Re: [QT Extended Improved 20090316 snapbuild] Wake up from suspend on incoming call
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian wrote: QT Extended won't resume from suspend on an incoming call (possibly SMS as well), it will only respond to the event if it is already on. If it was suspended it believes that it is receiving the event when it is later turned on, likely well after the event. I'd expect that an incoming call or SMS while in suspend mode isn't a valid use case... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvss7FbVnQRV3OEYRApTcAKCg9peemfAqQuBNvB9OkWBEnT33qwCfQpK1 /cACn/RjDuAaD6bNy0soZLo= =b3ev -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [QT Extended Improved 20090316 snapbuild] Wake up from suspend on incoming call
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian wrote: Don't you start Dale hehe... oh, alright... ;) On a completely different and overly fastidious note, Isn't Eric S Raymond's name spelled with a 'c' and not a 'k'? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen it spelled with a 'k' before...? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJvx4tFbVnQRV3OEYRAsOhAKCIJ7WK6MDXXlf2H5vmaXMOwoBnLACeOJ7+ C4Q6wFjxNEVKcFhMY40KYoA= =nvIp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Karthik Kumar wrote: (Many many trollish and uninformed things) Karthik: I think I probably speak for a reasonable portion of the community when I say this: Go buy an iphone. Put your FreeRunner on ebay. You'll like the iphone - it has DRM and you can buy software for it! And if you don't like it, you can lodge a support ticket with Apple, who will be more than happy to send you an automated response containing no real information... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJRhyeFbVnQRV3OEYRAtRRAKCBWVHL+JPiblTmKhLQUvUD0Vf5PQCgqAFG Cc9IZtW3AlGyxQnRhq/hDfA= =o0K3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Karthik Kumar wrote: Is that how you reply as a company which makes a phone? We can't fix it so go buy our competitors' closed phones? I'd expect better from you (like saying, yes, we'll fix it) than buy our competitor's phone. Um... when did openmoko say anything of the sort? Am I an OM employee but I just don't know it? you've just demonstrated yourself to be even stupider than I thought, which I must admit is quite an accomplishment, congratulations. No, really, go buy an iphone - they're designed for morons. You'll fit right in. If i had bought the competitors' phone, i wouldn't be cribbing now that i've bought your phone, right? No, you'd be languishing in an idiot's paradise, making phone calls and not bitching constantly... ok, so maybe that's premature, I'm sure you'd find something to bitch about... it's just that then you'd have to bitch to apple, and not us, and since apple don't care once they've got your money and can send automated responses, and we wouldn't have to put up with you anymore, it's really just a better arrangement for everybody. Maybe Openmoko should trade in iPhones instead of Freerunners, considering I already paid for a Freerunner. What do you think for that for a response? What do I think of that for a response? Stupid and uninformed. What a big suprise. If it's really that bad, put your FR on ebay and go buy an iphone. everybody will be happier - not just you, but the thousands of poor sods like me who's inboxes are being clogged up on a daily basis with your bullshit. fsck off and go buy an iphone. Seriously. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJRlmfFbVnQRV3OEYRAoE7AJwIPDdrPxY6ImZFShtQXfXiWQR3ZgCgq1/a tXOJSTJI3Chncho4eKlIvUI= =T4w/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Karthik Kumar wrote: I know better. I could debate that at great length, cuz it's pretty god damn obvious to us all that you don't know shit, but I've had a better Idea - I'm just gonna create a filter to automatically delete anything sent by you. I hope for your sake you never have a problem with NeoTool. bye now. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJRt2TFbVnQRV3OEYRAo7nAJ0aoKsVyqebSdK2YfULPBq2YUKejwCfdm2d 47HxhLbTnMGK2mTAIlacvkQ= =ttHp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
Thomas White wrote: Your service provider should know the IMEI number I believe it's also written on a small sticky label on the bottom of the nice black Freerunner box, but I don't have mind to hand to test. Just had a look at mine, and It is indeed on the bottom of the box. -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
qt extended - no ring
Hi, Today I flashed qt extended 4.4.2 to my FreeRunner. It seems very nice, but there are two problems, one minor, one more major: 1. it doesn't make any noise when a call or message comes in. It vibrates, but it doesn't ring. If I answer the call, it works fine - I can hear the caller etc, it's just the ring / message tone which doesn't seem to be playing. 2. It doesn't seem to mark sms messages as 'read' - when a new message arrives it says 6 messages have arrived, not 1. The only way around this seems to be deleting the messages as I read them, which I'd rather not do. Any suggestions? Regards, -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Is there a dfu-util that can successfully backup an existing flash?
