Roman Cylinder Dial in the Museum Atestino in Este, Italy
Dear all, does anyone of our Italian Sundial friends know whether the Roman Cylinder Sundial described by Mario Arnaldi and Karl-Heinz Schaldach in the Museo Atestino in Este is on display in these days? I might have the opportunity to visit Este on our trip from Padua to Ravenna on May 9 and would very much like to see this sundial, but I have no possibility to contact the museum. Any hint would be of great help. Thanks in advance Juergen Hoefeld Aachen Germany --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Roman Cylinder Dial in the Museum Atestino in Este, Italy
Dear Juergen, I suppose is still in the Museum of Este. I don't think it is out, I can try to phone them. Mario Arnaldi - Original Message - From: Jürgen Hoefeld To: sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:54 AM Subject: Roman Cylinder Dial in the Museum Atestino in Este, Italy Dear all, does anyone of our Italian Sundial friends know whether the Roman Cylinder Sundial described by Mario Arnaldi and Karl-Heinz Schaldach in the Museo Atestino in Este is on display in these days? I might have the opportunity to visit Este on our trip from Padua to Ravenna on May 9 and would very much like to see this sundial, but I have no possibility to contact the museum. Any hint would be of great help. Thanks in advance Juergen Hoefeld Aachen Germany -- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Shropshire Sundials And Google Earth
Phil Walker wrote: Back in December, Roger Bailey set us a challenge for 2009, to populate a sundial database and display the details using Google Earth. I rose to the challenge, in a small way, and here is the result on my website: www.shropshire-sundials.net I hope you to enjoy it. Roger also showed us how to start a sundial trail using Google Earth and in a later post more ideas on how to add content to the KML file. My approach was somewhat different, I decided to work directly with the KML language. KML stands for Keyhole Markup Language and is a simple, human-readable format used by Google Earth and now by other Earth browsers like Microsoft Virtual Earth and NASA WorldWind. KML 2.2 is now an international standard , located at www.opengeospatial.org. To give you an idea of what KML is like, here is a short snippet: ; line ?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'? 1 kml xmlns='http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2' 2 Placemark 3 nameLa Nef de Tavel/name 4 description 5 La Nef Solaire was built in 1993 at a motorway stop near Tavel in the Midi of France.6 Designed by sculptor Odile Mir and well-known gnomoniste Denis Savoie, this is one of the largest and interesting dials in the world 7. /description 8 Point 9 coordinates4.70031,44.0013/coordinates 10 /Point 11 /Placemark 12 /kml nbsp; 13 Type it into your text editor, such as Notepad, save the file as La Nef de Tavel.kml and then click on the KML file to open up Google Earth and see the aerial view of the huge, incredible Nef de Tavel..The KML text is quite simple to understand.The lines 1 and 2 show that this is a KML version 2.2 file, itself a version of XML. The Placemark beginning and end tags, line 3 and line 12, enclose the mininum information for a placemark, a name for the location, line 4, a description, in this case, line 5 to line 8, and a ponit, lines 9 to 11,which contains the placemark's coordinates. Note that the coordinates in decimal degrees are first the longitude and second ,the latitude. N and E are positive (+), S and W are negative,(-). If you open up my Shropshire Sundials KML file with a Right-Click and use your editor, you will see a number of KML features which I have used to produce the effects in Google Earth, including: *Icon Style - the gold icons for the placemarks *Balloon Style - which prescribe how the balloons created *Network Link - which links this KML file to another KML file *Placemark- like the Placemark for la Nef de Tavel but with two particular important features
Re: Shropshire Sundials And Google Earth
Phil Walker wrote: Back in December, Roger Bailey set us a challenge for 2009, to populate a sundial database and display the details using Google Earth. I rose to the challenge, in a small way, and here is the result on my website: www.shropshire-sundials.net I hope you to enjoy it. Roger also showed us how to start a sundial trail using Google Earth and in a later post more ideas on how to add content to the KML file. My approach was somewhat different, I decided to work directly with the KML language. KML stands for Keyhole Markup Language and is a simple, human-readable format used by Google Earth and now by other Earth browsers like Microsoft Virtual Earth and NASA WorldWind. KML 2.2 is now an international standard , located at www.opengeospatial.org. To give you an idea of what KML is like, here is a short snippet: ; line ?