Re: [pfSense Support] pfsense using 4 nics?

2006-10-24 Thread Randy B

I've run with as many as 7 interfaces - one SIS, one dual fxp, and one
quad fxp; no issues there.  However, I've not done that on 1.0

On 10/24/06, Rudi Potgieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi All

Does pfsense have a problem using 4 nics?  Whenever I install a fourth in
the machine, one of the nics (usually opt1 or opt2) conflict
with the LAN interface.  When starting up pfsense, there is an asterisk next
to LAN* and OPT1(OPT1)* ?  And if LAN interface is up, then
OPT1 interface is up as well even though no cable plugged in.  When the pc
starts up each network controller is using its own irq.

Any help.

Thanx

Rudi


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Re: [pfSense Support] SSH direct shell access

2006-07-18 Thread Randy B

Coming from having participated in design  authoring automated
systems that telnet/ssh to tens of thousands of devices and manage
them automatically, any such script worth it's salt is going to use
Expect and be able to handle multiple levels of indirection before a
shell prompt.  Contact me off-list if you need more explanation of
Expect.

RB

On 7/18/06, Alastair Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Hi - I've seen that you can disable the *console* menu, but is it possible
to disable the menu for remote SSH connections, so that we get straight to a
shell?  We'd like to be able to run a remote command from a script, for
testing and failure simulation purposes.

 Or does anyone know another trick for getting through the menu and reaching
a shell automagically?

 Cheers
 Alastair

 SysAdmins Ltd
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Re: [pfSense Support] Re: [m0n0wall] Re: per-interface rulebases: why?

2006-06-02 Thread Randy B

No.  I think you are thinking in the wrong direction if you want rules
from one rulebase to magically expand into four rulebases.  That's not
something I've ever wanted, I'm unsure how you ended down that train
of thought.


I think I started that [explicit] train of thought, simply because no
matter how your GUI presents it, rules will always end up
interface-based at some level - networks are just that way.  A GUI is
just going to provide pretty indirection.

I'm not going to deny that interface-based rulesets are complex - they
are intentionally so, because it's the only way to account for 100% of
all edge cases.  If you want a GUI to hide that complexity for you and
be right 90% of the time, that's up to you.  For 99% of the
population, 90% is more than enough; for the typical audience of power
tools like pfSense, it's a failure.  *But* - if someone wants to offer
and maintain a patch to provide that, more power to them.  I will
absolutely disable it myself (after toying with it and seeing what I'm
missing).  Yes, I pulled those numbers from the same place the flying
monkeys came from.

Even though I've ooohed and aaahed over the niceness of pfSense, I've
honestly been considering going back to a raw iptables firewall/router
again, simply because there are some very specific tweaks and
idiosyncrasies I want that pfSense can't or isn't designed to do.  To
each their own.  Boogity boogity!

RB

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Re: [pfSense Support] Re: [m0n0wall] Re: per-interface rulebases: why?

2006-06-02 Thread Randy B

You provide no concrete reasoning for your speculations, and I think
that you're wrong.


What speculation?  That the basis of networking is how specific
machines' interfaces are linked, be it at layer 2 or layer 7?  This
kind of hand-waving really makes me itch for ad-hominem attacks, but
I'm going to thus far resist.


You're saying that the world's largest firewall vendor only account
for 90% of their customer's security?  I think you're wrong here, too
:-).


No, I'm saying that any level of indirection is going to cover up edge
cases and make them impossible to deal with - this is the reality of
programming.  Under the covers, regardless of what you think is
happening, some poor sod at CheckPoint has programmed some arguably
intelligent code that does it's best to translate your your intent
from the GUI into an interface-based ruleset.  If you don't think
that's true... well, I can't help you there.  I'd impolitely suggest a
hike, but we need all types, be they assembly warriors or PHBs.  Ick.
Maybe not the latter.


I officially consider you slightly insane now, hehe.
Or at the least, you have way too much free time on your hands :-).


Clinically insane - I have the papers and take the medicine.  It's
[iptables] what I know and what I like, and has all the edge cases I
can possibly think of covered.  If for some reason it doesn't, I go
download the latest patch-o-matic tarball and insert what I need.


