Re: Illume keyboard Disappeared

2008-08-30 Thread shawn sullivan
I like qtopia's keyboard, but ONLY for text messaging. I can use that 
one w/ my fingers, which makes sending texts, while driving, easy. I 
cannot use the illume keyboard with my thumbs.

Ultimately, I would like qtopia's to show up ONLY when sending a 
message, and illume to show up every where else. That's just my 
preference, but if I can figure that out I'd be a happy panda.

. . .shawn

Yorick Moko wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:28:55 +1000, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:00:08 -0400 Alex Fitzpatrick
>  Clearly
>> someone controlling such decisions at Openmoko is insufficiently aware of
>> the general loathing within the community toward that keyboard.
> 
> 
> How the hell can they be unaware after a hundred mails all saying the same?
> I have not read one mail from a user that said he found this keyboard
> useful in the state it is right now. Everybody who has the phone at
> this stage NEEDS to enter funky words in his terminal.

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Re: Illume keyboard Disappeared

2008-08-27 Thread Yorick Moko
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:28:55 +1000, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:00:08 -0400 Alex Fitzpatrick
 Clearly
> someone controlling such decisions at Openmoko is insufficiently aware of
> the general loathing within the community toward that keyboard.


How the hell can they be unaware after a hundred mails all saying the same?
I have not read one mail from a user that said he found this keyboard
useful in the state it is right now. Everybody who has the phone at
this stage NEEDS to enter funky words in his terminal.

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Reference screenshots of various keyboards ? - Was: Re: Illume keyboard Disappeared

2008-08-27 Thread Olivier Berger
Armin ranjbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> after running a few while , maybe after suspends , Illume keyboard does
> not appear and standard om2008 keyboard appear , any one has any idea ?
>

There are lots of flames/discussions over the keyboard (including in
bugtracker), and it's sometimes very difficult to follow the
reasoning... and adding more noise to noisy discussions is not what's
preferable.. still it's really hard to keep up on these issues, I
think.

What is "om2008 keyboard" (which om 2088 : 08/08 or 08/26 ?).. what's
Illume keyboard, etc.

Maybe if we had a set of pictures to name them and avoid confusion
(pictures like what's in
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8_Keyboard) would help alot to
get a clearer idea of the various options.

Is this possible (taking snapshots of the keybords displayed) ?

Thanks in advance for your comments.

Best regards,
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Olivier BERGER 
(OpenPGP: 1024D/B4C5F37F)
http://www.olivierberger.com/weblog/

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Re: Illume keyboard Disappeared

2008-08-26 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:28:55 +1000, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:00:08 -0400 Alex Fitzpatrick

> as best i know there is no way to turn qpe's keyboard off. until that
> happens
> there will always be fighting between illume's own keyboard and qpe's (As
> the
> vkbd system is generic allowing for any keyboard window - and illume just
> creates one of its own that gets picked up by the generic system).
> 
> --
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Right now, that's an IMMENSE irritation for me. (and to judge by
mailinglist traffic, for many many others as well) I had xterm running
today, typing on the 'full qwerty' keyboard, and while I was staring at the
screen that keyboard went away and the 'letters only' one appeared, and the
only way I could get cursor keys back was to reboot the goddammed thing.

I dare anyone to try editing a file with that useless excuse for a
keyboard.  It may be good for text messaging and naming entries in
Contacts, but even there it has shortcomings, mostly caused by the
dictionary interaction.  

The predictive error introduction and the need to switch keyboards for
punctuation and numbers means it takes a painfully long time to type
something like 'ip r d default via 192.168.0.201'.  If the damned thing
would just stay shut off when disabled it'd be acceptable.

I've been seriously considering flashing to a different OS just because of
the keyboard.  Any OS that intermittently removes cursor keys requiring
reboot to restore them is broken. 

j

PS - I realize this and similar posts are mostly 'preaching to the choir'. 
Since a polling mechanism isn't readily available, would it be useful to
start a 'qtopia keyboard vote' thread where people can be encouraged to
post a simple 'make it die' or 'I love it' or whatever as a vote?  Clearly
someone controlling such decisions at Openmoko is insufficiently aware of
the general loathing within the community toward that keyboard.



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Re: Illume keyboard Disappeared

2008-08-26 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:00:08 -0400 Alex Fitzpatrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> VictorSigma wrote:
> 
> Armin ranjbar wrote:
> 
> > > after running a few while , maybe after suspends , Illume keyboard does
> > > not appear and standard om2008 keyboard appear , any one has any idea ?
> >
> >   
> > I myself asked this question recently.(Please search the mailing list before
> > posting)
> > http://n2.nabble.com/preserving-illume-keyboard-on-update-tp778734p778734.html
> >  
> > link 
> >
> >
> >   
> But that thread has no answer either... Anyone know how to enable a full 
> keyboard with the new update?

as best i know there is no way to turn qpe's keyboard off. until that happens
there will always be fighting between illume's own keyboard and qpe's (As the
vkbd system is generic allowing for any keyboard window - and illume just
creates one of its own that gets picked up by the generic system).

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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: Illume keyboard Disappeared

2008-08-26 Thread Alex Fitzpatrick
VictorSigma wrote:

Armin ranjbar wrote:

> > after running a few while , maybe after suspends , Illume keyboard does
> > not appear and standard om2008 keyboard appear , any one has any idea ?
>
>   
> I myself asked this question recently.(Please search the mailing list before
> posting)
> http://n2.nabble.com/preserving-illume-keyboard-on-update-tp778734p778734.html
>  
> link 
>
>
>   
But that thread has no answer either... Anyone know how to enable a full 
keyboard with the new update?

-- 
Alex


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Re: Illume keyboard Disappeared

2008-08-26 Thread VictorSigma

I myself asked this question recently.(Please search the mailing list before
posting)
http://n2.nabble.com/preserving-illume-keyboard-on-update-tp778734p778734.html 
link 


Armin ranjbar wrote:
> 
> after running a few while , maybe after suspends , Illume keyboard does
> not appear and standard om2008 keyboard appear , any one has any idea ?
> 
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Illume keyboard Disappeared

2008-08-26 Thread Armin ranjbar
after running a few while , maybe after suspends , Illume keyboard does
not appear and standard om2008 keyboard appear , any one has any idea ?


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