Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Sander]

Hello,

not12listen wrote (ao):
> >> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which
> >> to connect an OM device to an exchange server?
> >>
> >> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
> >>
> >> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to
> >> package the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
> >> Openmoko Mail or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the
> >> wheel?

> i need to be able to view/reply to emails within my inbox and the folders
> inside, and also view/edit my calendar - all of this is hosted on an
> exchange server of course.

I use rdesktop to connect to a XP machine with Lookout. Due to the
resolution of the Freerunner this works pretty well.

The commands to connect to xp-workstation:

xrandr -o 1   # rotate screen
rdesktop -uUSER -pPASSWORD -z -xl -K -g640x450 xp-workstation
xrandr -o 0   # rotate screen

Maybe this helps.

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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Jim Ancona]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Adolf Winterer
 wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 September 2009 15:39:23 mobi phil wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:01 AM, not12listen  wrote:
>> > my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which to
>> > connect an OM device to an exchange server?

Outlook Web Access, the browser client, is one option.

If someone wants to build a client, in addition to MAPI, Exchange has
a documented WebDAV interface:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa142661(EXCHG.65).aspx
There are open source libraries available for a number of languages,
including Python (http://code.google.com/p/pywax/) and Ruby
(http://rexchange.rubyforge.org/).

Jim

>> >
>> > in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
>> >
>> > again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to
>> > package
>> > the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws, Openmoko
>> > Mail or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the wheel?
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> > http://n2.nabble.com/OpenMoko-Exchange-tp2152518p3732419.html
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Adolf Winterer]

On Tuesday 29 September 2009 15:39:23 mobi phil wrote:
> pine as IMAP client (http://www.washington.edu/pine/ ) works fine for me
> with MS Exchange server.

If IMAP is enable, fine. But especially in larger enterprises the additional 
protocols like IMAP, POP3 or Web Interface are not enabled, allowing 
communication over MAPI only.

- Adolf

> regards
> mobi phil
> http://mobiphil.com
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:01 AM, not12listen  wrote:
> > bringing this back from the dead...
> >
> > i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in owning one has
> > not
> > diminished in the slightest.
> >
> > my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which to
> > connect an OM device to an exchange server?
> >
> > in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
> >
> > again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to
> > package
> > the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws, Openmoko
> > Mail or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the wheel?
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://n2.nabble.com/OpenMoko-Exchange-tp2152518p3732419.html
> > Sent from the Openmoko Support mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Adolf Winterer]

On Tuesday 29 September 2009 15:32:47 Lars Nooden wrote:
> not12listen wrote:
> > in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
>
> And the day after tomorrow MS would change the specs again to break it.

Theoretically MS could do that. But the consequence of breaking all Exchange 
server, Outlook client and utility installations that are available on the 
market would make this move likely to be a suicidal one. The so well 
established lock-in effect created by Exchange and Outlook communicating over 
a non-documented, closed protocol could be lost in that move, which would be 
highly counterproductive.

> Is there an option to move off MSexchange to some reliable, modular,
> standards-based services?  Kolab and Citadel top the list.

Please note that the OpenChange project does not only produce a client 
component (libmapi), but also a server component which can be used as a fully 
compatible Exchange server drop-in replacement. Additionally there are 
scriptable interfaces that allow easy backups, restores and management.

Therefore all combinations of Outlook, libmapi enable clients such as 
Evolution and KDE/Akonadi, Exchange server and OpenChange server can fully 
interoperate. AFAIK there is development under way to produce a plug-in or 
connector for Thunderbird.

The OpenChange server will be extremely attractive for Exchange administrators 
that are willing to migrate to an open source solution as it allows a soft 
migration path. And it offers tools that are not available with the closed 
source solution.

- Adolf

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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[mobi phil]

Hello,
just you reminded me to try mutt with exchange. I am using mutt with gmail
time to time  and I find it much better than pine.
It seems that it works with M$ Exchange as well. So it should work on the
freerunner as well.