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'? 1 kml xmlns='http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2' 2 Placemark 3 nameLa Nef de Tavel/name 4 description 5 La Nef Solaire was built in 1993 at a motorway stop near Tavel in the Midi of France.6 Designed by sculptor Odile Mir and well-known gnomoniste Denis Savoie, this is one of the largest and interesting dials in the world 7. /description 8 Point 9 coordinates4.70031,44.0013/coordinates 10 /Point 11 /Placemark 12 /kml nbsp; 13 Type it into your text editor, such as Notepad, save the file as La Nef de Tavel.kml and then click on the KML file to open up Google Earth and see the aerial view of the huge, incredible Nef de Tavel..The KML text is quite simple to understand.The lines 1 and 2 show that this is a KML version 2.2 file, itself a version of XML. The Placemark beginning and end tags, line 3 and line 12, enclose the mininum information for a placemark, a name for the location, line 4, a description, in this case, line 5 to line 8, and a ponit, lines 9 to 11,which contains the placemark's coordinates. Note that the coordinates in decimal degrees are first the longitude and second ,the latitude. N and E are positive (+), S and W are negative,(-). If you open up my Shropshire Sundials KML file with a Right-Click and use your editor, you will see a number of KML features which I have used to produce the effects in Google Earth, including: *Icon Style - the gold icons for the placemarks *Balloon Style - which prescribe how the balloons created *Network Link - which links this KML file to another KML file *Placemark- like the Placemark for la Nef de Tavel but with two particular important features
Re: Shropshire Sundials And Google Earth
Phil Walker wrote: Back in December, Roger Bailey set us a challenge for 2009, to populate a sundial database and display the details using Google Earth. I rose to the challenge, in a small way, and here is the result on my website: www.shropshire-sundials.net I hope you to enjoy it. Roger also showed us how to start a sundial trail using Google Earth and in a later post more ideas on how to add content to the KML file. My approach was somewhat different, I decided to work directly with the KML language. KML stands for Keyhole Markup Language and is a simple, human-readable format used by Google Earth and now by other Earth browsers like Microsoft Virtual Earth and NASA WorldWind. KML 2.2 is now an international standard , located at www.opengeospatial.org. To give you an idea of what KML is like, here is a short snippet: ; line ?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'? 1 kml xmlns='http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2' 2 Placemark 3 nameLa Nef de Tavel/name 4 description 5 La Nef Solaire was built in 1993 at a motorway stop near Tavel in the Midi of France.6 Designed by sculptor Odile Mir and well-known gnomoniste Denis Savoie, this is one of the largest and interesting dials in the world 7. /description 8 Point 9 coordinates4.70031,44.0013/coordinates 10 /Point 11 /Placemark 12 /kml nbsp; 13 Type it into your text editor, such as Notepad, save the file as La Nef de Tavel.kml and then click on the KML file to open up Google Earth and see the aerial view of the huge, incredible Nef de Tavel..The KML text is quite simple to understand.The lines 1 and 2 show that this is a KML version 2.2 file, itself a version of XML. The Placemark beginning and end tags, line 3 and line 12, enclose the mininum information for a placemark, a name for the location, line 4, a description, in this case, line 5 to line 8, and a ponit, lines 9 to 11,which contains the placemark's coordinates. Note that the coordinates in decimal degrees are first the longitude and second ,the latitude. N and E are positive (+), S and W are negative,(-). If you open up my Shropshire Sundials KML file with a Right-Click and use your editor, you will see a number of KML features which I have used to produce the effects in Google Earth, including: *Icon Style - the gold icons for the placemarks *Balloon Style - which prescribe how the balloons created *Network Link - which links this KML file to another KML file *Placemark- like the Placemark for la Nef de Tavel but with two particular important features
Re: Shropshire Sundials And Google Earth
