Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay
You can stay on that soap box as long as you like Dave, if those are the comments you want to make :) Some customers with heavy TV style requirements are currently trialling Sun Ray with LCD screens that take in a TV feed separately from the computer feed. I can't remember off the top of my head what that feature is called, but it works well - 'computer' stuff fills the screen and is all thin client friendly. TV feeds such as Bloombeg and CNN sit in a separate window in the LCD screen and don't impact the thin client setup's bandwidth or performance - best of both worlds. I know this isn't practical for every customer environment and it would be great if Sun Ray did everything a PC can do *and* was a zero admin device, but sometimes you need a bit of creative thinking. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Start soapbox) I Have close to 1400 Sun Ray DTU's in operation. We have tested video on everything from E420R's to SF4800 systems. The bottom line is that the Sun Ray is the best time share device on the planet. To define time share, if you have a 100 users, only 10-20% normally are using their desktop at any given instance. The other 80-90% are reading a web page,typing an e-mail, or talking to there cube mate. 100 users watching a video streaming of cnn.com does not fall into the time share model. Video would work if the users dont mind a 2 inch screen, but that is not practical. There are methods to watch cnn with streaming video, the best method it to buy a TV. A Ultra 20 desktop with a Dual Core Opteron with 2GB of RAM streams video quite well, however our company policy forbids all streaming audio and video. Bandwidth is simply to valuable to waste. I do agree that this would be a great future upgrade for the DTU's, but Im a SPARC loyalist where the real Heavy Iron Exist. A nd! if you want the best reason as to why the Sun Ray is the best time share device, we manage the 1400 Sun Rays (With Solaris and Windows Remote Desktops) with 2 administrators. Try that for TCO. (Sorry, end soapbox) Dave From: Craig Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/20 Mon PM 06:11:56 EST To: SunRay-Users mailing list sunray-users@filibeto.org Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay Not trying to flame just educate. Conversation is always good. What I would ask is how does one manage thousands of those devices that boots a Linux 2.6.12 kernel. Sun Rays take a different approach. Zero admin of the desktop, and 100 percent server based computing. Somethings, such as video, are just not going to work as well. Not to say we're not investigating how to make it better. Paul Matthews wrote: I'm not sure about a 100Mhz PC but its running on these 200Mhz units - but whether that includes video I'm not sure http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7499590573.html As for the details this article explains the approach to X compression http://www.nomachine.com/documentation/html/NX-XProtocolCompression.html Again, I realise I could be getting close to being flamed for suggesting something that I don't know a great deal about but I thought it worth pointing out in case the Sun engineers are looking for ways to reduce X traffic and had perhaps not heard of the techniques used by this company Craig Bender wrote: Exactly. The Sun Ray only has a 100 Mhz processor. Find a 100 Mhz PC and try to 1) load and OS on it and they try to run NoMachine on it. Jerry Callison wrote: Perhaps it should be renamed to OneMachine? Craig Bender wrote: How much of an OS do you need to use Nomachine? Paul Matthews wrote: I know I've mentioned this product before but the video output on NoMachine NX (http://www.nomachine.com) is very good. I'm not sure of the scale of rework involved (or any other compatibility issues for that matter) but I would guess the same thin client compression technology on Sun Rays could maybe solve a lot of these bandwidth problems Paul Christopher Saul wrote: Video is not a wonderful user experience on any true thin client I've tried recently. Anyone who's rendering all their video on the server is going to run into issues. Full screen video simply isn't Sun Ray's target market. What Sun did with Sun Forum, as I understand it, was to make it work better with Sun Ray by having it bypass the X Server and talk directly over the wire to the DTUs. Craig Bender can probably provide a bit more technical detail! Chris Leigh Porter wrote: To summerise: Video is crap on Sunrays... So, how did Sun make it work with their video conferencing tools? Does anybody have any results using this? Thanks, Leigh David Hunnisett wrote: got mythtv running on a sunray this weekend if the window was small things were ok but the colors were totally wrong pink came out as blue (so people look a little odd) On 19 Feb 2006, at 23:12, Leigh Porter wrote: I have tried VLC and Realplayer, they both work ok with very small video windows (i.e. scaled
Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay
I think controlling the content is the missing piece of the puzzle. You could do this with television/DVD/etc (at least play / don't play) it wouldn't really work with web based content. Christopher Saul wrote: I've dug the info up - From a colleague's recent email - 'A lot of customers say We want to watch TV (like CNN or other news channels) on the Sun Ray. Is this possible?. I guess you now the answer: YES! Not via the sun ray server but with some special displays having a Picture-in-Picture feature. There are some available from EIZO, Samsung, etc (just google around). These displays can show tv in a small box over the video signal of the sun ray.' Chris Marcus Young wrote: Chris, I would be very ionterested in this option - do you have any details? Marcus On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:47:12 +0400, Christopher Saul wrote You can stay on that soap box as long as you like Dave, if those are the comments you want to make :) Some customers with heavy TV style requirements are currently trialling Sun Ray with LCD screens that take in a TV feed separately from the computer feed. I can't remember off the top of my head what that feature is called, but it works well - 'computer' stuff fills the screen and is all thin client friendly. TV feeds such as Bloombeg and CNN sit in a separate window in the LCD screen and don't impact the thin client setup's bandwidth or performance - best of both worlds. I know this isn't practical for every customer environment and it would be great if Sun Ray did everything a PC can do *and* was a zero admin device, but sometimes you need a bit of creative thinking. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Start soapbox) I Have close to 1400 Sun Ray DTU's in operation. We have tested video on everything from E420R's to SF4800 systems. The bottom line is that the Sun Ray is the best time share device on the planet. To define time share, if you have a 100 users, only 10-20% normally are using their desktop at any given instance. The other 80-90% are reading a web page,typing an e-mail, or talking to there cube mate. 100 users watching a video streaming of cnn.com does not fall into the time share model. Video would work if the users dont mind a 2 inch screen, but that is not practical. There are methods to watch cnn with streaming video, the best method it to buy a TV. A Ultra 20 desktop with a Dual Core Opteron with 2GB of RAM streams video quite well, however our company policy forbids all streaming audio and video. Bandwidth is simply to valuable to waste. I do agree that this would be a great future upgrade for the DTU's, but Im a SPARC loyalist where the real Heavy Iron Exist. A nd! if you want the best reason as to why the Sun Ray is the best time share device, we manage the 1400 Sun Rays (With Solaris and Windows Remote Desktops) with 2 administrators. Try that for TCO. (Sorry, end soapbox) Dave From: Craig Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/20 Mon PM 06:11:56 EST To: SunRay-Users mailing list sunray-users@filibeto.org Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay Not trying to flame just educate. Conversation is always good. What I would ask is how does one manage thousands of those devices that boots a Linux 2.6.12 kernel. Sun Rays take a different approach. Zero admin of the desktop, and 100 percent server based computing. Somethings, such as video, are just not going to work as well. Not to say we're not investigating how to make it better. Paul Matthews wrote: I'm not sure about a 100Mhz PC but its running on these 200Mhz units - but whether that includes video I'm not sure http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7499590573.html As for the details this article explains the approach to X compression http://www.nomachine.com/documentation/html/NX-XProtocolCompression.html Again, I realise I could be getting close to being flamed for suggesting something that I don't know a great deal about but I thought it worth pointing out in case the Sun engineers are looking for ways to reduce X traffic and had perhaps not heard of the techniques used by this company Craig Bender wrote: Exactly. The Sun Ray only has a 100 Mhz processor. Find a 100 Mhz PC and