Re: [Sugar-devel] nitpicks on the sucrose 0.83.6 UI
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: > The Sucrose 0.83.6 Release Notes said that we can comment on it UI on > the sugar mailing list, so I hope you don't mind me making my wish > list. Many of these things are perhaps nitpicks, but so be it :) > > 1 - I'm unsure about this one, but you tell me: Boxes around all > desktop objects when hovered: Yes, that was the intent. > a - For prettiness sake, they could have rounded corners Yup, see mockup. ;) http://laptop.org/en/laptop/interface/index.shtml > b - They should always appear even if the resume by default choice > isn't toggled. In fact, all actionable graphic on sugar should have > some graphical change when hovered. For example, in the frame, the > background for icons change from grey to black. I think this could be > easily made with the activity icons by adding to them a new light-grey > rounded square which is only visible when hovered. This would mean all > icons on the "desktop", XO users, Activity icons, network icons. > c - this also makes the interface give more feedback to the user. Yup yup, this was exactly our thoughts when introducing the rounded rect on hover. It should be ubiquitous in the zoom levels, and Also in other places with actionable icons, such as the Journal. > > 2 - a laptop icon to be placed in the bottom of the frame > a - It contains in its palette the options: > - Configure > - Logout > - Restart > - Shutdown > b - This leaves the current XO in home with only the option "About me" Actually, we discussed this possibility, and Christian and I were averse to it because we want to maintain the idea that the XO itself is the hybrid online identity of the user and their machine. This is precisely why the XO is shown at start up, transitioning from stroke to colored fill (and why, ideally, the reverse would happen at shutdown). > c - This allows one to access any of the above options from any view, > via the frame. This is possible in the latest builds. The fact that the XO menu for yourself wasn't consistent everywhere was a bug. You can now access the actions you mention from the XO in any zoom level, as well as the Frame. > 3 - Add a "don't Keep" option in the "name this fresh activity" > dialog. Perhaps a Keep icon with a cross over it? Or just the erase > icon to keep symbols consistent throughout the interface. I think it goes without saying that this is a desired feature. I guess we need to work out the DS details. > 4 - Change the "View details" icon to the latest try at it that Eben > gave. Perhaps I just don't understand why > is preferable. I'm with you on the [...] idea. Christian adamantly opposes. Perhaps it's something we can discuss at an upcoming design meeting. > 5 - I'm unsure about this one, so I'll just throw it out as food for > thought. It takes approximately one second to reveal the primary > palette (which usually only titles the object), and another second to > reveal the secondary. Perhaps these times could be decreased? Is it > really discoverable that a secondary palette exists for a icon, if it > takes 2 seconds of a stationary cursor for it to be revealed? It's a fair question. It's worth noting that we actually *increased* these times after the early releases, because we found that nearly everyone would wait for the secondary menu to perform *any* action at all on an object, including the simple starting of activities. This wasn't the intent. The secondary actions were meant to be just that, with the default action (the first in the list of the secondary palette) being invoked with a simple click on the object. It seems to me thus far that this was the right decision. The people who cared (because they really wanted the secondary features) then learned that right-click reveals the secondary palette immediately. What you say about indication is true, though. I wonder if there are any thoughts on how we could indicate "there is more here" without speeding up the reveal. Thanks for all the good thoughts! - Eben > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] nitpicks on the sucrose 0.83.6 UI
