Re: "Lost connection with server: Remote host closed connection."

[pidgin]

On 2023-01-12 22:40, Jack Sidebottom wrote:

HELP!


Why are you sending this to me rather than to the mailing list?
I'm just a Pidgin user like you.

I CC'd the list in the reply.


Pidgin updated to: *Pidgin 2.14.12*(libpurple 2.14.12) Worked last night, down again.� 
Message says "Lost connection with server: Remote host closed connection."

Pidgin Account settings:
Protocol: XMPP
Domain: lightwitch.org
Connect server: im.aria-net.site


Lightwitch has been unstable lately, contact them.


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Re: Mailing List Shutdown

[Gary Kramlich]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 12:36 AM  wrote:
>
> IIRC, Discourse has an email interface.

It does, but from what I've seen it isn't exactly to use and is a
third party plugin iirc.

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Re: Mailing List Shutdown

[pidgin]

On 2023-01-09 22:44, Mark Rousell wrote:

Oh well.

Whilst I greatly prefer (as a recipient!) the simplicity of MM2 mail
lists, I can well appreciate not wanting to fight issues of spam
blocking and deliverability. It's very sad but I do understand.


IIRC, Discourse has an email interface.

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Re: Mailing List Shutdown

[Mark Rousell]

Oh well.

Whilst I greatly prefer (as a recipient!) the simplicity of MM2 mail
lists, I can well appreciate not wanting to fight issues of spam
blocking and deliverability. It's very sad but I do understand.


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Re: "Certificate Expired " notice and multiple breaks in service since Nov

[pidgin]

On 2023-01-03 22:20, Jack Sidebottom wrote:

Connection was lost and "Certificate expired" notice with opportunity to 
review, reject, or accept available. I accepted, but the certificate really needs to be 
renewed/updated. This failed certificate auth. may be cause of broken connections.

Notice saying:  "The certificate for meaveen.lightwitch.org could not be validated.  The 
certificate claims to be from "*.akamaimesh.net" instead.  This could mean that you are 
not connecting to the service you believe you are."

Thanks for your untiring efforts to keep this venue available!

I tried desperately to figure out though the site how to report bugs - no go. 
Pulled this email address from the last time I contacted you.



Yup, browser also complains about it.

Suggestions:

1) Change meaveen.lightwitch.org to lightwitch.org in the account properties, 
as per https://lightwitch.org/xmpp-guide/pidgin-instructions

2) Complain on https://aria-net.org/SitePages/Portal/Contact-Us.aspx

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Re: "Certificate Expired " notice and multiple breaks in service since Nov

[Jack Sidebottom]

Thank you for your prompt response. I have followed your suggestion and 
contacted LightWitch



On 1/3/2023 21:27, Michael Secord wrote:
You have contact the public Pidgin support list. Pidgin doesn't run 
any services, simply provides the client you're using.


You'll want to contact the owners of the server you're connecting to, 
a quick glance looks like you should probably start at 
https://lightwitch.org/ and try and find contact information for the 
server provider there.


-Michael

On 01/03/2023 22:20, Jack Sidebottom wrote:
Connection was lost and "Certificate expired" notice with opportunity 
to review, reject, or accept available. I accepted, but the 
certificate really needs to be renewed/updated. This failed 
certificate auth. may be cause of broken connections.


Notice saying:  "The certificate for meaveen.lightwitch.org could not 
be validated.  The certificate claims to be from "*.akamaimesh.net" 
instead.  This could mean that you are not connecting to the service 
you believe you are."


Thanks for your untiring efforts to keep this venue available!

I tried desperately to figure out though the site how to report bugs 
- no go. Pulled this email address from the last time I contacted you.








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Re: "Certificate Expired " notice and multiple breaks in service since Nov

[Michael Secord]

You have contact the public Pidgin support list. Pidgin doesn't run any 
services, simply provides the client you're using.


You'll want to contact the owners of the server you're connecting to, a 
quick glance looks like you should probably start at 
https://lightwitch.org/ and try and find contact information for the 
server provider there.


-Michael

On 01/03/2023 22:20, Jack Sidebottom wrote:
Connection was lost and "Certificate expired" notice with opportunity 
to review, reject, or accept available. I accepted, but the 
certificate really needs to be renewed/updated. This failed 
certificate auth. may be cause of broken connections.


Notice saying:  "The certificate for meaveen.lightwitch.org could not 
be validated.  The certificate claims to be from "*.akamaimesh.net" 
instead.  This could mean that you are not connecting to the service 
you believe you are."


Thanks for your untiring efforts to keep this venue available!

I tried desperately to figure out though the site how to report bugs - 
no go. Pulled this email address from the last time I contacted you.




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Re: Pidgin for BBOS

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Mon, 2022-12-12 at 16:58 -0300, El Donaman2017 wrote:
> i thought there
> is an ver for BBOS after getting mentioned on an page https:/ /
> your-nextel-blackberry.blogspot.com/2008/08/pidgin-im-client-250-released.html

Oh, sorry, I forgot to reply to this point. That seems to be just someone's 
blog, and the author not necessarily posts content related to BBOS

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Re: Pidgin for BBOS

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Mon, 2022-12-12 at 16:58 -0300, El Donaman2017 wrote:
> hello :D
> I would like to know if there is any version of Pidgin available for
> Blackberry OS 6 because a few days ago I was with some friends and they
> showed me a version of Pidgin running on Windows 2000 and 

>From a little googling, it seems there isn't for technical reasons. [1][2] That
said, I think it should be possible to compile libpurple into Java bytecode
(again, from some search there seems to be some compilers C → java bytecode),
and then create a native BBOS client to libpurple (because Pidgin per se is GTK
based, and this one you sure not gonna run on BBOS). Not sure anybody have done
that though.

1: https://lists.pidgin.im/pipermail/support/2018-July/030316.html
2: https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/4769

> i thought there
> is an ver for BBOS after getting mentioned on an page https:/ /
> your-nextel-blackberry.blogspot.com/2008/08/pidgin-im-client-250-released.html
> 
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Re: Help with Wox Pidgin plugin

[Eion Robb]

Hi Jakub,

I've not used wox before, but looking at the source code for that wox
module it looks like you create a hard-coded list of XMPP contacts in a
contact.json file which looks like [{"name":"internal name", "alias":
"friendly name", "email": "xmpp address"}...] and then it calls an xmpp:
URI handler to send the message, assuming that Pidgin is installed as the
system XMPP handler?

Not the greatest workflow to be honest, and won't work with your Telegram
use-case.  Something that used the Pidgin Dbus API to lookup current
contacts, and handled more than just XMPP would be cooler :)

Cheers,
Eion

On Mon, 12 Dec 2022 at 11:37, Jakub Fedoruk  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I found a Wox plugin for Pidgin.
> http://www.wox.one/plugin/8
> It uses a configuration json file with values: name, ext, email, alias.
> Could you help me figure out how to make it work, where should i put
> contact id or other data to make it work? I am trying to add a telegram
> contact.
>
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Re: help

[karter1900]

I did not understand if pidgin and a messenger, is used to exchange messages 
between people? And a skipe type thing?



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On Tuesday, December 6th, 2022 at 8:06 PM, David Woolley 
 wrote:


> On 02/12/2022 15:45, karter1900 wrote:
> 
> > Hello I tried several times to create an account on pidgin but I can not 
> > connect on the network, can you help me understand how to use pidgin?
> 
> 
> You don't create accounts on Pidgin; you create them on a server, then
> configure Pidgin to access them. There are many types of server that
> Pidgin can use, and for some of those types, there are many possible
> instance of servers.
> 
> Without knowing which type of server you are trying to connect to and
> which particular instance, it is difficult to provide much help. In any
> case, none of the servers will be under control of the people who
> maintain Pidgin.

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Re: help

[David Woolley]

On 02/12/2022 15:45, karter1900 wrote:

Hello I tried several times to create an account on pidgin but I can not 
connect on the network, can you help me understand how to use pidgin?