try to 1) load and OS on it and they try to run NoMachine on it. Jerry Callison wrote: Perhaps it should be renamed to OneMachine? Craig Bender wrote: How much of an OS do you need to use Nomachine? Paul Matthews wrote: I know I've mentioned this product before but the video output on NoMachine NX (http://www.nomachine.com) is very good. I'm not sure of the scale of rework involved (or any other compatibility issues for that matter) but I would guess the same thin client compression technology on Sun Rays could maybe solve a lot of these bandwidth problems Paul Christopher Saul wrote: Video is not a wonderful user experience on any true thin client I've tried recently. Anyone who's rendering all their video on the server is going
Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay
Video is not a wonderful user experience on any true thin client I've tried recently. Anyone who's rendering all their video on the server is going to run into issues. Full screen video simply isn't Sun Ray's target market. What Sun did with Sun Forum, as I understand it, was to make it work better with Sun Ray by having it bypass the X Server and talk directly over the wire to the DTUs. Craig Bender can probably provide a bit more technical detail! Chris Leigh Porter wrote: To summerise: Video is crap on Sunrays... So, how did Sun make it work with their video conferencing tools? Does anybody have any results using this? Thanks, Leigh David Hunnisett wrote: got mythtv running on a sunray this weekend if the window was small things were ok but the colors were totally wrong pink came out as blue (so people look a little odd) On 19 Feb 2006, at 23:12, Leigh Porter wrote: I have tried VLC and Realplayer, they both work ok with very small video windows (i.e. scaled down) but anything larger just sucks. It'd be cool if there was some magic that detected video and did something even more magic to make it just work nicely. That way you;d not need a special video player to play video to a SunRay, it'd just know that this screen area was rapidly changing, assume video and the rest would be magic. /me orders one bag of magic pixie dust from Ebay -- Leigh On 19 Feb 2006, at 22:02, Lars Tunkrans wrote: Hi, I have been playing with video on SunRays over the weekend. Server is a MSI K8 Neo2 FIR MOBO with a 4800+ dualcore 2.4 GHZ Athlon64 cpu and 1 GB RAM. Solaris 10u1with SRSS 3.1 is installed. Companion CD is installed. I downloaded the Mplayer 1.07try2 source and built it with /usr/sfw/bin/gcc -mtune=k8 -march=k8 Downloaded a bunch of codecs and built it so it Mplayer can play MPEG , Windows Media, Real media and LIVE streams. Downloaded the MplayerPlugin for mozilla and friends and Gmaked it. Also compiled in Xvideo support to run on the Nvidia VGA screen. Doesnt run on sunrays though. Xvideo in fullscreen mode on the Geforce6800 is cool ;- ) Of the output formats that Mplayer supplies it seems that SDL is the only one that runs on SunRay. Xv, x11 ,or openGL does not work for me. After deployment of the MplayerPlugin I can play video-on demand streams from cnn.comand cmt.comon the sunray. both of these are in Windows Media Format. This would not work on a SPARC platform I suppose because of the X86 codecs. When I play a video stream from www.cmt.com I seem to use about a fifth of a CPU. so theoretical maximum on this PC server would be 10 concurrent sunrays using video. This should translate to 15 -18 concurrent videos streams on a X4200 I begin to see why people on this list are moaning about video performance :-) How does this result compare to yours ? Regards Lars Tunkrans ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Christopher Saul Engagement Architect, Desktop RFID Sun Microsystems SEE Mobile: +971 50 650 7041 Office: +971 4 366 2634 Ext: x12634 ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay
I know I've mentioned this product before but the video output on NoMachine NX (http://www.nomachine.com) is very good. I'm not sure of the scale of rework involved (or any other compatibility issues for that matter) but I would guess the same thin client compression technology on Sun Rays could maybe solve a lot of these bandwidth problems Paul Christopher Saul wrote: Video is not a wonderful user experience on any true thin client I've tried recently. Anyone who's rendering all their video on the server is going to run into issues. Full screen video simply isn't Sun Ray's target market. What Sun did with Sun Forum, as I understand it, was to make it work better with Sun Ray by having it bypass the X Server and talk directly over the wire to the DTUs. Craig Bender can probably