2009/2/22 Eben Eliason : > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Eduardo H. Silva > wrote: >> The Sucrose 0.83.6 Release Notes said that we can comment on it UI on >> the sugar mailing list, so I hope you don't mind me making my wish >> list. Many of these things are perhaps nitpicks, but so be it :) >> >> 1 - I'm unsure about this one, but you tell me: Boxes around all >> desktop objects when hovered: > > Yes, that was the intent. > >> a - For prettiness sake, they could have rounded corners > > Yup, see mockup. ;) > http://laptop.org/en/laptop/interface/index.shtml I keep forgetting that there _are_ future ideal mockups of the interface, which already solve many of the issues I find! :) > >> b - They should always appear even if the resume by default choice >> isn't toggled. In fact, all actionable graphic on sugar should have >> some graphical change when hovered. For example, in the frame, the >> background for icons change from grey to black. I think this could be >> easily made with the activity icons by adding to them a new light-grey >> rounded square which is only visible when hovered. This would mean all >> icons on the "desktop", XO users, Activity icons, network icons. >> c - this also makes the interface give more feedback to the user. > > Yup yup, this was exactly our thoughts when introducing the rounded > rect on hover. It should be ubiquitous in the zoom levels, and Also > in other places with actionable icons, such as the Journal. > >> >> 2 - a laptop icon to be placed in the bottom of the frame >> a - It contains in its palette the options: >> - Configure >> - Logout >> - Restart >> - Shutdown >> b - This leaves the current XO in home with only the option "About me" > > Actually, we discussed this possibility, and Christian and I were > averse to it because we want to maintain the idea that the XO itself > is the hybrid online identity of the user and their machine. This is > precisely why the XO is shown at start up, transitioning from stroke > to colored fill (and why, ideally, the reverse would happen at > shutdown). > >> c - This allows one to access any of the above options from any view, >> via the frame. > > This is possible in the latest builds. The fact that the XO menu for > yourself wasn't consistent everywhere was a bug. You can now access > the actions you mention from the XO in any zoom level, as well as the > Frame. > >> 3 - Add a "don't Keep" option in the "name this fresh activity" >> dialog. Perhaps a Keep icon with a cross over it? Or just the erase >> icon to keep symbols consistent throughout the interface. > > I think it goes without saying that this is a desired feature. I > guess we need to work out the DS details. > >> 4 - Change the "View details" icon to the latest try at it that Eben >> gave. Perhaps I just don't understand why > is preferable. > > I'm with you on the [...] idea. Christian adamantly opposes. Perhaps > it's something we can discuss at an upcoming design meeting. > >> 5 - I'm unsure about this one, so I'll just throw it out as food for >> thought. It takes approximately one second to reveal the primary >> palette (which usually only titles the object), and another second to >> reveal the secondary. Perhaps these times could be decreased? Is it >> really discoverable that a secondary palette exists for a icon, if it >> takes 2 seconds of a stationary cursor for it to be revealed? > > It's a fair question. It's worth noting that we actually *increased* > these times after the early releases, because we found that nearly > everyone would wait for the secondary menu to perform *any* action at > all on an object, including the simple starting of activities. This > wasn't the intent. The secondary actions were meant to be just that, > with the default action (the first in the list of the secondary > palette) being invoked with a simple click on the object. > > It seems to me thus far that this was the right decision. The people > who cared (because they really wanted the secondary features) then > learned that right-click reveals the secondary palette immediately. Perhaps when adding the rounded cornered boxes to actionable icons, that will signal kids and adults that they are actionable with just one click. Also, from the experience I've seen with a kid, he doesn't wait, he just goes ahead and click what he wants to get/have. > What you say about indication is true, though. I wonder if there are > any thoughts on how we could indicate "there is more here" without > speeding up the reveal. You know those pieces of paper (usually publicity or fliers) through which you can detach a part of them because the division has already been "dotted" (perforated in some manner). The bottom of a primary palette which contains a secondary palette could have such a bottom edge, as if it had been ripped from a larger piece of paper (which would be the entire palette). > > Thanks for all the good thoughts! > > - Eben Welcome, I'll try to be at the me
Re: [Sugar-devel] nitpicks on the sucrose 0.83.6 UI
