Re: s6 in production on Ubuntu - yeah!
On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 12:01:11 +0100 Oliver Schad wrote: > Hi everybody, > > we're proud to announce, that we have s6 in production in context of > platform as a service for our customers. LOL, NOW I understand why you kept asking how s6 does all these systemd actions. :-) SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
Re: s6 in production on Ubuntu - yeah!
On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 12:01:11 +0100 Oliver Schad wrote: > Hi everybody, > > we're proud to announce, that we have s6 in production in context of > platform as a service for our customers. * * \ o / \|/ | C O O L / \ _ / \/ / - Thank you Oliver! Will the s6 package be available for just plain Ubuntu 16 and Ubuntu 20? If so, when? As soon as it's available on metal installable Ubuntu, I'll try it out. If it works well, I'll use it for my qemu and gnome-boxes VMs. Also, an upcoming business requirement might require me to boot to a thumb drive. If Ubuntu with s6 works well, I'll use that on my bootable thumb drive. Thanks so much! And thanks also to Laurent! This just might be wonderful. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
Re: s6 in production on Ubuntu - yeah!
we're proud to announce, that we have s6 in production in context of platform as a service for our customers. That's awesome! Glad it's working, and thanks for your return! Thanks Laurent for supporting us to develop the integration of s6 in ubuntu 16 and 20. We can definitly recommend to engage Laurent for integration questions. The pleasure was mine :) -- Laurent
Re: s6 in production on Ubuntu - yeah!
Yep. Have been using s6-overlay inside docker containers. On top of the ubuntu 20.04 base image. It works well enough... Perhaps you could speak to some Canonical people about your usage of s6? Maybe it would be helpful to them, in some broader sense? Like to be a little bit less reliant upon systemd? On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 11:01 AM Oliver Schad wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > we're proud to announce, that we have s6 in production in context of > platform as a service for our customers. > > We started with the rollout on our container hypervisors and will > extend that to all of our LXC containers. > > We use Ubuntu 16 for now and will migrate that to Ubuntu 20. The reasons > we use that distro is, are some: > > - good package support from community > - canonical maintains LXC/LXD > - co-maintainers of ZFS > > So these are important reasons for us to stay on Ubuntu. > > Thanks Laurent for supporting us to develop the integration of s6 in > ubuntu 16 and 20. We can definitly recommend to engage Laurent for > integration questions. > > The reasons to migrate away from systemd are well known but to recap > that in short: > > - buggy > - bad support from development team (go-away mentality) > - over complex in every dimension > - really limited cause of DSL/config approach and really big config > language at the same time - more than 200 config statements - have > fun to know them all > - tries to enforce itself everywhere as dependency > - linux only > - tightly bundled to kernel interfaces, which might be dangerous in > container business (container's systemd might depend on specific > kernel interfaces of the host) > - cgroup massacre (mi-mi-mi that is my cgroup and nobody else is > allowed to use it) > > And I guess some more. The pain we had with systemd, journald and so on > was too much. > > Best Regards > Oli > > -- > Automatic-Server AG • > Oliver Schad > Geschäftsführer > Turnerstrasse 2 > 9000 St. Gallen | Schweiz > > www.automatic-server.com | oliver.sc...@automatic-server.com > Tel: +41 71 511 31 11 | Mobile: +41 76 330 03 47
s6 in production on Ubuntu - yeah!
Hi everybody, we're proud to announce, that we have s6 in production in context of platform as a service for our customers. We started with the rollout on our container hypervisors and will extend that to all of our LXC containers. We use Ubuntu 16 for now and will migrate that to Ubuntu 20. The reasons we use that distro is, are some: - good package support from community - canonical maintains LXC/LXD - co-maintainers of ZFS So these are important reasons for us to stay on Ubuntu. Thanks Laurent for supporting us to develop the integration of s6 in ubuntu 16 and 20. We can definitly recommend to engage Laurent for integration questions. The reasons to migrate away from systemd are well known but to recap that in short: - buggy - bad support from development team (go-away mentality) - over complex in every dimension - really limited cause of DSL/config approach and really big config language at the same time - more than 200 config statements - have fun to know them all - tries to enforce itself everywhere as dependency - linux only - tightly bundled to kernel interfaces, which might be dangerous in container business (container's systemd might depend on specific kernel interfaces of the host) - cgroup massacre (mi-mi-mi that is my cgroup and nobody else is allowed to use it) And I guess some more. The pain we had with systemd, journald and so on was too much. Best Regards Oli -- Automatic-Server AG • Oliver Schad Geschäftsführer Turnerstrasse 2 9000 St. Gallen | Schweiz www.automatic-server.com | oliver.sc...@automatic-server.com Tel: +41 71 511 31 11 | Mobile: +41 76 330 03 47 pgpVcpbVnCrz7.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
