Re: Zhone + sqlite
Hi Vladimir, can you keep an option to import/merge contacts from a set of VCF files? Thanks, Karthik On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Vladimir Berezenko wrote: > Hello All! > > I've made a patch for zhone to use sqlite DB for storing contact > information. > All the contacts operations supported. The only thing is not done - > importing contacts from SIM-card. Any help appreciated. > > The patched zhone is in the attachment. Readme is also there. > > Kind regards > -- > WBR, Vladimir Berezenko. ( Q-Master/MiR ) > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: GTA02 is now an expensive brick
Hi, Connecting to the PC's USB port always works for me too. But it isn't a valid solution because if you're travelling, you'll be compelled to take your PC/Laptop with you. :-) -Karthik On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Paul wrote: > Here's an unorthodox approach. > > Have you tried removing the battery and plugging in the USB into a > computer and the OM? > > This brings up the Boot for me. Once the boot menu is showing, put > the battery in, and then cycle through the menu for two to three mins > before attempting to boot (choose the boot option from menu). > > I think this gives the battery time to charge up a bit before trying > to boot. If it fails, just cycle it through the boot menu a bit > longer. > > -- > Paul > Email - pault...@gmail.com > > There were moments when he looked on evil simply as a mode through > which he could realize his conception of the beautiful. > Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: GTA02 is now an expensive brick
Hi, I wouldn't recommend this that you'd go and buy a Nokia battery to boot up your phone. IMHO the first thing that needs to be fixed is a wall charging thing, with Qi/u-boot. You do get Taiwan made fake batteries for 30 INR (0.6 $) but they may explode, and I wouldn't recommend it. -Karthik Ian Darwin wrote: > Lucas Lacroix wrote: > >> I forgot to plug the Neo in last night, and now the battery is >> completely dead. I cannot even get to the NOR boot. I've tried both >> USB and the charger. I have tried with and without the battery. No >> combination of these will get the phone to turn on so it can charge >> the battery. >> > This is one of the most annoying misfeatures of the phone, I think > everybody agrees. > >> I'm saddened by the fact that a phone that was supposed to be released >> to the masses can have such a blatant failing. Not only can it NOT >> turn on when the battery has little or no charge, the APM service does >> not turn the phone off to prevent this (note: all OTHER phones I have >> ever used WILL turn off when the battery gets below some critical level). >> On top of this, if I ever expect to have a working phone, I have to >> disable the only feature which should extend the battery life (read >> that as: OpenMoko has fixed the WSoD problem by replacing it with the >> BSoD - Black Screen of Death). >> > You've answered your own question in a roundabout way. There is no place > that OM has said that the current *software* is ready for the masses. > The fact that the software doesn't halt or suspend or shut down on low > power is proof of this. The fact that it's software means it will > eventually get remediated. > >> I have looked at the work-arounds, and none of them have worked or are >> doable. I refuse to "hardware hack" my phone with an external 4.5V >> line to give it the initial charge. I also do not have access to a >> charger that will work with this battery. Lastly, I do not have a >> second battery. >> >> > Do you live in a part of the world where anybody uses Nokia phones? Do > you have a friend or co-worker who knows you well enough to lend you > their battery for 5 mins to jump-start your phone? If not, maybe you > need to get out more :-) Borrow their battery, insert it, boot up, plug > in the charger, swap batteries, return the battery leaving your phone > charging. On some cheaper Nokias you have to re-set the Nokia phone's > date & time after this operation; I've not seen it lose any other > information from the Nokia and I've done this 3 or 4 times (the rest of > my family has mostly Nokias at present, and they're not switching until > the OM is more consumer ready). > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [SHR] - import contacts
Did you try the python-dbus import? Michael Zanetti wrote: > On Wednesday 17 December 2008 08:37:04 Karthik Kumar wrote: > >> The VCF can be imported by using that python script, or by sending it >> as a param to qtopia-addressbook app. You can try using the python >> script to copy the contacts from sim as VCF file. >> > > SHR doesn't have qtopia-addressbook.app. > > >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Tomasz Sekściński >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> How can i import contacts from sim/file? >>> Is this possible or should i simply write it by hand? >>> Is openmoko-contacts keep contacts in file? like contacts.db or >>> something? >>> >>> > > I would be interested too... I have all my contact in a vcf file. Is there a > way to import them into SHR? > > Thanks. > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [SHR] - import contacts
Hi, I write all my contacts to a text file, and I use a script to convert them to VCF files for a wide variety of uses (Outlook, Openmoko 2007.2/2008.x/Qtopia/ My other mobile phone) The VCF can be imported by using that python script, or by sending it as a param to qtopia-addressbook app. You can try using the python script to copy the contacts from sim as VCF file. On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Tomasz Sekściński wrote: > Hi! > > How can i import contacts from sim/file? > Is this possible or should i simply write it by hand? > Is openmoko-contacts keep contacts in file? like contacts.db or > something? > > -- > Tomasz Sekściński > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
>From now on, I'm listening only if it's a complaint, or if Openmoko is fixing something on GTA02. I couldn't care less if Openmoko's moving on, because I'm moving on. Oh, the community's messages isn't going under my radar at all; Because if it's going legal, _ONLY_ Openmoko is going to get it's ass kicked. That will show them the reality of business and this world. If anybody not from Openmoko is hijacking this thread believing I am attacking the community at large, they are just foolish and putting unneccessary effort upon themselves. And Oh: I do not care if I'm getting shunned by you, you're putting me on ignore, or asking me to buy an iPhone, because I am primarily conversing ONLY with Openmoko. From now on, I wouldn't care to return non-Openmoko-ers insults. If Openmoko is going to sort out specific GTA02 problems within this year, send it out. Since Openmoko's release this July, it's been nothing but utter disappointment and sheer carelessness from Openmoko's side. And if it's all lies and greed, I don't believe in Karma, I believe in legal course. If someone else is also interested in class-action, pvt. me and we'll see what their 'business' is all about. Thanks All. -Karthik ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
Instead of just bitching about me, why don't you do something constructive, dipshit^U? On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:43:32 +1100, Dale Maggee > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Karthik Kumar wrote: >>>> I know better. >> >> I could debate that at great length, cuz it's pretty god damn obvious to >> us all that you don't know shit, but I've had a better Idea - I'm just >> gonna create a filter to automatically delete anything sent by you. I >> hope for your sake you never have a problem with NeoTool. >> >> bye now. > > I did that several days ago - he joined 'dip^H^H^Hnishit dave' in my filter > list. > > nothing like a good old fashioned shunning. :) > > j > > -- > Joel Newkirk > http://jthinks.com (blog) > http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
