Re: Factory-fresh phone and dropbear

[Jeffrey Ratcliffe]

Is there any mileage in including opkg update and upgrade in a line in
/etc/network/interfaces, so that it is automatic on being connected?

Jeff

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Re: Factory-fresh phone and dropbear

[christopher bradski]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> On 22 Jul 2008, at 09:59, Jette Derriche wrote:
> >
> > "Note that running opkg upgrade on a factory-fresh phone will upgrade
> > dropbear (the ssh software) and various xserver packages, and neither
> > upgrades elegantly while in use, so either upgrade dropbear from the
> > FreeRunner's terminal and then upgrade the rest via ssh, or upgrade
> > the
> > xserver packages via ssh and then upgrade the rest from the
> > FreeRunner's
> > terminal"
> >
> > Why does this only apply to a factory-fresh phone? I imagine that
> > there
> > could be a reason for updating these packages in the future also?
>
> You're right. It doesn't apply only to a factory-fresh phone, it
> applies any time dropbear is updated. Hopefully users will recognise
> this, because it was explained to them in this Quickstart guide. If
> not we'll need to add an FAQ to the wiki or make the Quickstart
> explain this better.
>
> Stroller.
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Another methodthat works too is to just update dropbear from the terminal on
the phone (opkg update && opkg install dropbear) then do an "opkg upgrade"
from an ssh session :)
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Re: Factory-fresh phone and dropbear

[Stroller]

On 22 Jul 2008, at 09:59, Jette Derriche wrote:
>
> "Note that running opkg upgrade on a factory-fresh phone will upgrade
> dropbear (the ssh software) and various xserver packages, and neither
> upgrades elegantly while in use, so either upgrade dropbear from the
> FreeRunner's terminal and then upgrade the rest via ssh, or upgrade  
> the
> xserver packages via ssh and then upgrade the rest from the  
> FreeRunner's
> terminal"
>
> Why does this only apply to a factory-fresh phone? I imagine that  
> there
> could be a reason for updating these packages in the future also?

You're right. It doesn't apply only to a factory-fresh phone, it  
applies any time dropbear is updated. Hopefully users will recognise  
this, because it was explained to them in this Quickstart guide. If  
not we'll need to add an FAQ to the wiki or make the Quickstart  
explain this better.

Stroller.


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Re: Factory-fresh phone and dropbear

[Stroller]

On 22 Jul 2008, at 22:43, Olivier Migeot wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> The factory image has this little chicken/egg problem where you can't
>> do a global "opkg upgrade" from the terminal on the Neo because it
>> restarts X (which kills the upgrade process) and you can't "opkg
>> upgrade" over ssh because dropbear gets upgraded and closes your ssh
>> connection (which kills the upgrade process).
>
> Why not use screen, then?

No reason. It works fine. It's my preferred method.

You will see the connection dropped just after opkg shows status  
messages about updating dropbear. You can then ssh back in & `screen - 
Rd` and you'll see that the update is continuing.

I considered updating the wiki Quickstart page to reflect this  
option, but I decided that doing so would reduce conciseness. There's  
no need for a zillion different ways of doing things if one simple  
way works. If you disagree with this decision then please reply this  
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would prefer we can discuss this there, rather than simply adding  
it to the wiki yourself.

Stroller.


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Bluetooth error

[Steven **]

I finally got my headset paired (I jumped for joy when "Neo(0)" showed
up on the headset display).  But I can't actually get sound to play.
I get the following error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# aplay /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_classy.wav
ALSA lib pcm.c:2106:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library
/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so
aplay: main:546: audio open error: No such file or directory

Any ideas?  I've search opkg for any package that has those keywords
and haven't found anything that helped.

Thanks,
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Re: SIM cards and Wireless

[Greg Bonett]

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| Also, a problem with SIM cards: I use Cingular's pay-as-you-go service,
| and the phone can't seem to find the network or my contacts--the title
| bar says simply "registering..." this means I can't use any of the
| normal phone features. The card for my mother's normal plan works, but
| my father's pay-as-you-go also does not work. Is there a reason for
| this? A workaround?
|
| Thanks, and sorry if these are obvious questions,
| Anschel
| http://maddersocialist.blogspot.com
|
I had a similar problem with my SIM.  Switching to Qtopia seemed to do
the trick for me, but there might be a way to get it to work with the
factory image.




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SIM cards and Wireless

[Anschel Schaffer-Cohen]

Two problems, both rather critical (with the FreeRunner):

The first problem is that I don't see any way to connect to a wireless
network. "Wifi" is on the power button menu, and the icon is visible, but it
doesn't seem to do anything. Am I missing something here? Am I expected to
use the terminal for this?

Also, a problem with SIM cards: I use Cingular's pay-as-you-go service, and
the phone can't seem to find the network or my contacts--the title bar says
simply "registering..." this means I can't use any of the normal phone
features. The card for my mother's normal plan works, but my father's
pay-as-you-go also does not work. Is there a reason for this? A workaround?