RB

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Re: [pfSense Support] Re: [m0n0wall] Re: per-interface rulebases: why?

2006-06-02 Thread Randy B

Eric better covers things below than what I had written.


What are those edge cases, exactly?

To enumerate all edges I have ever discovered would be more taxing
than my time allows.  To name a few: repeated subnets, interface
balancing, source-based routing, traffic mirroring, TTL mangling,
physdev matching on transparent (L2) bridging...

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Re: [pfSense Support] Re: per-interface rulebases: why?

2006-06-02 Thread Randy B

Any kernel experts out there?


Whoa, waitaminit - you're telling us you expect this to be implemented
at the kernel level?  As in trying to change the way the most trusted,
respected, and audited group of networking-centric OSes views and
handles networks?  The same OS family that's regarded as having _the_
reference network implementation?

Are you on the management track?  This reminds me of the  manager I
had try to make me re-write 'rm' to make it more like windows - ask
you if you *really really* want to delete it, then move it off to some
recovery location.

I, too, have tired.  You're obviously not going to change the
overwhelming majority's opinion (even [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to just
espouse a GUI change), but neither are we going to change yours -
maybe you see something radically wonderful that the rest of us don't,
but until I see a reference implementation (that doesn't *glow* over
the majick of anti-spoofing rules) that works I won't.

RB

Scott/et. al. - I'm done feeding the trolls; sorry for drawing it out so long.

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Re: [pfSense Support] Re: [m0n0wall] Re: per-interface rulebases: why?

2006-06-01 Thread Randy B

I find it irrelevant to the discussion what others are doing, though :-).


Simply that this concept is alien to me, and I'm trying to grasp
context - the more outside examples the better.  It seems that what
you're looking for is somewhat similar to some of the higher-level
shiny bits on Cisco's PDM - just assign the rules and it'll figure
out where they go.


It's all added complexity to me - the interface information is
implicit in the network or host that's already defined for each rule
anyway.  Having to stuff specific rules into specific interfaces is
just completely superfluous, it seems to me.


So it's the presentation that gets you - you could know that under the
covers it's interface-based (and will always be, since networks are
interface-focused), and would probably want a hook that you could set
an explicit interface if need be, but otherwise don't want to be
bothered with it.  DWIM-ery (Do What I Mean) - a constant companion to
our friend from mac.com.  I'd be willing to bet that this discussion
mirrors the GUI/CLI zealots' lines.  I fall in the latter group, but
find UI discussions fascinating.

Not that it's what you're asking for, but at one point when I put a
rule into the wrong interface on pfSense (been a long time ago), it
actually set it on the right one.


RB

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Re: [pfSense Support] openssh vpn support

2006-05-29 Thread Randy B

I've done this myself (full tun/tap setup), replete with DHCP - I just
port-forwarded it through pfSense to an internal host.  It's pretty
neat, but lacks repeatability; I had to script some sudo commands both
server and client-side to set up the interfaces  routing.

RB

On 5/29/06, Scott Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This may not be what your looking for but works pretty well now:
http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=1298.0

On 5/29/06, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Has there been discussion around the feasibility of bringing OpenSSH
 4.3 VPN tunneling support in somehow? It would be another welcome
 addition to simple tunneling capabilities in pfSense.

 --
 Darren Spruell
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Re: [pfSense Support] We need some testing help if you are reading this on Sunday!

2006-04-16 Thread Randy B
Picky bit (a bit late, and package-related).  SpamD hides the
Outlook tab when the SpamD Database tab is clicked.  I've run
through most of the UI on my [not fresh install] system, and not found
any problems so far other than that.

RB

On 4/16/06, Scott Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please help us test!

 http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=1043.0

 I plan on releasing Beta 3 sometime around 7-9PM EST.

