Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi  6. August 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> |> I had this problem when I put obexftp into the startup for my bluez.
>   Turns out it doesn't auto-background, so it was hanging there just
> after the startup.  Happily, I was able to ssh in, fix it, and kill the
> obexftp to let it start up normal.  Can you ssh in via USB still?  If so
> look at the last started process before your shell and see if it's hung.
> |>
> |>
> |
> | The process '/bin/ash /etc/rc5.d/S98qpe start' is constantly in the
> | process list, so it looks like that's where it's hanging. If I kill this
> | and restart it, it hangs again at the command-line as well until I ^C
> | it. What is it about the most recent updates that could have caused this?
> 
> IIRC qpe is the thing that likes to sit there going through your SD card
> contents after boot, making things slugglish.  Maybe that's why it is
> "hung"?

SD-card IO-error?
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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Aaron Sowry

>
> IIRC qpe is the thing that likes to sit there going through your SD card
> contents after boot, making things slugglish.  Maybe that's why it is
> "hung"?
>
> - -Andy
>   
I thought qpe was 'Qtopia Palmtop Environment'... or perhaps you were 
just being facetious ;) . Although I must admit, the only reason I 
assumed it was 'hanging' was because nothing comes up on the screen.

I started another thread last night called 'Qtopia post-mortem' with 
output from logread, and there's a whole lot of stuff about 'undefined 
symbols' which appears to be related to Qtopia itself. I just don't see 
how an upgrade would affect the Qtopia binaries in that way...

Aaron

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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Feydreva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
|> yeah, it turns off at one point... but it s not consistent...
|
| Well, it may be consistent to the fact that the phone eventually drops
| charging at one time even though the charger may be plugged-in (which
| is another bug) ?
|
| I'd bet for conjunction of several bugs ;)

It's not pretty in there.  I guess this is today's topic for debug action.

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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread Olivier Berger
Feydreva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> yeah, it turns off at one point... but it s not consistent...

Well, it may be consistent to the fact that the phone eventually drops
charging at one time even though the charger may be plugged-in (which
is another bug) ?

I'd bet for conjunction of several bugs ;)

> and do not seems related to any event... it stays on at least for 15
> minutes after the cable is disconnected
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> using yesterday's kernel (5th).
>>
>> For me, it does seem like it's indicating that the battery is charging,
>> but it doesn't turn off if I unplug the USB cable (bug?). If I leave it
>> connected for a while, eventually the red led turns off.
>>
>> -Dale

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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|> I had this problem when I put obexftp into the startup for my bluez.
  Turns out it doesn't auto-background, so it was hanging there just
after the startup.  Happily, I was able to ssh in, fix it, and kill the
obexftp to let it start up normal.  Can you ssh in via USB still?  If so
look at the last started process before your shell and see if it's hung.
|>
|>
|
| The process '/bin/ash /etc/rc5.d/S98qpe start' is constantly in the
| process list, so it looks like that's where it's hanging. If I kill this
| and restart it, it hangs again at the command-line as well until I ^C
| it. What is it about the most recent updates that could have caused this?

IIRC qpe is the thing that likes to sit there going through your SD card
contents after boot, making things slugglish.  Maybe that's why it is
"hung"?

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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Aaron Sowry

> I had this problem when I put obexftp into the startup for my bluez.  Turns 
> out it doesn't auto-background, so it was hanging there just after the 
> startup.  Happily, I was able to ssh in, fix it, and kill the obexftp to let 
> it start up normal.  Can you ssh in via USB still?  If so look at the last 
> started process before your shell and see if it's hung.
>
>   

The process '/bin/ash /etc/rc5.d/S98qpe start' is constantly in the 
process list, so it looks like that's where it's hanging. If I kill this 
and restart it, it hangs again at the command-line as well until I ^C 
it. What is it about the most recent updates that could have caused this?

Aaron

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Re: distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk

2008-08-05 Thread Dale Maggee
Thanks, but /etc/opkg/*.conf still point to my-distribution.org, even 
though i overwrote the files...? has this not been fixed yet?

atweb wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ovverwrite it manually with the new Version:
> "opkg install 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk";
>  
>
> This installs direct the file via http without searching in the 
> Paket-Database.
>
>
> cu
> Markus
>
>
>
> Dale Maggee schrieb:
>> agh, I was foolish enough to hit 'Y'... can somebody give me the 
>> correct contents of the files i've overwritten?
>>
>> didn't even notice the 'D' option, to be honest. I'll be using it 
>> next time!
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Dale
>>
>> arne anka wrote:
>>  
 yeah, I saw that yesterday... I had to change manually the file 
 again  after
 the upgrade...
   
>>> i was sure someone would run into this -- opkg asks you if you would 
>>> like  to replace those files with then package maintainer's ones.
>>> since i use debian i am familiar with this and almost automatically 
>>> hit D  for diff'ing the old and the new file before deciding.
>>> thus i could avoid overwriting.
>>>
>>>  
 I do not know from where this adress comes from...
   
>>> it's obviously the result of some testing with the package building  
>>> process that should never have made it into the feeds ...
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Re: Date + NTP

2008-08-05 Thread Russell Sears
Update the /etc/localtime symlink to point to your timezone:

# ls -l /etc/localtime
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Jul 10 23:05 /etc/localtime -> 
/usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT

# ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT /etc/localtime


Feydreva wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> i installed th NTP packet.. I set  the date as the wiki says
> so.. now
> 
> date -u
> Wed Aug  6 04:25:55 UTC 2008
> 
> date
> Wed Aug  6 04:26:09 UTC 2008
> 
> 
> I did export TZ="CDT"
> 
> 
> but it seems after, the FR change the TZ again to UTC
> where can I choose my Timezone , and make sure the FR display the "good"
> time ?
> 
> regards
> philippe
> 
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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread Feydreva
yeah, it turns off at one point... but it s not consistent... and do not
seems related to any event... it stays on at least for 15 minutes after the
cable is disconnected

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> using yesterday's kernel (5th).
>
> For me, it does seem like it's indicating that the battery is charging,
> but it doesn't turn off if I unplug the USB cable (bug?). If I leave it
> connected for a while, eventually the red led turns off.
>
> -Dale
>
> W.Kenworthy wrote:
> > Seems more to indicate the phone is active - doesnt seem to be tied to
> > charging at all. Only stays off when phone is dead/suspended/off. Even
> > on when screen saver is in effect, but not suspended.  Charger on/off
> > has no effect.
> >
> > Kernel of Aug 4th
> >
> > BillK
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 15:58 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
> >
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> >> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> >>
> >> | "Yeah it indicates charging activity now."
> >> | I have to try the kernel of August 5th... But on the one of August
> 4th,
> >> | the LED stays on even after disconnecting the power cable.
> >>
> >> That's not good :-/
> >>
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Re: distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk

2008-08-05 Thread atweb

Hi,

Ovverwrite it manually with the new Version:
"opkg install 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk";
This installs direct the file via http without searching in the 
Paket-Database.



cu
Markus



Dale Maggee schrieb:
agh, I was foolish enough to hit 'Y'... can somebody give me the correct 
contents of the files i've overwritten?


didn't even notice the 'D' option, to be honest. I'll be using it next time!