Just another nitpick I've remembered. When in resume mode, the option to start a fresh instance of an activity is just named "Start". Could it perhaps be made more explicit, like "Start new activity"? Eduardo 2009/2/22 Eduardo H. Silva : > 2009/2/22 Eben Eliason : >> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Eduardo H. Silva >> wrote: >>> The Sucrose 0.83.6 Release Notes said that we can comment on it UI on >>> the sugar mailing list, so I hope you don't mind me making my wish >>> list. Many of these things are perhaps nitpicks, but so be it :) >>> >>> 1 - I'm unsure about this one, but you tell me: Boxes around all >>> desktop objects when hovered: >> >> Yes, that was the intent. >> >>> a - For prettiness sake, they could have rounded corners >> >> Yup, see mockup. ;) >> http://laptop.org/en/laptop/interface/index.shtml > > I keep forgetting that there _are_ future ideal mockups of the > interface, which already solve many of the issues I find! :) >> >>> b - They should always appear even if the resume by default choice >>> isn't toggled. In fact, all actionable graphic on sugar should have >>> some graphical change when hovered. For example, in the frame, the >>> background for icons change from grey to black. I think this could be >>> easily made with the activity icons by adding to them a new light-grey >>> rounded square which is only visible when hovered. This would mean all >>> icons on the "desktop", XO users, Activity icons, network icons. >>> c - this also makes the interface give more feedback to the user. >> >> Yup yup, this was exactly our thoughts when introducing the rounded >> rect on hover. It should be ubiquitous in the zoom levels, and Also >> in other places with actionable icons, such as the Journal. >> >>> >>> 2 - a laptop icon to be placed in the bottom of the frame >>> a - It contains in its palette the options: >>> - Configure >>> - Logout >>> - Restart >>> - Shutdown >>> b - This leaves the current XO in home with only the option "About me" >> >> Actually, we discussed this possibility, and Christian and I were >> averse to it because we want to maintain the idea that the XO itself >> is the hybrid online identity of the user and their machine. This is >> precisely why the XO is shown at start up, transitioning from stroke >> to colored fill (and why, ideally, the reverse would happen at >> shutdown). >> >>> c - This allows one to access any of the above options from any view, >>> via the frame. >> >> This is possible in the latest builds. The fact that the XO menu for >> yourself wasn't consistent everywhere was a bug. You can now access >> the actions you mention from the XO in any zoom level, as well as the >> Frame. >> >>> 3 - Add a "don't Keep" option in the "name this fresh activity" >>> dialog. Perhaps a Keep icon with a cross over it? Or just the erase >>> icon to keep symbols consistent throughout the interface. >> >> I think it goes without saying that this is a desired feature. I >> guess we need to work out the DS details. >> >>> 4 - Change the "View details" icon to the latest try at it that Eben >>> gave. Perhaps I just don't understand why > is preferable. >> >> I'm with you on the [...] idea. Christian adamantly opposes. Perhaps >> it's something we can discuss at an upcoming design meeting. >> >>> 5 - I'm unsure about this one, so I'll just throw it out as food for >>> thought. It takes approximately one second to reveal the primary >>> palette (which usually only titles the object), and another second to >>> reveal the secondary. Perhaps these times could be decreased? Is it >>> really discoverable that a secondary palette exists for a icon, if it >>> takes 2 seconds of a stationary cursor for it to be revealed? >> >> It's a fair question. It's worth noting that we actually *increased* >> these times after the early releases, because we found that nearly >> everyone would wait for the secondary menu to perform *any* action at >> all on an object, including the simple starting of activities. This >> wasn't the intent. The secondary actions were meant to be just that, >> with the default action (the first in the list of the secondary >> palette) being invoked with a simple click on the object. >> >> It seems to me thus far that this was the right decision. The people >> who cared (because they really wanted the secondary features) then >> learned that right-click reveals the secondary palette immediately. > > Perhaps when adding the rounded cornered boxes to actionable icons, > that will signal kids and adults that they are actionable with just > one click. Also, from the experience I've seen with a kid, he doesn't > wait, he just goes ahead and click what he wants to get/have. > >> What you say about indication is true, though. I wonder if there are >> any thoughts on how we could indicate "there is more here" without >> speeding up the reveal. > > You know those pieces of paper (usually publicity or fliers) through > which you can detach a part of them
Re: [Sugar-devel] nitpicks on the sucrose 0.83.6 UI