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Re: [pfSense Support] Raid disks

2006-04-13 Thread Randy B
Day late, dollar short, and only an opinion:I'll spare you the boring details, but I know  understand enterprise redundancy. Software RAID has it's place, but at the enterprise level it's ridiculous to waste valuable CPU cycles on something a $300 add-on card can do much more efficiently and with much more of a guarantee. That even extends to firewalls  routers, an attitude I'm working on changing, but we have yet to find a system based on general-purpose hardware that can handle our throughput.
RBOn 4/13/06, Scott Ullrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good deal.Let me know if anything is missing and I'll fix it up.This will be our standard solution for people wanting above and beyondnormal items in pfSense :)ScottOn 4/13/06, Guilherme Oliveira 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's it !!! Thanks :-) On 4/13/06, Scott Ullrich 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  One thing that I just noticed is that software raid tools are included  in the developer edition.You could use this to get up and running  but of course this is not supported from our end.Hope this helps,
   Scott   On 4/13/06, Bill Marquette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   On 4/13/06, Guilherme Oliveira 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well, I'll do it but I don't know how can pfSense be used in corporateenvironments if it can't do RAID. And I don't know a better place of a
firewall other than a corporation. I would expect the decision to utilize RAID to be followed with a   quote for RAID capable hardware.  
This raid support was simply erased from the FreeBSD code base. Correct, it's not needed for pfSense, we recommend hardware RAID, it's   more reliable.
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Re: [pfSense Support] Re: ntp startup question

2006-04-11 Thread Randy B
On 4/5/06, Vivek Khera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ISC's ntp is well known and understood and considered very accurate. I see no other choice.

After Running OpenNTP for a while now, I feel less uncomfortable with it - after the first 12 hours or so, the clock swings (+/-12ms) evened out, and it's staying quite comfortably within +/- 2-3ms with very little jitter. In the following output of'ntpq -c peers', the system in question is 'balrog-priv'; note the odd reference clock - I think that's an artifact of the minimal implementation that doesn't allow that level of querying. In fact, for the most part it seems to stay well within 1ms (it refers to no-such-system, dies-irae, and the local system I'm querying from).
remote refidst t when poll reach delay offsetjitter==localhost .INIT.16 l- 10240
0..000 4000.00+balrog-priv 17.4.247.255 5 u125 10243770.182 -0.056 0.040-no-such-system192.168.225.1013 u129 1024377
0.5272.654 0.171-dies-irae 192.168.225.1024 u129 10243771.359 -1.548 0.216-helmsdeep 192.168.225.1013 u 69 1024377
0.312 -1.994 0.200-barad-dur 192.168.132.2494 u115 10243770.243 -1.300 0.401-orthanc 192.168.225.1013 u114 1024377
4.2820.208 0.017*bo-peep 192.168.225.1013 u 49 10243770.887 -0.048 0.046-sheep 192.168.192.60 3 u 75 1024377
0.657 -0.695 0.073-sparky192.168.225.1024 u113 10243770.992 -1.055 1.515-trogdor 192.168.252.1914 u 14 1024377
0.960 -4.816 0.671+pudge 192.168.225.1013 u128 10243770.489 -0.214 0.132


Re: [pfSense Support] Re: ntp startup question

2006-04-05 Thread Randy B
 Joshua, privately I've had interest on this from one other person,
 hopefully they'll contact you to coordinate efforts

That would be me - I'm no BSD developer, but am certainly willing to
muck about with setting up configs for it and such.

OpenNTP's only redeeming factors ATM seem to be it's size and
simplicity; I'm not an NTP hero either, but in my short experiments
today, I find it only good enough as far as time quality.  You can't
run ntptrace against it, and it has a lot of jitter when compared to
my other peers.  It becomes a peer candidate early on, but then gets
discarded as an outlier pretty quickly and stays there.  May be my
system, since I intentionally chose one with a poor clock, but...

RB


Re: [pfSense Support] ntp startup question

2006-04-04 Thread Randy B
 And yes, we are open to replacing it with something else if someone
 wants to do the plubming.

If given the choice between ntp.org
(http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Main/NTPcopyrightStatement) and OpenNTP
(OpenBSD), which would you prefer?


Re: [pfSense Support] seperation of network

2006-03-13 Thread Randy B
That's the way I do it - IIRC, you may have to set up the 'allow' for
that subnet to go out, but you will definitely need to set one up to
deny from them to LAN (or some subset thereof).

The nice thing is that I have my own ISC DHCP/BIND setup on my LAN,
but I can just let pfSense take care of that other subnet so they're
completely isolated.