Thanks.

-Dale

arne anka wrote:
  
yeah, I saw that yesterday... I had to change manually the file again  
after

the upgrade...

  
i was sure someone would run into this -- opkg asks you if you would like  
to replace those files with then package maintainer's ones.
since i use debian i am familiar with this and almost automatically hit D  
for diff'ing the old and the new file before deciding.

thus i could avoid overwriting.

  


I do not know from where this adress comes from...

  
it's obviously the result of some testing with the package building  
process that should never have made it into the feeds ...


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Date + NTP

2008-08-05 Thread Feydreva
Hello,

i installed th NTP packet.. I set  the date as the wiki says
so.. now

date -u
Wed Aug  6 04:25:55 UTC 2008

date
Wed Aug  6 04:26:09 UTC 2008


I did export TZ="CDT"


but it seems after, the FR change the TZ again to UTC
where can I choose my Timezone , and make sure the FR display the "good"
time ?

regards
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Re: GPRS Problems w/ 2008.1

2008-08-05 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Craig Woodward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean:
> Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0

Just curious, what does

sudo stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 -a

print?

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GPRS Problems w/ 2008.1

2008-08-05 Thread Craig Woodward
Ok, I'm getting something pretty odd now with GRPS setup.  I'm trying this with 
2008.1, which is probably a mistake, but...

I'm getting a connection, and have used cu to tip in and see I'm getting what 
looks to me to be valid ppp setup packets spit back at me when I enter the 
commands manually.  When I run it through ppp I'm getting the following (via 
logs).

I've never seen this particular error, and am a little confused.  I can see 
that the data coming across starts with ~y}  after a manual connect, so I know 
it's trying to link.  What's going on that manually it seems to be working but 
with pppd it's going 7-bit?

Any ideas?

=PPP LOG STARTS HERE=
Serial connection established.
using channel 1
Using interface ppp0
Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttySAC0
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1]
LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Connection terminated.
Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean:
Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
Serial connection established.
using channel 2
Using interface ppp0
Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttySAC0
disconnect script failed
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2]
LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Connection terminated.
Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean:
Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
tcflush failed: Bad file descriptor
Connect script failed
Modem hangup
=PPP LOG ENDS=

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
moved thread to [hardware]-ml, please continue there.

This thread closed and discontinued.

thanks
jOERG


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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread Dale Maggee
using yesterday's kernel (5th).

For me, it does seem like it's indicating that the battery is charging, 
but it doesn't turn off if I unplug the USB cable (bug?). If I leave it 
connected for a while, eventually the red led turns off.

-Dale

W.Kenworthy wrote:
> Seems more to indicate the phone is active - doesnt seem to be tied to
> charging at all. Only stays off when phone is dead/suspended/off. Even
> on when screen saver is in effect, but not suspended.  Charger on/off
> has no effect.
>
> Kernel of Aug 4th
>
> BillK
>
>
> On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 15:58 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
>   
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>>
>> | "Yeah it indicates charging activity now."
>> | I have to try the kernel of August 5th... But on the one of August 4th,
>> | the LED stays on even after disconnecting the power cable.
>>
>> That's not good :-/
>>
>> - -Andy
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Re: distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk

2008-08-05 Thread Dale Maggee
agh, I was foolish enough to hit 'Y'... can somebody give me the correct 
contents of the files i've overwritten?

didn't even notice the 'D' option, to be honest. I'll be using it next time!

Thanks.

-Dale

arne anka wrote:
>> yeah, I saw that yesterday... I had to change manually the file again  
>> after
>> the upgrade...
>> 
>
> i was sure someone would run into this -- opkg asks you if you would like  
> to replace those files with then package maintainer's ones.
> since i use debian i am familiar with this and almost automatically hit D  
> for diff'ing the old and the new file before deciding.
> thus i could avoid overwriting.
>
>   
>> I do not know from where this adress comes from...
>> 
>
> it's obviously the result of some testing with the package building  
> process that should never have made it into the feeds ...
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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Craig Woodward
I had this problem when I put obexftp into the startup for my bluez.  Turns out 
it doesn't auto-background, so it was hanging there just after the startup.  
Happily, I was able to ssh in, fix it, and kill the obexftp to let it start up 
normal.  Can you ssh in via USB still?  If so look at the last started process 
before your shell and see if it's hung.


 Aaron Sowry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=

>> There are 3 versions for the gta02v5 - what is the
>> difference?
>> 
>
> apparently the creation date.
>
>   
Naw... they're the same creation date, the only difference seems to be 
the `1.3.1+gitr`[22|26|30] part of the filename. I've just flashed the 
'latest' one anyway - Andy Green mentioned it could be related to the 
build problems lately.

Side note - the reason I'm flashing is because after doing an opkg 
update/upgrade on the Qtopia distro, it will no longer boot. It gets to 
the point where it looks like it should be loading up the GUI (tiny 
blinking cursor in the top left, nothing else on the screen) and hangs 
there. Anyone else had this problem?

Aaron

p.s. doesn't look like flashing u-boot helped either :(

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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread W.Kenworthy
Seems more to indicate the phone is active - doesnt seem to be tied to
charging at all. Only stays off when phone is dead/suspended/off. Even
on when screen saver is in effect, but not suspended.  Charger on/off
has no effect.

Kernel of Aug 4th

BillK


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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> 
> | "Yeah it indicates charging activity now."
> | I have to try the kernel of August 5th... But on the one of August 4th,
> | the LED stays on even after disconnecting the power cable.
> 
> That's not good :-/
> 
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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Werner Almesberger
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
> Aaron Sowry ??:
>> I've found the daily u-boot images at  
>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/
>>
>> Which one do I use? There are 3 versions for the gta02v5 - what is the  
>> difference?

It's even four ! r22, r26, r30, and r34. Besides having different git
"depths" and different build times, all these "gta02v5" versions are
bitwise identical.

So I pass this question to our daily builders: why so many if just one
would do nicely ? ;-)

- Werner

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Re: distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk

2008-08-05 Thread arne anka
> yeah, I saw that yesterday... I had to change manually the file again  
> after
> the upgrade...

i was sure someone would run into this -- opkg asks you if you would like  
to replace those files with then package maintainer's ones.
since i use debian i am familiar with this and almost automatically hit D  
for diff'ing the old and the new file before deciding.
thus i could avoid overwriting.