You don't create accounts on Pidgin;  you create them on a server, then 
configure Pidgin to access them.  There are many types of server that 
Pidgin can use, and for some of those types, there are many possible 
instance of servers.


Without knowing which type of server you are trying to connect to and 
which particular instance, it is difficult to provide much help.  In any 
case, none of the servers will be under control of the people who 
maintain Pidgin.


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Re: Authenticating with undernet.org's X service

[Kourosh P.]

Thank you for clarifying that.
Appreciate your help.

Kourosh

On Mon., Nov. 21, 2022, 12:37 Eion Robb,  wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Glad you got it going :)
>
> The "enable keepalives" option is from a different plugin that lets you
> turn off keepalives that are normally forced on in different protocol
> plugins, to deal with unusual or problematic irc and XMPP servers. You
> probably wouldnt normally need it :)
>
> Cheers,
> Eion
>
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2022, 06:12 Kourosh P.,  wrote:
>
>> Hi Eion,
>>
>> Thank you for your reply. Yes I did figure that out, I am on openSUSE and
>> got the plugin installed.
>> I saw that you had an option called "Enable Keepalives", which plugin
>> does that belong to?  I wonder if the settings you suggested will activate
>> if there is a netsplit or server reconnect.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Kourosh
>>
>>
>> On Mon., Nov. 21, 2022, 01:56 Eion Robb,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kourosh,
>>>
>>> You might find that there's a purple-plugin-pack package in the repo of
>>> whichever distro you're using.  Otherwise, I believe extracting the tar.gz
>>> and running ./configure && make && make install is needed.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Eion
>>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 10:23, Kourosh P. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Eion for your reply,
 How do I "install" irc-helper on a Linux based system? Do I extract the
 *tar.gz file and put it somewhere?

 Thank you,
 Kourosh

 On Sun., Nov. 20, 2022, 14:50 Eion Robb,  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> After playing around with a few options, I've found the best way to
> auth with undernet is to use the irc-helper plugin (in the
> purple-plugin-pack) which enables extra options in the 'Advanced' tab on
> the account.  After setting SASL details and Auth/nick details, it logs in
> and authenticates without needing to do any buddy pounces.  My account
> settings ended up looking like
>
>
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> Cheers,
> Eion
>
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 05:58, Kourosh P. 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Pidgin support,
>> Thank you for an amazing app.
>>
>> I am a new user with Pidgin. For the life of me I have been trying to
>> figure out how to use the undernet.org's X service with the Buddy
>> Pounce in
>> Pidgin. Following the instructions on "How do I authenticate/identify
>> with
>> a buddy pounce..." every time I connect to the server, X asks "To use
>> LOGIN, you must /msg x...@channels.undernet.org".
>>
>> How do I incorporate that in the Buddy Pounce settings as the Pidgin
>> website indicates not to use "/msg " ? I have even tried to add
>> the
>> Buddy name as x...@channels.undernet.org instead of X but no success.
>>
>> Would appreciate your guidance.
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>> Kourosh
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Re: Authenticating with undernet.org's X service

[Eion Robb]

Hi again,

Glad you got it going :)

The "enable keepalives" option is from a different plugin that lets you
turn off keepalives that are normally forced on in different protocol
plugins, to deal with unusual or problematic irc and XMPP servers. You
probably wouldnt normally need it :)

Cheers,
Eion

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022, 06:12 Kourosh P.,  wrote:

> Hi Eion,
>
> Thank you for your reply. Yes I did figure that out, I am on openSUSE and
> got the plugin installed.
> I saw that you had an option called "Enable Keepalives", which plugin does
> that belong to?  I wonder if the settings you suggested will activate if
> there is a netsplit or server reconnect.
>
> Thank you,
> Kourosh
>
>
> On Mon., Nov. 21, 2022, 01:56 Eion Robb,  wrote:
>
>> Hi Kourosh,
>>
>> You might find that there's a purple-plugin-pack package in the repo of
>> whichever distro you're using.  Otherwise, I believe extracting the tar.gz
>> and running ./configure && make && make install is needed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eion
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 10:23, Kourosh P. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Eion for your reply,
>>> How do I "install" irc-helper on a Linux based system? Do I extract the
>>> *tar.gz file and put it somewhere?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Kourosh
>>>
>>> On Sun., Nov. 20, 2022, 14:50 Eion Robb,  wrote:
>>>
 Hi there,

 After playing around with a few options, I've found the best way to
 auth with undernet is to use the irc-helper plugin (in the
 purple-plugin-pack) which enables extra options in the 'Advanced' tab on
 the account.  After setting SASL details and Auth/nick details, it logs in
 and authenticates without needing to do any buddy pounces.  My account
 settings ended up looking like



 Hope that helps!

 Cheers,
 Eion

 On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 at 05:58, Kourosh P. 
 wrote:

> Dear Pidgin support,
> Thank you for an amazing app.
>
> I am a new user with Pidgin. For the life of me I have been trying to
> figure out how to use the undernet.org's X service with the Buddy
> Pounce in
> Pidgin. Following the instructions on "How do I authenticate/identify
> with
> a buddy pounce..." every time I connect to the server, X asks "To use
> LOGIN, you must /msg x...@channels.undernet.org".
>
> How do I incorporate that in the Buddy Pounce settings as the Pidgin
> website indicates not to use "/msg " ? I have even tried to add the
> Buddy name as x...@channels.undernet.org instead of X but no success.
>
> Would appreciate your guidance.
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Kourosh
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Re: "Certificate Expired " notice

[David Woolley]

On 11/11/2022 17:17, Jack Sidebottom wrote:
Connection was lost and "Certificate expired" notice with opportunity to 
review, reject, or accept available. I accepted, but the certificate 
really needs to be renewed/updated.


Thanks for your untiring efforts to keep this venue available!


You seem to be under the misapprehension that the Pidgin community 
operates the venue you are talking about;  it doesn't.


Pidgin is a client that can access many different services, and this is 
a peer support forum, so is going out to users.


You need to work out which service you are using, and who manages it, 
then contact them about refreshing the certificate on their server.


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Re: Helping users of pidgin.im with checking if a site is down or not

[Emma Taub]

Hello again,

I hope you are well. I was wondering if you had the chance to check the
article, I sent you a while back?

https://www.websiteplanet.com/webtools/down-or-not/

I thought it was a nice resource and I think your users could find it
useful if you share it with them.

Best,
Emma


On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 11:23 PM  wrote:

> Hello there,
>
> I have used the website status tool you mentioned on your page here:
> pidgin.im/posts/2021-05-digitalocean-sponsorship/
>
> While uptimerobot.com does a good job, it's not really user-friendly and
> doesn’t work quite fast.
> I did some exploring and found the other tool below. It's ad-free, quite
> straightforward and fast to load and I wanted to suggest you show it
> alongside the other one:
>
> https://www.websiteplanet.com/webtools/down-or-not
>
> This tool allows you to check if your website is down across the globe or
> only on your computer screen, and it’s quite quick and easy to use (and
> it's completely free, too!) : -)
>
> I hope I was able to return the favor,
> Emma
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Re: SSL Certificate

[David Woolley]

On 24/10/2022 16:23, Sarah O. wrote:


We had a pop stating that our SSL Certificate had expired. How do we go
about fixing that?


This will be the certificate on the server, not anything that is under 
pidgin's control.  Pidgin is an, open source, messaging client that can 
work with many types of server, including some public services, so there 
is no simple answer to your question.


Also certificates have to be signed by a trusted third party (e.g. 
Verisign, or LetsEncrypt, or even your own corporate one).  Details of 
the procedure will also depend on which is being used.  (If you are 
FurnaceFilterKing, the trusted third party for your public web site is 
DigiCert Inc.  However, your internal server might be using the old 
branding and might have a different certifier.)




