Re: Email Lists

[Mark Rousell]

As long as I can automatically read all messages and post to the list
entirely and solely by email then I vote yes to the migration.

I am not interested in a web UI other for one-off configuration jobs.

I would hope that users were transparently imported into the new system
with no user interaction required.

As for archives from before the migration, it seems to me that these do
not need to be imported into the new system; they can stay where they are.



On 06/10/2022 10:52, Gary Kramlich wrote:
> Greetings Programs!
>
> As some of you may be aware, we've been in the process of
> transitioning our email lists to a new server. Well, managing email in
> 2022 is tedious and unforgiving so it's taking forever and I always
> have a ton more on my plate that's easier to do.
>
> As such, the idea has come up to migrate to Discource instead. Because
> of this, I'm trying to see how others feel about this and how we
> should go about importing things. They are listed below.
>
> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.
>
> Please respond as soon as possible as I would really like to start on
> this migration no later than 2022-10-14.
>
> When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please
> answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>
> When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users imported
> into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>
> When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported
> into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>
> Thanks! 

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Re: Email Lists

[Mark Rousell]

On 06/10/2022 17:12, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
>
>> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
>> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.
>
> Why does it matter?  Currently, the archives are open for the whole
> Internet to see.
>
Agreed. There is no need to change the state of the archives (especially
if they stay where they currently are).


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Re: Email Lists

[Gary Kramlich]

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:35 AM Mark Rousell  wrote:
>
> On 06/10/2022 17:12, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
> >
> >> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
> >> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.
> >
> > Why does it matter?  Currently, the archives are open for the whole
> > Internet to see.
> >
> Agreed. There is no need to change the state of the archives (especially
> if they stay where they currently are).

The issue with the current archives is that pipermail is a mailman 2
thing, and mailman 2 has been deprecated for mailman 3 for a while now
and it's not available in distro packager managers anymore. So
something needs to be figured out to turn it into a static site or
something else that's actually maintained.

> --
> Mark Rousell

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Re: Email Lists

[pidgin]

On 2022-10-07 08:37, Gary Kramlich wrote:

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:35 AM Mark Rousell  wrote:


On 06/10/2022 17:12, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:



I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.


Why does it matter?  Currently, the archives are open for the whole
Internet to see.


Agreed. There is no need to change the state of the archives (especially
if they stay where they currently are).


The issue with the current archives is that pipermail is a mailman 2
thing, and mailman 2 has been deprecated for mailman 3 for a while now
and it's not available in distro packager managers anymore. So
something needs to be figured out to turn it into a static site or
something else that's actually maintained.


The current archives are not searchable (or if they are, I could not find a way 
to easily search them), so I don't see a reason to keep them as they are.

My comment only concerned the anonymization.  I feel that anonymizing them any 
further than the current publicly-accessible archives is kind of pointless.

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Re: Email Lists

[David Woolley]

On 07/10/2022 16:52, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
The current archives are not searchable (or if they are, I could not 
find a way to easily search them), so I don't see a reason to keep them 
as they are.




I generally find Google is better at searching most sites than the 
sites' own search feature.


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Re: Email Lists

[Brian Morrison]

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:24:34 -0600
Dave Warren  wrote:

> On 2022-10-06 12:14, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
> > On 2022-10-06 12:39, Brian Morrison wrote:  
> >> Exactly like? So it's a mailing list manager...  
> > 
> > Apparently a hybrid.  I don't know how well they managed to pull
> > that off, but they claim they have.  
> 
> Better than anything else I have seen. Possibly not the best. It
> isn't perfect, especially because of things that happen on the web
> that can't in email (edits and moderation being prime examples).

Moderation? Count me out then!

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Brian Morrison

"I am not young enough to know everything"
  Oscar Wilde

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Re: Email Lists

[pidgin]

On 2022-10-07 12:11, Brian Morrison wrote:

Moderation? Count me out then!


Why?

If Gary removes a spammer's post from the the forum, how would it affect you?
It's not like he can reach into your mailbox and undeliver the message.


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