Last one (I promisse): On resume mode, clicking on an already instantiated activity icon from home, should switch to that opened activity. Right now, it tries to re-launch instance that has been saved in the journal, and fails (doesnt pass the blinking activity icon stage). Eduardo 2009/2/22 Eduardo H. Silva : > Just another nitpick I've remembered. When in resume mode, the option > to start a fresh instance of an activity is just named "Start". Could > it perhaps be made more explicit, like "Start new activity"? > > Eduardo > > 2009/2/22 Eduardo H. Silva : >> 2009/2/22 Eben Eliason : >>> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Eduardo H. Silva >>> wrote: The Sucrose 0.83.6 Release Notes said that we can comment on it UI on the sugar mailing list, so I hope you don't mind me making my wish list. Many of these things are perhaps nitpicks, but so be it :) 1 - I'm unsure about this one, but you tell me: Boxes around all desktop objects when hovered: >>> >>> Yes, that was the intent. >>> a - For prettiness sake, they could have rounded corners >>> >>> Yup, see mockup. ;) >>> http://laptop.org/en/laptop/interface/index.shtml >> >> I keep forgetting that there _are_ future ideal mockups of the >> interface, which already solve many of the issues I find! :) >>> b - They should always appear even if the resume by default choice isn't toggled. In fact, all actionable graphic on sugar should have some graphical change when hovered. For example, in the frame, the background for icons change from grey to black. I think this could be easily made with the activity icons by adding to them a new light-grey rounded square which is only visible when hovered. This would mean all icons on the "desktop", XO users, Activity icons, network icons. c - this also makes the interface give more feedback to the user. >>> >>> Yup yup, this was exactly our thoughts when introducing the rounded >>> rect on hover. It should be ubiquitous in the zoom levels, and Also >>> in other places with actionable icons, such as the Journal. >>> 2 - a laptop icon to be placed in the bottom of the frame a - It contains in its palette the options: - Configure - Logout - Restart - Shutdown b - This leaves the current XO in home with only the option "About me" >>> >>> Actually, we discussed this possibility, and Christian and I were >>> averse to it because we want to maintain the idea that the XO itself >>> is the hybrid online identity of the user and their machine. This is >>> precisely why the XO is shown at start up, transitioning from stroke >>> to colored fill (and why, ideally, the reverse would happen at >>> shutdown). >>> c - This allows one to access any of the above options from any view, via the frame. >>> >>> This is possible in the latest builds. The fact that the XO menu for >>> yourself wasn't consistent everywhere was a bug. You can now access >>> the actions you mention from the XO in any zoom level, as well as the >>> Frame. >>> 3 - Add a "don't Keep" option in the "name this fresh activity" dialog. Perhaps a Keep icon with a cross over it? Or just the erase icon to keep symbols consistent throughout the interface. >>> >>> I think it goes without saying that this is a desired feature. I >>> guess we need to work out the DS details. >>> 4 - Change the "View details" icon to the latest try at it that Eben gave. Perhaps I just don't understand why > is preferable. >>> >>> I'm with you on the [...] idea. Christian adamantly opposes. Perhaps >>> it's something we can discuss at an upcoming design meeting. >>> 5 - I'm unsure about this one, so I'll just throw it out as food for thought. It takes approximately one second to reveal the primary palette (which usually only titles the object), and another second to reveal the secondary. Perhaps these times could be decreased? Is it really discoverable that a secondary palette exists for a icon, if it takes 2 seconds of a stationary cursor for it to be revealed? >>> >>> It's a fair question. It's worth noting that we actually *increased* >>> these times after the early releases, because we found that nearly >>> everyone would wait for the secondary menu to perform *any* action at >>> all on an object, including the simple starting of activities. This >>> wasn't the intent. The secondary actions were meant to be just that, >>> with the default action (the first in the list of the secondary >>> palette) being invoked with a simple click on the object. >>> >>> It seems to me thus far that this was the right decision. The people >>> who cared (because they really wanted the secondary features) then >>> learned that right-click reveals the secondary palette immediately. >> >> Perhaps when adding the rounded cornered boxes to actionable icons, >> that will signal kids and adults that they are actionable with just