We need to add another account for an employee, how do we do that? Please
Reply all when replying back to this email.


Again, this is something that needs to be done on the server, not on 
pidgin.  Once you have created the account, you can then configure the 
new employee's pidgin to access it.


Also note that there is no formal support organisation for Pidgin.  This 
mailing list is answered by users.


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Re: Email Lists

[Gary Kramlich]

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022, 08:27 Haudy Kazemi  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> A few thoughts:
>
> Is the idea that this will be self-hosted somewhere?
>

Self hosted, our infrastructure is sponsored by DigitalOcean. Apparently I
should be mentioning that here too instead of just in our blog ;-)

>
> Or that it will be small enough to fit on the free service tiers? That is
> 50k monthly content requests like page/message/thread views and 5 GB
> storage.
> https://free.discourse.group
>
> The paid tiers can get pricey:
> https://www.discourse.org/pricing
>
> Discourse does appear to offer email to forum bridging for those who
> prefer to receive and send messages via an email client of their choice.
> Here is one group's info about this topic:
> https://gramps.discourse.group/t/discourse-email-settings/116
>
> As long as the list archives are available somewhere, I don't think it is
> necessary to actually import those archives into a replacement tool or
> forum.
>

The problem is the archives aren't static and need abandoned software to
"stay as the are". I can dump then in a container to limit risk, but that's
still not ideal.

I personally prefer email, at least for lower volume groups like this. It
> seems a forum with a full bidirectional bridge to email would be
> functionally equivalent.
>
> I am not sure user import is necessary. Also, some people may not want to
> be signed up on hosted Discourse or another service with their current
> names/user accounts/email addresses.
>
> An alternative approach is a self-signup period, announced regularly on
> the current list, where everyone is encouraged to signup in the new space
> but not use it for posting except testing.
>
> Then follow up with a cutover date where all posts should go to the new
> system, and old system is made read only (except for sending a few more
> sign up reminder messages).
>
I've been considering something like this, thanks for your input.

> -hk
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 05:00 Gary Kramlich  wrote:
>
>> Greetings Programs!
>>
>> As some of you may be aware, we've been in the process of transitioning
>> our email lists to a new server. Well, managing email in 2022 is tedious
>> and unforgiving so it's taking forever and I always have a ton more on
>> my plate that's easier to do.
>>
>> As such, the idea has come up to migrate to Discource instead. Because
>> of this, I'm trying to see how others feel about this and how we should
>> go about importing things. They are listed below.
>>
>> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
>> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.
>>
>> Please respond as soon as possible as I would really like to start on
>> this migration no later than 2022-10-14.
>>
>> When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please
>> answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>>
>> When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users imported
>> into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>>
>
> It is pretty to not require signing up again.
>
>
>>
>> When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported into
>> the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: Email Lists

[Haudy Kazemi]

Hello,

A few thoughts:

Is the idea that this will be self-hosted somewhere?

Or that it will be small enough to fit on the free service tiers? That is
50k monthly content requests like page/message/thread views and 5 GB
storage.
https://free.discourse.group

The paid tiers can get pricey:
https://www.discourse.org/pricing

Discourse does appear to offer email to forum bridging for those who prefer
to receive and send messages via an email client of their choice. Here is
one group's info about this topic:
https://gramps.discourse.group/t/discourse-email-settings/116

As long as the list archives are available somewhere, I don't think it is
necessary to actually import those archives into a replacement tool or
forum.

I personally prefer email, at least for lower volume groups like this. It
seems a forum with a full bidirectional bridge to email would be
functionally equivalent.

I am not sure user import is necessary. Also, some people may not want to
be signed up on hosted Discourse or another service with their current
names/user accounts/email addresses.

An alternative approach is a self-signup period, announced regularly on the
current list, where everyone is encouraged to signup in the new space but
not use it for posting except testing.

Then follow up with a cutover date where all posts should go to the new
system, and old system is made read only (except for sending a few more
sign up reminder messages).

-hk



On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 05:00 Gary Kramlich  wrote:

> Greetings Programs!
>
> As some of you may be aware, we've been in the process of transitioning
> our email lists to a new server. Well, managing email in 2022 is tedious
> and unforgiving so it's taking forever and I always have a ton more on
> my plate that's easier to do.
>
> As such, the idea has come up to migrate to Discource instead. Because
> of this, I'm trying to see how others feel about this and how we should
> go about importing things. They are listed below.
>
> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.
>
> Please respond as soon as possible as I would really like to start on
> this migration no later than 2022-10-14.
>
> When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please
> answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>
> When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users imported
> into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>

It is pretty to not require signing up again.


>
> When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported into
> the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: purple-googlechat not working

[pidgin]

Speaking of the Google Chat plugin, is there a way to make it show offline buddies as actually 
"offline" rather than "away"?
The older Hangouts plugin used to get it right.

On 2022-10-11 19:04, Eion Robb wrote:

Hi!

When you say "refuses to connect" does anything show up at the bottom of
the buddy list?  Does disconnecting and reconnecting to the account (from
the Accounts->Manage Accounts screen, then tick and untick)?

Cheers,
Eion


On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 11:30,  wrote:


Hi,

I'm not sure how to contact the actual dev of the plugin but since day 1,
I've had issues trying to connect pidgin to the new gchat. Sometimes when I
bring my computer back from sleep mode, pidgin refuses to connect, or
reconnects after hours of no connection all at once. Usually the only
consistent way to reconnect to gchat is to restart my entire laptop, and
even then that hasn't worked the last few days. Any ideas how to go about
troubleshooting?

Thanks!


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Re: purple-googlechat not working

[Eion Robb]

Hi!

When you say "refuses to connect" does anything show up at the bottom of
the buddy list?  Does disconnecting and reconnecting to the account (from
the Accounts->Manage Accounts screen, then tick and untick)?

Cheers,
Eion


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> Hi,
>
> I'm not sure how to contact the actual dev of the plugin but since day 1,
> I've had issues trying to connect pidgin to the new gchat. Sometimes when I
> bring my computer back from sleep mode, pidgin refuses to connect, or
> reconnects after hours of no connection all at once. Usually the only
> consistent way to reconnect to gchat is to restart my entire laptop, and
> even then that hasn't worked the last few days. Any ideas how to go about
> troubleshooting?
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-07 12:11, Brian Morrison wrote:

Moderation? Count me out then!


Why?

If Gary removes a spammer's post from the the forum, how would it affect you?
It's not like he can reach into your mailbox and undeliver the message.


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Re: Email Lists

[Brian Morrison]

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:24:34 -0600
Dave Warren  wrote:

> On 2022-10-06 12:14, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
> > On 2022-10-06 12:39, Brian Morrison wrote:  
> >> Exactly like? So it's a mailing list manager...  
> > 
> > Apparently a hybrid.  I don't know how well they managed to pull
> > that off, but they claim they have.  
> 
> Better than anything else I have seen. Possibly not the best. It
> isn't perfect, especially because of things that happen on the web
> that can't in email (edits and moderation being prime examples).

Moderation? Count me out then!

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Re: Email Lists

[David Woolley]

On 07/10/2022 16:52, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
The current archives are not searchable (or if they are, I could not 
find a way to easily search them), so I don't see a reason to keep them 
as they are.




I generally find Google is better at searching most sites than the 
sites' own search feature.


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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-07 08:37, Gary Kramlich wrote:

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:35 AM Mark Rousell  wrote:


On 06/10/2022 17:12, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:



I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.


Why does it matter?  Currently, the archives are open for the whole
Internet to see.


Agreed. There is no need to change the state of the archives (especially
if they stay where they currently are).


The issue with the current archives is that pipermail is a mailman 2
thing, and mailman 2 has been deprecated for mailman 3 for a while now
and it's not available in distro packager managers anymore. So
something needs to be figured out to turn it into a static site or
something else that's actually maintained.


The current archives are not searchable (or if they are, I could not find a way 
to easily search them), so I don't see a reason to keep them as they are.