Bill, shameless self-promotion NeoTool will backup whatever you like, including rootfs, to a flashable image. It uses dfu-util for things like uboot, and the ssh / mkfs.jffs method method described elswehere to backup rootfs, and the images you get are flashable. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool /shameless self-promotion Cheers, -Dale William Kenworthy wrote: Is there a dfu-util that can successfully backup an existing flash? Last one I tried still failed. Its a big discouragement to trying new distros/experimenting when it takes hours to reinstall/rebuild back to where you were when you started when a simple flash the old system back would do. BillK ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Software package
stefan gustavsson wrote: Where do i activate the handwriting software, i have downloaded the x11 handwriting software to the neo freerunner with OM2008.8, but i cant find where to activate it. The other question i had is where do i find the software/package that enables the motion features on the neo freerunner, like the screen adapting to how you hold your phone. Thanks in advance Kind Regards Stefan create a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/applications, using one of the existing ones as a template. HTH, -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Battery discharging while plugged in
Edgar D' Souza wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, currently when I have my freerunner plugged into USB, it will charge to 100% and then start (slowly) discharging. If I unplug the USB cable and plug it back in, it charges back up to 100 percent, then starts discharging again. any Ideas? ONLY an idea, no factual knowledge :) but: Perhaps the charging circuitry is flipped off when the battery reaches 100% reported charge level, and then the phone is running off of battery, causing the slow discharge you see? When you unplug and replug, since the battery is below 100%, the charging circuit is turned back on till battery level once again reaches 100%? Think this is the explanation? Have you tried unplugging the phone when it hits 100% batt charge, and leaving it unplugged, and seeing if it maintains the same rate of discharge? Are you in a good signal coverage area, or does the phone have to 'shout' to talk with the tower (presuming your GSM is on)? When I'm in low-signal areas, the battery discharges faster. Been that way for my Nokia (past) and Motorola (present) phones too. What about other chipsets - Bluetooth, GPS, WiFi? Are they powered off, or are they on? Might be contributing to battery drain... HTH Ed. Ed, Yes, this sounds like the correct explanation - it stops charging once it hits 100%. When I have it unplugged, it SEEMS to discharge faster, but this may be due to usage [i.e, when it's plugged in, the screen is turned off most of the time ( I use the 'dim only, don't lock' option), as I tend to do everything via ssh. When it's unplugged it tends to either be in use or in my pocket (where the screen tends to get bumped and therefore powers back on briefly). I'll do some more testing by unplugging it and putting it on the desk while i'm not using it, and report back ] I'm in a good coverage area, and usually have full bars or close to it. I usually have GPS, bluetooth, and wifi turned on, although sometimes I turn them off to conserve battery life when I'm not going to be near a charger for a while. It used to just stay at 100% when left plugged in, so I'm guessing that one of the updates (probably the kernel? possibly around the time we started using the 'aux' led to indicate charging) has changed this. cheers, -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Battery discharging while plugged in
Edgar D' Souza wrote: Hmmm... I suppose there's a good reason for that, not being as aware of battery tech as I ought to be :-) AFAIK, Li-Ion batteries don't suffer from the memory effect, so I don't really see what harm would be done by keeping a constant trickle charge going, sufficient to offset power demands from the hardware. Just for the list's info, though - if this is a software issue, would you mind posting which kernel/rootfs versions you're using? Thanks, Ed. kernel version is in my original message, rootfs is a fully updated 2007.2 ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Battery discharging while plugged in
Which charger are you using? USB cable connected to computer, not the charger. Is the phone on and unsuspended the whole time you're charging? yes, using 2007.2's dim only, don't lock option, so most of the time the screen is turned off, but the phone is not suspended. I don't use suspend. Some chargers only work at 100mA which will charge you when the phone is off or suspended (slowly) but it will gradually discharge if you have the phone drawing operational power. erm, i don't know how to tell for sure, but I'm pretty sure it's getting 500mA from the PC - it will charge to 100% in a few hours (not the 12 hours needed at 100mA). it's plugged directly into a USB port, not a USB hub or anything like that. Host is running fedora, not sure how to determine how much power the it's drawing, but 'lsusb -v' gives me (among much other info): bmAttributes 0xc0 Self Powered MaxPower 500mA the way I'm plugging it in hasn't changed since It used to charge to 100% and stay there. Thanks, -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Battery discharging while plugged in