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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:24 PM, mobi phil  wrote:

> I can see my calendars (events,meetings shared with outhers). I do not have
> however calendars in shared folders, if that is what you are reffering to. I
> can write emails, however I did not try to write (probably would not work)
> event/meeting invitations.
> Pine is a command line tool, so if you have a terminal it should work, and
> building it should be straighforward.
>
> Will try it soon, once I will get my decend environment on openmoko.
>
> good luck!
>
> mobiphil
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM, not12listen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
>> >
>> > I also use IMAP over exchange to read my office messages, just ask your
>> > sys-admin, it's simple and secure.
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > Nicolas
>> >
>> >
>> > Le mardi 29 septembre 2009 à 15:39 +0200, mobi phil a écrit :
>> >> pine as IMAP client (http://www.washington.edu/pine/ ) works fine for
>> >> me with MS Exchange server.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >> mobi phil
>> >> http://mobiphil.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:01 AM, not12listen 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bringing this back from the dead...
>> >>
>> >> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in
>> >> owning one has not
>> >> diminished in the slightest.
>> >>
>> >> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by
>> >> which to
>> >> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
>> >>
>> >> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one
>> >> tomorrow... :)
>> >>
>> >> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a
>> >> way to package
>> >> the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
>> >> Openmoko Mail
>> >> or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the wheel?
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >> http://n2.nabble.com/OpenMoko-Exchange-tp2152518p3732419.html
>> >> Sent from the Openmoko Support mailing list archive at
>> >> Nabble.com.
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> mobi phil
>> >>
>> >> being mobile, but including technology
>> >> http://mobiphil.com
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>> >
>> >
>>
>> firstly, thank you to everyone that has chimed in. :)
>>
>> secondly, yesterday i reconfigured Evolution Email on my Kubuntu box
>> specifically for communicating with our hosted exchange server via IMAP.
>>  to
>> say that it was problematic, would be an understatement.  i'm sure the
>> error
>> was on my end.
>>
>> i did some research on what IMAP can and cannot do - by what i read, it
>> cannot do anything with the exchange shared calendars, even my own at that
>> point.  if that is accurate, then unfortunately, that is a show stopper
>> for
>> me - my ability to read/edit my exchange calender is absolutely required.
>>
>> this goes back to why i was curious if something similar to Evolution with
>> its Exchange capabilities exists on the OM platform or not.
>>
>> and, i just did some more reading.
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa998606.aspx
>>
>> if i'm not mistaken, M$ does offer a manner by which IMAP4 Rev1 can share
>> out the calendar function via an IMAP type connection.
>>
>> also, Mobi Phil, do you used the shared calendar function as well as just
>> the standard email portion?  if yes, would PINE run on an Open Moko
>> device?
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://n2.nabble.com/OpenMoko-Exchange-tp2152518p3736932.html
>> Sent from the Openmoko Support mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
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>
>
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Lars Nooden]

not12listen wrote:

> i did some research on what IMAP can and cannot do - by what i read, it
> cannot do anything with the exchange shared calendars,

Correct.  IMAP is for reading e-mail.  SMTP is for sending e-mail.
Other protocols are for the calendar.  GroupDAV is one:
http://www.groupdav.org/

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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[mobi phil]

I can see my calendars (events,meetings shared with outhers). I do not have
however calendars in shared folders, if that is what you are reffering to. I
can write emails, however I did not try to write (probably would not work)
event/meeting invitations.
Pine is a command line tool, so if you have a terminal it should work, and
building it should be straighforward.