My comment only concerned the anonymization.  I feel that anonymizing them any 
further than the current publicly-accessible archives is kind of pointless.

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Re: Email Lists

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On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:35 AM Mark Rousell  wrote:
>
> On 06/10/2022 17:12, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
> >
> >> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
> >> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.
> >
> > Why does it matter?  Currently, the archives are open for the whole
> > Internet to see.
> >
> Agreed. There is no need to change the state of the archives (especially
> if they stay where they currently are).

The issue with the current archives is that pipermail is a mailman 2
thing, and mailman 2 has been deprecated for mailman 3 for a while now
and it's not available in distro packager managers anymore. So
something needs to be figured out to turn it into a static site or
something else that's actually maintained.

> --
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On 06/10/2022 17:12, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
>
>> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
>> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.
>
> Why does it matter?  Currently, the archives are open for the whole
> Internet to see.
>
Agreed. There is no need to change the state of the archives (especially
if they stay where they currently are).


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Re: Email Lists

[Mark Rousell]

As long as I can automatically read all messages and post to the list
entirely and solely by email then I vote yes to the migration.

I am not interested in a web UI other for one-off configuration jobs.

I would hope that users were transparently imported into the new system
with no user interaction required.

As for archives from before the migration, it seems to me that these do
not need to be imported into the new system; they can stay where they are.



On 06/10/2022 10:52, Gary Kramlich wrote:
> Greetings Programs!
>
> As some of you may be aware, we've been in the process of
> transitioning our email lists to a new server. Well, managing email in
> 2022 is tedious and unforgiving so it's taking forever and I always
> have a ton more on my plate that's easier to do.
>
> As such, the idea has come up to migrate to Discource instead. Because
> of this, I'm trying to see how others feel about this and how we
> should go about importing things. They are listed below.
>
> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't
> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.
>
> Please respond as soon as possible as I would really like to start on
> this migration no later than 2022-10-14.
>
> When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please
> answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>
> When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users imported
> into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>
> When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported
> into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
>
> Thanks! 

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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-06 19:24, Dave Warren wrote:

On 2022-10-06 12:14, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

On 2022-10-06 12:39, Brian Morrison wrote:

Exactly like? So it's a mailing list manager...


Apparently a hybrid.  I don't know how well they managed to pull that off, but 
they claim they have.


Better than anything else I have seen. Possibly not the best. It isn't perfect, 
especially because of things that happen on the web that can't in email (edits 
and moderation being prime examples).


Pidgin could use more users, and after Miranda NG gave up on Discord support, 
some people may decide to switch.  Having newbie-friendly support is important, 
and who knows, today's newbie may be tomorrow's contributor.


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[Dave Warren]

On 2022-10-06 12:14, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

On 2022-10-06 12:39, Brian Morrison wrote:

Exactly like? So it's a mailing list manager...


Apparently a hybrid.  I don't know how well they managed to pull that 
off, but they claim they have.


Better than anything else I have seen. Possibly not the best. It isn't 
perfect, especially because of things that happen on the web that can't 
in email (edits and moderation being prime examples).


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On 2022-10-06 12:53, David Woolley wrote:

The problem I'd have with pidgin as anything but pure email format would be 
that it is very low volume.  I don't like web sites being able to intrude, with 
notifications.


I fail to follow.  If anything, a web forum is /less/ intrusive than an email 
list, as you have better control over notifications.


Typically, what I find with support forums, is that the people making one time 
appearances, to ask a question, prefer forums, because they are fashionable, 
but those who stick around and answer tend to prefer mailing lists.  However 
both mailing list and forum camps can have a serious amount of religious 
fervour.


I prefer forums because they make it easier for me to find what I am looking 
for, even when it is questions to answer.


The risk with forums in high volume cases, is that they fragment, because lots 
of people want to own their own forum.


That may be true for purely social ones, but there is little reason for 
technical forums to fragment.


Even if mailing lists fragment, you can use mail filters to put them back 
together, albeit you still run the risk of the same question getting asked on 
all of them, and the complete answer being spread across them.


Pidgin is not that popular so there is little risk of its support forum/list to get 
anywhere close to "high volume".
(Compare to, say, Red Flag Deals https://forums.redflagdeals.com - 1.9M 
threads, 30M posts, 1.3M registered users.  Imagine managing that in a mailing 
list)

I would even say that the fact that Pidgin doesn't have a discussion forum more 
accessible to new users is more than a contributing factor.

Fragmenting is also not a risk, since the people will go where the developers 
are to answer their questions.

If Discourse can provide the mailing list experience to some and a web forum 
experience to others, I see it as the best compromise.

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On 2022-10-06 12:39, Brian Morrison wrote:

Exactly like? So it's a mailing list manager...


Apparently a hybrid.  I don't know how well they managed to pull that off, but 
they claim they have.


I use the email interface to groups.io (I'd prefer not to have to, but
it is what it is) and I find that email to the groups.io group usually
have broken references headers and the threading is broken because of
this. I also see lots of replies to list and to me as well and it
drives me crazy.


Those are valid concerns, and I have asked on the Discourse metaforum.
I will follow up when I get a reply.


Mailing lists have worked for me for way over 35 years so I am
resistant to change.


I've used BBSes (V.22bis dial-up), mailing lists, Usenet, various proprietary 
"groups", and Web Forums of all kinds.  I find Web forums vastly more 
convenient than mailing lists for multiple reasons, but I have no interest to convert 
others, so a solution that can work for both would be best.

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On 2022-10-06 10:53, David Woolley wrote:
Typically, what I find with support forums, is that the people making 
one time appearances, to ask a question, prefer forums, because they are 
fashionable, but those who stick around and answer tend to prefer 
mailing lists.  However both mailing list and forum camps can have a 
serious amount of religious fervour.


I absolutely agree with this.

In fact, this is part of why I like Discourse, I follow as a mailing 
list user to discover what I want to interact with and reply by email 
the majority of the time, so it mostly is just a mailing list, but it 
has the forum-based features for those needing support.


Neither side can do without the other.


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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-06 05:10, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 04:52:14 -0500
Gary Kramlich  wrote:


When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please
answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


No. It seems to be a forum, much prefer mailing lists, forums always
treat email as a second-class (or worse) add-on.


Discourse is one of the best if not the best of the web-based forums in 
terms of supporting mailing-list mode. I participate in a couple where I 
operate primarily or exclusively by email.


But, it needs the email feature to actually be enabled and a lot of 
Discouse installations don't bother, in which case you can read via 
email but need to pop into the web interface to post.


While I actively prefer mailing lists, the reality is what it is: Forums 
work better for new users, and for one-off question askers.


As someone who enjoys supporting and helping others, the forum has 
another perk: Users can actually search and find related topics to have 
a chance at solving their own issue. Discourse offers up suggestions for 
related posts automatically.



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Re: Email Lists

[David Woolley]

On 06/10/2022 17:39, Brian Morrison wrote:

Exactly like? So it's a mailing list manager...



I've used it in a high volume context, where I make several posts a day, 
and it seems to me that many of the features only make sense as a web 
forum.  I haven't looked at email, except for its notifications of 
tagged messages, and replies to my postings.


The problem I'd have with pidgin as anything but pure email format would 
be that it is very low volume.  I don't like web sites being able to 
intrude, with notifications.


Typically, what I find with support forums, is that the people making 
one time appearances, to ask a question, prefer forums, because they are 
fashionable, but those who stick around and answer tend to prefer 
mailing lists.  However both mailing list and forum camps can have a 
serious amount of religious fervour.


The risk with forums in high volume cases, is that they fragment, 
because lots of people want to own their own forum.  Historically, at 
least, the reason for actually providing forum infrastructure was 
targetting, although the Discourse ones I'm on are only used to 
advertise the company owning the official version of the OS software.