Daniel Benoy wrote: See if you have the same problem with the official charger. Ok, I'll switch it over to the charger later tonight and report back. the way I'm plugging it in hasn't changed since It used to charge to 100% and stay there. My theory isn't so good then.. but it's still worth looking in to whether you're drawing the required current. erm, i don't know how to tell for sure This is a Freerunner right? Try this: cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type The far right should be the amperage that the charger is currently set to draw. More details (and other things in sysfs you may want to examine) here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs If you're plugged directly into the host, you should be getting 500mA, assuming your operating system is performing power negociation properly. Hubs can be inconsistant unless they have external power. Yep, 500mA: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type host/500mA usb mode 500mA Thanks, -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Battery discharging while plugged in
-stacy wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: Hi, currently when I have my freerunner plugged into USB, it will charge to 100% and then start (slowly) discharging. If I unplug the USB cable and plug it back in, it charges back up to 100 percent, then starts discharging again. any Ideas? I noticed the same thing, I have a short shell script that will cause it to start charging again with unpluging the USB cable. = #!/bin/sh chgmode=/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode cat $chgmode echo 0 $chgmode cat $chgmode echo 1 $chgmode cat $chgmode = When you run it, the output should look like # chgmode enabled play-only fast # -stacy Did you mean to say withOUT unpluging the USB cable.? I get the output you described when I run this. Thanks. -D ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Battery discharging while plugged in
Hi, currently when I have my freerunner plugged into USB, it will charge to 100% and then start (slowly) discharging. If I unplug the USB cable and plug it back in, it charges back up to 100 percent, then starts discharging again. any Ideas? I'm using 2007.2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list_installed | grep kernel kernel - 2:2.6.24+git37+d744c88c149269b95ec068c8615e492375415d6d-r2 - kernel-2.6.24 - 2:2.6.24+git37+d744c88c149269b95ec068c8615e492375415d6d-r2 - Thanks, -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alsa scenarios , mixer
François TOURDE wrote: Le 14117ième jour après Epoch, Dale Maggee écrivait: SNIP! I wrote a shell script which tells you which state is currently loaded, using this you can figure out what each state file is for: May I suggest a small update to your script, to check if multiple files are matching current alsa status? SNIP! good point, I had it exiting for maximum speed, it never occured to me that there might be multiple identical statefiles. Thanks. Anyway, this script is usefull when trying to check what's up with the sound, and that jack insertion do nothing on sound :( it does for me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ./findstate Current statefile is: /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state (plug in headset) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ./findstate Current statefile is: /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/headset.state [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# also when I use the headset in a call it uses gsmheadset.state rather than gsmhandset.state (I'm using 2007.2) ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alsa scenarios , mixer
Armin ranjbar wrote: Dear all , i have two question regarding FR audio subsystem : 1 i need to when any of alsa scenario files are loading , i need to make modification but i really wonder when which will get loaded 2 i need to know exactly what each element of alsamixer doing ? I wrote a shell script which tells you which state is currently loaded, using this you can figure out what each state file is for: ---BEGIN--- #!/bin/sh CS=/tmp/current.state alsactl -f $CS store for F in `ls /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/*.state`; do #echo Comparing with $F if [ `diff $CS $F` = ]; then echo Current statefile is: $F exit fi done; echo Current state matches no file! ---END--- As for knowing exactly what each mixer element does, I'd love to know this too! HTH, -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Freerunner issues
1. Disabling standby sounds like a good (but temporary) solution. BTW, how long does the battery last in such cases? This is something I've been trying to figure out. It's highly dependant on how many times the screen gets touched (and thus turns itself on for a few seconds) in your pocket, which will depend on how much you move around and how secure it is in your pocket. In my experience and from my estimates, I would say you should get 3-4 hours, though I have personally had it disconnected from power for about 5.5 hours in this fashion (for most of that time it was in my jacket pocket hung over a chair, thus not moving very much at all - fewer screen touches). Your mileage *will* vary. On this note, I'd love to come up with a way to disable the screen powering back up until I push one of the buttons or something, to stop the screen from turning on everytime I hit a bump on my motorbike. Another solution would be some kind of flip down screen protector like on