Al Johnson wrote: > Neither are representatives of Openmoko. They have bought phones just as you > and I have. I suspect that they are frustrated by this long and unproductive > thread, and by your perceived attitude. You don't appear to be interested in > getting solutions to whatever problems you may be having. Suggesting someone > is lying when they try to correct your misunderstanding is just plain > offencive where I come from, as are your unsubstantiated accusations about > Openmoko and their staff. This may simply be a cultural misunderstanding, as > is often the case on international lists, in which case I suggest you correct > it now. > See, I do understand that they've got their own pressures. But by merely trying to work on GTA03 (hardware or software), it's like they've thrown their hands off the GTA02. And that's not the right attitude towards that either. I hope that this thread at least awakens them to the reality that their users are frustrated with them not doing anything over the GTA02. If they did sort out ALL major issues (kernel, GSM firmware, u-boot, major device userland daemons) then they could at least feel better about themselves. But simply switching to work on GTA03 is to piss on the community which has funded you till now. I hope they take this up seriously than treat it as a discouragement or dismiss it as a whiny joke :P > On Monday 15 December 2008, Karthik Kumar wrote: > >> Is that how you reply as a company which makes a phone? We can't fix >> it so go buy our competitors' closed phones? I'd expect better from >> you (like saying, yes, we'll fix it) than buy our competitor's phone. >> If i had bought the competitors' phone, i wouldn't be cribbing now >> that i've bought your phone, right? >> >> Maybe Openmoko should trade in iPhones instead of Freerunners, >> considering I already paid for a Freerunner. What do you think for >> that for a response? >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM, arne anka wrote: >> >>>> Karthik: >>>> >>>> I think I probably speak for a reasonable portion of the community when >>>> I say this: >>>> >>>> Go buy an iphone. Put your FreeRunner on ebay. You'll like the iphone - >>>> >>> +1 >>> >>> ___ >>> support mailing list >>> support@lists.openmoko.org >>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
Okay, Al. That's one of the most sensible replies on this thread; I hear ya. I'll dig deeper into this. Al Johnson wrote: > On Monday 15 December 2008, Karthik Kumar wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Stefan Monnier >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> There are still hardware problems that exist with almost every >>>>>> freerunner out there (GPS signal levels, for one). I would like to >>>>>> see them fixed by Openmoko, Inc. >>>>>> >>>> The kernel fix for GPS is a mere quirk. Ideally it should get fixed in >>>> hardware. >>>> >>> Huh? The kernel fix seems to work OK for those people who have old >>> FRs. Newer FRs have a hardware fix. E.g. my FR doesn't need any >>> kernel workaround. No need to wait for GTA03 to get a hardware fix. >>> >> So, this kernel fix is a feature, according to Al Johnson? Then why do >> they need a hardware fix? >> > > They don't. Neither of my Freerunners has the hardware fix, and the GPS works > just fine with any kernel that includes the fix. > > >> Unless I am missing something, this software >> fix seems to be a lie. Or the hardware fix seems to be bogus anyway. >> > > You are missing something, so I will try to explain. The 'hardware fix' is a > small capacitor from the SD clock line to ground, and was a quick response to > the problem when the SD was discovered to be interfering with the GPS. This > slows the transition between the digital high and low states, reducing the > level of interference generated. Reducing the drive strength does the same > thing, but through a slightly different mechanism, and doesn't require a > soldering iron to make the change. Note that the hardware fix only reduces > interference from the clock line. The kernel fix reduces interference from > the other signal lines too. > > To understand the issues more fully I suggest you read up on the analogue > properties of digital electronics, particularly in regard to the speed of > transitions and their effect on EMI. > > >> I have one of the earlier freerunners released, so I'm sure Openmoko >> owes an explanation. >> > > Both hardware and software fixes were discussed extensively on the lists, and > are in the list archive. > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
What were they doing before this thread then? Were they productive at all? If they were, this thread wouldn't exist. And, if they wanted to be productive, using this thread would be their worst excuse to do something. If they deliver, I'll stop talking on this thread. On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Al Johnson wrote: > Neither are representatives of Openmoko. They have bought phones just as you > and I have. I suspect that they are frustrated by this long and unproductive > thread, and by your perceived attitude. You don't appear to be interested in > getting solutions to whatever problems you may be having. Suggesting someone > is lying when they try to correct your misunderstanding is just plain > offencive where I come from, as are your unsubstantiated accusations about > Openmoko and their staff. This may simply be a cultural misunderstanding, as > is often the case on international lists, in which case I suggest you correct > it now. > > On Monday 15 December 2008, Karthik Kumar wrote: >> Is that how you reply as a company which makes a phone? We can't fix >> it so go buy our competitors' closed phones? I'd expect better from >> you (like saying, yes, we'll fix it) than buy our competitor's phone. >> If i had bought the competitors' phone, i wouldn't be cribbing now >> that i've bought your phone, right? >> >> Maybe Openmoko should trade in iPhones instead of Freerunners, >> considering I already paid for a Freerunner. What do you think for >> that for a response? >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM, arne anka wrote: >> >> Karthik: >> >> >> >> I think I probably speak for a reasonable portion of the community when >> >> I say this: >> >> >> >> Go buy an iphone. Put your FreeRunner on ebay. You'll like the iphone - >> > >> > +1 >> > >> > ___ >> > support mailing list >> > support@lists.openmoko.org >> > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Dale Maggee wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Karthik Kumar wrote: >> Is that how you reply as a company which makes a phone? We can't fix >> it so go buy our competitors' closed phones? I'd expect better from >> you (like saying, yes, we'll fix it) than buy our competitor's phone. > > Um... when did openmoko say anything of the sort? Am I an OM employee > but I just don't know it? you've just demonstrated yourself to be even > stupider than I thought, which I must admit is quite an accomplishment, > congratulations. So you're not from Openmoko? Piss off, b*tch, You don't need to tell me what I should do, I know better. > > No, really, go buy an iphone - they're designed for morons. You'll fit > right in. > >> If i had bought the competitors' phone, i wouldn't be cribbing now >> that i've bought your phone, right? > > No, you'd be languishing in an idiot's paradise, making phone calls and > not bitching constantly... ok, so maybe that's premature, I'm sure you'd > find something to bitch about... it's just that then you'd have to bitch > to apple, and not us, and since apple don't care once they've got your > money and can send automated responses, and we wouldn't have to put up > with you anymore, it's really just a better arrangement for everybody. > >> Maybe Openmoko should trade in iPhones instead of Freerunners, >> considering I already paid for a Freerunner. What do you think for >> that for a response? > > What do I think of that for a response? Stupid and uninformed. What a > big suprise. > > If it's really that bad, put your FR on ebay and go buy an iphone. > everybody will be happier - not just you, but the thousands of poor sods > like me who's inboxes are being clogged up on a daily basis with your > bullshit. > > fsck off and go buy an iphone. Seriously. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJRlmfFbVnQRV3OEYRAoE7AJwIPDdrPxY6ImZFShtQXfXiWQR3ZgCgq1/a > tXOJSTJI3Chncho4eKlIvUI= > =T4w/ > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