Re: [Sugar-devel] nitpicks on the sucrose 0.83.6 UI
Last to last one!! On resume mode in Home, there should exist a distinction between currently opened activities and those which arent: both are colored right now, with no distincion. Perhaps the currently opened activities should appear in a closer circle to the main XO. So, in the outside ring you can launch and resume fresh and past activities, and in the inner ring you can resume presently opened activities. I think someone else also suggested something like this, and I think its a great idea: because it brings upfront another way to switch between opened activities, and makes clearer the difference between activity launching, past activity resuming, and presently opened activity resuming. Eduardo 2009/2/22 Eduardo H. Silva : > Last one (I promisse): > > On resume mode, clicking on an already instantiated activity icon from > home, should switch to that opened activity. Right now, it tries to > re-launch instance that has been saved in the journal, and fails > (doesnt pass the blinking activity icon stage). > > Eduardo > > 2009/2/22 Eduardo H. Silva : >> Just another nitpick I've remembered. When in resume mode, the option >> to start a fresh instance of an activity is just named "Start". Could >> it perhaps be made more explicit, like "Start new activity"? >> >> Eduardo >> >> 2009/2/22 Eduardo H. Silva : >>> 2009/2/22 Eben Eliason : On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: > The Sucrose 0.83.6 Release Notes said that we can comment on it UI on > the sugar mailing list, so I hope you don't mind me making my wish > list. Many of these things are perhaps nitpicks, but so be it :) > > 1 - I'm unsure about this one, but you tell me: Boxes around all > desktop objects when hovered: Yes, that was the intent. > a - For prettiness sake, they could have rounded corners Yup, see mockup. ;) http://laptop.org/en/laptop/interface/index.shtml >>> >>> I keep forgetting that there _are_ future ideal mockups of the >>> interface, which already solve many of the issues I find! :) > b - They should always appear even if the resume by default choice > isn't toggled. In fact, all actionable graphic on sugar should have > some graphical change when hovered. For example, in the frame, the > background for icons change from grey to black. I think this could be > easily made with the activity icons by adding to them a new light-grey > rounded square which is only visible when hovered. This would mean all > icons on the "desktop", XO users, Activity icons, network icons. > c - this also makes the interface give more feedback to the user. Yup yup, this was exactly our thoughts when introducing the rounded rect on hover. It should be ubiquitous in the zoom levels, and Also in other places with actionable icons, such as the Journal. > > 2 - a laptop icon to be placed in the bottom of the frame > a - It contains in its palette the options: > - Configure > - Logout > - Restart > - Shutdown > b - This leaves the current XO in home with only the option "About me" Actually, we discussed this possibility, and Christian and I were averse to it because we want to maintain the idea that the XO itself is the hybrid online identity of the user and their machine. This is precisely why the XO is shown at start up, transitioning from stroke to colored fill (and why, ideally, the reverse would happen at shutdown). > c - This allows one to access any of the above options from any view, > via the frame. This is possible in the latest builds. The fact that the XO menu for yourself wasn't consistent everywhere was a bug. You can now access the actions you mention from the XO in any zoom level, as well as the Frame. > 3 - Add a "don't Keep" option in the "name this fresh activity" > dialog. Perhaps a Keep icon with a cross over it? Or just the erase > icon to keep symbols consistent throughout the interface. I think it goes without saying that this is a desired feature. I guess we need to work out the DS details. > 4 - Change the "View details" icon to the latest try at it that Eben > gave. Perhaps I just don't understand why > is preferable. I'm with you on the [...] idea. Christian adamantly opposes. Perhaps it's something we can discuss at an upcoming design meeting. > 5 - I'm unsure about this one, so I'll just throw it out as food for > thought. It takes approximately one second to reveal the primary > palette (which usually only titles the object), and another second to > reveal the secondary. Perhaps these times could be decreased? Is it > really discoverable that a secondary palette exists for a icon, if it > takes 2 seconds of a stationary cursor for it to be revealed? It's a fair