Richard, We have been thinking in the Netherlands of doing the same. But Google is too good! Many owners fear even the publishing of an address as a kind of invitation for people who would like to 'borrow' their sundial from the garden. For that reason we don't make the register available to the general public. If you can find the sundial using Google Earth you can even identify whether you should take the route to the backgarden, where the sundial is located, from the front or from the back of the house. If there would be a possibility to limit the zoom-in function a publishing through Google Earth could be considdered. (like Google Earth is somtimes doing with military objects) Thibaud Taudin Chabot ( I maintain the Dutch sundial database) At 14:17 28-4-2009, Richard Mallett wrote: For me, Google Earth uses too much memory / resources (even when Google Earth is embedded in the browser, as is required for Phil's site) so I am in the process of putting all the public sundials in the British Isles on Google Maps in the new BASS website (which is currently password protected during development, to hide it from the search engines) - I have already put up the public sundials in Kent (though I will be adding further details). I have been using the book by Sterling Udell, which is very good, and gives code examples, so that you only have to change the text and co-ordinates to suit. You can also embed Google Earth in Google Maps, for those people with flashy computers :-) Perhaps we can collaborate with people from other countries to produce a world map of public sundials ? My Maps in Google Maps has collaboration tools built in, so that many people can work on the same KML file. -- Richard Mallett Eaton Bray, Dunstable South Beds. UK --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- Th. Taudin Chabot, . tcha...@dds.nl --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Shropshire Sundials And Google Earth
Th. Taudin Chabot wrote: Richard, We have been thinking in the Netherlands of doing the same. But Google is too good! Many owners fear even the publishing of an address as a kind of invitation for people who would like to 'borrow' their sundial from the garden. For that reason we don't make the register available to the /general /public. If you can find the sundial using Google Earth you can even identify whether you should take the route to the backgarden, where the sundial is located, from the front or from the back of the house. If there would be a possibility to limit the zoom-in function a publishing through Google Earth could be considdered. (like Google Earth is somtimes doing with military objects) Thibaud Taudin Chabot ( I maintain the Dutch sundial database) On the BSS Register, we already have categories of open, restricted or private to denote their accessibility to the public. We only plan to publish details on the web of those dials that are already open to public view. We only sell the full register to members, and hope that copies do not find their way to outsiders. In Google Maps, you can limit the zoom level; but if the bad guys are determined enough, they can always find that location on the Google Maps home page, and zoom in further, of course. -- Richard Mallett Eaton Bray, Dunstable South Beds. UK --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
re sunrise
Greetings, fellow dialists, Thanks for confirming what I thought about the earliest time of sunrise to light a declining dial. In defence of my use of amplitude, meaning the sun's azimuth at sunrise and sunset may I quote the (British) Admiralty Navigation Manual, Vol. 3, 1938: Amplitude. At theoretical rising and setting the difference between 90 deg. and the azimuth is called the bearing amplitude. I seem to recall that ships' chartrooms used to carry tables of amplitude for compass checking purposes. Frank 55N 1W --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Interesting sundial in Japan
Hello All, Here is a dial in Japan that I thought some of you may find interesting: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sundial_bunkanomori_tokushima.jpg I have seen it a couple times in the past month while casually browsing for sundial pictures, but I have never been able to find a good description for it. Does anyone know about this dial? I would be interested in what some of you think is really going on here, since this is a pretty unique configuration. Best, Jim Tallman www.artisanindustrials.com jtall...@artisanindustrials.com --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Shropshire Sundials And Google Earth
confrere: Thibaud's comments about stealth sundials may have a ring of truth. The US Census is due in 2010 and is now being prepared. The other day two census workers came up to my porch. Their approach was announced by my security system and I opened the door before they had time to ring the doorbell. However, they were in the process using an electronic device and to their surprise I quickly linked their activity to taking a gps reading. It is true the census has dispatched a team just to take gps readings. I agree that it is cheaper than upgrading all of the bad maps. This week there was a follow-up crew verifying that the first crew had done their job. I asked about publication of the data and they didn't know. Anyway, I await the official census