On 3/13/06, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Holger,

 Thank you for quick reply.
 So do I have to actually add a physical NIC, and assign another internal ip
 and subnet for it, and then put rules to allow in firewall?

 Jason



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 From: Holger Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: support@pfsense.com
 Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:24 PM
 Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] seperation of network


  Yes, add an OPT1 interface and create one pass rule to allow all traffic
  to destination not lansubnet.
 
  Holger
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:05 AM
  To: support@pfsense.com
  Subject: [pfSense Support] seperation of network
 
 
  Hi,
 
 I need to let some of our guests to use our broadband, but I'm
  concerned about security. Can I force them to use a different subnet other
  than my Lan? It seems that vlan is doing such a function, but buying an
  expensive switch is not an option for me. What else can I try? Can I add
  another cheap NIC and another cheap hub for the job? Thanks for help.
 
  Jason
 
  
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Re: [pfSense Support] Bitten by the cleanup bug...

2006-02-03 Thread Randy B

1.0-BETA1-TESTING-SNAPSHOT-1-28-06-pfSense

It wasn't the end of the world, I'd just put it together anyway so 
everything was fresh.  I saw something like /tmp/mypf/boot/rc.boot: 
permission denied and /tmp/mypf/boot: directory not empty, saw my HD 
running away and just groaned.  ;-)  I let it finish itself off before I 
started recovering, since there really was no telling how far the 
deletion had already gotten.


Scott Ullrich wrote:

Great, what version where you running?

On 2/2/06, Randy B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not a submitted bug, but just wanted to let you guys know (for
historical purposes):

If you boot your system to the pfSense LiveCD to fsck disks or the like,
_DO NOT_ assume that mounted partitions will be automagically and safely
unmounted upon reboot - especially if they're mounted somewhere
unfortunate like a subdirectory of /tmp.

That's right.  I had some trouble and used the LiveCD to boot  fsck the
partitions; not a bad deal, but I mounted the root partition under
/tmp/mypf (just to verify) and *luckily* copied off config.xml and
dyndns.cache to another server.  Upon reboot, some cleanup script
happily and recursively deleted everything under /tmp.  I just spent 1.5
hours recovering...


RB

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Re: [pfSense Support] Bitten by the cleanup bug...

2006-02-03 Thread Randy B

Scott Ullrich wrote:

On 2/3/06, Rainer Duffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If so, don't do this!

I always use /mnt...


Yes, use /mnt instead of /tmp/ so that you do not whipe you're data.

Scott



Indeed; I always use /mnt as well, but it was readonly (0555), and I 
didn't even think to chmod it and then make my mount - I just happily 
bounced down over to /tmp and went my way...  *sigh*  Even when it 
happened, I had to chuckle at myself.


RB

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[pfSense Support] Bitten by the cleanup bug...

2006-02-02 Thread Randy B
Not a submitted bug, but just wanted to let you guys know (for 
historical purposes):


If you boot your system to the pfSense LiveCD to fsck disks or the like, 
_DO NOT_ assume that mounted partitions will be automagically and safely 
unmounted upon reboot - especially if they're mounted somewhere 
unfortunate like a subdirectory of /tmp.


That's right.  I had some trouble and used the LiveCD to boot  fsck the 
partitions; not a bad deal, but I mounted the root partition under 
/tmp/mypf (just to verify) and *luckily* copied off config.xml and 
dyndns.cache to another server.  Upon reboot, some cleanup script 
happily and recursively deleted everything under /tmp.  I just spent 1.5 
hours recovering...



RB

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Re: [pfSense Support] IPSec enhancements ??s

2006-01-26 Thread Randy B
Long time listener, first time caller.  Bearded, black-wearing, 
anti-social, White Zombie  Otep-listening security professional.


I'm not going to quote the precise statement because it's not worth 
repeating, but it's rather obvious that you're not making much headway 
with your suggestion because of your rather abrasive response to being 
at least temporarily shot down.


Good example of how not to approach getting other people to do something 
you want done.


RB

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Re: AW: [pfSense Support] beeps gone?

2006-01-04 Thread Randy B

I've loosed a monster...  ;-)

FWIW, I think there's a wrong note in the version I sent out to the list.