Will try it soon, once I will get my decend environment on openmoko.

good luck!

mobiphil

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM, not12listen  wrote:

>
>
>
> Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> >
> > I also use IMAP over exchange to read my office messages, just ask your
> > sys-admin, it's simple and secure.
> >
> > regards,
> > Nicolas
> >
> >
> > Le mardi 29 septembre 2009 à 15:39 +0200, mobi phil a écrit :
> >> pine as IMAP client (http://www.washington.edu/pine/ ) works fine for
> >> me with MS Exchange server.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> regards
> >> mobi phil
> >> http://mobiphil.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:01 AM, not12listen 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> bringing this back from the dead...
> >>
> >> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in
> >> owning one has not
> >> diminished in the slightest.
> >>
> >> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by
> >> which to
> >> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
> >>
> >> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one
> >> tomorrow... :)
> >>
> >> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a
> >> way to package
> >> the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
> >> Openmoko Mail
> >> or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the wheel?
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >> http://n2.nabble.com/OpenMoko-Exchange-tp2152518p3732419.html
> >> Sent from the Openmoko Support mailing list archive at
> >> Nabble.com.
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> mobi phil
> >>
> >> being mobile, but including technology
> >> http://mobiphil.com
> >>
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> >
> >
>
> firstly, thank you to everyone that has chimed in. :)
>
> secondly, yesterday i reconfigured Evolution Email on my Kubuntu box
> specifically for communicating with our hosted exchange server via IMAP.
>  to
> say that it was problematic, would be an understatement.  i'm sure the
> error
> was on my end.
>
> i did some research on what IMAP can and cannot do - by what i read, it
> cannot do anything with the exchange shared calendars, even my own at that
> point.  if that is accurate, then unfortunately, that is a show stopper for
> me - my ability to read/edit my exchange calender is absolutely required.
>
> this goes back to why i was curious if something similar to Evolution with
> its Exchange capabilities exists on the OM platform or not.
>
> and, i just did some more reading.
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa998606.aspx
>
> if i'm not mistaken, M$ does offer a manner by which IMAP4 Rev1 can share
> out the calendar function via an IMAP type connection.
>
> also, Mobi Phil, do you used the shared calendar function as well as just
> the standard email portion?  if yes, would PINE run on an Open Moko device?
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/OpenMoko-Exchange-tp2152518p3736932.html
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[not12listen]

Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> 
> I also use IMAP over exchange to read my office messages, just ask your
> sys-admin, it's simple and secure.
> 
> regards,
> Nicolas
> 
> 
> Le mardi 29 septembre 2009 à 15:39 +0200, mobi phil a écrit :
>> pine as IMAP client (http://www.washington.edu/pine/ ) works fine for
>> me with MS Exchange server.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> regards
>> mobi phil
>> http://mobiphil.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:01 AM, not12listen 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> bringing this back from the dead...
>> 
>> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in
>> owning one has not
>> diminished in the slightest.
>> 
>> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by
>> which to
>> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
>> 
>> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one
>> tomorrow... :)
>> 
>> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a
>> way to package
>> the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
>> Openmoko Mail
>> or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the wheel?
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://n2.nabble.com/OpenMoko-Exchange-tp2152518p3732419.html
>> Sent from the Openmoko Support mailing list archive at
>> Nabble.com.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
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> 

firstly, thank you to everyone that has chimed in. :)

secondly, yesterday i reconfigured Evolution Email on my Kubuntu box
specifically for communicating with our hosted exchange server via IMAP.  to
say that it was problematic, would be an understatement.  i'm sure the error
was on my end.

i did some research on what IMAP can and cannot do - by what i read, it
cannot do anything with the exchange shared calendars, even my own at that
point.  if that is accurate, then unfortunately, that is a show stopper for
me - my ability to read/edit my exchange calender is absolutely required.

this goes back to why i was curious if something similar to Evolution with
its Exchange capabilities exists on the OM platform or not.

and, i just did some more reading.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa998606.aspx

if i'm not mistaken, M$ does offer a manner by which IMAP4 Rev1 can share
out the calendar function via an IMAP type connection.

also, Mobi Phil, do you used the shared calendar function as well as just
the standard email portion?  if yes, would PINE run on an Open Moko device?
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Nicolas Dufresne]