Thanks, and sorry if these are obvious questions,
Anschel
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Re: Root Password

[Gregory Meyer, CPA]

As long as having a password doesn't upset the function of the phone,
I think I'll just set a password, disable password logins and use my
ssh key.  Thanks.

One other question I guess.  I don't see any warning that the phone as
is has this vulnerability.  Shouldn't there be some warning or is it
expected that the current audience knows to deal with this?

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Greg Bonett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Gregory Meyer wrote:
> | Since the device does not have a root password by default, it is
> | possible for anyone to ssh to the device while I am connected to a
> | wifi AP.  IS it advisable to set a root password or does that screw up
> | the phone?  Maybe only allow ssh login on the usb0 network interface
> | as an alternative?
> |
> | Thanks
> |
> | --
> | Greg
> |
> Greg,
> If you don't set a root password  anyone will be able to log onto your
> phone if they can reach it on the network.  I don't think there are any
> downsides to setting a password (I did) passwd should do the trick.
>
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Re: SSH into Freerunner

[ian douglas]

Abel Chang wrote:
> could anyone tell me in a very easy step-by-step way?

Since you already seem to be able to SSH into your Freerunner, you need
to do the following:

1. Follow the extra instructions on the USB Networking wiki page which
includes the iptables masquerading on your PC to allow packet forwarding
from your Freerunner through your PC to the internet.
-- you will need this to have Internet access on your Freerunner while
connected to your PC


2. Make sure your /etc/resolv.conf on the Freerunner has a real public
DNS server, like "nameserver 208.67.222.222" in it.
-- without this, opkg cannot resolve the openmoko.org URLs it needs to
download the new package databases and actually upgrade them


If you need any more help along the way, let us know exactly what you've
done so far (paste copies of your configuration files where applicable)
so we can see what you're missing.

Ian

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Re: One-sided GSM calls

[Daniel Dadap]

OK,

This morning I reflashed the 20080722 rootfs jffs2 image for OM2007.2,
along with the kernel I found in the same directory
(buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080722). Still no
sound during a call except when using speakerphone.

Then I saw this post
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-July/000351.html with
an attached alsa state dump from a configuration known to have the
buzzing issue. I thought it was possible that in my several attempts
mucking with alsamixer, I might have done something that affected call
volume, and I figured buzzy calls would be better than no audio. I
restored from that configuration, but it made no difference in my
handset, except that it made the button clicks quieter. I assumed that
any alsa settings would have been wiped out by a rootfs and kernel
flash anyway, but figured I would give restoring from a known good
alsa state was better than possibly having leftover state from a bad
conf.

The last thing I am going to try is reflashing with the default image
(20080424) and kernel one more time and restoring alsa state again
from that saved configuration. I don't have high hopes though that it
will work.

Can somebody please tell me what to do with my handset before my
28-day DOA warranty is up?

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Re: Flashing Neo FreeRunner

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maybe
> cat /etc/angstrom-version

And a couple more:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/om-version
Tag Name:
VERSION: 1d2ffa9abf4464c9ae0d31ee1ca697aaaeb7a81c
Branch: org.openmoko.dev
Build Host: buildhost.openmoko.org
Time Stamp: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:49:30 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/version
200807110147

Nice!
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Re: Getting rid of pulseaudio? [was Re: Cannot play MP3 or OGG as ringtone on GTA02]

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

(cc'ing devel, since it's more appropriate there)

Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 03:19:24 schrieb Russell Sears:
> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> > pulseaudio only features WAV files. In FSO we are using GStreamer to
> > create all kinds of tones.
>
> I've heard FSO got rid of pulseaudio. 

Well, "got rid" sounds a bit pathetic. We are no longer using it :)

> Is that true?  Any problems? 

No problems. Using alsa dmix now and despite Lennart's constant railing on 
dmix, on GTA01, I can play two mp3 (via GStreamer) without any dropouts, 
whereas with pulseaudio I hardly managed to get one without dropouts.

> Flamewars I should read? :)

None, sorry :)

> I ask, since I'm working on improving mediaplayer's performance.  Having
> it talk directly to ALSA halved CPU usage (I think this is due to a
> misconfiguration...), and didn't seem to break multiple simultaneous
> apps talking to the sound card.
>
> Anyway, if pulseaudio is going away, I don't want to spend time
> debugging it...

Well, pulseaudio is great. Honestly, I love the concept, that's why I pushed 
it in to Openmoko in the first place. But alas, the current state is way 
unusable on our slow systems. Perhaps this will improve with the new branch, 
lets see. Until then, it's alsa dmix for me.

> Also, is GStreamer definitely in the future?  I'm looking into
> fixed-point graphic equalizers; gstreamer seems to be a good place to
> add one.

Absolutely. GStreamer is great and will be a vital part of the Openmoko 
framework.

> The choices for adding new audio processing code seem to be adding a
> plugin to gstreamer, alsa or pulseaudio.