> I do not know from where this adress comes from...

it's obviously the result of some testing with the package building  
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Re: distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk

2008-08-05 Thread Feydreva
yeah, I saw that yesterday... I had to change manually the file again after
the upgrade...

http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed/ was also the adresse when you image
with FSO

I do not know from where this adress comes from...

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:55 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> why does distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk attempt to overwrite all
> feeds' url with
> http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed/
> ?
> this will ultimately kill any further update until replaced with
> meaningful url!
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distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk

2008-08-05 Thread arne anka
why does distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk attempt to overwrite all  
feeds' url with
http://my-distribution.org/remote-feed/
?
this will ultimately kill any further update until replaced with  
meaningful url!

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Re: ASU repository location and package for this

2008-08-05 Thread Feydreva
from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU
"It launched on August 08, 2008."

So I guess we will not have the images nor the feed before this date..


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Can someone please provide me the current main location for the
> ASU/2008.8 image? Is it on buildhost or downloads?
>
> Would be best if you could post the whole /etc/opkg/ stuff.
>
> And please create a package for this
>
> Thanks,
> Chris.
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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi  6. August 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
> I didn't really get to believe it is specifically radiated RF coupling
> yet, it can still be RF conducted via PSU.  Just something to bear in mind.

Ok, we can not exclude this. Actually it's quite possible. Anyway we need a 
decent test under controlled environment (analyze exact level of noise in dB, 
at a known PCL), then we easily could tell. There are reports that connecting 
an external antenna stopped the noise completely, which would give a cue in 
direction radiated RF coupling. Alas nobody approached the external antenna 
to the GTA02 to test whether noise starts with this procedure. Also the 
absence of noise with ext ant could be a result of better antenna gain 
leading to BS leveling down PCL.
You see there are a lot of tests, some of them rather simple, most of them not 
even clear wrt their setup, that all need to be done until I leave next week.

cheers
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Re: qtopia image at /media/card directory

2008-08-05 Thread Lorn Potter
Alex Kavanagh wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I've been running the qtopia image for a few days and I'd like to dual
> boot it with the ASU or FSO image just to keep an eye on what is
> happening with them.
> 
> Thus I have the qtopia in the main flash, and I'd like to put the ASU or
> FSO image into the SD card.
> 
> However, I ran into a problem.  the SD card is mounted at /meda/card
> (it's the original card that came with the phone), and there is a
> qtopia_db.sqlite file on it.
> 
> And sure enough the qpe process has open file handles on it and so is
> clearly using it.
> 
> Does anyone know where the config option is for moving this file off
> /media/card?  I can't find it anywhere after grepping the whole device
> for /media/card, card, /media, etc.

Look in ~/Settings/Trolltech/Storage.conf
(or /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech.Storage.conf)
In the [MountPoint0] section, change
ContentDatabase = 1
to ContentDatabase = 0

Does this help?

> 
> The other option is just to take /media/card out of fstab so it ends up
> on the main flash - but then I don't know whether qpe (and friends) are
> finding the card through other means (e.g. the block device or MTD, etc.).
> 
> Anyone know?
> 
> Cheers
> Alex.
> 
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ASU repository location and package for this

2008-08-05 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi.

Can someone please provide me the current main location for the
ASU/2008.8 image? Is it on buildhost or downloads?

Would be best if you could post the whole /etc/opkg/ stuff.

And please create a package for this

Thanks,
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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Am Mi  6. August 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
|> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|>
|> |> Just a note, on the "skelephone" that I use I replaced the GSM antenna
|> |> with a short length of patch wire, it still works (and some guy was
|> |> complaining normal GTA02 is for hardcore hackers).  I guess if I
|> |> shortened it further, it can force base station to tell me to use max
|> |> power all the time.  RF performance seems fine with $WIRE like 5cm
long.
|>
|> ...
|>
|> | the device can emit. So maybe this could be one of the possible
fixes for
|> | this issue (a very nasty one, that probably even won't yield the
desired
|> | results) to reduce gain by crippling the built-in antenna.
|>
|> Gah no not a suggested fix, just to remove one of the variables about
|> provoking the problem in as consistently bad a form as possible :-))
|
| Yup, but as I elaborated in my last posting, the resulting RF field
will stay
| at same level (to the point where MaxTXPower of amp limits further
| adjustment), so probably will the noise. :-/

I didn't really get to believe it is specifically radiated RF coupling
yet, it can still be RF conducted via PSU.  Just something to bear in mind.

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 18:56 +0800, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:

> Local has never been a related issue. It's always far end that "get's the 
> buzz". Quite basic and important to understand. We have *two* distinct 
> audio-transfers with opposite directions. Buzz is on 
> FR->(mixer,GSM)->far_end only.
> If you hear local buzz, your mixer/gsm-sidetone settings are somewhat 
> incorrect.
> 
> I'd appreciate such a wikipage and the reports there very much.
> Additional needed info: GSM-band (we don't know all providers!), signal-level 
> GSM
> In fact that's what I did in Germany, collect reports from users about noise. 
> I even had them call my answering machine so I actually collected some real 
> audio samples as *.wav. Result: in Germany it's virtually only E+ that's 
> causing the noise.
> 
> Anyway still this makes no database for a guess on percentage of users that 
> suffer from complaints of their callees about buzz-noise.

Just to add to the E+ 900 vs. 1800: 
Orange France uses 900/1800 and my phones all suffer from the buzz but
not always and not reproducibly. Except with the headphones, they can
make it so loud the communication becomes impossible. 


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Qtopia post-mortem

2008-08-05 Thread Aaron Sowry
Hi,

I have just now flashed my Freerunner with today's uboot and the latest 
Qtopia uImage and rootfs available from their website. After flashing it 
boots up fine, and I run 'opkg update' followed by 'opkg upgrade' which 
results in a lengthy process but seems to complete successfully. After 
the upgrade the applications seem to launch fine but the settings result 
in the following error (shown by logread while trying to launch the 
'appearance' setting):


Aug  5 16:38:36 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: /opt/Qtopia/bin/appearance: 
/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by 
/opt/Qtopia/lib/libQtSvg.so.4)

...[there are a huge number of these with only the 'required by' file 
changing]...

