In Regards to Mr. Carmichael,
hello again,
I did not tell anyone at anytime to shut up. _*"But none of us EVER tells anyone on the list to shut up.*__**__*How rude was that!*_ " If you have found something in your search where I have said that then you show me, but until then don't be making things up just to make your complaint. I was not being rude I simply made a comment on this long running train story.

As for the old email you are taking it out of context to the subject that was at hand, it was not said in in any form of emotion. It was said in answer to a conversation regarding fear over some problem with FedEx at the time (not sundials) that I honestly don't remember the details about.

Instead of commenting on a very old email why didn't you put in what I said on this email? *"hi do you think we could get past this guys train set? this is beginning to be a bit of a stretch for the subject at hand."* I think that says it all. It has been going on for for quite a few emails. There is nothing wrong with what he did with a little sundial. Its just that it really was more about his train building accomplishment. I think you are taking this a little too personal. Also I wasn't aware of any strict "sundial rules" as you put it either and I didn't know that I had to be "known" by You not We as you put it, to make a simple comment in regard to _any_ of these email listings. It sounds a bit snobbish on your part to put it that way.

I on the other hand have great respect for this project of emails and it has taught me much more about the subject of various sundials around the world and in history. I look forward to every email that comes through on the subject, I find them very exciting each time because I get to see more of what has been created in this craft. I have also had conversations with others in the emails regarding information on certain types of sundials.

Lastly I would like to remind someone of your learned stature that it is very sad that you had to dig around for an old email and then faintly suggest that I was ignorant and uneducated just to poke a stick at me because you assume that I don't have an interest in someones train set. The train set was quite an achievement. It is very obvious that a lot of labor and love went into it. Now, with all this being said I hope we can put this behind us. I have incredible respect for the people that enter information in this series of emails including you and will be honored to even know a small percentage of what is given here in creating, repairing, and teaching others of the world of Sundials.

yours respectfully,
Jim Senato
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:03:53 +1100
From: "John Pickard" <john.pick...@bigpond.com>
To: <sund...@rrz.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: sundial Digest, Vol 85, Issue 28
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C'mon John,

Don't hold back, tell us what you really think! Lovely response that was 
warranted by the rather silly and quite rude post by Mr Senato.

Of course, you realise that Mr Senato is just a troll getting cheap thrills by 
being offensive on the list.

Cheers, John

John Pickard
john.pick...@bigpond.com

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: John Carmichael
   To: 'jim senato' ; sundial@uni-koeln.de
   Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:32 PM
   Subject: RE: sundial Digest, Vol 85, Issue 28


   Hello Mr. Senato:

   Do we know you?  I searched my inbox archive and see that you have only 
written one letter previously to the Sundial List back in 2011.  In that letter 
you talk about FED EX and not sundials.  See copy of your letter below.

   Let me respectfully clue you in on a few things.

   I have been on this mailing list for about 15 years I think, and as far as I know, 
there is no rule that we must only respond to the "subject at hand".  If this 
were the case, then no new subjects would ever appear. Often, several sundial-related 
subjects are discussed on the same day.  However, since it is the Sundial List, most of 
us do try to limit our subjects to sundial related matter.

   My last  letter was obviously about a sundial (a famous one by Tony Moss at that), and 
it included the best existing photos of that sundial as well as a photo of one of 
America's only stained glass sundials.  It was NOT about a "train set".  I 
don't think I broke any Sundial List rules, and lots of people wrote to tell me they 
liked seeing the sundial  photographs.

   The courteous thing for you to do would be to simply ignore letters that 
don't interest you.  We all do that.  But none of us EVER tells anyone on the 
list to shut up.  How rude was that!

   Think before you type.

   Sincerely,

   "that guy"

   p.s. You might want to do a grammar and spelling check on your letters 
before you send them.  I'd be embarrassed if I were you.  They make you look 
ignorant and uneducated.

   Letter from Jim Senato sent on 10/29/1011

   let these people know   to call fedex next time
   why would you actually go as far as filling out a form????
   call if you arent sure        wouldnt you know if you were tracking a package
   without  filling out something    tell them to use some common sense
   this is not a big threat

   --



   Jim Senato

   Kansas City Personal Computers

   7106 Larsen

   Shawnee, KS 66203

   913 438 5272

   John L. Carmichael

   Sundial Sculptures

   925 E. Foothills Dr.

   Tucson AZ 85718-4716

   USA

   Tel: 520-6961709

   Email: jlcarmich...@comcast.net

   My Websites:

   (business) Sundial Sculptures: http://www.sundialsculptures.com

   (educational) Chinook Trail Sundial: 
http://advanceassociates.com/Sundials/COSprings/

   (educational) Earth & Sky Equatorial Sundial: 
http://advanceassociates.com/Sundials/Earth-Sky_Dial/

   (educational) My Painted Wall Sundial: 
http://www.advanceassociates.com/WallDial

   (educational) Painted Wall Sundials: 
http://advanceassociates.com/WallDial/PWS_Home.html

   (educational) Stained Glass Sundials: http://www.stainedglasssundials.com

   (educational) Sundial Cupolas, Towers & Turrets: 
http://StainedGlassSundials.com/CupolaSundial/index.html

   From: sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of jim senato
   Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:03 PM
   To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
   Subject: Re: sundial Digest, Vol 85, Issue 28

   hi do you think we could get past this guys trainset?  this is beginning to 
be a bit of a stretch for the subject at hand.

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Message: 1Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 02:15:21 -0800 (PST)From: Douglas Vogt <dbv...@yahoo.com>To: 
"sundial@uni-koeln.de" <sundial@uni-koeln.de>Subject: Re: Man climbs Monumental Railway SundialMessage-ID:  
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That's rather neat. Of course the reason for the climb is the guy has no watch.!
 A!
  re there any plans for that sundial? It looks like something buildable on a small 
lathe - (a scale model of course!).   ________________________________ From: John 
Carmichael <jlcarmich...@comcast.net>To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Wednesday, 
January 23, 2013 11:52 PMSubject: Man climbs Monumental Railway Sundial  A man somehow 
has managed to climb 30 feet up a shear vertical stone pinnacle to see this Monumental 
Railway 
Sundial!?See:??http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlcarmichael/8410528376/sizes/l/in/set-72157632430552837/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlcarmichael/8410528452/sizes/l/in/set-72157632430552837/ 
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