Is that how you reply as a company which makes a phone? We can't fix it so go buy our competitors' closed phones? I'd expect better from you (like saying, yes, we'll fix it) than buy our competitor's phone. If i had bought the competitors' phone, i wouldn't be cribbing now that i've bought your phone, right? Maybe Openmoko should trade in iPhones instead of Freerunners, considering I already paid for a Freerunner. What do you think for that for a response? On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:44 PM, arne anka wrote: >> Karthik: >> >> I think I probably speak for a reasonable portion of the community when >> I say this: >> >> Go buy an iphone. Put your FreeRunner on ebay. You'll like the iphone - > > +1 > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: pointless ranting was: Re: Sad Story
Arne, am I the only one paranoid here? How do we know that you're not just lying about GTA03 being only plain software. And, if you are, do we blame openmoko when it releases the actual GTA03 board next year? And, if you're not, why don't you instead fix the CURRENT GTA02 software? ;p -Karthik On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM, arne anka wrote: >>> if you refuse to check archives and to read mails and instead insist on >>> perpetuating your misstatement, nobody can help you! >> >> Then this link be updated. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA03 > > > i give up. > you are deliberatly confusing things just to prove your point, imo. > > eot for me. > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: There are still hardware problems that exist with almost every freerunner out there (GPS signal levels, for one). I would like to see them fixed by Openmoko, Inc. >> The kernel fix for GPS is a mere quirk. Ideally it should get fixed in >> hardware. > > Huh? The kernel fix seems to work OK for those people who have old > FRs. Newer FRs have a hardware fix. E.g. my FR doesn't need any > kernel workaround. No need to wait for GTA03 to get a hardware fix. So, this kernel fix is a feature, according to Al Johnson? Then why do they need a hardware fix? Unless I am missing something, this software fix seems to be a lie. Or the hardware fix seems to be bogus anyway. I have one of the earlier freerunners released, so I'm sure Openmoko owes an explanation. > > >Stefan > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> There are still hardware problems that exist with almost every >> freerunner out there (GPS signal levels, for one). I would like to >> see them fixed by Openmoko, Inc. The kernel fix for GPS is a mere quirk. Ideally it should get fixed in hardware. I am sure that Openmoko's GTA03 changes include a replacement of the existing u-blox. Is Openmoko considering fixing the GPS? > > I don't know of any remaining problems there. I thought my FR was > taking a long time to get a fix, but all evidence seems to indicate that > it's just normal behavior shared by all GPS devices. > > >Stefan > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Bobby Martin wrote: > As much as I hate to chime in on such a busy and unproductive thread... > > When the GTA02 was sold, it was *for developers only*. It was very clear on > the site. The software is not done. It is not stable. (That said, there > are software versions that give you good, stable access to most or all of > the hardware for most people. They're just hard to find, and are different > for different HW releases.) > > If it turns out that the hardware can't work reasonably as a phone > regardless of software, then FR owners may have a legitimate grievance. (I > only have a GTA01). Until that time, you got what was advertised. Even if > my hardware can't work reasonably as a phone, I got what was advertised :-) > There are still hardware problems that exist with almost every freerunner out there (GPS signal levels, for one). I would like to see them fixed by Openmoko, Inc. > And remember, you people who rushed out to buy a phone because it was open, > even with no stable software - there are people who responded to > frustrations in the direction by fixing the things they didn't like. See > SHR, Debian, FDOM, etc. > > I grow frustrated with the directions OM takes and the priorities they have > sometimes, and I blow off steam in IRC. I try to do it when/where no OM > devs are hanging out, because I think they're doing a hard job and don't > have control of the things that frustrate me. Bitching to people about > things they're working on when they can't do anything about the stuff you're > griping about just lowers their morale, which is counterproductive. > I get that. At the same time, you realize that the frustration is totally vented towards Openmoko's management. Let me say this again: Do not hijack this thread towards open source, or productivity or whatever. > I really do think the OM devs are doing a good job on a task that is very > difficult, and they get a lot of grief for it. I just want to say thanks. > That's my whole reason for posting - to thank Andy, Harald, etc. etc. in the > OM group, Lorn, etc. of Trolltech, mwester, Julien, quickdev, MarcOChapeau, > etc. of the community. I apologize for all the big contributors I didn't > name. I appreciate your work just as much even if I may not remember your > name from IRC/ML :-) > > Great work guys, > Thanks! > Bobby > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
Here is a suggestion: If the GPS hardwarer in GTA02 is wrong, would Openmoko consider fixing it for all those who purchased Openmoko? They should ship back the Freerunner, fix it and send it back to all owners. And, (P.S. arne akka) here is a PDF which tells us about some different better GPS hardware in GTA03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/foresight/Test_Report/GTA03_GPS_Conductive_Single_Channel_Test.pdf I would like Openmoko to fix this one hardware issue in GTA02 (How you work it out, I will leave it to you). It could do the same for some GTA01 owners with problems as well. On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > Karthik, > >> this. I am sure that a developer who talks back against this will just >> get fired/have to face bad consequences. > > Honestly, together with pretty much everything else you say, it's wrong. > In fact internally I am known as the one who kicks people if they > don't post publicly :-) > Your problem is that pretty much everybody already does what you > think they should do, so no matter how long you wait, you won't see > the kind of complaint like "bad management forces us to work on next- > gen product to rip off community". > > GTA01, GTA02 and GTA03 are very close, basically one platform. The > few people who work on gta03 hardware (2 to be precise) implicitly > contribute to the whole platform. The vast majority works on gta02 > and gta01. Actually I am thinking about trying to buy some gta01 back > from the community. They are quite legendary and we have too few > internally. 