Aug  5 16:38:36 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: /opt/Qtopia/bin/appearance: 
symbol lookup error: /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqtopia.so.4: undefined symbol: 
_ZN17QAbstractItemView14dragEnterEventEP15QDragEnterEvent


After a reboot, everything seems to go fine right up until the point 
which the Qtopia GUI tries to load. There it gets stuck with a totally 
blank screen except for a blinking cursor in the upper left-hand corner, 
red LED on (stays on when USB cable is removed). The screen seems to dim 
if left alone for a while, and I can still SSH into the Freerunner in 
this state. From the logs:


Aug  5 16:47:11 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: qpe: 
/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by 
/opt/Qtopia/lib/libQtGui.so.4)
Aug  5 16:47:11 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: qpe: 
/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: no version information available (required by 
/opt/Qtopia/lib/libQtNetwork.so.4)

...[etc]...

Aug  5 16:47:12 om-gta02 user.notice Qtopia: qpe: symbol lookup error: 
/opt/Qtopia/lib/libqtopiapim.so.4: undefined symbol: 
_ZN11QListWidget9dropEventEP10QDropEvent


Most of these messages repeat themselves ad nauseum - I've seen the 'no 
version information' messages before with no apparent side effects, but 
the 'undefined symbol' one is new to me. Anyone have any ideas how I 
should be troubleshooting this?

Aaron

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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
Aaron Sowry ??:
> I've found the daily u-boot images at 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/
> 
> Which one do I use? There are 3 versions for the gta02v5 - what is the 
> difference?
> 
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Only v5 is production sale version, after all after v5 u-boot should 
could auto detect hardware version and pass correct ATAG to kernel.

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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread sparky mat
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>
> | "Yeah it indicates charging activity now."
> | I have to try the kernel of August 5th... But on the one of August 4th,
> | the LED stays on even after disconnecting the power cable.
>
> That's not good :-/


No its not. :-) . Yeah, it happens with the 5th august one as well.
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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi  6. August 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> 
> |> Just a note, on the "skelephone" that I use I replaced the GSM antenna
> |> with a short length of patch wire, it still works (and some guy was
> |> complaining normal GTA02 is for hardcore hackers).  I guess if I
> |> shortened it further, it can force base station to tell me to use max
> |> power all the time.  RF performance seems fine with $WIRE like 5cm long.
> 
> ...
> 
> | the device can emit. So maybe this could be one of the possible fixes for
> | this issue (a very nasty one, that probably even won't yield the desired
> | results) to reduce gain by crippling the built-in antenna.
> 
> Gah no not a suggested fix, just to remove one of the variables about
> provoking the problem in as consistently bad a form as possible :-))

Yup, but as I elaborated in my last posting, the resulting RF field will stay 
at same level (to the point where MaxTXPower of amp limits further 
adjustment), so probably will the noise. :-/

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Mike Montour
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:

> BS decides on this depending on signal-quality of MS as BS sees it.
> It would be *very* helpful to confirm this, by using some RF-meter (e.g. 
> microwave leakage tester?), and/or reading the battery current, while 
> observing the noise come and go-

I tested this a while ago with my Neo1973, and the noise did get quieter 
as the RF level went down. I can't quantify this - it was just 
subjective observations.

The test was a cheap Radio Shack microwave leakage tester and the phone 
sitting next to each other on my desk (not moved during the test). I 
covered both of them with a metal mixing bowl to block some of the RF 
signal. After I removed the bowl, the RF level stepped down a few times 
(a couple of seconds between steps) and the buzzing got quieter at each 
step.

I didn't look at the battery current. The Neo was transmitting audio 
throughout this test.


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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

|> Just a note, on the "skelephone" that I use I replaced the GSM antenna
|> with a short length of patch wire, it still works (and some guy was
|> complaining normal GTA02 is for hardcore hackers).  I guess if I
|> shortened it further, it can force base station to tell me to use max
|> power all the time.  RF performance seems fine with $WIRE like 5cm long.

...

| the device can emit. So maybe this could be one of the possible fixes for
| this issue (a very nasty one, that probably even won't yield the desired
| results) to reduce gain by crippling the built-in antenna.

Gah no not a suggested fix, just to remove one of the variables about
provoking the problem in as consistently bad a form as possible :-))

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Di  5. August 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> 
> |> So it comes and goes in discrete steps and it lags behind the change of
> |> position.
> |
> | That's exactly the behaviour we would expect when noise is related to
> | MS-TXPower controlled by a PCL command from BS. BS isn't responding to
> any
> | momentary change in signal-strength of inbound MS-signal, instead BS does
> 
> Sounds good.
> 
> Just a note, on the "skelephone" that I use I replaced the GSM antenna
> with a short length of patch wire, it still works (and some guy was
> complaining normal GTA02 is for hardcore hackers).  I guess if I
> shortened it further, it can force base station to tell me to use max
> power all the time.  RF performance seems fine with $WIRE like 5cm long.

When shorting the wire, we reduce antenna gain. This basically means we need 
more power from battery, to have the same RF signal strength. So yes, 
probably BS would level up the PCF, but only to the point where we have same 
local RF field around GTA02. As noise is supposed to be introduced to GTA02 
by own (and externally applied) RF, and not by battery current LF/DC, the 
only effect would be a reduced battery life time. 
In fact it's the SWR [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_wave_ratio] that 
gets worse when creating a impedance missmatch by shortening antenna, so a 
part of the RF-power is reflected at antenna rot point and fed back to 
amplifier and dissipated producing heat. Depending on power and design of 
last amplifier stage this can even burn out the amplifier.
Of course reducing the antenna gain is a little bit like flashing another 
power class to the firmware, in that it limits the maximum effective RF power 
the device can emit. So maybe this could be one of the possible fixes for 
this issue (a very nasty one, that probably even won't yield the desired 
results) to reduce gain by crippling the built-in antenna.

cheers
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qtopia image at /media/card directory

2008-08-05 Thread Alex Kavanagh
Hi

I've been running the qtopia image for a few days and I'd like to dual
boot it with the ASU or FSO image just to keep an eye on what is
happening with them.

Thus I have the qtopia in the main flash, and I'd like to put the ASU or
FSO image into the SD card.

However, I ran into a problem.  the SD card is mounted at /meda/card
(it's the original card that came with the phone), and there is a
qtopia_db.sqlite file on it.

And sure enough the qpe process has open file handles on it and so is
clearly using it.

Does anyone know where the config option is for moving this file off
/media/card?  I can't find it anywhere after grepping the whole device
for /media/card, card, /media, etc.

The other option is just to take /media/card out of fstab so it ends up
on the main flash - but then I don't know whether qpe (and friends) are
finding the card through other means (e.g. the block device or MTD, etc.).

Anyone know?

Cheers
Alex.


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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread arne anka
>>> There are 3 versions for the gta02v5 - what is the
>>> difference?
>> apparently the creation date.
> Naw... they're the same creation date, the only difference seems to be
> the `1.3.1+gitr`[22|26|30] part of the filename.

well, in my browser the "last modified" column has thre different times:  
4:18, 13:24, 16:05.  uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin has 16:05.


