeric if I remember). > > > >> I don't have a running SoaS, but I think it would be useful to see how > >> many new things are actually pulled in by installing this. Could > >> anybody do this? > > > > Just yum installed python-matplotlib on Soas-beta: > > > > python-matplotlib 4Mb > > dejavu-fonts-common 61k > > dejavu-sans-fonts 2.4Mb > > fontpackages-filesystem 6.2k > > python-dateutil 249k > > pytz 37k > > > > Total 6.8M > > > > Not too painful I think. > > Yeah, and python-matplotlib has great educational value so I guess > makes a lot of sense to add to the Sugar platform. Aleksey, what do > you think? Agree about python-matplotlib but it has several gui backends and distributions are free to link python-matplotlib to some/most/all of them. I think its not a good idea to link SugarPlatform to qt/wx/tk. Anyway distros are free to add it to SP package - for example SoaS (moreover it seems that matplotlib package from fedora requires only gtk backend) -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:32, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:09:04AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 00:32, Gary C Martin wrote: >> > On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:47, Reinier Heeres wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Are those things not mostly already present? Even on my XO with 767 >> >> (F9), installing matplotlib 0.91.4-1.fc9 only drags in python-dateutil >> >> and pytz for a total download of 4.7MB. From a quick inspection I >> >> can't find any new dependencies (except for dejavu-sans-fonts (F11) or >> >> dejavu-fonts (F10)). Also, perhaps many of those things would be >> >> interesting to ship anyway (like numpy). >> > >> > FWIW: I think numpy is already in (replaced numeric if I remember). >> > >> >> I don't have a running SoaS, but I think it would be useful to see how >> >> many new things are actually pulled in by installing this. Could >> >> anybody do this? >> > >> > Just yum installed python-matplotlib on Soas-beta: >> > >> > python-matplotlib 4Mb >> > dejavu-fonts-common 61k >> > dejavu-sans-fonts 2.4Mb >> > fontpackages-filesystem 6.2k >> > python-dateutil 249k >> > pytz 37k >> > >> > Total 6.8M >> > >> > Not too painful I think. >> >> Yeah, and python-matplotlib has great educational value so I guess >> makes a lot of sense to add to the Sugar platform. Aleksey, what do >> you think? > > Agree about python-matplotlib but it has several gui backends > and distributions are free to link python-matplotlib to some/most/all of > them. I think its not a good idea to link SugarPlatform to qt/wx/tk. > > Anyway distros are free to add it to SP package - for example > SoaS (moreover it seems that matplotlib package from fedora requires only > gtk backend) True, maybe we should enter tickets for the distros that bundle all backends together? Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 13:32, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:43:05PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:32, Aleksey Lim wrote: >> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:09:04AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 00:32, Gary C Martin wrote: >> >> > On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:47, Reinier Heeres wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> Are those things not mostly already present? Even on my XO with 767 >> >> >> (F9), installing matplotlib 0.91.4-1.fc9 only drags in python-dateutil >> >> >> and pytz for a total download of 4.7MB. From a quick inspection I >> >> >> can't find any new dependencies (except for dejavu-sans-fonts (F11) or >> >> >> dejavu-fonts (F10)). Also, perhaps many of those things would be >> >> >> interesting to ship anyway (like numpy). >> >> > >> >> > FWIW: I think numpy is already in (replaced numeric if I remember). >> >> > >> >> >> I don't have a running SoaS, but I think it would be useful to see how >> >> >> many new things are actually pulled in by installing this. Could >> >> >> anybody do this? >> >> > >> >> > Just yum installed python-matplotlib on Soas-beta: >> >> > >> >> > python-matplotlib 4Mb >> >> > dejavu-fonts-common 61k >> >> > dejavu-sans-fonts 2.4Mb >> >> > fontpackages-filesystem 6.2k >> >> > python-dateutil 249k >> >> > pytz 37k >> >> > >> >> > Total 6.8M >> >> > >> >> > Not too painful I think. >> >> >> >> Yeah, and python-matplotlib has great educational value so I guess >> >> makes a lot of sense to add to the Sugar platform. Aleksey, what do >> >> you think? >> > >> > Agree about python-matplotlib but it has several gui backends >> > and distributions are free to link python-matplotlib to some/most/all of >> > them. I think its not a good idea to link SugarPlatform to qt/wx/tk. >> > >> > Anyway distros are free to add it to SP package - for example >> > SoaS (moreover it seems that matplotlib package from fedora requires only >> > gtk backend) >> >> True, maybe we should enter tickets for the distros that bundle all >> backends together? > > I've creted a bug for Mandriva > but I guess its a bit late for SP-0.84 Yeah, I guess it can get into SP-0.86 and just make sure for now that Soas and other distros where we have more control have matplotlib in. Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:43:05PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:32, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:09:04AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 00:32, Gary C Martin wrote: > >> > On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:47, Reinier Heeres wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi, > >> >> > >> >> Are those things not mostly already present? Even on my XO with 767 > >> >> (F9), installing matplotlib 0.91.4-1.fc9 only drags in python-dateutil > >> >> and pytz for a total download of 4.7MB. From a quick inspection I > >> >> can't find any new dependencies (except for dejavu-sans-fonts (F11) or > >> >> dejavu-fonts (F10)). Also, perhaps many of those things would be > >> >> interesting to ship anyway (like numpy). > >> > > >> > FWIW: I think numpy is already in (replaced numeric if I remember). > >> > > >> >> I don't have a running SoaS, but I think it would be useful to see how > >> >> many new things are actually pulled in by installing this. Could > >> >> anybody do this? > >> > > >> > Just yum installed python-matplotlib on Soas-beta: > >> > > >> > python-matplotlib 4Mb > >> > dejavu-fonts-common 61k > >> > dejavu-sans-fonts 2.4Mb > >> > fontpackages-filesystem 6.2k > >> > python-dateutil 249k > >> > pytz 37k > >> > > >> > Total 6.8M > >> > > >> > Not too painful I think. > >> > >> Yeah, and python-matplotlib has great educational value so I guess > >> makes a lot of sense to add to the Sugar platform. Aleksey, what do > >> you think? > > > > Agree about python-matplotlib but it has several gui backends > > and distributions are free to link python-matplotlib to some/most/all of > > them. I think its not a good idea to link SugarPlatform to qt/wx/tk. > > > > Anyway distros are free to add it to SP package - for example > > SoaS (moreover it seems that matplotlib package from fedora requires only > > gtk backend) > > True, maybe we should enter tickets for the distros that bundle all > backends together? I've creted a bug for Mandriva but I guess its a bit late for SP-0.84 -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