provide a bit more technical detail! Chris Leigh Porter wrote: To summerise: Video is crap on Sunrays... So, how did Sun make it work with their video conferencing tools? Does anybody have any results using this? Thanks, Leigh David Hunnisett wrote: got mythtv running on a sunray this weekend if the window was small things were ok but the colors were totally wrong pink came out as blue (so people look a little odd) On 19 Feb 2006, at 23:12, Leigh Porter wrote: I have tried VLC and Realplayer, they both work ok with very small video windows (i.e. scaled down) but anything larger just sucks. It'd be cool if there was some magic that detected video and did something even more magic to make it just work nicely. That way you;d not need a special video player to play video to a SunRay, it'd just know that this screen area was rapidly changing, assume video and the rest would be magic. /me orders one bag of magic pixie dust from Ebay -- Leigh On 19 Feb 2006, at 22:02, Lars Tunkrans wrote: Hi, I have been playing with video on SunRays over the weekend. Server is a MSI K8 Neo2 FIR MOBO with a 4800+ dualcore 2.4 GHZ Athlon64 cpu and 1 GB RAM. Solaris 10u1with SRSS 3.1 is installed. Companion CD is installed. I downloaded the Mplayer 1.07try2 source and built it with /usr/sfw/bin/gcc -mtune=k8 -march=k8 Downloaded a bunch of codecs and built it so it Mplayer can play MPEG , Windows Media, Real media and LIVE streams. Downloaded the MplayerPlugin for mozilla and friends and Gmaked it. Also compiled in Xvideo support to run on the Nvidia VGA screen. Doesnt run on sunrays though. Xvideo in fullscreen mode on the Geforce6800 is cool ;- ) Of the output formats that Mplayer supplies it seems that SDL is the only one that runs on SunRay. Xv, x11 ,or openGL does not work for me. After deployment of the MplayerPlugin I can play video-on demand streams from cnn.comand cmt.comon the sunray. both of these are in Windows Media Format. This would not work on a SPARC platform I suppose because of the X86 codecs. When I play a video stream from www.cmt.com I seem to use about a fifth of a CPU. so theoretical maximum on this PC server would be 10 concurrent sunrays using video. This should translate to 15 -18 concurrent videos streams on a X4200 I begin to see why people on this list are moaning about video performance :-) How does this result compare to yours ? Regards Lars Tunkrans ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay
How much of an OS do you need to use Nomachine? Paul Matthews wrote: I know I've mentioned this product before but the video output on NoMachine NX (http://www.nomachine.com) is very good. I'm not sure of the scale of rework involved (or any other compatibility issues for that matter) but I would guess the same thin client compression technology on Sun Rays could maybe solve a lot of these bandwidth problems Paul Christopher Saul wrote: Video is not a wonderful user experience on any true thin client I've tried recently. Anyone who's rendering all their video on the server is going to run into issues. Full screen video simply isn't Sun Ray's target market. What Sun did with Sun Forum, as I understand it, was to make it work better with Sun Ray by having it bypass the X Server and talk directly over the wire to the DTUs. Craig Bender can probably provide a bit more technical detail! Chris Leigh Porter wrote: To summerise: Video is crap on Sunrays... So, how did Sun make it work with their video conferencing tools? Does anybody have any results using this? Thanks, Leigh David Hunnisett wrote: got mythtv running on a sunray this weekend if the window was small things were ok but the colors were totally wrong pink came out as blue (so people look a little odd) On 19 Feb 2006, at 23:12, Leigh Porter wrote: I have tried VLC and Realplayer, they both work ok with very small video windows (i.e. scaled down) but anything larger just sucks. It'd be cool if there was some magic that detected video and did something even more magic to make it just work nicely. That way you;d not need a special video player to play video to a SunRay, it'd just know that this screen area was rapidly changing, assume video and the rest would be magic. /me orders one bag of magic pixie dust from Ebay -- Leigh On 19 Feb 2006, at 22:02, Lars Tunkrans wrote: Hi, I have been playing with video on SunRays over the weekend. Server is a MSI K8 Neo2 FIR MOBO with a 4800+ dualcore 2.4 GHZ Athlon64 cpu and 1 GB RAM. Solaris 10u1with SRSS 3.1 is installed. Companion CD is installed. I downloaded the Mplayer 1.07try2 source and built it with /usr/sfw/bin/gcc -mtune=k8 -march=k8 Downloaded a bunch