2 in Taipei, for example. We wish we could do more > testing & bug-fixing on gta01. It's the same platform anyway, and in > addition we can support our customers. > >> What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to >> change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer? > > Show me opportunities. Management needs to direct the company towards > opportunities. > > Best Regards, > Wolfgang > > On 2008-12-13, at 上午2:54, Karthik Kumar wrote: > >> I clearly don't blame the developers here myself. I blame Openmoko's >> selfish management (probably it's board of directors or C*Os) for >> this. I am sure that a developer who talks back against this will just >> get fired/have to face bad consequences. >> >> What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to >> change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer? >> >> -Karthik >> >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Paul wrote: >>> My experience, as I'm sure with many other people, with my freerunner >>> has been frustrating most of the time. To say, its all on the >>> user is >>> wrong. Granted the community could be better, however, its hard to >>> contribute when everything is so fragmented. >>> >>> For instance, about the echo problem, one of the developers for >>> OpenMoko stated "Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, >>> a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits >>> all >>> models." Wait a sec. If the developers know the issues, What's >>> preventing the if statement that would prevent hundreds of hours of >>> tweaking, testing, and frustration for the community? >>> >>> Let's be honest here FIC is making a pretty penny off of OpenMoko, >>> using very old hardware selling at a premium price (2.5g not even >>> EDGE). Yet we are OK with that. What the community DOES expect is >>> basic support, for starters a phone that makes calls without echoing, >>> doesn't drop connection and sends and receives text messages reliably >>> as the Number 1 priority. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of the >>> working code in OpenMoko is from Trolltech. In addition FSO has a >>> very nice distro and the Freerunner isn't even its main device. Yet >>> more than 1 year AFTER the release of the 1974, we still have MAJOR >>> issues from a basic install of Om. Then we read stuff like this. >>> >>> "OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for >>> qtopia is fairly limited." >>> >>> It becomes evident that FIC and Openmoko cares less about creating >>> reliably working software then it does about moving products. (not >>> blaming the developers here, they get pressure) Follow the next link >>> and I think I've made my case. >>> >>> http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc >>> >>> Now with that said, I will be posti
Re: Sad Story
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Marcus Stong wrote: > A quick thought...if Openmoko feels the hardware of GTA02 is inadequate to > even bother making it a stable phone, should there not be some sort of > recall and free replacement with a GTA03. > $399 for a phone that never worked properly is pretty hard to swallow, and > even harder to swallow when the company expects people to buy a new phone > while somewhat ignoring that same community of users who have invested time > and money in developing and testing their original phones. Speaking from the > perspective of a web developer, if I make a piece of shit site that doesn't > work properly, my clients are going to demand that it works properly. If I > neglect to do that and move on to the next project, I would run out of > clients pretty fast... Sounds good to me. I'm happy if it works. > > - Marcus > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:15 AM, john wrote: > 2008/12/12 Karthik Kumar : >> I will say this: Open source is philanthrophy. Making money is >> alright. Using Open source to make money is acceptable. >> >> You see those EeePcs? It's Open source, people get what they pay for - >> hardware and software. >> >> > > You see that door? Close it on the way out ;) > > Seriously though this is getting a bit tedious now. Why didn't you do > some more research before spending your money? There are many people > on IRC who would have given you honest advice. Do you believe all > marketing that you read? I personally did not buy a GTA02 as I have a > GTA01 and I am waiting for a suitable replacement. That might be > GTA03, GTA04 or even GTA05 who knows. It does take time to get things > right in the mobile world. You are just lucky/unlucky to have had so > much information about the process. As others have said there are > plenty of "shiny" alternatives out there. I can understand your > frustration but I think you are overreacting somewhat. We all make > mistakes (said the dalek getting off the dustbin). Let's all just kiss > and make up! > Well. You learnt your lessons with the 01. I, with the 02. I don't know, but I will want nobody to face this harshness when they will buy the 03. See, although nobody is perfect, people should try to correct your mistakes. Else, they are just going on the wrong path. Openmoko didn't learn from it's mistakes in 01. It isn't going to learn by just selling 02, 03 and so on. If it fixes it's 01 and 02, then people like you and me can be happier. If the entire 01 was a design mistake, then they clearly didn't sell you a phone at all. They sold you a phony. It's time you asked them for a fix. The only way to make it learn is to make it stop, fix all the things they have done till now. Else, there are going to be more people cribbing like this one year later. Watch out for my prediction. And, the only way to prevent it is if Openmoko did something about that RIGHT NOW. My $0.02. > John. > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Andy Green wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | The website of Openmoko's launch will tell you when the Openmoko > | Freerunner was released. > | My bills will tell you when I have purchased the Freerunner. > | My Freerunner is available to prove the bugs in it. > | As for the list of Bugs, I'll just take the list from the Trac you > | have set up, with details of when 'each and every bug' was filed and > | resolved/never resolved. > | > | And, I have YOUR statement which proves that till date, many of those > | issues still exist. > > Did someone from Openmoko tell you that GTA02 (unlike Windows, Mozilla, > $EVERYTHING_NONTRIVIAL) will have no bugs? > You're talking of the case where everything that doesn't work is a bug. But that everything that works in Openmoko doesn't constitute what a 'Phone' is. Hence, either you've sold a bug, or you've sold something that isn't a Phone. Didn't someone from Openmoko say that it's a phone? Oh, by the way, wasn't there a legal document that said that if you were to buy it and it had bugs, you wouldn't sue because you are doing so at your own risk? I think not. And, do you think that people get off the hook for shipping products with major bugs? (If you recall Intel's processor bug or nVIDIA's heating problem, it should prove you otherwise) I'm done talking to you, Andy. If you have anything to say that isn't Openmoko's selfishness, I'm going to listen to you. > | | What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to > | | change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer? > > | Do you want more proof? Do you want more legal documents? Is this how > | you see this conversation heading to? > > Yeah some guy mentioned a lawyer? Oh: you. > > - -Andy -- Karthik ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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> In my opinion what Openmoko needs to do is release a solid hardware > platform, until this happens software development will be delayed. If > that means concentrating on the v03, then do it. From what I see the > v03 looks like the v02, with a different SoC and minus the smedia > (glamo) controller. (I agree with your comment below) See, then it means all those who bought the 02 (perhaps the 01) are stuck with lemons. I'd rather appreciate it if Openmoko used our money to fix our own Openmoko 02s to something more reliable (02.5, perhaps). That is when I will trust Openmoko to buy/recommend a 03 at all. Now, If the 03 turns out to be another lemon, why would I expect a 04 to fix it when I very well know that they didn't fix 02? > > What I was hoping from the v03 was a new SoC, modem, and sound card. > More time is being spent on miniaturization. This is not the community > that cares about how the phone looks. > > Additionally, don't wait another 8 months before selling v03s, we want > it soon, or fix the v02. That is well said, I agree. > > Regarding what OM has done right: > They