I also use IMAP over exchange to read my office messages, just ask your
sys-admin, it's simple and secure.

regards,
Nicolas


Le mardi 29 septembre 2009 à 15:39 +0200, mobi phil a écrit :
> pine as IMAP client (http://www.washington.edu/pine/ ) works fine for
> me with MS Exchange server.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> regards
> mobi phil
> http://mobiphil.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:01 AM, not12listen 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> bringing this back from the dead...
> 
> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in
> owning one has not
> diminished in the slightest.
> 
> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by
> which to
> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
> 
> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one
> tomorrow... :)
> 
> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a
> way to package
> the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
> Openmoko Mail
> or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the wheel?
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/OpenMoko-Exchange-tp2152518p3732419.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Support mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[mobi phil]

pine as IMAP client (http://www.washington.edu/pine/ ) works fine for me
with MS Exchange server.


regards
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http://mobiphil.com


On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:01 AM, not12listen  wrote:

>
> bringing this back from the dead...
>
> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in owning one has
> not
> diminished in the slightest.
>
> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which to
> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
>
> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
>
> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to
> package
> the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws, Openmoko Mail
> or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the wheel?
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://n2.nabble.com/OpenMoko-Exchange-tp2152518p3732419.html
> Sent from the Openmoko Support mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Lars Nooden]

not12listen wrote:

> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)

And the day after tomorrow MS would change the specs again to break it.

Is there an option to move off MSexchange to some reliable, modular,
standards-based services?  Kolab and Citadel top the list.

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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Adolf Winterer]

On Tuesday 29 September 2009 07:32:06 not12listen wrote:
> Adolf Winterer wrote:
> > On Tuesday 29 September 2009 05:45:55 not12listen wrote:
> >> Al Johnson wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday 29 September 2009, not12listen wrote:
> >> >> bringing this back from the dead...
> >> >>
> >> >> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in owning one
> >>
> >> has
> >>
> >> >> not diminished in the slightest.
> >> >>
> >> >> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which to
> >> >> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
> >> >>
> >> >> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
> >> >>
> >> >> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to
> >> >> package the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
> >> >> Openmoko Mail or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the
> >> >> wheel?
> >> >
> >> > What _exactly_ do you mean by 'connect to an exchange server'? I ask
> >> > because
> >> > for some people it means 'read my inbox' while others think it means
> >> > 'look and
> >> > feel exactly as Outlook does.' There's a world of difference between
> >> > them, and
> >> > probably solutions for several points in between. What capabilities
> >> > are deal
> >> > breakers if missing, and which ones don't you care about?
> >> >
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> >> my apologies for not being clear.
> >>
> >> i need to be able to view/reply to emails within my inbox and the
> >> folders inside, and also view/edit my calendar - all of this is hosted
> >> on an exchange server of course.
> >
> > There is a project under development, which does native MAPI for
> > communication
> > with Exchange servers, allowing access to all types of objects (folders,
> > shared folders, calendar, contacts...). You may want to have a look at
> > it: 
> >
> > The functions are bundled into a library (libmapi), making them available
> > to
> > all applications that care to use the library. Early versions of
> > interfaces
> > to the library exist for Evolution and the KDE PIM framework Akonadi.
> >
> > - Adolf
> >
> >> if any further clarification is needed, please let me know. :)
>
> so again, as i'm very green with linux, how difficult would this be to get
> working on an OpenMoko Freerunner phone?

You probably want to use a readily made package. I do not know if OpenChange 
is already available pre-packaged for the architecture the Freerunner use, 
but there are packages for Ubuntu and Debian.

Here I found a recipe for making the Debian package:


This should be applicable to the Freerunner's architecture. But sorry, I can't 
do this.

> and honestly, which model should i look at purchasing?