If you want to maximize performance, go alsa. If you want to maximize reusing, 
go GStreamer.

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Re: WiFi GUI?

[Ken Restivo]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:23:05PM -0500, Rene Horn wrote:
> Is there a GUI frontend to the WiFi on the OpenMoko?  I couldn't find any in
> all my searches.  Just the command line stuff.

In the ASU software image, there is a GUI for the WiFi.

Since the ASU software is what OpenMoko will be shipping, it's safe to expect a 
complete GUI for all features of the phone to appear in ASU, certainly, and 
possibly first there before anywhere else.

-ken

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Re: Root Password

[Jette Derriche]

On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 23:15 +0200, François TOURDE wrote:
> Le 14081ième jour après Epoch,
> Greg Bonett écrivait:
> 
> > Gregory Meyer wrote:
> > | Since the device does not have a root password by default, it is
> > | possible for anyone to ssh to the device while I am connected to a
> > | wifi AP.  IS it advisable to set a root password or does that screw up
> > | the phone?  

I'm currently attending an open source summer camp, and the guy sitting
besides me, jumped right on my phone with root access... fortunately he
is a good guy ;-) So I quickly added a root password, and I've been
doing all sorts of things with the phone all day, without any problems.

/Jette



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Re: Factory-fresh phone and dropbear

[Olivier Migeot]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The factory image has this little chicken/egg problem where you can't
> do a global "opkg upgrade" from the terminal on the Neo because it
> restarts X (which kills the upgrade process) and you can't "opkg
> upgrade" over ssh because dropbear gets upgraded and closes your ssh
> connection (which kills the upgrade process).

Why not use screen, then?

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Re: Factory-fresh phone and dropbear

[Jette Derriche]

On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 15:59 -0500, Steven ** wrote:
> I believe it only applies to a "factory-fresh phone" because the newer
> images already have dropbear upgraded.  Since dropbear doesn't need
> upgraded, the ssh connection doesn't drop and everything upgrades
> fine.
> 
> The factory image has this little chicken/egg problem where you can't
> do a global "opkg upgrade" from the terminal on the Neo because it
> restarts X (which kills the upgrade process) and you can't "opkg
> upgrade" over ssh because dropbear gets upgraded and closes your ssh
> connection (which kills the upgrade process).

Thanks for the explanation :-)

/Jette




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Re: Qtopia

[Peter Rasmussen]

What doesn't work is:

1.Boot with different kernel images
2.Boot into multiple images on the flashcard

I have before asked for info to:

1.Boot with kernel A into the NAND rootfs
2.Boot with kernel A into flash image in partition A (eg.: 
/media/card/imageA)
3.Boot with kernel B into flash image in partition B (eg.: 
/media/card/imageB)
4. Boot with kernel B into flash image in partition A (eg.: 
/media/card/imageA)
5. Boot with kernel A into flash image in partition B (eg.: 
/media/card/imageB)
6. etc.

Is it hard or does it have a very low priority?
For people doing testing it is important to be able to change only one 
part at the time.

Still only having a GTA01, so please make any basic progress work there, 
too.

Peter

Steven ** wrote:
> I don't know about triple-booting, but dual is pretty straight forward:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD
>
> It's fairly simple.
> 1. Partition the sd card
> 2. Format the sd card
> 3. Copy image(s) to sd card
> 4. Profit^H^H^H^H^H^HBoot from NOR flash off sd card
>
> What doesn't work for you?
>
> -Steven
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Brian C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Dave Clark wrote:
>> 
>>> Why not put Qtopia on the SD card, and 2007.2 in the main memory? It's
>>> fairly easy to dual-boot...
>>>   
>> I've been hoping someone would put a very step-by-step "cut 'n paste"
>> HOWTO on dual or triple-booting by utilizing the SD Card on the wiki.
>> Right now the information, to the extent it is on the wiki at all, is
>> fairly scattered.  I'll test out the instructions and help correct the
>> page if someone will take a first stab at summarizing the process
>> step-by-step.
>>
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Re: Qtopia

[Steven **]

I don't know about triple-booting, but dual is pretty straight forward:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD

It's fairly simple.
1. Partition the sd card
2. Format the sd card
3. Copy image(s) to sd card
4. Profit^H^H^H^H^H^HBoot from NOR flash off sd card

What doesn't work for you?

