Re: U.S. Senate approves bill to make daylight saving time permanent
Hello everyone, I don't know if this will affect us here in Hawaii, since we already stay on Hawaii Standard Time (GMT - 10) year round. The length of daylight doesn't vary enough over the year to make changing the clocks worth the trouble. In the early part of the 20th century Hawaii clocks were set to GMT - 10 1/2, which is close to mean solar time (mean solar noon at my location is 12:32 PM HST). But after WW 2 Hawaii was shoehorned into the time zone we use now. Nathaniel Shippen On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 12:56 PM Michael Ossipoff wrote: > Thanks for the good news that year-round DST is in process & might be > enacted. > > . > > Here’s why I prefer year-round DST to year-round ST: > > . > > 1. Being out in the dark in early morning is safer than being out in the > dark in the evening. > > . > > 2. Artificial lighting, and especially modern electric > artificial-lighting, has moved us very far from the Sun’s time. Year-round > DST would move us back closer to the Sun’s time. Yes, scientists, & > especially astronomers, dislike advanced-time, because it sounds inelegant. > But, for civil time, it seems to me that closeness to nature’s time is > more important. > > . > > Sure, people could just change their schedules in the early direction, > instead of changing the clocks. But how feasible would that be? Better to > just advance the clocks. > > > > I don’t believe in standard-time sundials. They make no sense to me. > Sundials are for Local True Solar Time. If you want clock-time, look at > a clock. …or correct sundial-time for EqT & longitude-correction. > > . > > Of course French Hours are what’s popular for Sundials, & also what I > prefer. > > . > > Temporary-Hours: In earlier centuries, in agricultural societies, it might > have had much practical value to measure the progress of the day by what > percentage of the day has passed. “The day (sunrise to sunset) is ¾ > past, & I’ve done ¾ of the plowing that I intended.” > > . > > But now, measuring the day by what percentage of it has passed feels, to > me, pessimistic, and an unproductive attitude. That isn’t something that > I want to know. So I prefer French Hours. > > . > > But, for me, a really deluxe Sundial would, additionally tell, in the > morning, how many equal-hours have passes since sunrise; &, in the > afternoon, how many equal-hours remain till sunset. The latter could be of > practical interest, & the former of interest too. > > > Michael Ossipoff > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:51 PM Steve Lelievre < > steve.lelievre.can...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> It seems the USA may be getting ready to abolish seasonal clock >> changes. The proposal has just passed in the Senate but still has to be >> accepted by the House of Representatives, so we can't celebrate yet. ( >> >> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/ >> ) >> >> If it happens, Canada would quickly follow. In fact, here in British >> Columbia it's already in law that we will switch to permanent DST once >> Washington (state), Oregon and California have switched. The EU is >> already on the same path but things have got bogged down with some >> member countries yet to decide which timezone to adopt. EU-wide >> preparations were further delayed due to the pandemic ( >> >> https://www.thelocal.it/20211029/clocks-to-go-back-in-italy-despite-eu-deal-on-scrapping-hour-change/ >> ). >> >> I would have preferred permanent Standard Time over permanent >> Daylight-saving Time but, even so, I hope the plans proceed. It will >> certainly simplify the my designs for Civil Time sundials and Equation >> Of Time signage. >> >> Cheers, Steve >> >> --- >> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >> >> --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: U.S. Senate approves bill to make daylight saving time permanent
Thanks for the good news that year-round DST is in process & might be enacted. . Here’s why I prefer year-round DST to year-round ST: . 1. Being out in the dark in early morning is safer than being out in the dark in the evening. . 2. Artificial lighting, and especially modern electric artificial-lighting, has moved us very far from the Sun’s time. Year-round DST would move us back closer to the Sun’s time. Yes, scientists, & especially astronomers, dislike advanced-time, because it sounds inelegant. But, for civil time, it seems to me that closeness to nature’s time is more important. . Sure, people could just change their schedules in the early direction, instead of changing the clocks. But how feasible would that be? Better to just advance the clocks. I don’t believe in standard-time sundials. They make no sense to me. Sundials are for Local True Solar Time. If you want clock-time, look at a clock. …or correct sundial-time for EqT & longitude-correction. . Of course French Hours are what’s popular for Sundials, & also what I prefer. . Temporary-Hours: In earlier centuries, in agricultural societies, it might have had much practical value to measure the progress of the day by what percentage of the day has passed. “The day (sunrise to sunset) is ¾ past, & I’ve done ¾ of the plowing that I intended.” . But now, measuring the day by what percentage of it has passed feels, to me, pessimistic, and an unproductive attitude. That isn’t something that I want to know. So I prefer French Hours. . But, for me, a really deluxe Sundial would, additionally tell, in the morning, how many equal-hours have passes since sunrise; &, in the afternoon, how many equal-hours remain till sunset. The latter could be of practical interest, & the former of interest too. Michael Ossipoff On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:51 PM Steve Lelievre < steve.lelievre.can...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It seems the USA may be getting ready to abolish seasonal clock > changes. The proposal has just passed in the Senate but still has to be > accepted by the House of Representatives, so we can't celebrate yet. ( > > https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/ > ) > > If it happens, Canada would quickly follow. In fact, here in British > Columbia it's already in law that we will switch to permanent DST once > Washington (state), Oregon and California have switched. The EU is > already on the same path but things have got bogged down with some > member countries yet to decide which timezone to adopt. EU-wide > preparations were further delayed due to the pandemic ( > > https://www.thelocal.it/20211029/clocks-to-go-back-in-italy-despite-eu-deal-on-scrapping-hour-change/ > ). > > I would have preferred permanent Standard Time over permanent > Daylight-saving Time but, even so, I hope the plans proceed. It will > certainly simplify the my designs for Civil Time sundials and Equation > Of Time signage. > > Cheers, Steve > > --- > https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > > --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
U.S. Senate approves bill to make daylight saving time permanent
It seems the USA may be getting ready to abolish seasonal clock changes. The proposal has just passed in the Senate but still has to be accepted by the House of Representatives, so we can't celebrate yet. ( https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/ ) If it happens, Canada would quickly follow. In fact, here in British Columbia it's already in law that we will switch to permanent DST once Washington (state), Oregon and California have switched. The EU is already on the same path but things have got bogged down with some member countries yet to decide which timezone to adopt. EU-wide preparations were further delayed due to the pandemic ( https://www.thelocal.it/20211029/clocks-to-go-back-in-italy-despite-eu-deal-on-scrapping-hour-change/ ). I would have preferred permanent Standard Time over permanent Daylight-saving Time but, even so, I hope the plans proceed. It will certainly simplify the my designs for Civil Time sundials and Equation Of Time signage. Cheers, Steve --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