Jonathan Woodard wrote:
Thanks for fixing this from me as well, I enjoy the beeps as well. On a 
side note, I would again like to throw my vote for Star Wars Imperial 
March. :-)


Holger Bauer wrote:


They'll work again with 1.0beta2 which isn't released yet.

Holger

 


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Betreff: [pfSense Support] beeps gone?


Hi, I'm trying out the beta and I don't hear the very helpful startup
beeps anymore. I don't see an option in the gui. Did the beeps get
taken out or is it some problem on my machine only?
Thanks,
Vinc

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Re: [pfSense Support] Does anybody have more than 2GB RAM?

2005-11-09 Thread Randy B

Rainer Duffner wrote:

Hi,

I tried installing the 0.90 that was on the mirrors this morning on a 
Dual 1.2 GHz Tualation (a Supermicro P3TDE6) with 4 GB RAM.
Both FreeBSD6 and that 0.90 snapshot paniced relatively early in the 
boot-sequence.


I've run 0.7x-series pfSense successfully on a Dell 2550 with 4GB RAM.

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Re: [pfSense Support] Dump states featue

2005-10-31 Thread Randy B



I got to this point just running about 500 requests/sec  in apache
benchmark.  No keepalive. 



Strike me as inexperienced here, but wouldn't you want to tweak PF a bit 
for your environment?  Did you try the Firewall Optimization Options 
and set it to aggressive?


Methinks one would have a firewall set up differently when putting it in 
front of a large webserver as opposed to fronting a SOHO network, which 
is what most of us have


RB

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Re: [pfSense Support] pfsense 0.88

2005-10-22 Thread Randy B

Hm. Strange. As I understand DHCP relay should be run in addition to
Pass-through mode if DHCP is used.   But I'm not sure how to set one up.

1:1 NAT is an option but I'd like to keep private IPs internally. 


I of course could set pfsense to router mode but I guess kind of
bridging is what I'd like the most. 


Basically I'm concerned about what if it fails?  - keeping same as
external IPs would allow me to simply take of pfSense and temporary use
local firewalls.   It is not great but better than having it down.


After thinking further, I think I'd recommend the NAT, myself - that 
way, should one of your internal hosts fail, it would be a rather simple 
operation to map it's external IP to another internal host's internal IP.


You'd either set up a mapping between, say, 192.168.0.1/29 and your 
external block.  pfSense would then map 192.168.0.1 to your first 
external up through 192.168.0.8 to your last; you could also do that 
mapping manually, it's really up to you.  You'd still maintain the 
internal private IPs, and would probably want to set up your internal 
DNS to point to them instead of your external ones, but (depending on 
what firewall rules you set up) will have access to each one of them via 
their independent external IPs.


That, and I too recommend putting up two firewalls and CARPing between 
them - even with reasonably cheap hardware, you're going to get far 
greater reliability and easier maintenance than with one really 
expensive, really good piece of hardware.  If your concern is 
availability, that, by far, is the way to go.


RB

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Re: [pfSense Support] pfsense on mac mini?

2005-09-10 Thread Randy B

Kinda OT, but good info for someone possibly :)


Well, since we're sharing hardware platforms, here are two of my favorites:

http://www.advantech.com/products/Model_Detail.asp?model_id=1-U89QYBU=NCGPD=

http://www.mbx.com/oem/reference_platforms/RP-1013.cfm

Both have space for a Soekris 1411 or 1401, both have CF on the 
motherboard...


If any of you can get old Symbol WS-5000 chassis (I HATE the OS) from 
someone, you should be able to get them pretty cheap, and they're just 
perfect - already have one P-III 1GHz in them and have space for 
another, plus typically 256MB of RAM and a 256MB DOM - lots of fun you 
can have with that.  Dual standard IDE controllers, 2x USB, 2x fxp,  a 
serial port.  Contact me if you need help getting past the headless 
BIOS.  :-D  Heck, I'd buy one myself if they were cheap.  Don't care 
about the AXPs or software, though.


RB

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Re: [pfSense Support] iperf question

2005-08-20 Thread Randy B

Fleming, John (ZeroChaos) wrote:

I'd also like to know which rl cards these are. Can you send the output
of pciconf -lv?