form in about a month and whether it will have my gps location on the form, and if the many personal questions will include if I have a sundial. Steve Yorktown VA USA At 09:05 AM 4/28/2009, Th. Taudin Chabot wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_16373140==.ALT Content-Disposition: Content-Transfer-Encoding: Richard, We have been thinking in the Netherlands of doing the same. But Google is too good! Many owners fear even the publishing of an address as a kind of invitation for people who would like to 'borrow' their sundial from the garden. For that reason we don't make the register available to the general public. If you can find the sundial using Google Earth you can even identify whether you should take the route to the backgarden, where the sundial is located, from the front or from the back of the house. If there would be a possibility to limit the zoom-in function a publishing through Google Earth could be considdered. (like Google Earth is somtimes doing with military objects) Thibaud Taudin Chabot ( I maintain the Dutch sundial database) At 14:17 28-4-2009, Richard Mallett wrote: For me, Google Earth uses too much memory / resources (even when Google Earth is embedded in the browser, as is required for Phil's site) so I am in the process of putting all the public sundials in the British Isles on Google Maps in the new BASS website (which is currently password protected during development, to hide it from the search engines) - I have already put up the public sundials in Kent (though I will be adding further details). I have been using the book by Sterling Udell, which is very good, and gives code examples, so that you only have to change the text and co-ordinates to suit. You can also embed Google Earth in Google Maps, for those people with flashy computers :-) Perhaps we can collaborate with people from other countries to produce a world map of public sundials ? My Maps in Google Maps has collaboration tools built in, so that many people can work on the same KML file. -- Richard Mallett Eaton Bray, Dunstable South Beds. UK --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- Th. Taudin Chabot, . tcha...@dds.nl E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.12160 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/http://www.pctools.com/internet-security/ --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.12160 http://www.pctools.com/en/internet-security/ --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Interesting sundial in Japan
It's real interesting, but what are the dots in the chapter ring that look like braile or maybe some kind of numeral notation? Notice that the gnomon's shadow is not visible on the stainless steel- at least in this photo. From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of J. Tallman Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:30 AM To: Sundial Mailing List Subject: Interesting sundial in Japan Hello All, Here is a dial in Japan that I thought some of you may find interesting: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sundial_bunkanomori_tokushima.jpg I have seen it a couple times in the past month while casually browsing for sundial pictures, but I have never been able to find a good description for it. Does anyone know about this dial? I would be interested in what some of you think is really going on here, since this is a pretty unique configuration. Best, Jim Tallman www.artisanindustrials.com jtall...@artisanindustrials.com --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Interesting sundial in Japan
Hi Jim, It is interesting. But in essence, I think, it's really just a variant armillary dial. If you slice away the night hours and replace the gnomon with a pole style, it all looks quite familiar. BTW, since the chapter ring isn't at right angles to the gnomon, I assume that there is a minor error in reading the time... best wishes, Peter Quoting J. Tallman jtall...@artisanindustrials.com: Hello All, Here is a dial in Japan that I thought some of you may find interesting: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sundial_bunkanomori_tokushima.jpg I have seen it a couple times in the past month while casually browsing for sundial pictures, but I have never been able to find a good description for it. Does anyone know about this dial? I would be interested in what some of you think is really going on here, since this is a pretty unique configuration. Best, Jim Tallman www.artisanindustrials.com jtall...@artisanindustrials.com -- Peter Mayer Politics Department The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8303 5606 Fax : +61 8 8303 3443 e-mail: peter.ma...@adelaide.edu.au CRICOS Provider Number 00123M --- This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: re sunrise
