Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? Do the two SOAS share a network? Did previous SOAS work okay? Is there a ticket number? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
I tested the 2 SOAS-22 via a connection to the schoolserver AP. Collaboration works normally between XOs-1 running 13.2.4. In Adhoc network connection I could not see the other person in neighbourhood view. I think collaboration work on SOAS-17 and below as I alway try to see if the SOAS would work with XOs by testing maze, write, etc. >-Original Message- >From: tkk...@nurturingasia.com [mailto:tkk...@nurturingasia.com] >Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 09:32 AM >To: pbrobin...@gmail.com, sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >Subject: SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities > >With SOAS Fedora 22 coming to the stage of final release I would like to know >if we can expect the collaboative features of Sugar to be functioning. > >I tried Memorize, Maze and Write with two SOAS and it did not work. Have >reported this issue before. > >Cheers > > >--- >T.K. Kang > > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On 5/20/2015 6:52 PM, James Cameron wrote: Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? Do the two SOAS share a network? Did previous SOAS work okay? Is there a ticket number? I like the way you fixed the OLPC sugar Ubuntu! collaboration in sugar 0.104 on jabber.sugarlabs.org [1] The fedora 22 RC-2 collaboration fails [2] Shared activities and collaboration has failed since about 0.98 in fedora [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/olpc-ubuntu-sugar-14.04.2-desktop-amd64-1432093697.iso [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Final_RC2_Desktop#Release-blocking_desktops:_x86_.2F_x86_64 Tom Gilliard satellit ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 03:10:17AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > I tested the 2 SOAS-22 via a connection to the schoolserver AP. Is this registered to the schoolserver? Or only connected to the AP? > In Adhoc network connection I could not see the other person in > neighbourhood view. Did you see the person in neighbourhood view while using the AP? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On 5/20/2015 8:10 PM, Thomas Gilliard wrote: On 5/20/2015 6:52 PM, James Cameron wrote: Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? Do the two SOAS share a network? Did previous SOAS work okay? Is there a ticket number? I like the way you fixed the OLPC sugar Ubuntu! collaboration in sugar 0.104 on jabber.sugarlabs.org [1] The fedora 22 RC-2 collaboration fails [2] Shared activities and collaboration has failed since about 0.98 in fedora [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/olpc-ubuntu-sugar-14.04.2-desktop-amd64-1432093697.iso [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Final_RC2_Desktop#Release-blocking_desktops:_x86_.2F_x86_64 Tom Gilliard satellit https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3629 maybe there are a lot of tickets ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>Is this registered to the schoolserver? Or only connected to the AP? Only connected to the Schoolserver via the AP without registration. >Did you see the person in neighbourhood view while using the AP? Yes they showed up together with any other activities shared by the XO. Could join by the activities but not collaborate - for the memorize the game do not load, for write it does not shared what is typed. Cheers ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 08:10:38PM -0700, Thomas Gilliard wrote: > On 5/20/2015 6:52 PM, James Cameron wrote: > >Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or > >with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? > > > >Do the two SOAS share a network? > > > >Did previous SOAS work okay? > > > >Is there a ticket number? > > https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3629 maybe there are a lot of tickets Yeah, that one doesn't match. What I'm after are detailed problem descriptions; not a "it doesn't work, why don't you test it to prove me wrong", but rather what was tried, what the result was, and what the expectation was. One problem description for each of the three connection methods; with Jabber, without Jabber but with access point, and with ad-hoc. > I like the way you fixed the OLPC sugar Ubuntu! collaboration in > sugar 0.104 on jabber.sugarlabs.org Thanks, but we're talking about SOAS in this thread. > The fedora 22 RC-2 collaboration fails > Shared activities and collaboration has failed since about 0.98 in > fedora Thanks. (This is worrying. Collaboration is so fundamental and yet it has stayed broken for so long?) I don't think this relates to 0.98, because 0.98 works fine on other Fedora systems such as XO laptops. But that gives us a date range. Thomas, check your notes; did it work with a Fedora 18 SOAS? -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 03:26:41AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > >Is this registered to the schoolserver? Or only connected to the AP? > > Only connected to the Schoolserver via the AP without registration. Okay, and please bear with me; I don't have the data quota to download SOAS images; but is the Server entry box in the Collaboration section of the Network panel of the My Settings set or is it blank? > >Did you see the person in neighbourhood view while using the AP? > > Yes they showed up together with any other activities shared by the > XO. Could join by the activities but not collaborate - for the > memorize the game do not load, for write it does not shared what is > typed. Okay, that's interesting. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>Okay, and please bear with me; I don't have the data quota to download >SOAS images; but is the Server entry box in the Collaboration section >of the Network panel of the My Settings set or is it blank? It has the jabber.sugalabs.org and I have blank it out first for my testing. I registered the two SOAS-22 with the schoolserver. Both shows in the neighbourhood BUT a shared activity will not show (it showed when it is not registered befroe) in the neighbourhood. I use 2 registered XO and the shared activities will show. The SOAS can join but will not work as in my previous setting. The XO collaboration works OK. >Okay, that's interesting. Ha .. you love interesting stuff to troubleshoot. Hope the issue get sorted out or we are losing a great feature. Cheers > >-- >James Cameron >http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 04:11:45AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > >Okay, and please bear with me; I don't have the data quota to download > >SOAS images; but is the Server entry box in the Collaboration section > >of the Network panel of the My Settings set or is it blank? > > It has the jabber.sugalabs.org and I have blank it out first for my > testing. So if you do not blank it out, but leave it as it is, and allow it to connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org, everything works fine? (When I do that on other than SOAS, there are many icons on neighbourhood view. I'm able to invite the other non-XO to chat, and it works fine.) If using jabber.sugarlabs.org works fine on SOAS, then this is not so severe a problem. > I registered the two SOAS-22 with the schoolserver. Both shows in > the neighbourhood BUT a shared activity will not show (it showed > when it is not registered befroe) in the neighbourhood. I use 2 > registered XO and the shared activities will show. The SOAS can join > but will not work as in my previous setting. The XO collaboration > works OK. Thanks. I agree it sounds like a problem specific to Fedora 22 or SOAS. > >Okay, that's interesting. > > Ha .. you love interesting stuff to troubleshoot. Hope the issue get > sorted out or we are losing a great feature. Peter would be able to tell us for sure, but my guess is that it won't be fixed before this spin of SOAS is released. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
This keeps coming up. I believe that due to changes in telepathy, collaboration (at least for Jabber) has not worked for the past few Fedora releases. Given collaboration is supposed to be one of the core features of Sugar, this makes it hard to promote. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:36 AM, James Cameron wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 04:11:45AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > > >Okay, and please bear with me; I don't have the data quota to download > > >SOAS images; but is the Server entry box in the Collaboration section > > >of the Network panel of the My Settings set or is it blank? > > > > It has the jabber.sugalabs.org and I have blank it out first for my > > testing. > > So if you do not blank it out, but leave it as it is, and allow it to > connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org, everything works fine? > > (When I do that on other than SOAS, there are many icons on > neighbourhood view. I'm able to invite the other non-XO to chat, and > it works fine.) > > If using jabber.sugarlabs.org works fine on SOAS, then this is not so > severe a problem. > > > I registered the two SOAS-22 with the schoolserver. Both shows in > > the neighbourhood BUT a shared activity will not show (it showed > > when it is not registered befroe) in the neighbourhood. I use 2 > > registered XO and the shared activities will show. The SOAS can join > > but will not work as in my previous setting. The XO collaboration > > works OK. > > Thanks. I agree it sounds like a problem specific to Fedora 22 or > SOAS. > > > >Okay, that's interesting. > > > > Ha .. you love interesting stuff to troubleshoot. Hope the issue get > > sorted out or we are losing a great feature. > > Peter would be able to tell us for sure, but my guess is that it won't > be fixed before this spin of SOAS is released. > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.linux.org.au/ > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
Thanks Samuel. So there is effort needed to port Sugar to the versions of Telepathy in use in Fedora and whatever other distributions are used. I'm in favour of that. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 01:03:38AM -0400, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > This keeps coming up. > > I believe that due to changes in telepathy, collaboration (at least > for Jabber) has not worked for the past few Fedora releases. > > Given collaboration is supposed to be one of the core features of > Sugar, this makes it hard to promote. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>So if you do not blank it out, but leave it as it is, and allow it to >connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org, everything works fine? > Did my last testing with conection to jabber.sugarlabs.org. Not able to get the shared activity to show/display to join and test. So things are really broken :-( ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>This keeps coming up. >I believe that due to changes in telepathy, collaboration (at least for >Jabber) has not worked for the past few Fedora releases. Not sure which version but in the past I did have some fun linking up XO-1 and SOAS for varied shared activities. Reliability was good enough at times. > >Given collaboration is supposed to be one of the core features of Sugar, >this makes it hard to promote. Indeed this will be an issue if we give the release web a new face and people start trying things out (a few perhaps) in initial testing. Cheers ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
>Thanks Samuel. > >So there is effort needed to port Sugar to the versions of Telepathy >in use in Fedora and whatever other distributions are used. > >I'm in favour of that. > + 1 & hope a SOaS (sos) call will get it back to its core functionality and uniqueness. Thank you all for the feedback. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 05:39:35AM +, tkk...@nurturingasia.com wrote: > Indeed this will be an issue if we give the release web a new face > and people start trying things out (a few perhaps) in initial > testing. Actually, no, it won't be an issue, because those people will ignore the collaboration features; they are very difficult to discover, and they won't have been prepared to expect them. They will assume that Browse and web sites give them all the collaboration functionality they need. The only activity on the release page that really requires collaboration to work is the Chat activity. All the others can be used alone. So rather than reflecting badly on Sugar, such people will blame Chat for not working. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, 2015-05-21 at 13:41 +1000, James Cameron wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 08:10:38PM -0700, Thomas Gilliard wrote: > > On 5/20/2015 6:52 PM, James Cameron wrote: > > >Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or > > >with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? > > > > > >Do the two SOAS share a network? > > > > > >Did previous SOAS work okay? > > > > > >Is there a ticket number? > > > > https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3629 maybe there are a lot of tickets > > Yeah, that one doesn't match. What I'm after are detailed problem > descriptions; not a "it doesn't work, why don't you test it to prove > me wrong", but rather what was tried, what the result was, and what > the expectation was. > > One problem description for each of the three connection methods; with > Jabber, without Jabber but with access point, and with ad-hoc. > > > I like the way you fixed the OLPC sugar Ubuntu! collaboration in > > sugar 0.104 on jabber.sugarlabs.org > > Thanks, but we're talking about SOAS in this thread. > > > The fedora 22 RC-2 collaboration fails > > Shared activities and collaboration has failed since about 0.98 in > > fedora > > Thanks. (This is worrying. Collaboration is so fundamental and yet it > has stayed broken for so long?) > > I don't think this relates to 0.98, because 0.98 works fine on other > Fedora systems such as XO laptops. But that gives us a date range. Hi James, Just from POV date range, these pages give an indication of the known bugs to anyone testing collaboration over a wired connection since 2013. F18 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/%C3%8A%C2%BB%C3%85%C5% 92helo_%C3%8A%C2%BBai F19 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Avocado F20 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/10 > Thomas, check your notes; did it work with a Fedora 18 SOAS? > I have a memory of using this workaround successfully, once only, to get wired collaboration to work in Fedora 18 SOAS. (Updating from telepathy-mission-control-5.14.0-1.fc18 to 5.14.0-2.fc18 fixes this problem.) Iain ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
On Thu, 2015-05-21 at 10:23 +0100, Iain Brown Douglas wrote: > On Thu, 2015-05-21 at 13:41 +1000, James Cameron wrote: > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 08:10:38PM -0700, Thomas Gilliard wrote: > > > On 5/20/2015 6:52 PM, James Cameron wrote: > > > >Are you finding this problem with peer to peer (telepathy salut) or > > > >with a jabber server (telepathy gabble)? > > > > > > > >Do the two SOAS share a network? > > > > > > > >Did previous SOAS work okay? > > > > > > > >Is there a ticket number? > > > > > > https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3629 maybe there are a lot of tickets > > > > Yeah, that one doesn't match. What I'm after are detailed problem > > descriptions; not a "it doesn't work, why don't you test it to prove > > me wrong", but rather what was tried, what the result was, and what > > the expectation was. > > > > One problem description for each of the three connection methods; with > > Jabber, without Jabber but with access point, and with ad-hoc. > > > > > I like the way you fixed the OLPC sugar Ubuntu! collaboration in > > > sugar 0.104 on jabber.sugarlabs.org > > > > Thanks, but we're talking about SOAS in this thread. > > > > > The fedora 22 RC-2 collaboration fails > > > Shared activities and collaboration has failed since about 0.98 in > > > fedora > > > > Thanks. (This is worrying. Collaboration is so fundamental and yet it > > has stayed broken for so long?) > > > > I don't think this relates to 0.98, because 0.98 works fine on other > > Fedora systems such as XO laptops. But that gives us a date range. > > Hi James, > > Just from POV date range, these pages give an indication of the known > bugs to anyone testing collaboration over a wired connection since 2013. > > F18 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/%C3%8A%C2%BB%C3%85%C5% > 92helo_%C3%8A%C2%BBai > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/%C3%8A%C2%BB%C3%85%C5% 92helo_%C3%8A%C2%BBai > F19 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Avocado > > F20 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/10 > > > Thomas, check your notes; did it work with a Fedora 18 SOAS? > > > I have a memory of using this workaround successfully, once only, to get > wired collaboration to work in Fedora 18 SOAS. > > (Updating from telepathy-mission-control-5.14.0-1.fc18 to 5.14.0-2.fc18 > fixes this problem.) > > Iain > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
Hi, I'm not 100% sure about in F22, but it doesn't work in F21 either. In fact I've never seen it work (over jabber) for the last 2 years or so. >From memory, there were some upstream changes that were not simple to adapt to from sugar. Maybe next release! Thanks, Sam On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:32 AM wrote: > With SOAS Fedora 22 coming to the stage of final release I would like to > know if we can expect the collaboative features of Sugar to be functioning. > > I tried Memorize, Maze and Write with two SOAS and it did not work. Have > reported this issue before. > > Cheers > > > --- > T.K. Kang > > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS Fedora 22 Final Release: Collaboration in Activities
Collaboration is a priority for 108. Hopefully we will be able to find the resources to Stamos the stack. On May 21, 2015 6:21 AM, "Sam P." wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not 100% sure about in F22, but it doesn't work in F21 either. In > fact I've never seen it work (over jabber) for the last 2 years or so. > > From memory, there were some upstream changes that were not simple to > adapt to from sugar. > > Maybe next release! > > Thanks, > Sam > > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:32 AM wrote: > >> With SOAS Fedora 22 coming to the stage of final release I would like to >> know if we can expect the collaboative features of Sugar to be functioning. >> >> I tried Memorize, Maze and Write with two SOAS and it did not work. Have >> reported this issue before. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> --- >> T.K. Kang >> >> >> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