Re: [Sugar-devel] nitpicks on the sucrose 0.83.6 UI
On 22 Feb 2009, at 19:52, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: > Last one (I promisse): > > On resume mode, clicking on an already instantiated activity icon from > home, should switch to that opened activity. Right now, it tries to > re-launch instance that has been saved in the journal, and fails > (doesnt pass the blinking activity icon stage). Hi Eduardo, thanks for all the recent great feedback! Just wanted to point you to: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/238 I only have XOs to test the 0.83.x Sugar work, so I'm week or so behind :-( but my above ticket from a month back sounds very much like what you've just described; Tomeu fixed and closed this ticket, so if you've found another chink in the new home resume function, please do open the ticket and mention the steps needed to reproduce! Regards, --Gary > Eduardo > > 2009/2/22 Eduardo H. Silva : >> Just another nitpick I've remembered. When in resume mode, the option >> to start a fresh instance of an activity is just named "Start". Could >> it perhaps be made more explicit, like "Start new activity"? >> >> Eduardo >> >> 2009/2/22 Eduardo H. Silva : >>> 2009/2/22 Eben Eliason : On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Eduardo H. Silva wrote: > The Sucrose 0.83.6 Release Notes said that we can comment on it > UI on > the sugar mailing list, so I hope you don't mind me making my wish > list. Many of these things are perhaps nitpicks, but so be it :) > > 1 - I'm unsure about this one, but you tell me: Boxes around all > desktop objects when hovered: Yes, that was the intent. > a - For prettiness sake, they could have rounded corners Yup, see mockup. ;) http://laptop.org/en/laptop/interface/index.shtml >>> >>> I keep forgetting that there _are_ future ideal mockups of the >>> interface, which already solve many of the issues I find! :) > b - They should always appear even if the resume by default choice > isn't toggled. In fact, all actionable graphic on sugar should > have > some graphical change when hovered. For example, in the frame, the > background for icons change from grey to black. I think this > could be > easily made with the activity icons by adding to them a new > light-grey > rounded square which is only visible when hovered. This would > mean all > icons on the "desktop", XO users, Activity icons, network icons. > c - this also makes the interface give more feedback to the user. Yup yup, this was exactly our thoughts when introducing the rounded rect on hover. It should be ubiquitous in the zoom levels, and Also in other places with actionable icons, such as the Journal. > > 2 - a laptop icon to be placed in the bottom of the frame > a - It contains in its palette the options: > - Configure > - Logout > - Restart > - Shutdown > b - This leaves the current XO in home with only the option > "About me" Actually, we discussed this possibility, and Christian and I were averse to it because we want to maintain the idea that the XO itself is the hybrid online identity of the user and their machine. This is precisely why the XO is shown at start up, transitioning from stroke to colored fill (and why, ideally, the reverse would happen at shutdown). > c - This allows one to access any of the above options from any > view, > via the frame. This is possible in the latest builds. The fact that the XO menu for yourself wasn't consistent everywhere was a bug. You can now access the actions you mention from the XO in any zoom level, as well as the Frame. > 3 - Add a "don't Keep" option in the "name this fresh activity" > dialog. Perhaps a Keep icon with a cross over it? Or just the > erase > icon to keep symbols consistent throughout the interface. I think it goes without saying that this is a desired feature. I guess we need to work out the DS details. > 4 - Change the "View details" icon to the latest try at it that > Eben > gave. Perhaps I just don't understand why > is preferable. I'm with you on the [...] idea. Christian adamantly opposes. Perhaps it's something we can discuss at an upcoming design meeting. > 5 - I'm unsure about this one, so I'll just throw it out as food > for > thought. It takes approximately one second to reveal the primary > palette (which usually only titles the object), and another > second to > reveal the secondary. Perhaps these times could be decreased? Is > it > really discoverable that a secondary palette exists for a icon, > if it > takes 2 seconds of a stationary cursor for it to be revealed? It's a fair question. It's worth noting that we actually
Re: [Sugar-devel] nitpicks on the sucrose 0.83.6 UI