released an awesome development platform for the gsm networks. > > What I want from FR now: > I want someone from FR (steve mosher? sean moss?) to post updates and > a timeline. I want them to say when things will be fixed, what exact > developments are going on at OM, etc... This has to be on a regular > basis. They -need- a blog or a similar method to publish this. At > least it would give us some small bit of confidence that our devices > are being worked on. Right now the only development I see is: > -mickey on FSO, he publishes a lot data, wwe can get ahold of him > -some minor work on the kernel. > > Get steve mosher (pr) somewhere available. we want transparency.. > I'd like this to happen personally. > > On 12/12/08, Karthik Kumar wrote: >> I clearly don't blame the developers here myself. I blame Openmoko's >> selfish management (probably it's board of directors or C*Os) for >> this. I am sure that a developer who talks back against this will just >> get fired/have to face bad consequences. >> >> What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to >> change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer? >> >> >> -Karthik >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Paul wrote: >> > My experience, as I'm sure with many other people, with my freerunner >> > has been frustrating most of the time. To say, its all on the user is >> > wrong. Granted the community could be better, however, its hard to >> > contribute when everything is so fragmented. >> > >> > For instance, about the echo problem, one of the developers for >> > OpenMoko stated "Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, >> > a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all >> > models." Wait a sec. If the developers know the issues, What's >> > preventing the if statement that would prevent hundreds of hours of >> > tweaking, testing, and frustration for the community? >> > >> > Let's be honest here FIC is making a pretty penny off of OpenMoko, >> > using very old hardware selling at a premium price (2.5g not even >> > EDGE). Yet we are OK with that. What the community DOES expect is >> > basic support, for starters a phone that makes calls without echoing, >> > doesn't drop connection and sends and receives text messages reliably >> > as the Number 1 priority. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of the >> > working code in OpenMoko is from Trolltech. In addition FSO has a >> > very nice distro and the Freerunner isn't even its main device. Yet >> > more than 1 year AFTER the release of the 1974, we still have MAJOR >> > issues from a basic install of Om. Then we read stuff like this. >> > >> > "OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for >> > qtopia is fairly limited." >> > >> > It becomes evident that FIC and Openmoko cares less about creating >> > reliably working software then it does about moving products. (not >> > blaming the developers here, they get pressure) Follow the next link >> > and I think I've made my case. >> > >> > http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc >> > >> > Now with that said, I will be posting online my howtos including >> > scripts to make a kinda stable variant of FDOM soon. Been too busy >> > reflashing my
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The website of Openmoko's launch will tell you when the Openmoko Freerunner was released. My bills will tell you when I have purchased the Freerunner. My Freerunner is available to prove the bugs in it. As for the list of Bugs, I'll just take the list from the Trac you have set up, with details of when 'each and every bug' was filed and resolved/never resolved. And, I have YOUR statement which proves that till date, many of those issues still exist. Do you want more proof? Do you want more legal documents? Is this how you see this conversation heading to? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Andy Green wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > | I clearly don't blame the developers here myself. I blame Openmoko's > | selfish management (probably it's board of directors or C*Os) for > | this. I am sure that a developer who talks back against this will just > | get fired/have to face bad consequences. > | > | What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to > | change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer? > > You should first form a list of what issues you have that can be fixed. > ~ You'll need it for your lawyer, right? > > By an amazing coincidence, that list of actual issues is what the > support mailing list is for. > > - -Andy > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAklCuC8ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpp/wCePEA7pXlQ1xIuMRm2aMVza6c5 > 4WkAmQHCXELZ+FcHULksEI8NY8PB0raM > =4gJf > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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I will say this: Open source is philanthrophy. Making money is alright. Using Open source to make money is acceptable. You see those EeePcs? It's Open source, people get what they pay for - hardware and software. Now, claiming that because 'it's Open source, we allow you to do what you want' is just lying, because what you really mean is 'it's not our priority, sucker'. Do you see Openmoko? It's Open source, but nobody delivered. My contribution is to make more people in the community see the truth that I saw. And when they participate, that is the only way your Openmoko management is going to see what is RIGHT. Do not use the open source as a red herring argument. -Karthik On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Angus Ainslie wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Karthik Kumar > wrote: >> I clearly don't blame the developers here myself. I blame Openmoko's >> selfish management (probably it's board of directors or C*Os) for >> this. I am sure that a developer who talks back against this will just >> get fired/have to face bad consequences. >> >> What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to >> change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer? >> >> -Karthik >> > > Opensource is about contributing for the greater good. If your > contribution is to threaten legal action please do us all a favor and > put your freerunner on ebay. Then go out and get one of the "free" > phones given away by your local cell phone company. > > Angus > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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I clearly don't blame the developers here myself. I blame Openmoko's selfish management (probably it's board of directors or C*Os) for this. I am sure that a developer who talks back against this will just get fired/have to face bad consequences. What would be the best way to 'convince' or 'force' the management to change their decisions? Does anyone know a lawyer? -Karthik On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Paul wrote: > My experience, as I'm sure with many other people, with my freerunner > has been frustrating most of the time. To say, its all on the user is > wrong. Granted the community could be better, however, its hard to > contribute when everything is so fragmented. > > For instance, about the echo problem, one of the developers for > OpenMoko stated "Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, > a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all > models." Wait a sec. If the developers know the issues, What's > preventing the if statement that would prevent hundreds of hours of > tweaking, testing, and frustration for the community? > > Let's be honest here FIC is making a pretty penny off of OpenMoko, > using very old hardware selling at a premium price (2.5g not even > EDGE). Yet we are OK with that. What the community DOES expect is > basic support, for starters a phone that makes calls without echoing, > doesn't drop connection and sends and receives text messages reliably > as the Number 1 priority. If I'm not mistaken, the majority of the > working code in OpenMoko is from Trolltech. In addition FSO has a > very nice distro and the Freerunner isn't even its main device. Yet > more than 1 year AFTER the release of the 1974, we still have MAJOR > issues from a basic install of Om. Then we read stuff like this. > > "OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for > qtopia is fairly limited." > > It becomes evident that FIC and Openmoko cares less about creating > reliably working software then it does about moving products. (not > blaming the developers here, they get pressure) Follow the next link > and I think I've made my case. > > http://www.cafepress.com/openmoko_inc > > Now with that said, I will be posting online my howtos including > scripts to make a kinda stable variant of FDOM soon. Been too busy > reflashing my phone. > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Karthik Kumar wrote: >> You should have fixed the GTA02 months back, when you released it. >> Instead, you people are working on GTA03/Neo Whatever. It proves that >> you don't care about the community, You just care about the bunch of >> people who might want to buy your upcoming phones, who sponsor your own >> selfish causes and suffer while you are working on GTA04. > > -- > Paul > Email - pault...