Even if mailing lists fragment, you can use mail filters to put them 
back together, albeit you still run the risk of the same question 
getting asked on all of them, and the complete answer being spread 
across them.


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Re: Email Lists

[Brian Morrison]

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:31:40 -0400
pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

> > I'm also against any type of forum and prefer stay with the list.  
> 
> I understand your reluctance to use a web interface, but Discourse
> can be configured to behave exactly like a mailing list for the
> people that prefer that mode of communication.

Exactly like? So it's a mailing list manager...

> 
> If you can continue using it that way, communicating via email
> without having to deal with a web interface, would it bother you that
> other people can have different options?

I use the email interface to groups.io (I'd prefer not to have to, but
it is what it is) and I find that email to the groups.io group usually
have broken references headers and the threading is broken because of
this. I also see lots of replies to list and to me as well and it
drives me crazy.

I don't think I have any experience of Discourse.

Mailing lists have worked for me for way over 35 years so I am
resistant to change.

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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-06 07:40, Matthias Apitz wrote:

El día Donnerstag, Oktober 06, 2022 a las 12:33:30 +0100, Brian Morrison 
escribió:


On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 14:28:27 +0300
Konstantin Kharlamov  wrote:


On Thu, 2022-10-06 at 12:10 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 04:52:14 -0500
Gary Kramlich  wrote:
   

When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it?
(Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


No. It seems to be a forum, much prefer mailing lists, forums always
treat email as a second-class (or worse) add-on.


I don't see a problem as long as a forum allows to emulate a mailing
list. If Discourse allows one to subscribe "to everything" and reply
to posts with email, then you get pretty much a mailing list in your
email client.

I don't know if Discourse allows that, but if somebody confirms, then
there should be no problem.


I can confirm. See my other email to this list for details.

Discourse bills itself as a mailing lit alternative, and as such offers a 
smooth and gradual transition, allowing people that prefer the mailing list 
experience to keep it.


We were asked to vote, I vote against anything that looks like a forum
and has a web interface. YMMV.


I'm also against any type of forum and prefer stay with the list.


I understand your reluctance to use a web interface, but Discourse can be 
configured to behave exactly like a mailing list for the people that prefer 
that mode of communication.

If you can continue using it that way, communicating via email without having 
to deal with a web interface, would it bother you that other people can have 
different options?

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Re: Email Lists

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On 2022-10-06 05:52, Gary Kramlich wrote:

Greetings Programs!

As some of you may be aware, we've been in the process of transitioning our 
email lists to a new server. Well, managing email in 2022 is tedious and 
unforgiving so it's taking forever and I always have a ton more on my plate 
that's easier to do.

As such, the idea has come up to migrate to Discource instead. Because of this, 
I'm trying to see how others feel about this and how we should go about 
importing things. They are listed below.

I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't found 
anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.


Why does it matter?  Currently, the archives are open for the whole Internet to 
see.


Please respond as soon as possible as I would really like to start on this 
migration no later than 2022-10-14.

When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please answer 
yes/no/doesn't matter)


I have always been in favour of forums over mailing lists due to the added 
flexibility and control that they offer, so this is a resounding YES from me.

I am not familiar with Discourse in particular, but I checked their web site, 
and they say that the platform integrates with email:

| Reply via email
|
| When you aren’t active on the website, your notifications will be 
automatically sent to you via email. Reply via email from anywhere, on any 
device.

So the people that prefer to use email can continue with their current workflow.

*Edit before sending*

I dug a bit deeper and this is what their FAQ says:

| Discourse can be used as a mailing list
|
| With properly configured incoming mail, Discourse can be used just like a 
mailing list. If you’ll be interacting with Discourse exclusively by email, 
consider enabling Mailing list mode in your personal preferences, provided it’s 
enabled on your forum.

I registered an account on a Discourse board to check, and indeed there is this 
setting:

| Mailing list mode
| [_] Enable mailing list mode
| This setting overrides the activity summary.
| Muted topics and categories are not included in these emails.

And most interestingly, if the server is configured to allow it, you don't even 
have to set up an account!

| Enable “Accept emails from anonymous users with no accounts” if you want 
staged users to be created when an incoming email address does not exists yet.


When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users imported into the 
new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


It does not matter to me.  Registering an account with the same email takes 2 
minutes.

That said, if makes it transparent and zero-effort for the people that prefer 
to continue using email, then I am all for it.


When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported into the 
new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


It does not matter to me.  If it makes the archives searchable and minimizes 
the number of times that the same questions need to be answered over and over 
again, then I am for it.  If it makes the migration more complicated, then it 
can be dropped.


Thank you,
Alex.

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Re: Email Lists

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On 10/6/22 05:52, Gary Kramlich wrote:

Greetings Programs!

As some of you may be aware, we've been in the process of 
transitioning our email lists to a new server. Well, managing email in 
2022 is tedious and unforgiving so it's taking forever and I always 
have a ton more on my plate that's easier to do.


As such, the idea has come up to migrate to Discource instead. Because 
of this, I'm trying to see how others feel about this and how we 
should go about importing things. They are listed below.


I am always against forums.  Exception when it is for a vendor's product 
and they have lots of separate forum based on user issues.


But forum means there is somewhere else I need to look to participate, 
or if it is low volume as here, to note that there is something I need 
to think about.


Also many forum software eat up processor resources and I watch my 
Firefox grow in memory consumption to the point I have to kill it and 
restart to get rid of all sorts of cruft.  Thunderbird by itself is bad 
enough.  ;)


So if you switch to forum, it is goodby.  Actually my mine use of, for 
IETF Jabber access, has gone away, so there is a real question if I 
really need pidgin at all now...


My opinion for what it is worth.





I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't 
found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.


Please respond as soon as possible as I would really like to start on 
this migration no later than 2022-10-14.


When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please 
answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users imported 
into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported 
into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)


Thanks!

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Re: Email Lists

[Matthias Apitz]

El día Donnerstag, Oktober 06, 2022 a las 12:33:30 +0100, Brian Morrison 
escribió:

> On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 14:28:27 +0300
> Konstantin Kharlamov  wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2022-10-06 at 12:10 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:
> > > On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 04:52:14 -0500
> > > Gary Kramlich  wrote:
> > >   
> > > > When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it?
> > > > (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)  
> > > 
> > > No. It seems to be a forum, much prefer mailing lists, forums always
> > > treat email as a second-class (or worse) add-on.  
> > 
> > I don't see a problem as long as a forum allows to emulate a mailing
> > list. If Discourse allows one to subscribe "to everything" and reply
> > to posts with email, then you get pretty much a mailing list in your
> > email client.
> > 
> > I don't know if Discourse allows that, but if somebody confirms, then
> > there should be no problem.
> > 
> 
> We were asked to vote, I vote against anything that looks like a forum
> and has a web interface. YMMV.

I'm also against any type of forum and prefer stay with the list.

matthias

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On Thu, 2022-10-06 at 04:52 -0500, Gary Kramlich wrote:
> Greetings Programs!
> 
> As some of you may be aware, we've been in the process of transitioning 
> our email lists to a new server. Well, managing email in 2022 is tedious 
> and unforgiving so it's taking forever and I always have a ton more on 
> my plate that's easier to do.
> 
> As such, the idea has come up to migrate to Discource instead. Because 
> of this, I'm trying to see how others feel about this and how we should 
> go about importing things. They are listed below.
> 
> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't 
> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet.
> 
> Please respond as soon as possible as I would really like to start on 
> this migration no later than 2022-10-14.
> 
> When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please 
> answer yes/no/doesn't matter)

Yes.

As someone who often has to subscribe to various mailing lists, I can say they
are very annoying. And the reason is that, often times you want to track only a
single topic and nothing else. But you can't: you either get everything or
nothing at all. You either subscribed, or you are not, and just hope that you
email will pass spam-filters and that people who reply to you wouldn't forget to
add you to CC. It is an unwieldy system.