my ipaq, which prevents the screen from being touched by keys / inside of pocket / etc: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/ppct-ipaq6900-preview-large-01.jpg 2. Also, is there a way to disable or enable 'ringtone'? I need the phone in silent mode most of the times during the day (so, right now the standby kind of helps :) ). I don't believe so via the gui, but you could probably achieve this through the use of the alsa states. i.e: to create a silent state: 1. run alsamixer, and fiddle until you've muted the ringer volume 2. alsactl -f ~/silent.state store then to put the phone in silent mode, use: alsactl -f ~/silent.state restore to put it back into normal nonsilent mode: alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state restore Not so important one: I hope to load the 2008.8 into the sd-card and have a dual boot configuration. Let me know if this is not possible, take a look at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Moving_current_system_from_flash_to_SD I haven't tried it yet though... This solution is interesting: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-August/025388.html will give it a try, thanks! I hope it works with the official freerunner distro, i.e. 2007.2 also. Yeah, I have this page bookmarked for me to try playing around with when I have time, I'd be interested to know how it turns out. 5. Also, is there a wiki page or something where 'how tos' for tweaking of settings are mentioned? Like the standby idle-time, silent-mode, screen brightness, etc? there are lots of wiki pages with lots of little tidbits scattered through them... ;) finding them seems to be a whole other matter, the search isn't great by all accounts. 6. I have installed media player, debug tool, gps, calc, calendar, ... The phone's become slower - boot time is higher and application (eg. dialer) loading takes a lot of time. Is this normal? It sure was faster before I updated/installed those. I haven't seen this, and I have a similar raft of apps installed, except I've not seen any debug tool in the repos...? Granted, it's not the fastest thing I've ever seen, but I don't think it's much/any slower than it was when I got it. HTH, -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: 2008.8 - issue
William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 21:21 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: How do you type something like apm into the terminal application? - oh how I *HATE* predictive text :( Is there a way to kill it? BillK Still want to kill it - preferably permanently. I cant believe anyone thought this was a good idea :( Also looks like there is no backspace key to even try to fix the mess it makes of text. I'll have to ignore the terminal until someone fixes it up . BillK I'm right there with ya, bill - it's very pretty, but the predictive text is *so* annoying! seems pretty unneccessary for a qwerty keyboard to me - I thought it was interesting to learn that when i typed in 'internode', I actually meant 'interview'?!? :O Also I find the way it automatically adds spaces to be annoying, not very good in a terminal. It's a *big* improvement in terms of finger-pressability over the matchbox keyboard on 2007.2, and it's *much* prettier, but the predictive text makes it more difficult to use, especially in a terminal. I'd also really like to see an enter key on the qwerty page, and maybe (I know I'm pushing it here) a couple of the most commonly used symbols such as hyphen and period on the qwerty page. -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8
+1 This sums my feelings up exactly Dirk Bergstrom wrote: Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8? If not, I'd like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now. I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the predictive text feature. Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the same page. I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't need a finger-friendly keyboard. It might be nice to occasionally have one, but it's a *very* low priority for me. I will primarily type in the terminal, the notes app, and the browser: unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part numbers and the like. In other words, almost nothing I type will benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance). -- Dirk ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
2008.08 - Importing contacts?
How do I Import my contacts into 2008.08? will the same python scripts work, or is it completely different? -Dale ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: distro-feed-configs_1.0-r0_om-gta02.ipk
agh, I was foolish enough to hit 'Y'... can somebody give me the correct contents of the files i've overwritten? didn't even notice the 'D' option, to be honest. I'll be using it next time! Thanks. -Dale arne anka wrote: yeah, I saw that yesterday... I had to change manually the file again after the upgrade... i was sure someone would run into this -- opkg asks you if you would like to replace those files with then package maintainer's ones. since i use debian i am familiar with this and almost automatically hit D for diff'ing the old and the new file before deciding. thus i could avoid overwriting. I do not know from where this adress comes from... it's obviously the result of some testing with the package building process that should never have made it into the feeds ... ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