> Side note - the reason I'm flashing is because after doing an opkg
> update/upgrade on the Qtopia distro, it will no longer boot. It gets to
> the point where it looks like it should be loading up the GUI (tiny
> blinking cursor in the top left, nothing else on the screen) and hangs
> there. Anyone else had this problem?
>
> Aaron
>
> p.s. doesn't look like flashing u-boot helped either :(

can you log in via usb?
if so, have a look at the log with logread.

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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Aaron Sowry

>> There are 3 versions for the gta02v5 - what is the
>> difference?
>> 
>
> apparently the creation date.
>
>   
Naw... they're the same creation date, the only difference seems to be 
the `1.3.1+gitr`[22|26|30] part of the filename. I've just flashed the 
'latest' one anyway - Andy Green mentioned it could be related to the 
build problems lately.

Side note - the reason I'm flashing is because after doing an opkg 
update/upgrade on the Qtopia distro, it will no longer boot. It gets to 
the point where it looks like it should be loading up the GUI (tiny 
blinking cursor in the top left, nothing else on the screen) and hangs 
there. Anyone else had this problem?

Aaron

p.s. doesn't look like flashing u-boot helped either :(

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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread arne anka
> Which one do I use?

uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin

> There are 3 versions for the gta02v5 - what is the
> difference?

apparently the creation date.

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Re: Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| I've found the daily u-boot images at
| http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/
|
| Which one do I use? There are 3 versions for the gta02v5 - what is the
| difference?

I guess this is an outcome of the buildhost issues that are happening at
the moment.  They're all the same git hash and same size, I guess they
are all identical.  Normally there'd be just the one a day.

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Uboot

2008-08-05 Thread Aaron Sowry
I've found the daily u-boot images at 
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/

Which one do I use? There are 3 versions for the gta02v5 - what is the 
difference?

Aaron

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Re: Qtopia Questions/Bugs/Suggestions

2008-08-05 Thread leonardo
Ole Kliemann wrote:
> 
> But a new problem has appeared. When resuming after long suspend I only
> get a white screen. It can sometimes be fixed by pressing something.
> Maybe something that forces full redraw?
> 
> This problem was not when using the kernel that came with the Qtopia
> image form 20080724.

I have the same problem, plus one.
I've compiled /opt/Qtopia from source (20080804) and substituted the
whole directory as described in another thread, now sometimes the screen
blanks and yesterday after wake up I could not hear the speaker on the
other side, neither the ringtone when I was dialing. He could hear me,
on the other side.

Is there a butrack for Qtopia on freerunner?

ciao,
leonardo.

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Re: Is a 12 MB/s microSD overkill for what the glamo driver does?

2008-08-05 Thread Jim Colton
I used dd(1) to read 100M from each the stock SD card and one that is
supposedly rated at 12MB/sec and
there was not any noticeable difference is rate of transfer.  The rate was
about 3 megabytes per second - same as what Andy Green said he saw.

I had already ordered that SD before I learned from Tim S. that the bus is
at 7MB/s.
So I'm returning the 4GB card to get one (from newegg) that is 8GB and not
concerning myself with it's speed.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Tim Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Esben Stien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > "Jim Colton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> in M bytes per second
> >
> > Please use new SI convention, Mi (Mebi), Gi (Gibi), Ti (Tebi).
> >
> > It's also a nice convention to use octects, o, instead of bytes, as
> > bytes are not always 8 bits.
> >
> > So, to be perfectly clear, 1Mio (Mebiotctet), 1Gio (Gibioctet), 1Gib
> > (Gibibit).
>
> No, thank you.
>
> 50+ years of computer science has already resulted in perfectly usable
> standard units.
>
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Re: gta02, 2007.2: state of upgrades

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 14:00 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
|> Tomorrow's U-Boot is recommended.  Current U-Boot has 50% chance per
|> boot of breaking USB device for the session (including in Linux).
| Which one is this exactly?
|
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr30+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb-r0.bin
?

Looks good.

| Does this still have any serious bugs?

What can I say... probably.  Nothing springs to mind though.

| Should I only upgrade the uboot in NAND (by first booting into NOR uboot
| and then doing a
| dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr30
| +64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb-r0.bin)?

Looks reasonable.

| Or also that one in NOR?

No best to leave the NOR guy alone.

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Re: gta02, 2007.2: state of upgrades

2008-08-05 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 14:00 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
> Tomorrow's U-Boot is recommended.  Current U-Boot has 50% chance per
> boot of breaking USB device for the session (including in Linux).
Which one is this exactly?
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr30+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb-r0.bin
 ?

Does this still have any serious bugs?

Should I only upgrade the uboot in NAND (by first booting into NOR uboot
and then doing a
dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr30
+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb-r0.bin)?
Or also that one in NOR?


Thanks,
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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| "Yeah it indicates charging activity now."
| I have to try the kernel of August 5th... But on the one of August 4th,
| the LED stays on even after disconnecting the power cable.

That's not good :-/

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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread Feydreva
"Yeah it indicates charging activity now."
I have to try the kernel of August 5th... But on the one of August 4th, the
LED stays on even after disconnecting the power cable.


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/ , the
> | led light stays light after boot.
> |
> | The files I used are :
> |
>
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080805-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
> |
>
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/uImage-2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2-om-gta02.bin
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> | I have never updated my u-boot since I got the phone. Does this have
> | something to do with that?
>
> Yeah it indicates charging activity now.
>
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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

|> So it comes and goes in discrete steps and it lags behind the change of
|> position.
|
| That's exactly the behaviour we would expect when noise is related to
| MS-TXPower controlled by a PCL command from BS. BS isn't responding to
any
| momentary change in signal-strength of inbound MS-signal, instead BS does

Sounds good.

Just a note, on the "skelephone" that I use I replaced the GSM antenna
with a short length of patch wire, it still works (and some guy was
complaining normal GTA02 is for hardcore hackers).  I guess if I
shortened it further, it can force base station to tell me to use max
power all the time.  RF performance seems fine with $WIRE like 5cm long.