As a disclaimer though, I probably won't subscribe to Discourse myslelf, Idk if
that matters. I still only subscribed here just because it's a very low-activity
list, so I didn't even have to create filters for it, etc. But at the moment I
don't develop a Pidgin addon (I did at the past, but not anymore), so my
presence here is not justified. So, here's that, just FTR.

> When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users imported 
> into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)

Yes.

If it's possible, then sounds fun, why not. It would mean people won't even
notice that migration happened, sure.

> When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported into 
> the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)

Yes.

It's good for indexing by search engines, as a bunch of useful information would
appear on the new Discorse system.

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Re: Email Lists

[Brian Morrison]

On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 14:28:27 +0300
Konstantin Kharlamov  wrote:

> On Thu, 2022-10-06 at 12:10 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:
> > On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 04:52:14 -0500
> > Gary Kramlich  wrote:
> >   
> > > When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it?
> > > (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)  
> > 
> > No. It seems to be a forum, much prefer mailing lists, forums always
> > treat email as a second-class (or worse) add-on.  
> 
> I don't see a problem as long as a forum allows to emulate a mailing
> list. If Discourse allows one to subscribe "to everything" and reply
> to posts with email, then you get pretty much a mailing list in your
> email client.
> 
> I don't know if Discourse allows that, but if somebody confirms, then
> there should be no problem.
> 

We were asked to vote, I vote against anything that looks like a forum
and has a web interface. YMMV.

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Re: Email Lists

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Thu, 2022-10-06 at 12:10 +0100, Brian Morrison wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 04:52:14 -0500
> Gary Kramlich  wrote:
> 
> > When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please 
> > answer yes/no/doesn't matter)
> 
> No. It seems to be a forum, much prefer mailing lists, forums always
> treat email as a second-class (or worse) add-on.

I don't see a problem as long as a forum allows to emulate a mailing list. If
Discourse allows one to subscribe "to everything" and reply to posts with email,
then you get pretty much a mailing list in your email client.

I don't know if Discourse allows that, but if somebody confirms, then there
should be no problem.

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Re: Email Lists

[Brian Morrison]

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 04:52:14 -0500
Gary Kramlich  wrote:

> When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please 
> answer yes/no/doesn't matter)

No. It seems to be a forum, much prefer mailing lists, forums always
treat email as a second-class (or worse) add-on.

> 
> When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users
> imported into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)

Doesn't matter, see above.

> 
> When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported
> into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter)

No, please leave the existing archive where it is.

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Re: pidginchat.com: Not Authorized

[Markus Fischer]

Hello Chris,

the login server has been updated which apparently caused problems. Grim 
found a workaround yesterday. So can you check if you still have those 
problems?


Cheers
Markus

P.S. sorry for the private answer before

Am 23.09.22 um 20:55 schrieb Christopher Chen:

Hi,

It started early am today.  Both my buddy and I were not able to 
connect to pidginchat.com.  After failed connect, it said:


   ccch...@pidginchat.com/ disabled
   Not Authorized

The status.pidgin.im said everything is fine.  Would you take a look?

Thanks!

Chris

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Re: Facebook Plugin

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

On Thu, 2022-09-08 at 20:47 -0500, Terry A. Haimann wrote:
> I would like to add access to Facebook Messengerr to Pidgin.  Where do
> I d/l the plugin for Debian based systems?

I don't see offhand a deb package anywhere, but I presume you could build this
https://github.com/dequis/purple-facebook and put the .so file to
`~/.purple/plugins/` dir. This shouldn't be too hard: just install the dev
packages, and do a `./autogen.sh && ./configure && make -j$(nproc)`

As a side note, it seems the plugin will be included to the next major Pidgin
version. I wonder when it's going to be released…

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Re: Failing Connection

[Eion Robb]

Hi again,

The error is saying that there's some kind of problem with the
server-side.  You might want to get in contact of the admins of the XMPP
server you're trying to connect to, to try to resolve

Cheers,
Eion

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 19:47,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> there’s a message saying „Der BOSH-Verbindungsverwaltung hat Ihre Sitzung
> beendet.“ We are using the messenger in german, so I hope this error
> message is helpful. Before this message is visible the messenger is taking
> a long time of trying to connect.
>
>
>
> Thanks for responding quickly!
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Freundliche Grüße
>
>
>
> Eike Carstens
>
>
>
> Freie Ingenieure
>
> Langer Schwerdtfeger
>
> Partnerschaft Beratender Ingenieure mbB
>
>
>
> 040 / 181 00 140 - 8 / Zentrale - 0
>
>
>
> www.freie-ingenieure-hamburg.de
>
>
>
> Koppel 34-36
>
> 20099 Hamburg
>
>
>
> *Von:* Eion Robb 
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 30. August 2022 09:43
> *An:* e...@freie-ingenieure-hamburg.de
> *Cc:* support@pidgin.im
> *Betreff:* Re: Failing Connection
>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
>
>
> What error message are you seeing at the bottom of the Buddy List, when
> you try to connect to the account?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Eion
>
>
>
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 19:11,  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> since today we are having trouble with the Pidgin-IM.
>
> The Messenger is not able to connect. We are using the Messenger from
> different Locations, so I’m pretty sure it is not a problem with our
> network.
>
> Have You already heard of users having the same Problem today?
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Freundliche Grüße
>
>
>
> Eike Carstens
>
>
>
> Freie Ingenieure
>
> Langer Schwerdtfeger
>
> Partnerschaft Beratender Ingenieure mbB
>
>
>
> 040 / 181 00 140 - 8 / Zentrale - 0
>
>
>
>  <http://www.freie-ingenieure-hamburg.de/> www.freie-ingenieure-hamburg.de
>
>
>
> Koppel 34-36
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Re: Failing Connection

[Eion Robb]

Hi there,

What error message are you seeing at the bottom of the Buddy List, when you
try to connect to the account?

Cheers,
Eion

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 19:11,  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> since today we are having trouble with the Pidgin-IM.
>
> The Messenger is not able to connect. We are using the Messenger from
> different Locations, so I’m pretty sure it is not a problem with our
> network.
>
> Have You already heard of users having the same Problem today?
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Freundliche Grüße
>
>
>
> Eike Carstens
>
>
>
> Freie Ingenieure
>
> Langer Schwerdtfeger
>
> Partnerschaft Beratender Ingenieure mbB
>
>
>
> 040 / 181 00 140 - 8 / Zentrale - 0
>
>
>
>   www.freie-ingenieure-hamburg.de
>
>
>
> Koppel 34-36
>
> 20099 Hamburg
>
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Re: How to log out and create new Pidgin account

[Eion Robb]

Hi there,

You can add multiple accounts for pidgin to use at the same time through
the Accounts->Manage Accounts screen. Then click the Add button to add the
new account. This also lets you merge buddies from two different accounts
in your buddy list. Eg you might have a buddy on both Facebook and Discord,
if you merge them together then the conversation history will also be merged

If you're still getting notifications that you aren't expecting to see, it
might be because you're closing pidgin instead of quitting it. The easiest
way to do so is to right click on the Pidgin system tray icon (you might
have to expand the system tray as windows likes to collapse it by default)
and choose Quit. There's also a Quit option from the Buddies menu from the
buddy list, but you'd need the system tray to open the buddy list

Cheers,
Eion

On Sat, 20 Aug 2022, 10:36 Tabo Bat,  wrote:

> Hello. I have Pidgin on Windows 10 and I need to create a new account for a
> separate purpose than my first one.
>
> When I open Pidgin and click on Join a Chat, it only shows my original
> username. How can I create the option to be able to use multiple accounts?
>
> Also, after I close Pidgin, it often keeps reopening to show me a
> notification. How do I turn off this function?
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Re: How do Pidgin resolve incoming messages?

