Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8
Peter there is a good keyboard in the Milestone 2. If using it you need to press the little triangle to get home then the terminal icon then qwerty(top left) then the icon top right of the keyboard which offers "full-qwerty", at this point you have all the characters you need, no prediction and somewhere to type them. The letters jumping up is distracting, and the black background, though elegant, makes the stylus hard to see in poor light. Nonetheless the FSO is so good that I am now preferring it. Another couple of Milestones and it will be really nice. At that point apparently there are plans to clutter it with changes. (See thread in Community list "FSO: is zhone here to stay?" ) FSO is apparently only semi-official. Debian also has a good keyboard named xvkbd which has all you want, has facilities for a number of changes including charactersets at user level. Debian I think will be good for GTA01 after it gets a few more changes. I use it now as a dual boot alongside FSO, have not yet added phone capability. clare. On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Peter Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could we please also get a qwerty keyboard on the GTA01? I don't have a > GTA02. > I complained when it was changed, but it didn't seem to matter to the > people making the general releases. > And when given the choice of a qwerty keyboard, shouldn't international > characters be of some priority? > > Peter > > Yorick Moko wrote: >> +100 >> >> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> This sums my feelings up exactly >>> >>> Dirk Bergstrom wrote: >>> Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8? If not, I'd like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now. I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the predictive text feature. Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the same page. I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't need a finger-friendly keyboard. It might be nice to occasionally have one, but it's a *very* low priority for me. I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser: unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part numbers and the like. In other words, almost nothing I type will benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance). -- Dirk ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> ___ >>> support mailing list >>> support@lists.openmoko.org >>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8
Dirk Bergstrom wrote: > Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8? If not, I'd > like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now. > > I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the > predictive text feature. Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it > would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, > which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the > same page. > > I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't > need a finger-friendly keyboard. It might be nice to occasionally have > one, but it's a *very* low priority for me. > > I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser: > unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part > numbers and the like. In other words, almost nothing I type will > benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance). > > -- > Dirk > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > > I think the stock keyboard (once got my head round it, I rather liked its novel approach) would be good for sms, but I would love to see the matchbox keyboard added as part of the stock keyboard options, ie swipe through upper case, numerals, special chars and then get the matchbox keyboard (or similar) for when it is needed. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8 - I have the full terminal keyboard
I don't really understand why, but sometimes I get the predictive text (limited keys) and sometimes I get the full keyboard (choice of three). I used ASU 200080806, then opkg update..etc. Ole Kliemann wrote: > There is only one possible solution. There must be easy customizable > keyboard files so that everybody is able to use the keyboard he likes. > Besides there must be an option to switch between different keyboards. > It's a simple idea: one tool for one job. > > The predictive text with the right dictionary can be very powerful when > writing SMS. You don't really need to aim for the letters, just hit > somewhere close to them. > > Still the Qtopia keyboard like it comes with Om2008.8 now is pretty > flawed lacking punctation signs. You have to switch two layouts further > to find a comma or period. Despite the fact that there is a lot of space > left on the alphabet keyboard. > > And certainly for everything except SMS and maybe sometimes writing > notes the layout alone is a disaster; not to mention the predictive > text. > > As I understand, there has been a long discussion about why not using > the illume keyboard. I have not completely followed that discussion and > I do not claim to have an understanding for the problems of development > that may be connected to this issue. > > But I'd like to stress at this point that I believe the customizability > of input methods - i.e. the possibility of individually communicating > with the device - is a kind of freedom that many people are seeking with > the FR. > > Ole > > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8
There is only one possible solution. There must be easy customizable keyboard files so that everybody is able to use the keyboard he likes. Besides there must be an option to switch between different keyboards. It's a simple idea: one tool for one job. The predictive text with the right dictionary can be very powerful when writing SMS. You don't really need to aim for the letters, just hit somewhere close to them. Still the Qtopia keyboard like it comes with Om2008.8 now is pretty flawed lacking punctation signs. You have to switch two layouts further to find a comma or period. Despite the fact that there is a lot of space left on the alphabet keyboard. And certainly for everything except SMS and maybe sometimes writing notes the layout alone is a disaster; not to mention the predictive text. As I understand, there has been a long discussion about why not using the illume keyboard. I have not completely followed that discussion and I do not claim to have an understanding for the problems of development that may be connected to this issue. But I'd like to stress at this point that I believe the customizability of input methods - i.e. the possibility of individually communicating with the device - is a kind of freedom that many people are seeking with the FR. Ole pgpKupNw21yrF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8
Could we please also get a qwerty keyboard on the GTA01? I don't have a GTA02. I complained when it was changed, but it didn't seem to matter to the people making the general releases. And when given the choice of a qwerty keyboard, shouldn't international characters be of some priority? Peter Yorick Moko wrote: > +100 > > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> This sums my feelings up exactly >> >> Dirk Bergstrom wrote: >> >>> Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8? If not, I'd >>> like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now. >>> >>> I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the >>> predictive text feature. Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it >>> would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, >>> which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the >>> same page. >>> >>> I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't >>> need a finger-friendly keyboard. It might be nice to occasionally have >>> one, but it's a *very* low priority for me. >>> >>> I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser: >>> unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part >>> numbers and the like. In other words, almost nothing I type will >>> benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance). >>> >>> -- >>> Dirk >>> >>> ___ >>> support mailing list >>> support@lists.openmoko.org >>> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> >> > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 06:22 (+1000), Dale Maggee wrote: > +1 +1 The present keyboard is nice for showing off and pleasing the eye but to it's only useful in specific situations like writing sms, not for generic operation on a linux system. As this is not an iPhone I'd prefer to have a fully functional keyboard. /Ben ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8
+100 On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 > > This sums my feelings up exactly > > Dirk Bergstrom wrote: >> Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8? If not, I'd >> like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now. >> >> I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the >> predictive text feature. Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it >> would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, >> which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the >> same page. >> >> I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't >> need a finger-friendly keyboard. It might be nice to occasionally have >> one, but it's a *very* low priority for me. >> >> I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser: >> unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part >> numbers and the like. In other words, almost nothing I type will >> benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance). >> >> -- >> Dirk >> >> ___ >> support mailing list >> support@lists.openmoko.org >> https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support >> >> > > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8
+1 This sums my feelings up exactly Dirk Bergstrom wrote: > Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8? If not, I'd > like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now. > > I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the > predictive text feature. Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it > would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, > which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the > same page. > > I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't > need a finger-friendly keyboard. It might be nice to occasionally have > one, but it's a *very* low priority for me. > > I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser: > unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part > numbers and the like. In other words, almost nothing I type will > benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance). > > -- > Dirk > > ___ > support mailing list > support@lists.openmoko.org > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support > > ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8
Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8? If not, I'd like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now. I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the predictive text feature. Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the same page. I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't need a finger-friendly keyboard. It might be nice to occasionally have one, but it's a *very* low priority for me. I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser: unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part numbers and the like. In other words, almost nothing I type will benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance). -- Dirk ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