-Steven

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> Dave Clark wrote:
>> Why not put Qtopia on the SD card, and 2007.2 in the main memory? It's
>> fairly easy to dual-boot...
>
> I've been hoping someone would put a very step-by-step "cut 'n paste"
> HOWTO on dual or triple-booting by utilizing the SD Card on the wiki.
> Right now the information, to the extent it is on the wiki at all, is
> fairly scattered.  I'll test out the instructions and help correct the
> page if someone will take a first stab at summarizing the process
> step-by-step.
>
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Re: Root Password

[François TOURDE]

Le 14081ième jour après Epoch,
Greg Bonett écrivait:

> Gregory Meyer wrote:
> | Since the device does not have a root password by default, it is
> | possible for anyone to ssh to the device while I am connected to a
> | wifi AP.  IS it advisable to set a root password or does that screw up
> | the phone?  Maybe only allow ssh login on the usb0 network interface
> | as an alternative?
> |
> | Thanks
> |
> | --
> | Greg
> |
> Greg,
> If you don't set a root password  anyone will be able to log onto your 
> phone if they can reach it on the network.  I don't think there are any 
> downsides to setting a password (I did) passwd should do the trick.

Maybe a ssh key is a good alternative. I know nothing about dropbear
(And I've not yet received my FR), but a key is harder than a simple
text password, isn't it ?

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Re: Qtopia

[Joerg Lippmann]

Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 schrieb Thomas B.:

> > > Why not put Qtopia on the SD card, and 2007.2 in the main memory? It's
> > > fairly easy to dual-boot...
> >
> > I tried this with ext2 and ext3, same
> > error:
> >
> > VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(179,2)

> I think the kernel delivered with Qtopia doesn't have ext2 support built
> in (only as a module, which is not available without rootfs), and it
> doesn't work with ext3 either because U-Boot passes "rootfstype=ext2" to
> the kernel as a commandline option.

That actually makes sense :-)

> You can try a recent stable kernel (from Openmoko), I think a few days
> ago a patch was checked in that enables ext2 support. So a recent stable
> kernel should be able to boot from an ext2 partition.

Yeah, I tried the most recent kernel I could get my hands on and it works now! 
Great!

Many thanks!
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Re: SSH into Freerunner

[shawn sullivan]

Hi Able,

You'll not only need to be able to USB into the FR, but the device will
need an internet connection. As arne said, please elaborate on the
problem and we'll help out!

Abel Chang wrote:
> hi!
> 
> i followed these steps, and the wiki's as well... still couldnt get my 
> freerunner to "opkg upgrade" or "opkg update"
> could anyone tell me in a very easy step-by-step way?
> thanks a lot.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Jim Colton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> The instructions in the wiki have always worked fine for me...
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Spencer Raymond
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> 
> It might be worth while to add these steps somewhere on the wiki.
> 
> -SR
> 
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 5:34 AM, Yoann B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok, I finally made it work !
> 
> So, for those who are under 192.168.0. *
> network, and ubuntu, here's what I
> did :
> 
> ** disconnect from network
> On freerunner /etc/network/interfaces I replaced by
> iface usb0 inet static
>address 192.168.2.202 
>netmask 255.255.255.0 
>network 192.168.2.0 
>gateway 192.168.2.200 
>up echo nameserver 192.168.2.200
>  >/etc/resolv.conf
> 
> In /etc/resolv.conf, replace "nameserver 192.168.0.200
> " by "nameserver
> 192.168.2.202 "
> * not very useful, but give it a try
> Still in freerunner, but on the device :
> "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
> 
> Then on my computer's /etc/network/interfaces :
> auto usb0
> iface usb0 inet static
>   address 192.168.2.200 
>   netmask 255.255.255.0 
>   network 192.168.2.0 
>   up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
> 192.168.2.0/24  &
>   up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward &
>   up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT &
>   down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
> 192.168.2.0/24  &
> 
> On computer's, "/etc/init.d/networking/restart".
> Then, in Firestarter (System -> Administration ->
> Firestarter), this
> configuration :
> - in politic, entry trafic, autorize connections from
> 192.168.2.202 
> - autorize service SSH port 22 for 192.168.2.202
> 
> 
> And the most important, in Preferences -> Firewall ->
> Network configuration
> :
> Set local network device to "Unknown device (usb0)", and
> tick "Authorize
> internet connection sharing"
> 
> Then "Accept", on my computer it display an error message,
> but no matter.
> 
> In a console, ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  ... and it works !!!
> 
> Thanks for your help all !
> 
> 
> arne anka wrote:
>  >
>  >> And when I try to ping (with network enabled) :
>  >> ~$ ping 192.168.2.202 
>  >> PING 192.168.2.202  (192.168.2.202
> ) 56(84) bytes of data.
>  >> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
>  >
>  > we got that earlier today on the list and it turned out
> to be the
>  > firewall's fault -- probably your firewall ist shut down
> when you shutdown
>  > your network.
>  > have a look at the firewall's configuration if so and add
> a rule for the
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Re: Getting rid of pulseaudio? [was Re: Cannot play MP3 or OGG as ringtone on GTA02]

[Steven **]

These sound like questions for the devel list, not the support list.  Good luck.