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 18:00, Eben Eliason wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Eduardo H. Silva > wrote: >> The Sucrose 0.83.6 Release Notes said that we can comment on it UI on >> the sugar mailing list, so I hope you don't mind me making my wish >> list. Many of these things are perhaps nitpicks, but so be it :) >> >> 1 - I'm unsure about this one, but you tell me: Boxes around all >> desktop objects when hovered: > > Yes, that was the intent. > >> a - For prettiness sake, they could have rounded corners > > Yup, see mockup. ;) > http://laptop.org/en/laptop/interface/index.shtml Entered http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/406 about this. >> b - They should always appear even if the resume by default choice >> isn't toggled. In fact, all actionable graphic on sugar should have >> some graphical change when hovered. For example, in the frame, the >> background for icons change from grey to black. I think this could be >> easily made with the activity icons by adding to them a new light-grey >> rounded square which is only visible when hovered. This would mean all >> icons on the "desktop", XO users, Activity icons, network icons. >> c - this also makes the interface give more feedback to the user. > > Yup yup, this was exactly our thoughts when introducing the rounded > rect on hover. It should be ubiquitous in the zoom levels, and Also > in other places with actionable icons, such as the Journal. Yeah, would be nice to modify CanvasIcon and the gtk button theme engine to add support for this. Added this to the wiki: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas#Graphical_toolkit >> 2 - a laptop icon to be placed in the bottom of the frame >> a - It contains in its palette the options: >> - Configure >> - Logout >> - Restart >> - Shutdown >> b - This leaves the current XO in home with only the option "About me" > > Actually, we discussed this possibility, and Christian and I were > averse to it because we want to maintain the idea that the XO itself > is the hybrid online identity of the user and their machine. This is > precisely why the XO is shown at start up, transitioning from stroke > to colored fill (and why, ideally, the reverse would happen at > shutdown). > >> c - This allows one to access any of the above options from any view, >> via the frame. > > This is possible in the latest builds. The fact that the XO menu for > yourself wasn't consistent everywhere was a bug. You can now access > the actions you mention from the XO in any zoom level, as well as the > Frame. > >> 3 - Add a "don't Keep" option in the "name this fresh activity" >> dialog. Perhaps a Keep icon with a cross over it? Or just the erase >> icon to keep symbols consistent throughout the interface. > > I think it goes without saying that this is a desired feature. I > guess we need to work out the DS details. Would be nice to start specifying soon the work that needs to be done, so we make sure all the pieces land at the same time in the next release. >> 4 - Change the "View details" icon to the latest try at it that Eben >> gave. Perhaps I just don't understand why > is preferable. > > I'm with you on the [...] idea. Christian adamantly opposes. Perhaps > it's something we can discuss at an upcoming design meeting. Yeah, the small button we have today is quite bad. Thanks for the ideas, Tomeu >> 5 - I'm unsure about this one, so I'll just throw it out as food for >> thought. It takes approximately one second to reveal the primary >> palette (which usually only titles the object), and another second to >> reveal the secondary. Perhaps these times could be decreased? Is it >> really discoverable that a secondary palette exists for a icon, if it >> takes 2 seconds of a stationary cursor for it to be revealed? > > It's a fair question. It's worth noting that we actually *increased* > these times after the early releases, because we found that nearly > everyone would wait for the secondary menu to perform *any* action at > all on an object, including the simple starting of activities. This > wasn't the intent. The secondary actions were meant to be just that, > with the default action (the first in the list of the secondary > palette) being invoked with a simple click on the object. > > It seems to me thus far that this was the right decision. The people > who cared (because they really wanted the secondary features) then > learned that right-click reveals the secondary palette immediately. > > What you say about indication is true, though. I wonder if there are > any thoughts on how we could indicate "there is more here" without > speeding up the reveal. > > > Thanks for all the good thoughts! > > - Eben > > >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://list