of codecs and built it so it Mplayer can play MPEG , Windows Media, Real media and LIVE streams. Downloaded the MplayerPlugin for mozilla and friends and Gmaked it. Also compiled in Xvideo support to run on the Nvidia VGA screen. Doesnt run on sunrays though. Xvideo in fullscreen mode on the Geforce6800 is cool ;- ) Of the output formats that Mplayer supplies it seems that SDL is the only one that runs on SunRay. Xv, x11 ,or openGL does not work for me. After deployment of the MplayerPlugin I can play video-on demand streams from cnn.comand cmt.comon the sunray. both of these are in Windows Media Format. This would not work on a SPARC platform I suppose because of the X86 codecs. When I play a video stream from www.cmt.com I seem to use about a fifth of a CPU. so theoretical maximum on this PC server would be 10 concurrent sunrays using video. This should translate to 15 -18 concurrent videos streams on a X4200 I begin to see why people on this list are moaning about video performance :-) How does this result compare to yours ? Regards Lars Tunkrans ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay
Perhaps it should be renamed to OneMachine? Craig Bender wrote: How much of an OS do you need to use Nomachine? Paul Matthews wrote: I know I've mentioned this product before but the video output on NoMachine NX (http://www.nomachine.com) is very good. I'm not sure of the scale of rework involved (or any other compatibility issues for that matter) but I would guess the same thin client compression technology on Sun Rays could maybe solve a lot of these bandwidth problems Paul Christopher Saul wrote: Video is not a wonderful user experience on any true thin client I've tried recently. Anyone who's rendering all their video on the server is going to run into issues. Full screen video simply isn't Sun Ray's target market. What Sun did with Sun Forum, as I understand it, was to make it work better with Sun Ray by having it bypass the X Server and talk directly over the wire to the DTUs. Craig Bender can probably provide a bit more technical detail! Chris Leigh Porter wrote: To summerise: Video is crap on Sunrays... So, how did Sun make it work with their video conferencing tools? Does anybody have any results using this? Thanks, Leigh David Hunnisett wrote: got mythtv running on a sunray this weekend if the window was small things were ok but the colors were totally wrong pink came out as blue (so people look a little odd) On 19 Feb 2006, at 23:12, Leigh Porter wrote: I have tried VLC and Realplayer, they both work ok with very small video windows (i.e. scaled down) but anything larger just sucks. It'd be cool if there was some magic that detected video and did something even more magic to make it just work nicely. That way you;d not need a special video player to play video to a SunRay, it'd just know that this screen area was rapidly changing, assume video and the rest would be magic. /me orders one bag of magic pixie dust from Ebay -- Leigh On 19 Feb 2006, at 22:02, Lars Tunkrans wrote: Hi, I have been playing with video on SunRays over the weekend. Server is a MSI K8 Neo2 FIR MOBO with a 4800+ dualcore 2.4 GHZ Athlon64 cpu and 1 GB RAM. Solaris 10u1with SRSS 3.1 is installed. Companion CD is installed. I downloaded the Mplayer 1.07try2 source and built it with /usr/sfw/bin/gcc -mtune=k8 -march=k8 Downloaded a bunch of codecs and built it so it Mplayer can play MPEG , Windows Media, Real media and LIVE streams. Downloaded the MplayerPlugin for mozilla and friends and Gmaked it. Also compiled in Xvideo support to run on the Nvidia VGA screen. Doesnt run on sunrays though. Xvideo in fullscreen mode on the Geforce6800 is cool ;- ) Of the output formats that Mplayer supplies it seems that SDL is the only one that runs on SunRay. Xv, x11 ,or openGL does not work for me. After deployment of the MplayerPlugin I can play video-on demand streams from cnn.comand cmt.comon the sunray. both of these are in Windows Media Format. This would not work on a SPARC platform I suppose because of the X86 codecs. When I play a video stream from www.cmt.com I seem to use about a fifth of a CPU. so theoretical maximum on this PC server would be 10 concurrent sunrays using video. This should translate to 15 -18 concurrent videos streams on a X4200 I begin to see why people on this list are moaning about video performance :-) How does this result compare to yours ? Regards Lars Tunkrans ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay
Not trying to flame just educate. Conversation is always good. What I would ask is how does one manage thousands of those devices that boots a Linux 2.6.12 kernel. Sun Rays take a different approach. Zero admin of the desktop, and 100 percent server based computing. Somethings, such as video, are just not going to work as well. Not to say we're not investigating how to make it better. Paul Matthews wrote: I'm not sure about a 100Mhz PC but its running on these 200Mhz units - but whether that includes video I'm not sure http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7499590573.html As for the details this article explains the approach to X compression http://www.nomachine.com/documentation/html/NX-XProtocolCompression.html Again, I realise I could be getting close to being flamed for suggesting something that I don't know a great deal about but I thought it worth pointing out in case the Sun engineers are looking for ways to reduce X traffic and had perhaps not heard of the techniques used by this company Craig Bender wrote: Exactly. The Sun Ray only has a 100 Mhz processor. Find a 100 Mhz PC and try to 1) load and OS on it and they try to run NoMachine on it. Jerry Callison wrote: Perhaps it should be renamed to OneMachine? Craig Bender wrote: How much of an OS do you need to use Nomachine? Paul Matthews wrote: I know I've mentioned this product before but the video output on NoMachine NX (http://www.nomachine.com) is very good. I'm not sure of the scale of rework involved (or any other compatibility issues for that matter) but I would guess the same thin client compression technology on Sun Rays could maybe solve a lot of these bandwidth problems Paul Christopher Saul wrote: Video is not a wonderful user experience on any true thin client I've tried recently. Anyone who's rendering all their video on the server is going to run into issues. Full screen video simply isn't Sun Ray's target market. What Sun did with Sun Forum, as I understand it, was to make it work better with Sun Ray by having it bypass the X Server and talk directly over the wire to the DTUs. Craig Bender can probably provide a bit more technical detail! Chris Leigh Porter wrote: To summerise: Video is crap on Sunrays... So, how did Sun make it work with their video conferencing tools? Does anybody have any results using this? Thanks, Leigh David Hunnisett wrote: got mythtv running on a sunray this weekend if the window was small things were ok but the colors were totally wrong pink came out as blue (so people look a little odd) On 19 Feb 2006, at 23:12, Leigh Porter wrote: I have tried VLC and Realplayer, they both work ok with very small video windows (i.e. scaled down) but anything larger just sucks. It'd be cool if there was some magic that detected video and did something even more magic to make it just work nicely. That way you;d not need a special video player to play video to a SunRay, it'd just know that this screen area was rapidly changing, assume video and the rest would be magic. /me orders one bag of magic pixie dust from Ebay -- Leigh On 19 Feb 2006, at 22:02, Lars Tunkrans wrote: Hi, I have been playing with video on SunRays over the weekend. Server is a MSI K8 Neo2 FIR MOBO with a 4800+ dualcore 2.4 GHZ Athlon64 cpu and 1 GB RAM. Solaris 10u1with SRSS 3.1 is installed. Companion CD is installed. I downloaded the Mplayer 1.07try2 source and built it with /usr/sfw/bin/gcc -mtune=k8 -march=k8 Downloaded a bunch of codecs and built it so it Mplayer can play MPEG , Windows Media, Real media and LIVE streams. Downloaded the MplayerPlugin for mozilla and friends and Gmaked it. Also compiled in Xvideo support to run on the Nvidia VGA screen. Doesnt run on sunrays though. Xvideo in fullscreen mode on the Geforce6800 is cool ;- ) Of the output formats that Mplayer supplies it seems that SDL is the only one that runs on SunRay. Xv, x11 ,or openGL does not work for me. After deployment of the MplayerPlugin I can play video-on demand streams from cnn.comand cmt.comon the sunray. both of these are in Windows Media Format. This would not work on a SPARC platform I suppose because of the X86 codecs. When I play a video stream from www.cmt.com I seem to use about a fifth of a CPU. so theoretical maximum on this PC server would be 10 concurrent sunrays using video. This should translate to 15 -18 concurrent videos streams on a X4200 I begin to see why people on this list are moaning about video performance :-) How does this result compare to yours ? Regards Lars Tunkrans ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users ___ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org
Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay
(Start soapbox) I Have close to 1400 Sun Ray DTU's in operation. We have tested video on everything from E420R's to SF4800 systems. The bottom line is that the Sun Ray is the best time share device on the planet. To define time share, if you have a 100 users, only 10-20% normally are using their desktop at any given instance. The other 80-90% are reading a web page,typing an e-mail, or talking to there cube mate. 100 users watching a video streaming of cnn.com does not fall into the time share model. Video would work if the users dont mind a 2 inch screen, but that is not practical. There are methods to watch cnn with streaming video, the best method it to buy a TV. A Ultra 20 desktop with a Dual Core Opteron with 2GB of RAM streams video quite well, however our company policy forbids all streaming audio and video. Bandwidth is simply to valuable to waste. I do agree that this would be a great future upgrade for the DTU's, but Im a SPARC loyalist where the real Heavy Iron Exist. And! if you want the best reason as to why the Sun Ray is the best time share device, we manage the 1400 Sun Rays (With Solaris and Windows Remote Desktops) with 2 administrators. Try that for TCO. (Sorry, end soapbox) Dave From: Craig Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/20 Mon PM 06:11:56 EST To: SunRay-Users mailing list sunray-users@filibeto.org Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay Not trying to flame just educate. Conversation is always good. What I would ask is how does one manage thousands of those devices that boots a Linux 2.6.12 kernel. Sun Rays take a different approach. Zero admin of the desktop, and 100 percent server based computing. Somethings, such as video, are just not going to work as well. Not to say we're not investigating how to make it better. Paul Matthews wrote: I'm not sure about a 100Mhz PC but its running on these 200Mhz units - but whether that includes video I'm not sure http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7499590573.html As for the details this article explains the approach to X compression http://www.nomachine.com/documentation/html/NX-XProtocolCompression.html Again, I realise I could be getting close to being flamed for suggesting something that I don't know a great deal about but I thought it worth pointing out in case the Sun engineers are looking for ways to reduce X traffic and had perhaps not heard of the techniques used by this company Craig Bender wrote: Exactly. The Sun Ray only has a 100 Mhz processor. Find a 100 Mhz PC and try to 1) load and OS on it and they try to run NoMachine on it. Jerry Callison wrote: Perhaps it should be renamed to OneMachine? Craig Bender wrote: How much of an OS do you need to use Nomachine? Paul Matthews wrote: I know I've mentioned this product before but the video output on NoMachine NX (http://www.nomachine.com) is very good. I'm not sure of the scale of rework involved (or any other compatibility issues for that matter) but I would guess the same thin client compression technology on Sun Rays could maybe solve a lot of these bandwidth problems Paul Christopher Saul wrote: Video is not a wonderful user experience on any true thin client I've tried recently. Anyone who's rendering all their video on the server is going to run into issues. Full screen video simply isn't Sun Ray's target market. What Sun did with Sun Forum, as I understand it, was to make it work better with Sun Ray by having it bypass the X Server and talk directly over the wire to the DTUs. Craig Bender can probably provide a bit more technical detail! Chris Leigh Porter wrote: To summerise: Video is crap on Sunrays... So, how did Sun make it work with their video conferencing tools? Does anybody have any results using this? Thanks, Leigh David Hunnisett wrote: got mythtv running on a sunray this weekend if the window was small things were ok but the colors were totally wrong pink came out as blue (so people look a little odd) On 19 Feb 2006, at 23:12, Leigh Porter wrote: I have tried VLC and Realplayer, they both work ok with very small video windows (i.e. scaled down) but anything larger just sucks. It'd be cool if there was some magic that detected video and did something even more magic to make it just work nicely. That way you;d not need a special video player to play video to a SunRay, it'd just know that this screen area was rapidly changing, assume video and the rest would be magic. /me orders one bag of magic pixie dust from Ebay -- Leigh On 19 Feb 2006, at 22:02, Lars Tunkrans wrote: Hi, I have been playing with video on SunRays over the weekend. Server is a MSI K8 Neo2 FIR MOBO with a 4800+ dualcore 2.4 GHZ Athlon64 cpu and 1 GB RAM. Solaris 10u1with SRSS 3.1