-Steven

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:38 AM, Gero Mudersbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 22. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
>> > pulseaudio only features WAV files. In FSO we are using GStreamer to
>> > create all kinds of tones.
>>
>> I've heard FSO got rid of pulseaudio.  Is that true?  Any problems?
>> Flamewars I should read? :)
>>
> [...]
>>
>> Also, is GStreamer definitely in the future?  I'm looking into
>> fixed-point graphic equalizers; gstreamer seems to be a good place to
>> add one.
>>
>
> In http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework#Audio pulseaudio is still
> listet. I would also like to know where it goes since I would like to develop
> something, too. So, is there any roadmap or feature plan that we can roughly
> count on? Is it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Roadmap ? It's hard to find the
> way in the wiki :)
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Re: Factory-fresh phone and dropbear

[Steven **]

I believe it only applies to a "factory-fresh phone" because the newer
images already have dropbear upgraded.  Since dropbear doesn't need
upgraded, the ssh connection doesn't drop and everything upgrades
fine.

The factory image has this little chicken/egg problem where you can't
do a global "opkg upgrade" from the terminal on the Neo because it
restarts X (which kills the upgrade process) and you can't "opkg
upgrade" over ssh because dropbear gets upgraded and closes your ssh
connection (which kills the upgrade process).

-Steven

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Jette Derriche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello everybody
>
> I got the Freerunner a week ago, and I have done the initial
> update/upgrade successfully. But I have one question to the information
> on the wiki:
>
> "Note that running opkg upgrade on a factory-fresh phone will upgrade
> dropbear (the ssh software) and various xserver packages, and neither
> upgrades elegantly while in use, so either upgrade dropbear from the
> FreeRunner's terminal and then upgrade the rest via ssh, or upgrade the
> xserver packages via ssh and then upgrade the rest from the FreeRunner's
> terminal"
>
> Why does this only apply to a factory-fresh phone? I imagine that there
> could be a reason for updating these packages in the future also?
>
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Re: Qtopia

[Thomas B.]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:28:16PM +, Ole Kliemann wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:15:32PM +0200, Thomas B. wrote:
> > Alternatively, you can try to persuade U-Boot to tell the kernel to use
> > ext3. I described how I did that here (didn't have time to put it in the
> > wiki yet... 
> 
> There as a wiki entry on this already:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Add_uboot_boot_entry

Ah, good to know :-)

Regards,
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Re: Qtopia

[Ole Kliemann]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:15:32PM +0200, Thomas B. wrote:
> Alternatively, you can try to persuade U-Boot to tell the kernel to use
> ext3. I described how I did that here (didn't have time to put it in the
> wiki yet... 

There as a wiki entry on this already:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Add_uboot_boot_entry

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Re: Qtopia

[Thomas B.]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 09:05:29PM +0200, Joerg Lippmann wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 schrieb Dave Clark:
> 
> > Why not put Qtopia on the SD card, and 2007.2 in the main memory? It's
> > fairly easy to dual-boot...
> 
> I tried that for the last 2 hours, using the wiki howto 
> (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner). It went quite smoothly. 
> up to the point where the qtopia-kernel panics when he is not able to mount 
> the root-Filesystem. I tried this with ext2 and ext3, same error:
> 
> [...]
> VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(179,2)
> [...]
> 
> Any idea how to fix that would be great!

I think the kernel delivered with Qtopia doesn't have ext2 support built
in (only as a module, which is not available without rootfs), and it
doesn't work with ext3 either because U-Boot passes "rootfstype=ext2" to
the kernel as a commandline option.

You can try a recent stable kernel (from Openmoko), I think a few days
ago a patch was checked in that enables ext2 support. So a recent stable
kernel should be able to boot from an ext2 partition.

Alternatively, you can try to persuade U-Boot to tell the kernel to use
ext3. I described how I did that here (didn't have time to put it in the
wiki yet... and I don't know if it's relevant any more, as booting from
ext2 hopefully works now):

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021524.html
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021881.html

HTH,
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Re: BT headset with Qtopia

[Daniel Aeberli]

To add more detail.

Once I pair the headset I have two options
Headset or hands free.

With headset nothing happens not interaction no sound.

With hands free I can pick up and hang up calls but have no sound.
In addition switching back to handset or speaker does not restore sound.

Anyone got any ideas?

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Buzzing on GSM audio

[Jim Morris]

Hi,

There has been a lot of talk, and entries in the Wiki, regarding the buzzing 
during a GSM call.

However I have not seen any concrete solutions posted, and this is a showstopper when it comes to 
using the FR as a phone.


So to try to move this effort forward, there is mention of a possible solution 
by tweaking alsamixer.

So if anyone has good quality GSM phone calls, can they please post their 
alsamixer settings here.

login via ssh (or console)

> alsactl store -f alsa.txt

I'll collect them and post them to a Wiki page.

Maybe we can nail this one too :)

Here is mine, but is very noisy so don't use it :)

You can load a good one with this...

> alsactl restore -f a-good-gsmhandset.state

Thanks
Jim

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value.0 0
value.1 0
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comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
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value.0 0
value.1 0
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Re: Qtopia

[Joerg Lippmann]

Hi!

Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 schrieb Dave Clark:

> Why not put Qtopia on the SD card, and 2007.2 in the main memory? It's
> fairly easy to dual-boot...

I tried that for the last 2 hours, using the wiki howto 
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_FreeRunner). It went quite smoothly. 
up to the point where the qtopia-kernel panics when he is not able to mount 
the root-Filesystem. I tried this with ext2 and ext3, same error:

[...]
VFS: Cannot open root device "mmcblk0p2" or unknown-block(179,2)
[...]

Any idea how to fix that would be great!
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Re: WiFi GUI?

[Yorick Moko]

if i recall correctly there is one in the ASU (but only for open networks)

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Rene Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a GUI frontend to the WiFi on the OpenMoko?  I couldn't find any in
> all my searches.  Just the command line stuff.
>
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Re: WiFi GUI?

[Michal 'vorner' Vaner]

Hello

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:23:05PM -0500, Rene Horn wrote:
> Is there a GUI frontend to the WiFi on the OpenMoko?  I couldn't find any in
> all my searches.  Just the command line stuff.

wpa_supplicant has GUI frontend (maybe more than one, I had Qt4, but I
think gtk one is available too). I'm not sure if it is compiled with it
for moko, though. You may need to compile it yourself.

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WiFi GUI?

[Rene Horn]

Is there a GUI frontend to the WiFi on the OpenMoko?  I couldn't find any in
all my searches.  Just the command line stuff.

Rene
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Re: FR WPA-PSK success

[Michael Moss]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:24 AM, Menno Smits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've had some success getting wifi connections to a WPA-PSK network
> working. The trick for me was to remove the "proto" option that was
> mentioned in the example on the wiki. I've updated the wiki now to
> reflect this and with some further notes (see "Success stories").
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN
>
> If others can confirm this works for them then we can clean up the page
> so that it has a set of easy to follow steps for setting up wifi on the
> GTA02.

The example you updated on the wiki was for WPA2, but you talk about
WPA. Did you try the example right below that for WPA (works for me on
my WPA-PSK network)? I think you actually need that proto line for
WPA2, so removing it from the example is probably not a good solution.

Michael

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battery question

[Peter Abplanalp]

what is the unit of measure for the number in:

/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/status

an example:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
/sys/devices/platform/bq27000-battery.0/power_supply/bat/time_to_empty_now
8760

i think it's probably seconds but wanted to double check.

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Re: Flashing Neo FreeRunner

[arne anka]

>> u-boot is not (yet?) upgradable from inside the fr, you still
>> need to flash it.
>
> Is there any way to see how old my current u-boot is?

it says in the boot menu. hold aux and power together when booting.
can't exactly remember the details but the archive should help you there.

btw: re dfu-util broken -- the wiki says "only for big endian".

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Re: Flashing Neo FreeRunner

[Jette Derriche]

On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 17:54 +0200, arne anka wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/angstrom-version
> > Angstrom P1-Snapshot-20080722
> >
> > I ran an opkg update/upgrade today, maybe that is what the date
> > reflects?
> 
> most likely. mine says 20080720.
> though, be aware that opkg upgrade only will save you the work of flashing  
> root/kernel. 

Aah.. okay. Nice :-)

> u-boot is not (yet?) upgradable from inside the fr, you still  
> need to flash it.

Is there any way to see how old my current u-boot is?



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Re: Flashing Neo FreeRunner

[arne anka]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/angstrom-version
> Angstrom P1-Snapshot-20080722
>
> I ran an opkg update/upgrade today, maybe that is what the date
> reflects?

most likely. mine says 20080720.
though, be aware that opkg upgrade only will save you the work of flashing  
root/kernel. u-boot is not (yet?) upgradable from inside the fr, you still  
need to flash it.

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Re: Flashing Neo FreeRunner

[Jette Derriche]

On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 17:25 +0200, arne anka wrote:
> > 1) Is there a way to tell the version/date of the current image used on
> > the phone? My phone is new, so I have no idea.
> 
> maybe
> cat /etc/angstrom-version

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /etc/angstrom-version
Angstrom P1-Snapshot-20080722

I ran an opkg update/upgrade today, maybe that is what the date
reflects?




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Re: Flashing Neo FreeRunner

[arne anka]

> 1) Is there a way to tell the version/date of the current image used on
> the phone? My phone is new, so I have no idea.

maybe
cat /etc/angstrom-version
?
if it's new it might be an april date (20080424 or so).

> 2) The page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util includes a warning
> that the Dfu-util is broken. The warning does not include a date.. Does
> it still apply?

dunno. got mine from debian/unstable

> 3) What is the 'partion name' in this command:
> ./dfu-util -a (partion name) -R -D (download image file name)

rootfs/kernel/u-boot
i guess from the wiki. which number correspondents which name i don't know.

> The wiki says "altsetting of the DFU interface by name or by number" but
> I don't understand what 'altsetting' is?

probably just that you can use short numbers instead of long names like  
rootfs.