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Di  5. August 2008 schrieb Ole Kliemann:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 07:49:51PM +0800, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> > Am Di  5. August 2008 schrieb Jeffrey Ratcliffe:
> > > 2008/8/5 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > Like Ole says when I started looking at it, by calling a landline in 
the
> > > > same room and listening to its receiver lying on the desk, it varied
> > > > tremendously and not in a repeatable way.  Eg, it appeared to vary by
> > > > orientation of the phone, but when I traced the path backwards, the 
buzz
> > > > did not return.
> > > 
> > > OK. Confirming this - the buzzing seems to come and go in waves of
> > > varying frequency. Even without touching the phone, the buzzing just
> > > comes and goes.
> > 
> > I noticed the buzz come and go in discrete steps. I guess that's 
basestation 
> > sending PCL commands to mobile, to level up/down the TX-power.
> > BS decides on this depending on signal-quality of MS as BS sees it.
> > It would be *very* helpful to confirm this, by using some RF-meter (e.g. 
> > microwave leakage tester?), and/or reading the battery current, while 
> > observing the noise come and go-
> 
> I can only observe: I did this test some weeks ago at my home. The FR
> has signaficantly better signal when held out of the window. 
> 
> When holding out of the window during a call, it takes a short moment
> then buzzing disappears quite suddenly. Going back into the room again
> after a moment the buzzing returns suddenly.
> 
> So it comes and goes in discrete steps and it lags behind the change of
> position.

That's exactly the behaviour we would expect when noise is related to 
MS-TXPower controlled by a PCL command from BS. BS isn't responding to any 
momentary change in signal-strength of inbound MS-signal, instead BS does 
some averaging on signal-quality and then decides to send a PCL to MS 
eventually.
There are a maximum of 32 PCL steps, actually not all of them are valid for 
type of FR GSM-chipset.
Remark: FR immediately tore down the connection, when I sent a PCL command to 
level up to an (invalid?) high powerlevel (PCL0. On "CMU200 universal radio 
communication tester", kind of a test-BS). But aside from that we still try 
to reproduce the noise under controlled test environment. Strange enough, so 
far there seems to be no noise when on CMU200. Anyway tests are not completed 
yet. 
So it's very important to get as much detail as possible on situations where 
noise actually is seen. Such as battery current, GSM-signal level, frequency 
etc.

Quotes from  R&S CMU200 manual:
>>
Power control level (PCL)
Dynamic power control is used in GSM networks to reduce
the output power of the mobile station as far as possible. In
practice the base station sets the mobile power on a dimen-
sionless scale of power control levels (PCL) ranging from 0 to
31. In GSM900, PCL 0 corresponds to the largest nominal
output power (39 dBm), power control levels between 16 and
31 can be set for phase II mobiles only.
In contrast to the PCL the power class characterizes the
nominal maximum output power of the mobile. Depending on
the power class of the mobile the range of possible PCL set-
tings may be restricted.
<<<

GSM mobile phones are divided into different power classes according to their 
maximum output power:

Power classNominal maximum output power in dBm
   GSM400GSM1800 GSM1900
   GSM GT800
   GSM850
   GSM900
1 – 30   30
2 3924   24
3 3736   33
4 33
5 29




Besides, a dimensionless scale of power control levels (PCL) is determined for 
dynamic control of the mobile power:

   GSM Power control levels (PCL)
Power control level, PCLNominal output power in dBm
   GSM400/  GSM1800GSM1900
   GSM GT800
   GSM850/
   GSM900
  0   39 3030
  1   39 2828
  2   39 2626
  3   37 2424
  4   35 2222
  5   33 2020
  6   31 1818
  7   29 1616
  8   27 1414
  9   25 1212
 10 

Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 07:49:51PM +0800, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> Am Di  5. August 2008 schrieb Jeffrey Ratcliffe:
> > 2008/8/5 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Like Ole says when I started looking at it, by calling a landline in the
> > > same room and listening to its receiver lying on the desk, it varied
> > > tremendously and not in a repeatable way.  Eg, it appeared to vary by
> > > orientation of the phone, but when I traced the path backwards, the buzz
> > > did not return.
> > 
> > OK. Confirming this - the buzzing seems to come and go in waves of
> > varying frequency. Even without touching the phone, the buzzing just
> > comes and goes.
> 
> I noticed the buzz come and go in discrete steps. I guess that's basestation 
> sending PCF commands to mobile, to level up/down the TX-power.
> BS decides on this depending on signal-quality of MS as BS sees it.
> It would be *very* helpful to confirm this, by using some RF-meter (e.g. 
> microwave leakage tester?), and/or reading the battery current, while 
> observing the noise come and go-

I can only observe: I did this test some weeks ago at my home. The FR
has signaficantly better signal when held out of the window. 

When holding out of the window during a call, it takes a short moment
then buzzing disappears quite suddenly. Going back into the room again
after a moment the buzzing returns suddenly.

So it comes and goes in discrete steps and it lags behind the change of
position.

BTW: Not that I would know anything about these things. But would it be
possible to lower the TX-power of the FR to see how far down you can go
without loosing connection? 

I have active speakers in my room that catch GSM signals. I noticed
several times that the noise in the speakers when the phone is
registering is louder with the FR than with a Motorola V3x with the same
SIM.


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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Di  5. August 2008 schrieb Jeffrey Ratcliffe:
> 2008/8/5 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Like Ole says when I started looking at it, by calling a landline in the
> > same room and listening to its receiver lying on the desk, it varied
> > tremendously and not in a repeatable way.  Eg, it appeared to vary by
> > orientation of the phone, but when I traced the path backwards, the buzz
> > did not return.
> 
> OK. Confirming this - the buzzing seems to come and go in waves of
> varying frequency. Even without touching the phone, the buzzing just
> comes and goes.

I noticed the buzz come and go in discrete steps. I guess that's basestation 
sending PCF commands to mobile, to level up/down the TX-power.
BS decides on this depending on signal-quality of MS as BS sees it.
It would be *very* helpful to confirm this, by using some RF-meter (e.g. 
microwave leakage tester?), and/or reading the battery current, while 
observing the noise come and go-

> 
> > Also, I had to keep whistling during this to provoke transmission
> > actions that seem to be the start of the issue.
> 
> You obviously need a signal generator for repeatability - unless you
> have perfect pitch...

Nah, that's just to give some data to GSM-chip it has to transmit. Otherwise 
it will enter dicontinuous transmission mode, means simply stopping to 
transmit as there's nothing but silence we had to send to the other end.
So the actual pitch is irrelevant. Any kind of noise will do, as long as it's 
loud enough.

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2008/8/5 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Like Ole says when I started looking at it, by calling a landline in the
> same room and listening to its receiver lying on the desk, it varied
> tremendously and not in a repeatable way.  Eg, it appeared to vary by
> orientation of the phone, but when I traced the path backwards, the buzz
> did not return.

OK. Confirming this - the buzzing seems to come and go in waves of
varying frequency. Even without touching the phone, the buzzing just
comes and goes.

> Also, I had to keep whistling during this to provoke transmission
> actions that seem to be the start of the issue.

You obviously need a signal generator for repeatability - unless you
have perfect pitch...