Thank you Frank, I was not aware of the narrow use of the term for the sun's azimuth at sunrise and sunset. Bowditch (American Practical Navigator: An Epitome of Navigation) defines the term amplitude a little more broadly as the angular distance north or south of the prime meridian ; the arc of the horizon or the angle at the zenith between the prime vertical and the vertical circle. I bow to your correct usage of the specific defined term and appreciate its usage. I tend to use just the general term azimuth. Regards, Roger Bailey -- From: Frank Evans frankev...@zooplankton.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:28 AM To: Sundial sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de Subject: re sunrise Greetings, fellow dialists, Thanks for confirming what I thought about the earliest time of sunrise to light a declining dial. In defence of my use of amplitude, meaning the sun's azimuth at sunrise and sunset may I quote the (British) Admiralty Navigation Manual, Vol. 3, 1938: Amplitude. At theoretical rising and setting the difference between 90 deg. and the azimuth is called the bearing amplitude. I seem to recall that ships' chartrooms used to carry tables of amplitude for compass checking purposes. Frank 55N 1W --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.6/2084 - Release Date: 04/28/09 06:15:00 --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Shropshire Sundials And Google Earth
Hello Richard, I am pleased to see that you are waymarking sundials in Britain. This will be an excellent resource. The member specific password protection is useful but it will not stop the clever thief/collector from joining the club to learn where the trophies are kept. I have been testing the open system www.waymarking.com and adding information to this open data base. It is quite useful and easy to use. Perhaps too easy as it suffers from the usual problem of user generated input. GIGO! There approval bar is set quite low. Anything submitted that looks like a sundial gets added. Many are garden variety junk but we cannot deny that these objects exist. I use started using Google Earth for the 3 dimensional aspects showing the hills where we hike. It plots our track logs very well. This 3d feature uses lots of computer resources and is unnecessary to sundials. Here the 2d maps and satellite images of Google maps or equivalent are all we need. I was used to creating and using kml files with Google Earth so I avoided learning how to use such files in the simpler Google Maps. Like computers sometimes I have to say Excuse me, my brain is full. Regards, Roger Bailey -- From: Richard Mallett 100114@compuserve.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:16 AM To: Phil Walker phil.wal...@sunandshadows.net Cc: Sundial List sundial@uni-koeln.de; Carl and Barbara Sabanski saban...@escape.ca; Eddie French efre...@jerseymail.co.uk; J P Lester john@tiscali.co.uk; nicolasever...@libero.it; Roger Bailey rtbai...@telus.net; Woody Sullivan (Earthdial) wo...@astro.washington.edu Subject: Re: Shropshire Sundials And Google Earth Phil Walker wrote: Back in December, Roger Bailey set us a challenge for 2009, to populate a sundial database and display the details using Google Earth. I rose to the challenge, in a small way, and here is the result on my website: www.shropshire-sundials.net I hope you to enjoy it. Roger also showed us how to start a sundial trail using Google Earth and in a later post more ideas on how to add content to the KML file. My approach was somewhat different, I decided to work directly with the KML language. KML stands for Keyhole Markup Language and is a simple, human-readable format used by Google Earth and now by other Earth browsers like Microsoft Virtual Earth and NASA WorldWind. KML 2.2 is now an international standard , located at www.opengeospatial.org. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Interesting sundial in Japan
MessageIt is an interesting realisation, but is it not just a vertical dial with the night hours added, and the style carried through beyond the plane of the dial plate, for 'artistic' effect? I agree the Braille/Morse/??? dots are a puzzle, though. John - Original Message - From: J. Tallman To: Sundial Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: Interesting sundial in Japan Hello All, Here is a dial in Japan that I thought some of you may find interesting: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sundial_bunkanomori_tokushima.jpg I have seen it a couple times in the past month while casually browsing for sundial pictures, but I have never been able to find a good description for it. Does anyone know about this dial? I would be interested in what some of you think is really going on here, since this is a pretty unique configuration. Best, Jim Tallman www.artisanindustrials.com jtall...@artisanindustrials.com -- --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