@gmail.com > > There were moments when he looked on evil simply as a mode through > which he could realize his conception of the beautiful. > Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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way requires some knowledge of linux, granted. But I found > Assisted-GPS and GPRS to work just fine back under 2008.8 with the > wiki-documented addition of a settings app that enabled/disabled GPRS, > Wifi, and AGPS. More recently frameworkd (FSO and SHR) has taken care of > AGPS and GPRS nicely, though it's not yet tackled wifi. > > AFAIK nobody here was promised a perfect fully-functional smartphone. If > they were, and want to complain about it, talk to whomever made the > promises. Most of us, at least, are here to participate in a community > comprised in large part of developers who are finding new things to 'do' > with the FreeRunner every day. > > We are ALL the 'they', though I read your post to use "they"="Openmoko". > Did you happen to notice that Andy, the person to whom you replied, is "one > of them"? In fact, the same Andy as referred to in the kernel mentioned, > 2.6.28 "ANDY-tracking", which AIUI Andy has devoted quite a bit of time and > effort to, making all the Openmoko-specific kernel bits work with a kernel > version that's still not even "out", and is very distinctly a moving > target, as the upstream source changes slightly on a frequent basis. > > > Sorry if I've offended, but I really am getting tired of the frequent > generalized complaints posted about 'it no work', 'it junk', etc. > > j > > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:02:13 +0530, "Karthik Kumar" > wrote: > >> Next week, not as of NOW. Clearly, the point was, they didn't get it >> right yet. So unless they have actually done something, there is >> nothing you can do with the freerunner. >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Andy Green wrote: >> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Somebody in the thread at some point said: >>> | Hi, >>> | >>> | For instance, the Openmoko GPS signal level is bummed because of a >>> | hardware fault, also there are merely quirks to solve them. The >>> >>> ... which was worked around in kernel once the aggressor signal was >>> identified. >>> >>> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1542#comment:27 >>> >>> | Openmoko battery discharging, suspend and resume have not been ironed >>> | out fully yet. You would see these in _ANY_ basic phone out there. And >>> | people have been giving commands to get the GPRS modem to work. You >>> | see what I'm talking about? Nothing is connected, really. >>> >>> The problem with charger restarting is solved >>> >>> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1158#comment:33 >>> >>> and suspend and resume should be on a way more solid footing now on the >>> 2.6.28-rc andy-tracking kernels. Starting next week the root >>> filesystems will be adapted for these kernels and we start to provide >>> packages for them. >>> >>> | Now, If you can't get to fix these today, how do u expect a person to >>> | program it well enough to rescue it back? You can't expect everyone to >>> | spend all their time getting their bare minimum phones to work, do >>> | you? >>> >>> Well, three of the four things you mention are solved AFAIK. It leaves >>> "people have been giving commands to get the GPRS modem to work"... it >>> doesn't quite sound like the terrible thing that supports the general >>> argument you're making. >>> >>> - -Andy >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAklBQ4oACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpMqwCeJRix5jq8OH4JHR9OZiy+ylQS >>> KYIAnjwxIPRXmY/qiBsDF0yAXhg1AUIB >>> =JLh7 >>> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >>> >>> ___ >>> support mailing list >>> support@lists.openmoko.org >>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Karthik >> http://guilt.bafsoft.net >> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Next week, not as of NOW. Clearly, the point was, they didn't get it right yet. So unless they have actually done something, there is nothing you can do with the freerunner. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Andy Green wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | Hi, > | > | For instance, the Openmoko GPS signal level is bummed because of a > | hardware fault, also there are merely quirks to solve them. The > > ... which was worked around in kernel once the aggressor signal was > identified. > > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1542#comment:27 > > | Openmoko battery discharging, suspend and resume have not been ironed > | out fully yet. You would see these in _ANY_ basic phone out there. And > | people have been giving commands to get the GPRS modem to work. You > | see what I'm talking about? Nothing is connected, really. > > The problem with charger restarting is solved > > https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1158#comment:33 > > and suspend and resume should be on a way more solid footing now on the > 2.6.28-rc andy-tracking kernels. Starting next week the root > filesystems will be adapted for these kernels and we start to provide > packages for them. > > | Now, If you can't get to fix these today, how do u expect a person to > | program it well enough to rescue it back? You can't expect everyone to > | spend all their time getting their bare minimum phones to work, do > | you? > > Well, three of the four things you mention are solved AFAIK. It leaves > "people have been giving commands to get the GPRS modem to work"... it > doesn't quite sound like the terrible thing that supports the general > argument you're making. > > - -Andy > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAklBQ4oACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpMqwCeJRix5jq8OH4JHR9OZiy+ylQS > KYIAnjwxIPRXmY/qiBsDF0yAXhg1AUIB > =JLh7 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Hi, For instance, the Openmoko GPS signal level is bummed because of a hardware fault, also there are merely quirks to solve them. The Openmoko battery discharging, suspend and resume have not been ironed out fully yet. You would see these in _ANY_ basic phone out there. And people have been giving commands to get the GPRS modem to work. You see what I'm talking about? Nothing is connected, really. Now, If you can't get to fix these today, how do u expect a person to program it well enough to rescue it back? You can't expect everyone to spend all their time getting their bare minimum phones to work, do you? -Karthik On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:35 PM, rakshat hooja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Karthik Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> One of the things I would like to say here is that if Openmoko had >> actually made the OS & hardware work pretty reliably, we might at >> least be able to program it for such things (protection and what not) >> >> Else it's just a matter of time before all Freerunners are stolen and >> nothing could be done about that. >> >> I wish Openmoko would release a stable version in gta02 than fiddle >> around with gta03. I suspect they should have done this to the owners >> of the neo1973 as well. >> > > I think Qtopia, FSO and SHR work well in Neo 1973 as well. And from what I > understand the same software will run on GTA02 and GTA03 > > Rakshat > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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One of the things I would like to say here is that if Openmoko had actually made the OS & hardware work pretty reliably, we might at least be able to program it for such things (protection and what not) Else it's just a matter of time before all Freerunners are stolen and nothing could be done about that. I wish Openmoko would release a stable version in gta02 than fiddle around with gta03. I suspect they should have done this to the owners of the neo1973 as well. -Karthik On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Karthik Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wouldn't worry about the robber coming home and beating you up for a > USB charger at all. It looks like many el-cheapo phones (<$60) come > with USB chargers and cables which also work with the Freerunner. That > makes it easier to steal the Freerunner though :( > > Keeping a poison-pill splash screen sounds like a great idea. Maybe > you could keep a screaming sound too (Help! I'm stolen) which can be > disabled if u quickly pressed some keys/parts of the screen when it > boots up. Of course, if you're lazy to do that, you could be in > trouble for stealing your own phone. > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> since there is a mini-usb port the robber will be able to find it out; >> he'll probably beat you to death for wasting his time with something >> that vagely looks like like a phone but that he can't get to work as >> one even after tinkering with it for months :) >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Joachim Ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Putting your address on the splash screen could turn into a poison pill for >>> yourself. The robber could come to your house and beat you with a pair of >>> tennis shoes until you tell him where you have the charger. >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> support mailing list >>> support@lists.openmoko.org >>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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I wouldn't worry about the robber coming home and beating you up for a USB charger at all. It looks like many el-cheapo phones (<$60) come with USB chargers and cables which also work with the Freerunner. That makes it easier to steal the Freerunner though :( Keeping a poison-pill splash screen sounds like a great idea. Maybe you could keep a screaming sound too (Help! I'm stolen) which can be disabled if u quickly pressed some keys/parts of the screen when it boots up. Of course, if you're lazy to do that, you could be in trouble for stealing your own phone. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > since there is a mini-usb port the robber will be able to find it out; > he'll probably beat you to death for wasting his time with something > that vagely looks like like a phone but that he can't get to work as > one even after tinkering with it for months :) > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Joachim Ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Putting your address on the splash screen could turn into a poison pill for >> yourself. The robber could come to your house and beat you with a pair of >> tennis shoes until you tell him where you have the charger. >> >> >> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> >> > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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Hi, I'm giving a suggestion that they can, and they should. A whole lot of mobile stores in my country offer this feature. HTH. -Karthik On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/12/2 V. Karthik Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> The dealers who sell Openmoko can provide insurance (2% of the price >> extra) against theft, and you can use this to buy a new FR. The latter > > they can? i've not seen anything about this. can you point to where > you got this from? > > as an aside, the phone may well be covered for theft under your home > and contents/travel insurance. not that that will do anything for the > data, but a remotely activated encryption/locking mechanism to cover > that shouldn't be too difficult > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
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If you know the IMEI, report it to the local cops/police station. They have tieups with GSM service providers who can triangulate the phone. And the proactive way: The dealers who sell Openmoko can provide insurance (2% of the price extra) against theft, and you can use this to buy a new FR. The latter works especially if you are in big cities with lots of thieves/pickpockets/what not -Karthik Nelson Castillo wrote: > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Juan Cañete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Because of my job I spend a lot of time abroad. Now I'm at Bogotá (Colombia). >> Although I could find or track the FR, I think it would be impossible to see it again, >> cause I don't know when I will come to Colombia again... Yesterday I went to the >> suburbs to the "steal tecnology market" (I don't recommend it) trying to find it, >> with no luck. I think I lost any hopes to see it again. > > I'm sorry to hear about your loss. And also sorry to hear it happened in Bogotá. > > A lot of mobile phones are stolen here. They won't know what to do with it :-/ > > You're better not try to get it back... the chances of finding it are quite low. > > Regards, > Nelson.- > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
But when ever the device is powered on (Let's say a guy the burglar sells to), the openmoko would get activated, right? Some laptops have a theft tracking feature enabled in their BIOS. It would be awesome to keep something like that in the Openmoko firmware. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Carl Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think one of the first things a burglar would do would be to remove > the battery and sim card. > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Karthik Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There ought to be a security service on the Freerunner. By integrating >> the GPS service with internet, we could track where the burglar is. >> >> -Karthik >> >> On 12/1/08, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> and before that, some real security on the FR. >>> >>> BillK >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 21:36 +0100, Yorick Moko wrote: >>> > my condolences; >>> > >>> > we need a way to remotely activate the gps and make it send an sms and >>> > e-mail etc etc >>> > >>> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > > Juan Cañete wrote: >>> > >> Hi, >>> > >> >>> > >> Last night a burglar stole my FR. ... >>> > >> >>> > >> My phone had debian on it. I had a lot of applications configured. I >>> used it like my main phone. Mail accounts configured, Phonebook with all >>> contacts, a lot of sms, many applications configured with my users/passwds. >>> And I realized they had access to all. I called the mobile phone company to >>> suspend the number, I've changed almost all important passwds, anyway, >>> although I think they even don't know how to use the FR, maybe they will >>> sell it to someone that do, and he'll surf into my life. >>> > >> >>> > >> I only wanted to share this story with you. Maybe, because sharing my >>> sadness I'll feel better, maybe not... >>> > >> >>> > > Sr Cañete, thank you, you do both yourself and all of us a service. We >>> > > all (I hope) empathize with your loss. >>> > > And, most importantly, your story reminds everyone on the list of the >>> > > importance of doing backups of their handheld data with at least the >>> > > same regularity as their desktop and server systems. Regularly. >>> > > Paraphrasing Santayana: Those who do not learn from the suffering of >>> > > others are destined to suffer in the future. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ___ >>> > > support mailing list >>> > > support@lists.openmoko.org >>> > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> > > >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > support mailing list >>> > support@lists.openmoko.org >>> > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >>> -- >>> William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Home in Perth! >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> support mailing list >>> support@lists.openmoko.org >>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Sad Story