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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[not12listen]

Adolf Winterer wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 29 September 2009 05:45:55 not12listen wrote:
>> Al Johnson wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 29 September 2009, not12listen wrote:
>> >> bringing this back from the dead...
>> >>
>> >> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in owning one
>> has
>> >> not diminished in the slightest.
>> >>
>> >> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which to
>> >> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
>> >>
>> >> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
>> >>
>> >> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to
>> >> package the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
>> >> Openmoko Mail or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the
>> >> wheel?
>> >
>> > What _exactly_ do you mean by 'connect to an exchange server'? I ask
>> > because
>> > for some people it means 'read my inbox' while others think it means
>> > 'look and
>> > feel exactly as Outlook does.' There's a world of difference between
>> > them, and
>> > probably solutions for several points in between. What capabilities are
>> > deal
>> > breakers if missing, and which ones don't you care about?
>> >
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>> my apologies for not being clear.
>>
>> i need to be able to view/reply to emails within my inbox and the folders
>> inside, and also view/edit my calendar - all of this is hosted on an
>> exchange server of course.
> 
> There is a project under development, which does native MAPI for
> communication 
> with Exchange servers, allowing access to all types of objects (folders, 
> shared folders, calendar, contacts...). You may want to have a look at it:
> <http://www.openchange.org/>
> 
> The functions are bundled into a library (libmapi), making them available
> to 
> all applications that care to use the library. Early versions of
> interfaces 
> to the library exist for Evolution and the KDE PIM framework Akonadi.
> 
> - Adolf
> 
>> if any further clarification is needed, please let me know. :)
> 

so again, as i'm very green with linux, how difficult would this be to get
working on an OpenMoko Freerunner phone?

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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Adolf Winterer]

On Tuesday 29 September 2009 05:45:55 not12listen wrote:
> Al Johnson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 29 September 2009, not12listen wrote:
> >> bringing this back from the dead...
> >>
> >> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in owning one has
> >> not diminished in the slightest.
> >>
> >> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which to
> >> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
> >>
> >> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
> >>
> >> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to
> >> package the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
> >> Openmoko Mail or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the
> >> wheel?
> >
> > What _exactly_ do you mean by 'connect to an exchange server'? I ask
> > because
> > for some people it means 'read my inbox' while others think it means
> > 'look and
> > feel exactly as Outlook does.' There's a world of difference between
> > them, and
> > probably solutions for several points in between. What capabilities are
> > deal
> > breakers if missing, and which ones don't you care about?
> >
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> my apologies for not being clear.
>
> i need to be able to view/reply to emails within my inbox and the folders
> inside, and also view/edit my calendar - all of this is hosted on an
> exchange server of course.

There is a project under development, which does native MAPI for communication 
with Exchange servers, allowing access to all types of objects (folders, 
shared folders, calendar, contacts...). You may want to have a look at it:


The functions are bundled into a library (libmapi), making them available to 
all applications that care to use the library. Early versions of interfaces 
to the library exist for Evolution and the KDE PIM framework Akonadi.

- Adolf

> if any further clarification is needed, please let me know. :)



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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[not12listen]

Al Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday 29 September 2009, not12listen wrote:
>> bringing this back from the dead...
>>
>> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in owning one has
>> not diminished in the slightest.
>>
>> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which to
>> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
>>
>> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
>>
>> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to
>> package the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
>> Openmoko Mail or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the
>> wheel?
> 
> What _exactly_ do you mean by 'connect to an exchange server'? I ask
> because 
> for some people it means 'read my inbox' while others think it means 'look
> and 
> feel exactly as Outlook does.' There's a world of difference between them,
> and 
> probably solutions for several points in between. What capabilities are
> deal 
> breakers if missing, and which ones don't you care about?
> 
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my apologies for not being clear.

i need to be able to view/reply to emails within my inbox and the folders
inside, and also view/edit my calendar - all of this is hosted on an
exchange server of course.

if any further clarification is needed, please let me know. :)
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Al Johnson]

On Tuesday 29 September 2009, not12listen wrote:
> bringing this back from the dead...
>
> i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in owning one has
> not diminished in the slightest.
>
> my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which to
> connect an OM device to an exchange server?
>
> in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)
>
> again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to
> package the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws,
> Openmoko Mail or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the
> wheel?