[Gary Kramlich]

With logging turned off, messages will only reach your hard drive if
they managed to get swapped from memory to disk.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 10:35 AM yhujeehlok  wrote:
>
> Hello I use XMPP and have logs disabled.
>
> I want to be sure incoming messages leave no trace on my hard drive. Are 
> incoming messages temporary saved on my disk and can be recovered with 
> forensic tools or are they stored in the RAM until the chat window is closed? 
> How does this work.
>
> I use OTR and sometimes OMEMO. The messages decrypt on my device and leave 
> traces on my disk even with logs disabled?
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Re: Unable to connect

[Eion Robb]

Hi Jack,

It looks like the lightwitch.org server was down for a little while there.
Looks to be back up again now.

Cheers,
Eion

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 15:18, Jack Sidebottom  wrote:

> DEBUG:
>
> (22:15:39) *util:* Writing file prefs.xml to directory
> C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\.purple
> (22:15:39) *util:* Writing file
> C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\.purple\prefs.xml
> (22:15:50) *autorecon:* do_signon called
> (22:15:50) *autorecon:* calling purple_account_connect
> (22:15:50) *account:* Connecting to account eiskr...@lightwitch.org/home.
> (22:15:50) *connection:* Connecting. gc = 084FD8C0
> (22:15:50) *dnssrv:* querying SRV record for lightwitch.org:
> _xmpp-client._tcp.lightwitch.org
> (22:15:50) *autorecon:* done calling purple_account_connect
> (22:15:50) *dnssrv:* found 1 SRV entries
> (22:15:50) *dnsquery:* Performing DNS lookup for meaveen.lightwitch.org
> (22:15:50) *dnsquery:* IP resolved for meaveen.lightwitch.org
> (22:15:50) *proxy:* Attempting connection to 172.104.16.89
> (22:15:50) *proxy:* Connecting to meaveen.lightwitch.org:5222 with no
> proxy
> (22:15:50) *proxy:* Connection in progress
> (22:16:11) *proxy:* Connecting to meaveen.lightwitch.org:5222.
> (22:16:11) *proxy:* Error connecting to meaveen.lightwitch.org:5222
> (Connection timed out.).
> (22:16:11) *proxy:* Connection attempt failed: Connection timed out.
> (22:16:11) *jabber:* Unable to connect to server: Connection timed out..
> Trying next SRV record or connecting directly.
> (22:16:11) *dnsquery:* Performing DNS lookup for lightwitch.org
> (22:16:11) *dnsquery:* IP resolved for lightwitch.org
> (22:16:11) *proxy:* Attempting connection to 93.49.206.14
> (22:16:11) *proxy:* Connecting to lightwitch.org:5222 with no proxy
> (22:16:11) *proxy:* Connection in progress
> (22:16:32) *proxy:* Connecting to lightwitch.org:5222.
> (22:16:32) *proxy:* Error connecting to lightwitch.org:5222 (Connection
> timed out.).
> (22:16:32) *proxy:* Connection attempt failed: Connection timed out.
> (22:16:32) *connection:* Connection error on 084FD8C0 (reason: 0
> description: Unable to connect)
> (22:16:32) *account:* Disconnecting account eiskr...@lightwitch.org/home
> (028D67D0)
> (22:16:32) *connection:* Disconnecting connection 084FD8C0
> (22:16:32) *connection:* Destroying connection 084FD8C0
> (22:16:38) *util:* Writing file accounts.xml to directory
> C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\.purple
> (22:16:38) *util:* Writing file
> C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\.purple\accounts.xml
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Re: Account recovery

[Eion Robb]

Hi Ruby,

We can only help out with Pidgin and questions relating to its use.  We
don't have any control of any servers so can't do any password resets for
you, sorry.

Cheers,
Eion

On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 07:21, Ruby Max  wrote:

> Hello I‘be trying to log into my Vclub acc and it’s saying password is
> wrong so they told me to reach out to you guys
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Re: Bug JABBIM CONNEXION

[Eion Robb]

Hi there,

The "Domain"/"Domaine" field should just be the hostname, eg "jabbim.pl"

Cheers,
Eion


On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 06:19, Poupart Tiffany 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I try to connect to Pidgin in XMP I had no problem before and I no longer
> know how to connect even though my account is good.
>
> I created a new account but it does not work either although it is new, can
> you help me?
>
> when validating it tells me invalid identifier even though it's a new
> account
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Re: Pidgin stuck at "connecting" after while Windows 11

[Gary Kramlich]

What protocols are you all seeing this on? I've only done minimal
testing on windows 11 but i haven't seen this yet.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 7:49 AM Tomáš Růžička  wrote:
>
> Hi Eion,
> it seems that "pidgin.exe -f" fix the problem! Thank you. Can this be
> reported as bug to be fixed?
>
> Cheers,
> Tomas
>
> Dne 14.06.2022 v 10:14 Eion Robb napsal(a):
> > Hi Tomas,
> >
> > I've had similar struggles with Win11 - probably an updated API for
> > network availability in there somewhere.  As a workaround, I've edited
> > my Pidgin shortcut to run  "pidgin.exe -f" which makes Pidgin ignore
> > the online/offline status that Windows is reporting.
> >
> > Hope that helps you as much as it's helped me!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Eion
> >
> > On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 02:28, Tomáš Růžička  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > we are using Pidgin for long time but it seems that after upgrade
> > to W11
> > some computers have problem with connecting to ejabberd XMPP server.
> > Pidgin starts automatically with windows login but after some time
> > (minutes, hours it depends) it stuck in state "connecting" and it
> > never
> > finish. Once you switch to "offline" and "online" it is again
> > working.
> > Problem seems to show once you upgrade from W10 to W11 on some PC.
> > What
> > helped was to switch from onboard lan to USB lan. So the problem
> > could
> > be related to some eco/sleeping feature? What can we try to find
> > out the
> > problem? This also occurst on latest version 2.14.10.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Tomas
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Re: Pidgin stuck at "connecting" after while Windows 11

[Tomáš Růžička]

Hi Eion,
it seems that "pidgin.exe -f" fix the problem! Thank you. Can this be 
reported as bug to be fixed?


Cheers,
Tomas

Dne 14.06.2022 v 10:14 Eion Robb napsal(a):

Hi Tomas,

I've had similar struggles with Win11 - probably an updated API for 
network availability in there somewhere.  As a workaround, I've edited 
my Pidgin shortcut to run  "pidgin.exe -f" which makes Pidgin ignore 
the online/offline status that Windows is reporting.


Hope that helps you as much as it's helped me!

Cheers,
Eion

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 02:28, Tomáš Růžička  wrote:

Hi,
we are using Pidgin for long time but it seems that after upgrade
to W11
some computers have problem with connecting to ejabberd XMPP server.
Pidgin starts automatically with windows login but after some time
(minutes, hours it depends) it stuck in state "connecting" and it
never
finish. Once you switch to "offline" and "online" it is again
working.
Problem seems to show once you upgrade from W10 to W11 on some PC.
What
helped was to switch from onboard lan to USB lan. So the problem
could
be related to some eco/sleeping feature? What can we try to find
out the
problem? This also occurst on latest version 2.14.10.

Thank you

Tomas

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Re: How to cite Pidgin?

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Hello,

If you mean the Pidgin website then I would have thought you could cite
it in the same away as any other website. I presume that your
educational establishment has a formal citation standard which should
cover web citations.

If you mean a message you have received via Pidgin then personally I'd
cite this in the same way as one would cite a private letter or personal
phone call.


On 20/06/2022 17:36, Joãoa Lourenço Affonso wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm writing my thesis and I wanted to know how to cite the pidgin site as a
> source? Who do I credit it to? Do you have a model?
>
> Thanks in advance, João Pedro
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Re: FYI Using GoogleTalk after the "shutdown"

[pidgin]

On 2022-06-18 16:55, P Holder wrote:

So I don't know exactly what Google is up to with the GoogleTalk turn
down.  I doubt even they know what they're doing.

