Re: lunar eclipse

1999-01-26 Thread Arthur Carlson

Jim_Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I noticed that this time disagrees with the time given in the almanac,
 so I thought I should provide more information so as not to impugn the
 reputation of the excellent xephem program.  The 16:08:17 UT time is
 what xephem computes as the time of the full moon.  I do not know how
 to get it to reveal the maximum eclipse time.

Well, that's interesting.  I would have defined full moon as the
time when the moon is most nearly opposite the sun, which would be the
same as the time of maximum ecclipse.  How else can it be defined?
There must be something like a projection into the ecliptic.

Art Carlson


Re: Analemmatic dial

1999-01-26 Thread Fred Sawyer

Tom,

With regard to your posting:

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comfortable arm-chair. If an analemmatic dial is planned for a vertical
declining wall at 55° North, and the latitude on the earth's surface where
this plane would be horizontal to the surface is 35° South, these two
defining planes would be parallel to each other. Therefore, as the gnomon's


Not true if the vertical wall declines.  Declination will bring the
southern latitude closer to the equator - until it equals the equator when
the declination is 90 degrees.

Fred Sawyer


Re: lunar eclipse

1999-01-26 Thread Jim Cobb

Philip P. Pappas, II wrote:
There will be a total penumbral lunar eclipse on
Jan. 31. The moon will
pass entirely through the lighter part of the Earth's shadow without
any of
it being in the umbra or darkest portion. I don't know the exact
time of
the event. This is a somewhat rare event. I thought that this
would be an
excellent opportunity for you dialists to check the functioning of
your
sundials (moondials) and to test some of the theories that we discussed
last
week. (ie. Does the use of the EOT improve accuracy.)

The reason that this eclipse is particularly good for sundial readings
is
that the moon will be brighter during totality than a normal
eclipse and
should cast a more distinct shadow. Of course the sun/earth/moon
alignment
will be better than during a partial eclipse also.

Does anybody know the times for this eclipse?

John Carmichael
According to the xephem program, the eclipse occurs at 16:08:17 UT.
The geocentric latitude of the moon at that time is -0:59:16 degrees (very
close to -1 degree).

Attached is a gif file showing the position of the moon and the umbra
and penumbra at the time of the full moon. This picture was produced
by the xephem program.

It may be interesting to investigate correction by the EOT as well as
correction by EOT for six months from now--the moon will be near the place
the sun will occupy in six months, and I'm having a hard time deciding
which EOT correction should be used (I know, Ishould be able to decide
this...).

Finally, also according to xephem, the moon will have zero geocentric
latitude (i.e. it will be at the node) on Feb 1 at 11:19:12 UT. You
might see whether the moondial is even more accurate at this time.
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Re: lunar eclipse

1999-01-26 Thread Jim_Cobb

Here is the eclipse info from the 1999 Astronomical Almanac (p. A 79).
I meant to include this in the last message, but sent it off too
soon...

Circumstances of the Eclipse

  d  h  m  s
UT of geocentric opposition in right ascension, January 31 16 38 02.180

Julian date = 2451210.1930807838

 d   h m
Moon enters penumbraJanuary 31  14  04.5
Middle of eclipse   31  16  17.5UT
Moon leaves penumbra31  18  30.3

[...]

Penumbral magnitude of the eclipse: 1.028

Jim
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Re: Analemmatic dial

1999-01-26 Thread Peter Tandy

Frank Evans mentions making an analemmatic dial on a vertical wall. An
article by Peter Drinkwater with just this title was published in the
journal of the British Sundial Society in July 1994 (vol.89.2, p.2). 

Peter Tandy



At 02:45 PM 1/25/99 +, you wrote:
Greetings, fellow dialists,

Douglas Hunt asked about an analemmatic dial on a slope.  Yes, well,
I've been planning an analemmatic dial on a vertical surface for quite a
while.  Trouble is, the plan has not left my armchair for the wall
opposite my kitchen window, where I can watch it while I wash up.  I'm
in 55 north, nearly on the Greenwich meridian.  The wall declines 34
degrees east of south, taking the morning sun. The solution seems to be
to work out the layout for a dial in 35 degrees south latitude, as
suggested by Tom McHugh and Tony Moss.  The peg gnomon thus sticks out
horizontally from the wall.  This solution was proposed to me by Fred
Sawyer at last year's meeting of the British Sundial Society at
Dunchurch when I asked for his help (I hope I'm citing you correctly,
Fred).

But the minor axis of the analemma ellipse must lie in the earth's axis
and with my declining wall I think it must be along what is hermetically
called in the trade the style distance, in its case 21.4 degrees from
the vertical.  So, for further developments, watch this space.  Or else
go and find some wet paint and watch it dry.

And that reminds me. Geordie, it seemed, was leading his donkey home but
called on the way at an Irish club, where he remained for several hours.
On emerging he found his donkey had been painted green.  Returning
inside he demanded to know the culprit.  An Irishman measuring two pick
handles across the shoulders put down his pint of stout and rose to
acknowledge the deed.  I just wanted to say, said Geordie, thinking
quickly, that your first coat's dry.

-- 
Frank Evans




light experiment

1999-01-26 Thread Philip P. Pappas, II

Hi guys, it's me again:

Just thought of another fun experiment we can do during the Jan. 31 lunar
eclipse.  One person wrote saying that he doubted there would be enough
light during a prenumbral eclipse to cast a shadow on a sundial.  If you
have a photometer, you could measure the minimum amount of light in
foot-candles (or lumens) that is needed to cast a shadow.  You can also note
how far into the eclipse this occurs.  I realize that results should vary
depending on local ambient light pollution.

Knowing, in foot-candles, the minimum amount of light needed to activate a
sundial, how far away from the sun would you have to go until the sun
doesn't cast a shadow?

John Carmichael


Moon Shadows

1999-01-26 Thread PsykoKidd

Greetings Dialers:
I'm certain that the penumbrally eclipsed moon will be bright enough to cast a
shadow on the 31st.  The planet Venus, when it is close by can cast a shadow
and it is only a -4 magnitude object.
Troy Heck