> I realize that these are stupid newbie questions... If this is not the
> right forum to ask these questions, please direct me to the right place.

nope. this is the place ...
but all of your questions likewise apply to the wiki task force to update  
the entries in question.

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Re: Flashing Neo FreeRunner

[Jette Derriche]

On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 23:16 +0800, xiangfu wrote:
> Jette Derriche wrote:
> > 3) What is the 'partion name' in this command:
> > ./dfu-util -a (partion name) -R -D (download image file name)
> >
> i can answer question 3 :
> see this:  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Partition
> partition name -- DFU numberothers
> u-boot1  0  256 kB  Bootloader 
> binary
> u-boot_env 2 1 16 kB Checksummed 
> bootloader config
> kernel 3 2 2 MB Kernel uImage binary
> splash 4 3 640 kB Bootloader 
> splash screen
> rootfs 5 4 rest of the 64 MB (256MB 
> on GTA02) JFFS2-formatted file system

Aha.. Things are now starting to make sense :-) Thanks!

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Re: Flashing Neo FreeRunner

[xiangfu]

Jette Derriche wrote:
> I have a few questions about flashing the phone:
>
> 1) Is there a way to tell the version/date of the current image used on
> the phone? My phone is new, so I have no idea.
>
> 2) The page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util includes a warning
> that the Dfu-util is broken. The warning does not include a date.. Does
> it still apply?
>
> 3) What is the 'partion name' in this command:
> ./dfu-util -a (partion name) -R -D (download image file name)
>
i can answer question 3 :
see this:  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Partition
partition name -- DFU numberothers
u-boot1  0  256 kB  Bootloader 
binary
u-boot_env 2 1 16 kB Checksummed 
bootloader config
kernel 3 2 2 MB Kernel uImage binary
splash 4 3 640 kB Bootloader 
splash screen
rootfs 5 4 rest of the 64 MB (256MB 
on GTA02) JFFS2-formatted file system
so "./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./image.name"=="./dfu-util -a 3 -R -D 
./image.name"
> The wiki says "altsetting of the DFU interface by name or by number" but
> I don't understand what 'altsetting' is?
>
> I realize that these are stupid newbie questions... If this is not the
> right forum to ask these questions, please direct me to the right place.
>
>
> /Jette
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Flashing Neo FreeRunner

[Jette Derriche]

I have a few questions about flashing the phone:

1) Is there a way to tell the version/date of the current image used on
the phone? My phone is new, so I have no idea.

2) The page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util includes a warning
that the Dfu-util is broken. The warning does not include a date.. Does
it still apply?

3) What is the 'partion name' in this command:
./dfu-util -a (partion name) -R -D (download image file name)

The wiki says "altsetting of the DFU interface by name or by number" but
I don't understand what 'altsetting' is?

I realize that these are stupid newbie questions... If this is not the
right forum to ask these questions, please direct me to the right place.


/Jette


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Re: Qtopia

[Peter Abplanalp]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

However now when I click the mail/messages icon, it goes to Create New
> message screen there seems no
> way to see the inbox, or read email from gmail which I had added (but
> didn't work). When I take the
> SIM card out it returns to the list starting with inbox etc.
>
> I had received some SMS messages when the SIM card was in, but I could not
> find anyway to read them.
> When I removed the SIM card, I could click on inbox and see the SMS
> messages I received.


i observed the same behavior last night after i installed qtopia but i
didn't have an sd card installed.  it just seemed to fix itself after a
while.  at first i got the messaging menu when clicking on the envelope icon
but after a while clicking on the envelope icon took me to the 'create new
message' screen and i was unable to get to newly received messages.  after a
while, clicking on the envelope brought up the menu again.  i have no idea
what i might have done to break it or later fix it.

So far I am very impressed, I'll continue to play with this for a while.


i am as well.  i must say that qtopia looks to be far and away the best 'all
around' software to use if you want to just have a usable phone.  i like it
a lot so far.  i'd really like to see the gps app mentioned elsewhere.

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Re: Qtopia

[Yorick Moko]

+1

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've been hoping someone would put a very step-by-step "cut 'n paste"
>> HOWTO on dual or triple-booting by utilizing the SD Card on the wiki.
>
> imho, a little python script you could run on an out-of-the-box
> freerunner that sets up multi-boot on an 8gig SD card would be
> *heaven* .. just imagine having the freerunner do all the work of
> setting up a multi-boot for all three environments for you.. *drool*
>
>
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Re: Qtopia

[Jay Vaughan]

> I've been hoping someone would put a very step-by-step "cut 'n paste"
> HOWTO on dual or triple-booting by utilizing the SD Card on the wiki.

imho, a little python script you could run on an out-of-the-box  
freerunner that sets up multi-boot on an 8gig SD card would be  
*heaven* .. just imagine having the freerunner do all the work of  
setting up a multi-boot for all three environments for you.. *drool*


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Re: One-sided GSM calls

[Tilman Baumann]

Daniel Dadap wrote:
> I just went to RTFM at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko
> and noticed that they recommended downloading a kernel *and* a rootfs.
> Does the rootfs image not include a kernel? 