Glad to oblige

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:9:0:   class=0x02 card=0x13011186 chip=0x13001186 rev=0x10 
hdr=0x00

vendor   = 'D-Link System Inc'
device   = 'DL 10038C or 10038D (Remark of Realtek RTL-8139) Fast 
Ethernet Adapter'

class= network
subclass = ethernet
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:10:0: class=0x02 card=0xf3111385 chip=0x0020100b rev=0x00 
hdr=0x00

vendor   = 'National Semiconductor'
device   = 'DP83815/16 Fast Ethernet Adapter (MacPhyter/MacPhyter-II)'
class= network
subclass = ethernet
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:11:0:  class=0x02 card=0x13011186 chip=0x13001186 rev=0x10 
hdr=0x00

vendor   = 'D-Link System Inc'
device   = 'DL 10038C or 10038D (Remark of Realtek RTL-8139) Fast 
Ethernet Adapter'

class= network
subclass = ethernet


Chris Buechler wrote:
  Yes it is.  iperf doesn't test full duplex, it's one direction only

(with one connection, run a server and a client on each side and you
can test full duplex).  You'll never get more than 100 Mb on a 100Mb
link or 10 Mb on a 10 Mb link, even if it's full duplex, with a single
iperf server and client.

The specific command I ran was iperf -i 1 -N -d -P3 -c 192.168.0.1 - 
from the options on my Gentoo box, -d says it does a bidirectional test 
simultaneously, testing (I presumed) duplex.



rl's are known for poor performance, but should be better than that
unless you're only running a 100-200 MHz machine or so.


I just barely miss that category... ;-)
CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (300.68-MHz 586-class CPU)


You should be seeing:
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) 
in your ifconfig output.  Exactly what are you seeing on that line?


rl0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
options=8VLAN_MTU
inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
inet6 fe80::211:95ff:fe28:ab2f%rl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
ether 00:11:95:28:ab:2f
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active


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Re: [pfSense Support] iperf question

2005-08-20 Thread Randy B

Chris Buechler wrote:

hah  Well...that's probably the best you can get on that.  :)  With rl
NIC's at least, since they're interrupt happy.


Wow.  That was certainly it.  Ran top and showed 0% idle CPU with over 
70% interrupt dedicated to interrupts and ~25% system.  I knew the RL 
NICs were poor, just never knew how poor they really were until I 
started playing around with BSD - I guess my Linux machines have always 
been powerful enough to overcome the danged things.  Funny this - the 
93Mb was between a desktop Athlon XP-1800 and a laptop AMD-64 3000+, 
both with RTL-8139 NICs.


I guess I'll stop buying the crappy RTL cards now, eh?

Hey, anyone interested in a couple of top-quality NICs?  I'll sell 'em 
to you cheap!


RB


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Re: [pfSense Support] Alert about pf rules syntax errors... again...

2005-08-16 Thread Randy B

Scott Ullrich wrote:

I just tested the latest vpn.inc with my home firewall that has 4+
ipsec links and it works fine.I'll be releasing a new version
soon.  Please be on the lookout for it and give it a try.

Scott


I'm still showing this issue in 0.77.  My last fix was to comment out a 
large swath of /etc/inc/filter.inc, but I tried to be a bit more 
pragmatic about it this time, and realized that I came to the precise 
same conclusions that M. Kohn came to.  There needs to be some catch, 
some hook in vpn_ipsec.php (line 36 where the empty definition is 
created), filter.inc (see previously submitted patch), or vpn.inc. 
Something somewhere either has to stop making the empty tunnel or 
everything else has to be changed to be able to deal with it.


Scott - you said a change to filter.inc is not the correct fix, and to 
make it in /etc/inc/vpn.inc.  Why would that be?  AFAICT, vpn.inc just 
sets up defined tunnels - very little error control in it.  The 
specified code chunk in filter.inc (starting ~2093) seems to be the 
flawed one - it just happily chews right over definitions, uncaring 
whether they're empty or not.  Shouldn't a process that's generating 
system commands be a bit more concerned about whether or not it's 
putting out proper syntax?


RB

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