Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 08:02:40AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > Hi all, > > This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another > meaning that it has before. > > The main idea I see for this new/old team is: > > Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most > convenient way. > > The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for > major GNU/Linux distribution but also: > > * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts > * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged > * support distros that don't have packaged sugar > * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments > * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they packaged > and make custom build otherwise) > * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of > sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar * take care of Bazaar (as developers/doers backend) and ASLO (as users frontend) for activities > BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > > -- > Aleksey -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > Hi all, > > This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another > meaning that it has before. > > The main idea I see for this new/old team is: > >Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most >convenient way. > > The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for > major GNU/Linux distribution but also: > > * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts > * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged > * support distros that don't have packaged sugar > * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments > * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they packaged > and make custom build otherwise) > * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of > sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar > > BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > Account Services team is the preferred trade name for small size teams engaged in support work (answering questions, or communicating with the development team, maintaining builds and their timely releases). Some companies use "Internal System Architect" nomenclature too. When team sizes grew bigger, this work comes under the umbrella of Members of Technical Staff. Regards, Manu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 03:45:58PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another > > meaning that it has before. > > > > The main idea I see for this new/old team is: > > > >Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most > >convenient way. > > > > The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for > > major GNU/Linux distribution but also: > > > > * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts > > * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged > > * support distros that don't have packaged sugar > > * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments > > * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they packaged > > and make custom build otherwise) > > * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of > > sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar > > > > BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > > > > > Account Services team is the preferred trade name for small size teams > engaged in support work (answering questions, or communicating with the > development team, maintaining builds and their timely releases). Some > companies use "Internal System Architect" nomenclature too. When team sizes > grew bigger, this work comes under the umbrella of Members of Technical > Staff. Well, I personally prefer something less official/corporate, e.g., Bazaar Team :) > > Regards, > > Manu -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 03:45:58PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Aleksey Lim > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another > > > meaning that it has before. > > > > > > The main idea I see for this new/old team is: > > > > > >Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most > > >convenient way. > > > > > > The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for > > > major GNU/Linux distribution but also: > > > > > > * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts > > > * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged > > > * support distros that don't have packaged sugar > > > * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments > > > * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they packaged > > > and make custom build otherwise) > > > * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of > > > sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar > > > > > > BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > > > > > > > > > Account Services team is the preferred trade name for small size teams > > engaged in support work (answering questions, or communicating with the > > development team, maintaining builds and their timely releases). Some > > companies use "Internal System Architect" nomenclature too. When team > sizes > > grew bigger, this work comes under the umbrella of Members of Technical > > Staff. > > Well, I personally prefer something less official/corporate, e.g., Bazaar > Team :) > Bazaar in Hindi refers to market. Suspect that many people would confuse it with the marketing team :-) > > > > > Regards, > > > > Manu > > -- > Aleksey > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:31:49PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 03:45:58PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Aleksey Lim > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another > > > > meaning that it has before. > > > > > > > > The main idea I see for this new/old team is: > > > > > > > >Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most > > > >convenient way. > > > > > > > > The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for > > > > major GNU/Linux distribution but also: > > > > > > > > * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts > > > > * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged > > > > * support distros that don't have packaged sugar > > > > * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments > > > > * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they packaged > > > > and make custom build otherwise) > > > > * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of > > > > sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar > > > > > > > > BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Account Services team is the preferred trade name for small size teams > > > engaged in support work (answering questions, or communicating with the > > > development team, maintaining builds and their timely releases). Some > > > companies use "Internal System Architect" nomenclature too. When team > > sizes > > > grew bigger, this work comes under the umbrella of Members of Technical > > > Staff. > > > > Well, I personally prefer something less official/corporate, e.g., Bazaar > > Team :) > > > > > Bazaar in Hindi refers to market. Suspect that many people would confuse it > with the marketing team :-) Though "Bazaar" is referring more to "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" in FOSS world (afaik) rather to marketing (which sounds, in some meaning, quite opposite thing :). What about "Sweet Team" then, i.e., "sweet" is an id of packages on bazaar.sl.o and "sweets" is the main command-line tool. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:26:49AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:31:49PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 03:45:58PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Aleksey Lim > > wrote: > > > BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > > > > > > > > > Account Services team is the preferred trade name for small size > > teams engaged in support work (answering questions, or > > communicating with the development team, maintaining builds and > > their timely releases). Some companies use "Internal System > > Architect" nomenclature too. When team sizes grew bigger, this > > work comes under the umbrella of Members of Technical Staff. > > Well, I personally prefer something less official/corporate, e.g., > Bazaar Team :) > Bazaar in Hindi refers to market. Suspect that many people would confuse it with the marketing team :-) Though "Bazaar" is referring more to "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" in FOSS world (afaik) rather to marketing (which sounds, in some meaning, quite opposite thing :). Not opposite, IMO: "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" was written by Eric Raymond, who, I believe, is also a strong proponent of the term "Open Source" as opposed to "Free Software". In other words, the term was coined by a liberal (not a Freedom fighter), and the text is very much about business models and marketing as I recall. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:26:49AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:31:49PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 03:45:58PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Aleksey Lim > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another > > > > > meaning that it has before. > > > > > > > > > > The main idea I see for this new/old team is: > > > > > > > > > >Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most > > > > >convenient way. > > > > > > > > > > The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for > > > > > major GNU/Linux distribution but also: > > > > > > > > > > * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts > > > > > * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged > > > > > * support distros that don't have packaged sugar > > > > > * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments > > > > > * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they > > > > > packaged > > > > > and make custom build otherwise) > > > > > * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of > > > > > sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar > > > > > > > > > > BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Account Services team is the preferred trade name for small size teams > > > > engaged in support work (answering questions, or communicating with the > > > > development team, maintaining builds and their timely releases). Some > > > > companies use "Internal System Architect" nomenclature too. When team > > > sizes > > > > grew bigger, this work comes under the umbrella of Members of Technical > > > > Staff. > > > > > > Well, I personally prefer something less official/corporate, e.g., Bazaar > > > Team :) > > > > > > > > > Bazaar in Hindi refers to market. Suspect that many people would confuse it > > with the marketing team :-) > > Though "Bazaar" is referring more to "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" in > FOSS world (afaik) rather to marketing (which sounds, in some meaning, quite > opposite thing :). > > What about "Sweet Team" then, i.e., "sweet" is an id of packages on > bazaar.sl.o and "sweets" is the main command-line tool. Of course it might be something neutral like "Distribution Team". -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On 21.10.2010, at 04:59, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:26:49AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:31:49PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 03:45:58PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another >> meaning that it has before. >> >> The main idea I see for this new/old team is: >> >> Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most >> convenient way. >> >> The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for >> major GNU/Linux distribution but also: >> >> * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts >> * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged >> * support distros that don't have packaged sugar >> * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments >> * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they packaged >> and make custom build otherwise) >> * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of >> sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar >> >> BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? >> > > > Account Services team is the preferred trade name for small size teams > engaged in support work (answering questions, or communicating with the > development team, maintaining builds and their timely releases). Some > companies use "Internal System Architect" nomenclature too. When team sizes > grew bigger, this work comes under the umbrella of Members of Technical > Staff. Well, I personally prefer something less official/corporate, e.g., Bazaar Team :) >>> >>> >>> Bazaar in Hindi refers to market. Suspect that many people would confuse it >>> with the marketing team :-) >> >> Though "Bazaar" is referring more to "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" in >> FOSS world (afaik) rather to marketing (which sounds, in some meaning, quite >> opposite thing :). >> >> What about "Sweet Team" then, i.e., "sweet" is an id of packages on >> bazaar.sl.o and "sweets" is the main command-line tool. > > Of course it might be something neutral like "Distribution Team". Working with distro packagers is really important. Getting Sugar to work on distros that do not have current Sugar packages is important, too. And running Sugar in emulation on Macs and Windows machines should also be part of the "Let people start sugar in any environment" mission. Possibly "platform team" would be more appropriate? - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:28:18PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 21.10.2010, at 04:59, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:26:49AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:31:49PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Aleksey Lim > >>> wrote: > >>> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 03:45:58PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Aleksey Lim > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another > >> meaning that it has before. > >> > >> The main idea I see for this new/old team is: > >> > >> Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most > >> convenient way. > >> > >> The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for > >> major GNU/Linux distribution but also: > >> > >> * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts > >> * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged > >> * support distros that don't have packaged sugar > >> * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments > >> * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they packaged > >> and make custom build otherwise) > >> * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of > >> sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar > >> > >> BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > >> > > > > > > Account Services team is the preferred trade name for small size teams > > engaged in support work (answering questions, or communicating with the > > development team, maintaining builds and their timely releases). Some > > companies use "Internal System Architect" nomenclature too. When team > sizes > > grew bigger, this work comes under the umbrella of Members of Technical > > Staff. > > Well, I personally prefer something less official/corporate, e.g., Bazaar > Team :) > > >>> > >>> > >>> Bazaar in Hindi refers to market. Suspect that many people would confuse > >>> it > >>> with the marketing team :-) > >> > >> Though "Bazaar" is referring more to "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" in > >> FOSS world (afaik) rather to marketing (which sounds, in some meaning, > >> quite > >> opposite thing :). > >> > >> What about "Sweet Team" then, i.e., "sweet" is an id of packages on > >> bazaar.sl.o and "sweets" is the main command-line tool. > > > > Of course it might be something neutral like "Distribution Team". > > Working with distro packagers is really important. Getting Sugar to work on > distros that do not have current Sugar packages is important, too. And > running Sugar in emulation on Macs and Windows machines should also be part > of the "Let people start sugar in any environment" mission. Possibly > "platform team" would be more appropriate? +1 for all options I guess we don't have many options for naming and "Platform Team" sounds best of all. For example, there is Sugar Platform (and Platform project on Bazaar for the same purpose) that should be an area of responsibility for the new team. I'll start to copy&paste Platform Team (keeping in mind original purpose I stated in initial email) related resources on wiki to Platform_Team/ sub region on wiki.sl.o. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 04:24:14PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:28:18PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > > > On 21.10.2010, at 04:59, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:26:49AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > > >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:31:49PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > > >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Aleksey Lim > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 03:45:58PM +0530, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Aleksey Lim > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another > > >> meaning that it has before. > > >> > > >> The main idea I see for this new/old team is: > > >> > > >> Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most > > >> convenient way. > > >> > > >> The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for > > >> major GNU/Linux distribution but also: > > >> > > >> * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts > > >> * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged > > >> * support distros that don't have packaged sugar > > >> * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments > > >> * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they > > >> packaged > > >> and make custom build otherwise) > > >> * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of > > >> sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar > > >> > > >> BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > > >> > > > > > > > > > Account Services team is the preferred trade name for small size teams > > > engaged in support work (answering questions, or communicating with > > > the > > > development team, maintaining builds and their timely releases). Some > > > companies use "Internal System Architect" nomenclature too. When team > > sizes > > > grew bigger, this work comes under the umbrella of Members of > > > Technical > > > Staff. > > > > Well, I personally prefer something less official/corporate, e.g., > > Bazaar > > Team :) > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Bazaar in Hindi refers to market. Suspect that many people would > > >>> confuse it > > >>> with the marketing team :-) > > >> > > >> Though "Bazaar" is referring more to "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" in > > >> FOSS world (afaik) rather to marketing (which sounds, in some meaning, > > >> quite > > >> opposite thing :). > > >> > > >> What about "Sweet Team" then, i.e., "sweet" is an id of packages on > > >> bazaar.sl.o and "sweets" is the main command-line tool. > > > > > > Of course it might be something neutral like "Distribution Team". > > > > Working with distro packagers is really important. Getting Sugar to work on > > distros that do not have current Sugar packages is important, too. And > > running Sugar in emulation on Macs and Windows machines should also be part > > of the "Let people start sugar in any environment" mission. Possibly > > "platform team" would be more appropriate? > > +1 for all options > > I guess we don't have many options for naming and "Platform Team" sounds > best of all. For example, there is Sugar Platform (and Platform project > on Bazaar for the same purpose) that should be an area of responsibility > for the new team. > > I'll start to copy&paste Platform Team (keeping in mind original purpose > I stated in initial email) related resources on wiki to Platform_Team/ > sub region on wiki.sl.o. Hmm.. "Platform" inclines (what I like) to thinking exactly about Sugar Platform i.e., native platform, running sugar in non-GNU/Linux environments (if I got it right) is all about working in VM, thus using the same Sugar Platform on GNU/Linux. -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Re-initiate Packaging Team
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 08:02:40AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: > Hi all, > > This a request to relaunch Packaging Team by giving it a bit another > meaning that it has before. > The main idea I see for this new/old team is: > > Let people start sugar in any environment they have in most > convenient way. I've initiated http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Platform_Team with this statement (which is different by meaning w/ previous one): The mission of Platform Team is providing, as unified as possible, runtime and development time environments for all sugar doers. In contrast with Development and Activity teams, Platform Team mission is not about development process itself but about supporting developers by providing the same set of possible dependencies and giving a common distribution method. Platform Team will work closely with GNU/Linux distributions that provide sugar and will try to round all differences between them to make sugar doers' life easier. > The team will cover not only questions how sugar is packaged for > major GNU/Linux distribution but also: > > * having Bazaar as a central place of all (out of distro) efforts > * building packages that are not(yet/well) packaged > * support distros that don't have packaged sugar > * run daily snapshot of sugar in as many as possible environments > * take care of Sugar Platform dependencies (how many, are they packaged > and make custom build otherwise) > * support meta sugar distribution ie just a bunch of repositories of > sugar packages that can be attached to existed system to run sugar > > BTW, maybe "Packaging" is not appropriate name, any ideas? > > -- > Aleksey > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