Jeff

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Di  5. August 2008 schrieb Jeffrey Ratcliffe:
> 2008/8/5 Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Only thing you may try for now is changing GSM-provider, as it seems to be
> > very clear the issue is to be found on some GSM-networks, and not (or 
less)
> > on some others. Generally the 1800/1900 networks seem to be more likely to
> > cause this problem than the 850/900 networks. For Germany I got reports f
> > noise only for E+ network (and resellers)
> 
> My experience on Blau (E+) is that I hear the caller excellently - but
> the caller complains that buzzing is very bad.
> 
> > Hard to tell. We don't get sufficient number of reports, and due to nature 
of
> > reports nearly all are problem-reports, people without problems usually 
don't
> > post a report.
> 
> I suggest, therefore, a wiki page where users are encouraged to
> document the line quality at both ends (good or bad) against their
> provider.

Local has never been a related issue. It's always far end that "get's the 
buzz". Quite basic and important to understand. We have *two* distinct 
audio-transfers with opposite directions. Buzz is on 
FR->(mixer,GSM)->far_end only.
If you hear local buzz, your mixer/gsm-sidetone settings are somewhat 
incorrect.

I'd appreciate such a wikipage and the reports there very much.
Additional needed info: GSM-band (we don't know all providers!), signal-level 
GSM
In fact that's what I did in Germany, collect reports from users about noise. 
I even had them call my answering machine so I actually collected some real 
audio samples as *.wav. Result: in Germany it's virtually only E+ that's 
causing the noise.

Anyway still this makes no database for a guess on percentage of users that 
suffer from complaints of their callees about buzz-noise.

cheers
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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| 2008/8/5 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|> Do they say the buzzing is consistent, or it comes and goes?
|
| I've not asked in any detail. What frequency of coming and going has
| been reported? Are we talking seconds or minutes?

Like Ole says when I started looking at it, by calling a landline in the
same room and listening to its receiver lying on the desk, it varied
tremendously and not in a repeatable way.  Eg, it appeared to vary by
orientation of the phone, but when I traced the path backwards, the buzz
did not return.

Also, I had to keep whistling during this to provoke transmission
actions that seem to be the start of the issue.

Next I am gonna try rubbing my tummy at the same time :-O  Maybe a bag
of frozen peas on my head :-O

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2008/8/5 Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Do they say the buzzing is consistent, or it comes and goes?

I've not asked in any detail. What frequency of coming and going has
been reported? Are we talking seconds or minutes?

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 11:25:56AM +0100, Andy Green wrote:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | 2008/8/5 Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> |> Only thing you may try for now is changing GSM-provider, as it seems
> to be
> |> very clear the issue is to be found on some GSM-networks, and not (or
> less)
> |> on some others. Generally the 1800/1900 networks seem to be more
> likely to
> |> cause this problem than the 850/900 networks. For Germany I got reports f
> |> noise only for E+ network (and resellers)
> |
> | My experience on Blau (E+) is that I hear the caller excellently - but
> | the caller complains that buzzing is very bad.
> 
> Do they say the buzzing is consistent, or it comes and goes?

For me using Simyo (E+) the far-end buzzing is consistent as long as the phone
lies still. It varies depending on:
- where you touch the phone
- in which orientation you hold it
- whether you move around with the phone

BTW: Near-end buzzing I think is dependent on alsamixer. At least I had
images with only far-end buzzing.


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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| 2008/8/5 Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|> Only thing you may try for now is changing GSM-provider, as it seems
to be
|> very clear the issue is to be found on some GSM-networks, and not (or
less)
|> on some others. Generally the 1800/1900 networks seem to be more
likely to
|> cause this problem than the 850/900 networks. For Germany I got reports f
|> noise only for E+ network (and resellers)
|
| My experience on Blau (E+) is that I hear the caller excellently - but
| the caller complains that buzzing is very bad.

Do they say the buzzing is consistent, or it comes and goes?

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2008/8/5 Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Only thing you may try for now is changing GSM-provider, as it seems to be
> very clear the issue is to be found on some GSM-networks, and not (or less)
> on some others. Generally the 1800/1900 networks seem to be more likely to
> cause this problem than the 850/900 networks. For Germany I got reports f
> noise only for E+ network (and resellers)

My experience on Blau (E+) is that I hear the caller excellently - but
the caller complains that buzzing is very bad.

> Hard to tell. We don't get sufficient number of reports, and due to nature of
> reports nearly all are problem-reports, people without problems usually don't
> post a report.

I suggest, therefore, a wiki page where users are encouraged to
document the line quality at both ends (good or bad) against their
provider.

Regards

Jeff

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Re: Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Di  5. August 2008 schrieb Sebastien Nanchen:
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I played with my Freerunner for some days now. I am part of the users who
> have the "buzzing sound" problem. I modified the sound configuration as 
described
> in the wiki and was able to eradicate the echo (caller-side) and to make the 
low-level
> voice volume (called-side) acceptable.

Fine! :-)

> But the buzzing sound stays and make the FR 
> unusable as a phone (I tried both OM 2007.2 and the latest image of Qtopia).

The "GSM-buzz-noise" issue isn't related to image used. At least that's what 
we think of it at the moment. It's a hw-issue. (Please note we fixed other 
hw-issues by sw-patch - compare sd-card/GPS). Anyway there's no *bug* in any 
of the sw-stacks/images that causes this issue, so changing image won't help, 
until we eventually might find a sw-fix for the hw-issue.


>  
> I know this was much discussed in the ML, and I'm sorry to come with this 
topic again,
> but I haven't found any answer yet. 

There isn't any yet. My regret :.(

> I would know if y missed some important information 
> about a tweak solving this issue?

Only thing you may try for now is changing GSM-provider, as it seems to be 
very clear the issue is to be found on some GSM-networks, and not (or less) 
on some others. Generally the 1800/1900 networks seem to be more likely to 
cause this problem than the 850/900 networks. For Germany I got reports f 
noise only for E+ network (and resellers)

>  
> If not, does somebody have an idea about how many users are experiencing the 
same
> problem (10%, 30%, more?)

Hard to tell. We don't get sufficient number of reports, and due to nature of 
reports nearly all are problem-reports, people without problems usually don't 
post a report.


>  
> Is there any hope we can use our freed phone as a phone in a foreseeable 
future?

See above...
Investigation on issue continues.

cheers
jOERG


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Re: Unable to install gpsd

2008-08-05 Thread Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
sparky mat ??:
> I am using today's build of 2007.2.
> 
> When I do 'opkg install gpsd', I get the following error:
> 
> Downloading 
> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r9_armv4t.ipk
> Collected errors:
>  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures 
> configured
>  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures 
> configured
>  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures 
> configured
>  * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures 
> configured
>  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpsd:
>  *  gpsd-conf *
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
>

http://buildhost.automated.it/ is not openmoko server , should be in

openmoko/deploy/glibc/ipk/om-gta02/gpsd-conf_2.34-r9_om-gta02.ipk

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Re: Opkg progress bar

2008-08-05 Thread Tilman Baumann
sparky mat wrote:
> Out of curiosity, what happened to the progress bar for each task in 
> opkg? I assume it must've been removed for good reason, just wondering 
> what that was.