What _exactly_ do you mean by 'connect to an exchange server'? I ask because 
for some people it means 'read my inbox' while others think it means 'look and 
feel exactly as Outlook does.' There's a world of difference between them, and 
probably solutions for several points in between. What capabilities are deal 
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

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bringing this back from the dead...

i've been off the OM boards for a bit, but my interest in owning one has not
diminished in the slightest.

my question still stands...  is there a reasonable method by which to
connect an OM device to an exchange server?

in all honesty, if there is, i'd run out and buy one tomorrow... :)

again, i am VERY green when it comes to linux, but is there a way to package
the Exchange connection add-on of Evolution to either Claws, Openmoko Mail
or Qtmail?  or, is that idea much like re-inventing the wheel?
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[arne anka]

two things:
- what about those maemo guys? don't they create something like that  
already? besides the gui the relevant parts should be in some kind of  
library which should ne portable, shouldn't it?
- re evolution: the same thing applies. shouldn't be the relevant parts in  
a library and thus "only" a new gui be necessary?

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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 14.01.2009, 19:33 +0100 schrieb Olivier Migeot:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 7:03 PM, not12listen  wrote:
> 
> > Does that make sense? :)
> It does. But it's not the faint hearted. Getting Evolution to run on
> Neo won't be too easy, but it should be reasonnably doable (in a
> perfect world, it might compile directly on arm... maybe it already
> does, btw).

hmm, Debian needs to advertise it’s supported platforms more: Almost all
applications are built for armel, including evolution:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/evolution (scroll to bottom)
http://packages.debian.org/sid/evolution-exchange
and almost any other package, as unsuited for an armel machine as can
be :-)

(Your others points are valid, of course)

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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Olivier Migeot]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 7:03 PM, not12listen  wrote:

> Does that make sense? :)

It does. But it's not the faint hearted. Getting Evolution to run on
Neo won't be too easy, but it should be reasonnably doable (in a
perfect world, it might compile directly on arm... maybe it already
does, btw). Then having it running everyday would start to be a pain
in some lower parts : Evolution, as nice as it is, needs a _lot_ of
resource compared to what a Freerunner can offer. The screen size
might be a pain too.

Well it's surely possible to run Evolution. Now whether that would be
the solution to not12listen's problem or not is another whole debate.
And if it were that easy, it'd be done already (Evolution can do much
more than Exchange connectivity, and _many_ people would love those
too). Our guy asked if he _can_ read Exchange mail's on OM. Not within
the year, nor in an unknown future, but _now_. And _now_, he can't.

We got too many people disappointed by the Freerunner, we don't need
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[not12listen]

I might show how 'green' I am (in regards to all things Linux), but Ubuntu
8.10 ships with Evolution Email (don't recall which version), but it works
near perfect with Exchange servers (cannot pull up shared calendars being
its 1 fault - this is NOT a show stopper for me).

My question (in a nutshell) was basically 'is there a portable version of
Evolution Email was available for OpenMoko?'  Because, the Evolution Email
guys got it working right, and that would be an absolutely ideal platform
for me.

During the setup process for the mail account within Evolution Email, you do
specify the HTTPS server hosting your Exchange account, but Outlook works
the exact same way.

So again, if Evolution Email is available on OpenMoko, then I believe that
YES there is a way to get Exchange email on a OpenMoko device...