There ought to be a security service on the Freerunner. By integrating the GPS service with internet, we could track where the burglar is. -Karthik On 12/1/08, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and before that, some real security on the FR. > > BillK > > > On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 21:36 +0100, Yorick Moko wrote: > > my condolences; > > > > we need a way to remotely activate the gps and make it send an sms and > > e-mail etc etc > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Juan Cañete wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Last night a burglar stole my FR. ... > > >> > > >> My phone had debian on it. I had a lot of applications configured. I > used it like my main phone. Mail accounts configured, Phonebook with all > contacts, a lot of sms, many applications configured with my users/passwds. > And I realized they had access to all. I called the mobile phone company to > suspend the number, I've changed almost all important passwds, anyway, > although I think they even don't know how to use the FR, maybe they will sell > it to someone that do, and he'll surf into my life. > > >> > > >> I only wanted to share this story with you. Maybe, because sharing my > sadness I'll feel better, maybe not... > > >> > > > Sr Cañete, thank you, you do both yourself and all of us a service. We > > > all (I hope) empathize with your loss. > > > And, most importantly, your story reminds everyone on the list of the > > > importance of doing backups of their handheld data with at least the > > > same regularity as their desktop and server systems. Regularly. > > > Paraphrasing Santayana: Those who do not learn from the suffering of > > > others are destined to suffer in the future. > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > support mailing list > > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > > > > > ___ > > support mailing list > > support@lists.openmoko.org > > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > -- > William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Home in Perth! > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Standalone Charger doesn't work?
Hi, I noticed that when the moko is discharged, I'm unable to use the standalone charger to charge my phone back to life. Is this a u-boot/distro problem or a hardware issue? -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Stereo Jack Quirks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Russell Sears wrote: | My connector acted like this, and I thought it was broken. Also, | sometimes it would cut out, then come back, as though it was being muted | by alsa. Pulling it out a bit seemed to help, but perhaps it was just | playing the same channel in both ears. | | I turned out it was stiff, and I had to push the headphone connector in | a bit further to get it to seat properly. I haven't had a problem with | it since (and it's no longer stiff) | | -Rusty | Thank You! I'll try that out :-) Karthik | V. Karthik Kumar wrote: | Steven ** wrote: | | The thing is, that's not a stereo jack. It's a headset jack. They | | have a different number of "rings". It sounds like you don't have the | | right plug on your speakers. | | | I am using the headset that came with my Freerunner (It's the one that | is shown on the .com site). | | Karthik | | -Steven | | | | On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Karthik Kumar | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | |> Hi, | |> | |> I noticed that pushing the stereo jack in until there isn't a visible | |> connector gap doesn't output any sound at all. Playing with alsamixer | |> won't help as well. I need to pull the connector a few mm back | |> (typically 2-3mm) to get it to work on both speakers. Do other device | |> owners have this problem? | |> | |> -- | |> Karthik | |> http://guilt.bafsoft.net | |> | |> ___ | |> support mailing list | |> support@lists.openmoko.org | |> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support | |> | | | | ___ | | support mailing list | | support@lists.openmoko.org | | https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support | | | |> |> ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support | ___ | support mailing list | support@lists.openmoko.org | https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQIO4ACgkQRzTnZfDdIE+cnwCggO8KirTesaVpQ6QkxRD83R5T LbgAni/7iQht8XECLVjiZPwPsjTEAEJS =vBZh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Stereo Jack Quirks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steven ** wrote: | The thing is, that's not a stereo jack. It's a headset jack. They | have a different number of "rings". It sounds like you don't have the | right plug on your speakers. | I am using the headset that came with my Freerunner (It's the one that is shown on the .com site). Karthik | -Steven | | On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Karthik Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |> Hi, |> |> I noticed that pushing the stereo jack in until there isn't a visible |> connector gap doesn't output any sound at all. Playing with alsamixer |> won't help as well. I need to pull the connector a few mm back |> (typically 2-3mm) to get it to work on both speakers. Do other device |> owners have this problem? |> |> -- |> Karthik |> http://guilt.bafsoft.net |> |> ___ |> support mailing list |> support@lists.openmoko.org |> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support |> | | ___ | support mailing list | support@lists.openmoko.org | https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiQFdEACgkQRzTnZfDdIE9sgwCfXdW6429oDtsN8wwuySK1at3r 9G4An2q6CAXaGCqjEcylOWxxTjeLi/t4 =ToDS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Stereo Jack Quirks
Hi, I noticed that pushing the stereo jack in until there isn't a visible connector gap doesn't output any sound at all. Playing with alsamixer won't help as well. I need to pull the connector a few mm back (typically 2-3mm) to get it to work on both speakers. Do other device owners have this problem? -- Karthik http://guilt.bafsoft.net ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: FreeRunner Booking 25062008-01
Hi, This is with reference to the preorder I gave on 25th of June, and the shipment which was supposed to reach IDA on 3rd of July, which they haven't till today. This is to just tell everybody else who ordered from IDA that it isn't going to help waiting passively for the mobile to arrive. Because the customs official in Delhi will not be releasing it anytime soon. The folks in Openmoko are saying they aren't to blame either, because they did their best. I'm cancelling my order if I don't recieve my freerunner on 18-07-2008. Apparently I've asked everybody and they say it's not their mistake. But it is definitely not my mistake, because I have sent them a DD as early as July 1 and they have encashed it pretty early. Karthik ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