I believe the reason was that it used to use wget for downloading, which 
has itself a progress bar.
But it uses libcurl now, which does not (out of the box).

curl is of course the better choice. *g*

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Re: USB networking in Ubuntu

2008-08-05 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mo  4. August 2008 schrieb Olivier Berger:
> Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Am So  3. August 2008 schrieb sparky mat:
> >> Flushed '-t filter'. Added MASQUERADE-ing as per the wiki. It worked.
> >> Finally, my TangoGPS can download maps :P
> >> 
> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:50 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:45 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I am not sure what I did (though it seems like ifconfig usb0
> >> >> 192.168.0.200 followed by ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202) but it works 
now!!
> >> >> I can ssh in :D ..
> >> >>
> >> >> Ok.. now for some MASQUERADE-ing
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Stopped working. It's something to do with my iptables. Figuring it 
out.
> >
> > Please note there's an issue with uboot breaking usb for 50% of the boots.
> > so if it doesn't work, a simple reboot of FR might change it.
> > Refer to Andy's postings of last 48h on this issue.
> >
> 
> Thanks for that information. However, a proper link would have been
> useful :-(
> 
> Maybe :
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/000912.html ?
> 
> Best regards,

Maybe just adding the link by yourself would have been enough :-(
My job is to fix your hw and create new one, not to supply links.
C'mon encourage me to give such information in the future, when I come along.
Best regards
jOERG


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ASU daily builds

2008-08-05 Thread sparky mat
Are ASU daily builds no longer available? None of the folders (at
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/ ) have any ASU jffs2
files.
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Unable to install gpsd

2008-08-05 Thread sparky mat
I am using today's build of 2007.2.

When I do 'opkg install gpsd', I get the following error:

Downloading
http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r9_armv4t.ipk
Collected errors:
 * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures
configured
 * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures
configured
 * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures
configured
 * Packages were found, but none compatible with the architectures
configured
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gpsd:
 *  gpsd-conf *


Any ideas?
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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| Gta02v5 is the mass-production version.

Yes that one is good for A6 too when they come.  A6 is same as A5 except
for very minor changes in components.

| I took the plunge and flashed the 'fore mentioned u-boot. Boot seems
| faster. And USB networking works now!! :-)

Great.

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Opkg progress bar

2008-08-05 Thread sparky mat
Out of curiosity, what happened to the progress bar for each task in opkg? I
assume it must've been removed for good reason, just wondering what that
was.
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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread sparky mat
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:52 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Ever since I flashed the latest firmware from
>>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/ , the
>>> led light stays light after boot.
>>>
>>> The files I used are :
>>>
>>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080805-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
>>>
>>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/uImage-2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2-om-gta02.bin
>>>
>>> I have never updated my u-boot since I got the phone. Does this have
>>> something to do with that?
>>>
>>> - sparkymat
>>>
>>
>> Ok. Now USB networking is not working. Is flashing
>> 'u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr22+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb-r0.bin'
>> gonna help?
>>
>
> Why is there a gta02v2, v4 and a v5? How do I know which one I need?
>

Gta02v5 is the mass-production version.

I took the plunge and flashed the 'fore mentioned u-boot. Boot seems faster.
And USB networking works now!! :-)
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Buzzing sound

2008-08-05 Thread Sebastien Nanchen


Hello,
 
I played with my Freerunner for some days now. I am part of the users who
have the "buzzing sound" problem. I modified the sound configuration as 
described
in the wiki and was able to eradicate the echo (caller-side) and to make the 
low-level
voice volume (called-side) acceptable. But the buzzing sound stays and make the 
FR
unusable as a phone (I tried both OM 2007.2 and the latest image of Qtopia).
 
I know this was much discussed in the ML, and I'm sorry to come with this topic 
again,
but I haven't found any answer yet. I would know if y missed some important 
information
about a tweak solving this issue?
 
If not, does somebody have an idea about how many users are experiencing the 
same
problem (10%, 30%, more?)
 
Is there any hope we can use our freed phone as a phone in a foreseeable future?
 
Thanks to anybody who can lessen my anguish !
 
Sébastien
 
 
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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread sparky mat
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Ever since I flashed the latest firmware from
>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/ , the led
>> light stays light after boot.
>>
>> The files I used are :
>>
>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080805-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
>>
>> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/uImage-2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2-om-gta02.bin
>>
>> I have never updated my u-boot since I got the phone. Does this have
>> something to do with that?
>>
>> - sparkymat
>>
>
> Ok. Now USB networking is not working. Is flashing
> 'u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr22+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb-r0.bin'
> gonna help?
>

Why is there a gta02v2, v4 and a v5? How do I know which one I need?
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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread sparky mat
And what about USB networking? Do I need to do something to get it to work?
Is it an optional module now that I have to install manually? (Thought I
read something like that on the mailing list)

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> | Ever since I flashed the latest firmware from
> | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/ , the
> | led light stays light after boot.
> |
> | The files I used are :
> |
>
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080805-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
> |
>
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/uImage-2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2-om-gta02.bin
> |
> | I have never updated my u-boot since I got the phone. Does this have
> | something to do with that?
>
> Yeah it indicates charging activity now.
>
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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread sparky mat
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ever since I flashed the latest firmware from
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/ , the led
> light stays light after boot.
>
> The files I used are :
>
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080805-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
>
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/uImage-2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2-om-gta02.bin
>
> I have never updated my u-boot since I got the phone. Does this have
> something to do with that?
>
> - sparkymat
>

Ok. Now USB networking is not working. Is flashing
'u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr22+64eb10cab8055084ae25ea4e73b66dd03cc1a0cb-r0.bin'
gonna help?
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Re: Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Ever since I flashed the latest firmware from
| http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/ , the
| led light stays light after boot.
|
| The files I used are :
|
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080805-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
|
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/uImage-2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2-om-gta02.bin
|
| I have never updated my u-boot since I got the phone. Does this have
| something to do with that?

Yeah it indicates charging activity now.

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Led light stay on after boot

2008-08-05 Thread sparky mat
Ever since I flashed the latest firmware from
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/ , the led
light stays light after boot.

The files I used are :
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080805-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080805/uImage-2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2-om-gta02.bin

I have never updated my u-boot since I got the phone. Does this have
something to do with that?

- sparkymat
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