Does that make sense? :)



Olivier Migeot wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Nicolas Dufresne
>  wrote:
>> Evolution Exchange is a wrapper around the Web Interface of Exchange
>> server.
> 
> Are you sure of that? I thought it was based on Exchange's WebDAV
> access, which is a bit different. Sure it's still tied to web
> technologies, and needs OWA to be enabled on the server, but it's much
> more efficient than wrapping around a web interface, and should work
> well over the internet (you can proxy it through HTTPS frontends or
> anything, if you want).
> 
> There was another connector-like-thing named Brutus, who forced MAPI
> commands through CORBA. But it needed some code at both side (a daemon
> on the server side, and libbrutus on the device/application). I don't
> know if it's still active, though.
> 
> There's also some opensource code regarding ActiveSync "over the air"
> in Zarafa/ZPush projects. This implements part (only server part,
> sadly) of Microsoft's protocol for synchronizing devices over HTTP(S)
> connections, supporting even "idling connections" (branded as
> "DirectPush") to avoid constant polling. Maybe someone can "guess" the
> client part of the protocol by looking at ZPush. It's PHP code, so if
> anyone is brave enough ;)
> 
> Another way, which sounds much more practical for desktop than
> embedded use, is the wonderful work of OpenChange's guys : namely a
> bunch of code to emulate several parts of the Exchange architecture
> within an AD/Samba4 environment. Though it should be pretty effective
> in a LAN, I guess it would need some heavy tweaks to be used over the
> internet.
> 
> Any other ideas?
> 
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Olivier Migeot]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Nicolas Dufresne
 wrote:
> Evolution Exchange is a wrapper around the Web Interface of Exchange server.

Are you sure of that? I thought it was based on Exchange's WebDAV
access, which is a bit different. Sure it's still tied to web
technologies, and needs OWA to be enabled on the server, but it's much
more efficient than wrapping around a web interface, and should work
well over the internet (you can proxy it through HTTPS frontends or
anything, if you want).

There was another connector-like-thing named Brutus, who forced MAPI
commands through CORBA. But it needed some code at both side (a daemon
on the server side, and libbrutus on the device/application). I don't
know if it's still active, though.

There's also some opensource code regarding ActiveSync "over the air"
in Zarafa/ZPush projects. This implements part (only server part,
sadly) of Microsoft's protocol for synchronizing devices over HTTP(S)
connections, supporting even "idling connections" (branded as
"DirectPush") to avoid constant polling. Maybe someone can "guess" the
client part of the protocol by looking at ZPush. It's PHP code, so if
anyone is brave enough ;)

Another way, which sounds much more practical for desktop than
embedded use, is the wonderful work of OpenChange's guys : namely a
bunch of code to emulate several parts of the Exchange architecture
within an AD/Samba4 environment. Though it should be pretty effective
in a LAN, I guess it would need some heavy tweaks to be used over the
internet.

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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Nicolas Dufresne]

By the way, for clarification, I don't think there has ever been native
support for MS exchange in evolution, and anyways the binary protocol
only works within your Lan. Evolution Exchange is a wrapper around the
Web Interface of Exchange server. Today it works quite reliably, but
it's still a little intensive on network and memory. Also, MS Exchange
is not IMAP compatible without alteration of the server.

For sure with a PIM support in FSO we will be more equipe to integrate
mail backends like Exchange.

Nicolas

Le mardi 13 janvier 2009 à 23:39 +0100, Petr Vanek a écrit :

> >i've done a decent amount of searching around.  i have not found any
> >direct answer to my question:
> >
> >does OpenMoko allow/support communication with an Exchange server.
> 
> 
> besides all the other posts on this topic, i think the issue it that
> the real pim support is so far being planned. after storage is fixed, we
> can look at synchronization. this is my understanding.
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

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>i've done a decent amount of searching around.  i have not found any
>direct answer to my question:
>
>does OpenMoko allow/support communication with an Exchange server.