Nope. It's not. But kernel modules are AFAIK part of the rootfs.

If you flash the system, better flash both. Kernel and modules need to 
be from the same version. (or should better be)

Having sayd this, you could also just use opkg to update. opkg updated 
both, rootfs and kernel image.


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Re: One-sided GSM calls

[Daniel Dadap]

I just went to RTFM at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_Openmoko
and noticed that they recommended downloading a kernel *and* a rootfs.
Does the rootfs image not include a kernel? I assumed that it did,
since after flashing the 2008/07/20 OM2007.2 in particular I noticed
that GPS started working while the SD card was installed.

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Re: One-sided GSM calls

[Daniel Dadap]

No offense taken. I often find myself in a situation whene somebody
says they have done something to troubleshoot some problem on their
computer which should have fixed the problem, then I take a look and
discover that it wasn't done. :)

I flashed rootfs images several times. If alsa.state is stored outside
of the rootfs somehow, then I will look into that further. Any advice?
Or are you saying that the alsa.state file in the image is for Neo1973
and needs modification after flashing? If this were the case, though,
I would have expected to find something in the wiki. Besides, when I
flashed images, I always made sure I was downloading the FreeRunner
version of the image.

First I tried playing with alsomaxer, on another FR user's suggestion.
(The same person I swapped phones with to troubleshoot when I noticed
the problem five minutes after opening the box.) Then I flashed the
2008/07/18 OM2007.2 image. Then the ASU 2008/07/18 image. Then the
Qtopia jffs2 image from Trolltech. Then the default 2007.2 image again
(I think 2008/05/24). Then FSO Milestone 1. Then when none of them
worked I went to the 2008/07/20 OM2007.2 image and started playing
with some goodies (tangoGPS, etc.) but still couldn't hear calls. Each
time I flashed I did dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D /path/to/image.jffs2
while booted from NOR flash and FreeRunner seemed happy to take the
new image.

One thing I have noticed recently in my further troubleshooting
attempts is that when making a call while using the earpiece is that
there actually is sound for a very short amount of time before it cuts
out. I can call a number with an autoattendant, and can hear the "tha"
in "thank you for calling...", then a quiet pop, then nothing. If I
turn on speakerphone during this call, I will once again hear the
audio faintly through one channel in the earpiece.

If this is a software issue and there's something I can do to get
sound, I will be very happy. If not, please tell me how to proceed
from here.

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FR WPA-PSK success

[Menno Smits]

Hi all,

I've had some success getting wifi connections to a WPA-PSK network 
working. The trick for me was to remove the "proto" option that was 
mentioned in the example on the wiki. I've updated the wiki now to 
reflect this and with some further notes (see "Success stories").

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN

If others can confirm this works for them then we can clean up the page 
so that it has a set of easy to follow steps for setting up wifi on the 
GTA02.

Hope this helps someone.

Menno

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Re: Qtopia: customize keyboard, select input language

[Ole Kliemann]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 03:41:19PM +, Ole Kliemann wrote:
> I want English as
> language displayed, but German as input-language. I have chosen as
> language U.S. English but checked the `use for input' box for German.
> Still the predicative keyboard seems only to use English.

Workaround for this is:
cd /opt/Qtopia/etc/dict
mv en_US _en_US
ln -s de en_US

Ole


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Factory-fresh phone and dropbear

[Jette Derriche]

Hello everybody

I got the Freerunner a week ago, and I have done the initial
update/upgrade successfully. But I have one question to the information
on the wiki:

"Note that running opkg upgrade on a factory-fresh phone will upgrade
dropbear (the ssh software) and various xserver packages, and neither
upgrades elegantly while in use, so either upgrade dropbear from the
FreeRunner's terminal and then upgrade the rest via ssh, or upgrade the
xserver packages via ssh and then upgrade the rest from the FreeRunner's
terminal"

Why does this only apply to a factory-fresh phone? I imagine that there
could be a reason for updating these packages in the future also?

/Jette


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Re: SSH into Freerunner

[arne anka]

> i followed these steps, and the wiki's as well... still couldnt get my
> freerunner to "opkg upgrade" or "opkg update"

care to elaborate?
what exactly does not work?
what kind of error messages?
can you ping urls like openmoko.org and get a name resolution?

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Re: Flashing with download caused Freerunner to be unbootable

[arne anka]

could you please stay in one thread?
starting a new thread every time makes following and helping with your  
issue rather hard.

thanks

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Re: Flashing Freerunner

[arne anka]

> sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./

shouldn't that read "-a rootfs"?

> Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

you try to flash the root image (which in your case is the right thing to  
do).

looked in the wiki and here

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Flashing_the_rootfs

its says clearly

dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D Openmoko-Freerunner-20080424-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2

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