Metacity patch causing some drama
I get a number of windowing errors from time to time, that I've never seen before. Most of them requiring a restart. I cannot know for sure that they're related to the metacity patch (and now say, FF3), but the coincidence is inescapable. I sure hope this gets fixed. I find pidgin almost unusuable if I have to hunt for my IMs. The patch as restored the functionality, but at a cost of endless suspicion about that meta city patch. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Lost-workspace-function-with-Ubuntu-Hardy-tp18352855p18436811.html Sent from the Pidgin Support List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Support mailing list Support@pidgin.im http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Metacity patch causing some drama
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:18 PM, tunnel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I get a number of windowing errors from time to time, that I've never seen > before. Most of them requiring a restart. I cannot know for sure that > they're related to the metacity patch (and now say, FF3), but the > coincidence is inescapable. I sure hope this gets fixed. I find pidgin > almost unusuable if I have to hunt for my IMs. The patch as restored the > functionality, but at a cost of endless suspicion about that meta city > patch. It sounds like we don't think there's much we can do about this without hurting the behavior of Pidgin for other people. Do you think you could leave a friendly comment at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486445 and describe what happens now and explain what you think the ideal behavior would be and why? Thanks, Mark ___ Support mailing list Support@pidgin.im http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Metacity patch causing some drama
Mark Doliner wrote: > > It sounds like we don't think there's much we can do about this > without hurting the behavior of Pidgin for other people. Do you think > you could leave a friendly comment at > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486445 and describe what > happens now and explain what you think the ideal behavior would be and > why? Thanks,Mark That is not the impression I am getting from Casey. Trying to rectify the two responses, and not sure how to proceed. As for posting to gnome bugzilla, I really think this is a pretty big issue that has completely altered previous Pidgin behavior. It seems out of place for me, a mere user, to discuss such a core bug with the gnome windowing people, when Pidgin developers would be far move vested in the issue, and better able to understand the questions and follow-up that would no doubt ensue there. Users and devs have a different vernacular and base of understanding. If I had the good fortune to have the skills of a Pidgin developer, I'd be one, and probably be all over this issue like stink on a monkey. Sadly, I'm not. But if you really feel it would help, I will try. I'd rather someone with a clue do that. I'm just the poor dumb user who wants it all to, as the Apple folks love to say, "just work." -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Lost-workspace-function-with-Ubuntu-Hardy-tp18352855p18447404.html Sent from the Pidgin Support List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Support mailing list Support@pidgin.im http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Metacity patch causing some drama
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:22 AM, tunnel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Doliner wrote: >> >> It sounds like we don't think there's much we can do about this >> without hurting the behavior of Pidgin for other people. Do you think >> you could leave a friendly comment at >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486445 and describe what >> happens now and explain what you think the ideal behavior would be and >> why? Thanks,Mark > > That is not the impression I am getting from Casey. Trying to rectify the > two responses, and not sure how to proceed. As for posting to gnome > bugzilla, I really think this is a pretty big issue that has completely > altered previous Pidgin behavior. It seems out of place for me, a mere user, > to discuss such a core bug with the gnome windowing people, when Pidgin > developers would be far move vested in the issue, and better able to > understand the questions and follow-up that would no doubt ensue there. > Users and devs have a different vernacular and base of understanding. > > If I had the good fortune to have the skills of a Pidgin developer, I'd be > one, and probably be all over this issue like stink on a monkey. Sadly, I'm > not. But if you really feel it would help, I will try. I'd rather someone > with a clue do that. I'm just the poor dumb user who wants it all to, as the > Apple folks love to say, "just work." I believe Casey said he would try to create a plugin which makes Pidgin behave the way it used to. But that's really not an ideal solution. If you really want the old behavior back it would be better if you let the window manager developers know the problem you're having so they can figure out the best way to fix it. Another good place to leave a friendly comment is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/207744 -Mark ___ Support mailing list Support@pidgin.im http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Metacity patch causing some drama
Thanks for clarifying Mark. I guess I did misread Casey's intent. I will be happy to TRY and make the post, as you suggest, though I really don't even know quite how to approach it. I guess I am still unclear why such a major change in existing behavior would await a lowly user like me to try and explain the problem to the Gnome folks. Given the stature of yourself and other Pidgin developers, I would assume the issue might get a bit more of their mindshare if it came from you. But then maybe I am just a minority, and few people even use multiple Ubuntu workstations. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Lost-workspace-function-with-Ubuntu-Hardy-tp18352855p18454723.html Sent from the Pidgin Support List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Support mailing list Support@pidgin.im http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Metacity patch causing some drama
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, tunnel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for clarifying Mark. I guess I did misread Casey's intent. I will be > happy to TRY and make the post, as you suggest, though I really don't even > know quite how to approach it. I guess I am still unclear why such a major > change in existing behavior would await a lowly user like me to try and > explain the problem to the Gnome folks. Given the stature of yourself and > other Pidgin developers, I would assume the issue might get a bit more of > their mindshare if it came from you. But then maybe I am just a minority, > and few people even use multiple Ubuntu workstations. I don't know if I would describe it as such a major change in existing behavior... I'm sure there are many people who don't even use multiple desktops. The difference in behavior might be clear, but whether that difference is good or not is a much fuzzier issue. I guess it would be a good idea for one of us to leave a note too (Casey or Richard are more familiar with the issue than me), but it's still important for developers to hear from users. I don't expect they would change the behavior if you were the only person leaving a comment, but your comment combined with other users will give them an idea of how people expect their window manager to behave. -Mark ___ Support mailing list Support@pidgin.im http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Metacity patch causing some drama
@mark, I did the best I could to describe the issue at Bugzilla.gnome. Hope it can help. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482354 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Lost-workspace-function-with-Ubuntu-Hardy-tp18352855p18455036.html Sent from the Pidgin Support List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Support mailing list Support@pidgin.im http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