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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Dienstag, den 13.01.2009, 23:03 +0100 schrieb Thomas Otterbein:
> > i know that Evolution email can do Exchange.  last i read, Debian can be
> As far as I know to be a native Exchange-Client Evolution requires a non-free-
> plugin. But even if you purchase it I doubt that the plugin will work on OM.

that used to be the case, but now the evolution plugin is free, or it
wouldn’t be here:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/evolution-exchange

And yes, you could install Debian and that package on your FreeRunner.
It’s just that the evolution UI is not very suited for a
touch-screen-interface and VGA resolution...

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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

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> i know that Evolution email can do Exchange.  last i read, Debian can be
As far as I know to be a native Exchange-Client Evolution requires a non-free-
plugin. But even if you purchase it I doubt that the plugin will work on OM.

However Exchange speaks IMAP and IMAP allows to place contacts and 
appointsments into it's folders. I know of mixed environments (Mac/Win) where 
people use it for common calendars. However I've never had the chance to test 
it myself as I lack access to a Exchange-Server and it's Admin (I don't 
believe it is available by default). If the latter is not an issue for you I 
suggest KDE's KMail for a proof-of-concept test as I'm sure it supports IMAPs 
extended functions.

After a successful test you only have to find a good IMAP-client and probably 
need to extend it only just a bit to do the trick...

> loaded onto the OpenMoko Freerunner.  but, i was just curious if anyone has
> done this, how difficult it was, etc...
>
> Henner Zeller wrote:
> > Maybe there is something available in the context of openmapi ?
> > http://openmapi.org/
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Olivier Migeot 
> >
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, not12listen 
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> does OpenMoko allow/support communication with an Exchange server.
> >>
> >> Simple answer : no. There's ways that could eventually lead to an
> >> exchange-compatible openmoko, but none of them are usable yet nor
> >> anybody expressed interest in exploring them.
> >>
> >> Don't wait for OM to support Exchange, if you really need a
> >> directpush-compatible phone, for for Windows Mobile. Sad, but true.
> >>
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[not12listen]

i know that Evolution email can do Exchange.  last i read, Debian can be
loaded onto the OpenMoko Freerunner.  but, i was just curious if anyone has
done this, how difficult it was, etc...



Henner Zeller wrote:
> 
> Maybe there is something available in the context of openmapi ?
> http://openmapi.org/
> 
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Olivier Migeot 
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, not12listen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> does OpenMoko allow/support communication with an Exchange server.
>>
>> Simple answer : no. There's ways that could eventually lead to an
>> exchange-compatible openmoko, but none of them are usable yet nor
>> anybody expressed interest in exploring them.
>>
>> Don't wait for OM to support Exchange, if you really need a
>> directpush-compatible phone, for for Windows Mobile. Sad, but true.
>>
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Henner Zeller]

Maybe there is something available in the context of openmapi ?
http://openmapi.org/

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Olivier Migeot  wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, not12listen  wrote:
>
>> does OpenMoko allow/support communication with an Exchange server.
>
> Simple answer : no. There's ways that could eventually lead to an
> exchange-compatible openmoko, but none of them are usable yet nor
> anybody expressed interest in exploring them.
>
> Don't wait for OM to support Exchange, if you really need a
> directpush-compatible phone, for for Windows Mobile. Sad, but true.
>
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Re: OpenMoko + Exchange

[Olivier Migeot]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:17 PM, not12listen  wrote:

> does OpenMoko allow/support communication with an Exchange server.

Simple answer : no. There's ways that could eventually lead to an
exchange-compatible openmoko, but none of them are usable yet nor
anybody expressed interest in exploring them.

Don't wait for OM to support Exchange, if you really need a
directpush-compatible phone, for for Windows Mobile. Sad, but true.

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OpenMoko + Exchange

[not12listen]

i've done a decent amount of searching around.  i have not found any direct
answer to my question:

does OpenMoko allow/support communication with an Exchange server.

my work email/contacts/calendar are all hosted on an Exchange server, and i
REALLY want to get an OpenMoko phone and have it be my only phone...
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