I just wanted to share what worked for me.  I found a couple of weeks
ago that my link failed.  I was expecting that, but I decided to see
if there was any work-around that worked for me.  I enabled 2FA on my
account, and then generated an App Password and used that with Pidgin.
To my somewhat amazement, it worked, and has continued to work now for
2 weeks.


It may work for some time with workarounds, but I don't think the plugin will 
be maintained.  The dev effort will likely go into the new GoogleChat plugin.

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Re: Hello, Georgios G.

[Eion Robb]

Hi again,

You might want to have a read of
https://pidgin.im/posts/2022-05-google-talk-shutdown/

Cheers,
Eion

On Fri, 17 Jun 2022, 01:04 Georgios!,  wrote:

> Hi Eion,
>
> As you see I try 1 week, but what can I do?
>
> Best regards.
> On 16/06/2022 13:41, Eion Robb wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> Based on the timing of your email, are you talking about the recent
> closure of the Google GTalk servers?  If so, you'll want to move over to
> the googlechat plugin.
>
> Otherwise, if not, are you able to share what service/server you're trying
> to connect to that's failing - or maybe what the error message youre
> getting in Pidgin?
>
> Cheers,
> Eion
>
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 at 19:38, Georgios!  wrote:
>
>> Hello, Georgios G.
>>
>> version 2.14.10
>> about 7-8 years I have 2 account in Windows 8 and for 6 months 10, but
>> for 4-5 days I cannot connect for the same password.
>>
>> What happen? If you want, I wait for your answer.
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
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Re: Hello, Georgios G.

[Eion Robb]

Hi there,

Based on the timing of your email, are you talking about the recent closure
of the Google GTalk servers?  If so, you'll want to move over to the
googlechat plugin.

Otherwise, if not, are you able to share what service/server you're trying
to connect to that's failing - or maybe what the error message youre
getting in Pidgin?

Cheers,
Eion

On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 at 19:38, Georgios!  wrote:

> Hello, Georgios G.
>
> version 2.14.10
> about 7-8 years I have 2 account in Windows 8 and for 6 months 10, but
> for 4-5 days I cannot connect for the same password.
>
> What happen? If you want, I wait for your answer.
>
> Best regards.
>
>
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Re: Pidgin stuck at "connecting" after while Windows 11

[Eion Robb]

Hi Tomas,

I've had similar struggles with Win11 - probably an updated API for network
availability in there somewhere.  As a workaround, I've edited my Pidgin
shortcut to run  "pidgin.exe -f" which makes Pidgin ignore the
online/offline status that Windows is reporting.

Hope that helps you as much as it's helped me!

Cheers,
Eion

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 02:28, Tomáš Růžička  wrote:

> Hi,
> we are using Pidgin for long time but it seems that after upgrade to W11
> some computers have problem with connecting to ejabberd XMPP server.
> Pidgin starts automatically with windows login but after some time
> (minutes, hours it depends) it stuck in state "connecting" and it never
> finish. Once you switch to "offline" and "online" it is again working.
> Problem seems to show once you upgrade from W10 to W11 on some PC. What
> helped was to switch from onboard lan to USB lan. So the problem could
> be related to some eco/sleeping feature? What can we try to find out the
> problem? This also occurst on latest version 2.14.10.
>
> Thank you
>
> Tomas
>
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Re: Google Chat

[pidgin]

On 2022-06-10 15:32, Dan Small wrote:

I am minimally computer literate and need to figure out how to get and install 
the plugin that will allow Google Chat to work with Pidgin.

I have used Pidgin for years to communicate with my disabled wife first through 
Google Talk and more recently Hangouts. I really need to try to make this work 
rather then reinvent the wheel.


There are instructions on https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat#windows

But to make it easier on you:

Close Pidgin
Copy https://eion.robbmob.com/libgooglechat.dll into 
%ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\plugins\
Copy 
https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/libprotobuf-c-1.dll 
into %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\
Copy 
https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/libjson-glib-1.0.dll 
into %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\
Copy https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/googlechat16.png 
to %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pixmaps\pidgin\protocols\16\googlechat.png
Copy https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/googlechat22.png 
to %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pixmaps\pidgin\protocols\22\googlechat.png
Copy https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat/raw/master/googlechat48.png 
to %ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pixmaps\pidgin\protocols\48\googlechat.png
Open Pidgin
Browse to 
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=PZMBF2QVF69GA
 and send Eion $1 (optional step)

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Re: Pidgin and Google Talk Broken

[pidgin]

The link I posted is a Pidgin plugin.

On 2022-06-08 22:59, Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 wrote:

Thanks for the response.

My understanding is that Chrome must be open and Chat does not function as a 
real standalone app but I may have to try it. I use Outlook and although I have 
Gmail, I get my Gmail through Outlook but now Google has broken that as well 
because they no longer support POP.

So I wanted something more independent of Google.

Rupert



-Original Message-
From: pid...@alexoren.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2022 7:54 PM
To: Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 ; support@pidgin.im
Subject: Re: Pidgin and Google Talk Broken

On 2022-06-08 16:17, Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 wrote:

Hi,

I have used Pidgin and Google Talk for years. Google has now broken
this and eliminate Talk

What is the best/easiest way to replace it. I don't want to have to
login to my Google account to use IM. I want a standalone app that
uses Pidgin which has worked well for years.


Does Google Chat fit the bill?

https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat



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RE: Pidgin and Google Talk Broken

[Rupert Dance - Comcast-2]

Thanks for the response. 

My understanding is that Chrome must be open and Chat does not function as a 
real standalone app but I may have to try it. I use Outlook and although I have 
Gmail, I get my Gmail through Outlook but now Google has broken that as well 
because they no longer support POP. 

So I wanted something more independent of Google. 

Rupert



-Original Message-
From: pid...@alexoren.com  
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2022 7:54 PM
To: Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 ; support@pidgin.im
Subject: Re: Pidgin and Google Talk Broken

On 2022-06-08 16:17, Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have used Pidgin and Google Talk for years. Google has now broken 
> this and eliminate Talk
> 
> What is the best/easiest way to replace it. I don't want to have to 
> login to my Google account to use IM. I want a standalone app that 
> uses Pidgin which has worked well for years.

Does Google Chat fit the bill?

https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat

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Re: Pidgin and Google Talk Broken

[pidgin]

On 2022-06-08 16:17, Rupert Dance - Comcast-2 wrote:

Hi,

I have used Pidgin and Google Talk for years. Google has now broken this and
eliminate Talk

What is the best/easiest way to replace it. I don't want to have to login to
my Google account to use IM. I want a standalone app that uses Pidgin which
has worked well for years.


Does Google Chat fit the bill?

https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat

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Re: Problem building pidgin (talkatu)

[Gary Kramlich]

What branch are you on? Bitbucket removed mercurial support multiple years
ago.. Or more specifically, where did you clone pidgin from? The canonical
repository is at https://keep.imfreedom.org/pidgin/pidgin/ and the default
branch is up to date and pointing to the proper talkatu repository at
https://keep.imfreedom.org/talkatu/talkatu.

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 1:46 PM Konstantin Kharlamov 
wrote:

> Regarding the error: it is trying to fetch talkatu repo, but the repo was
> deleted, which is why you're getting a 404. This really should be reported
> to
> the developers. It is trivial to fix: just replace (I presume in
> meson.build,
> but am not sure, you might want to grep for the string over the sources)
> the
>
> https://bitbucket.com/pidgin/talkatu
>
> with
>
> https://keep.imfreedom.org/talkatu/talkatu/
>
> that's the new URL of the repo.
>
> With that said: I am not sure you're really doing the correct thing. You
> see,
> you're trying to build a 3.0 version of Pidgin, that's the development
> version,
> which AFAIK has major changes to plugin API. Latest stable Pidgin release
> is
> 2.14.8.
>
> Is there any particular reason you're trying to build Pidgin from sources?
> It is
> usually in repositories of all distros, so there should be no reason in
> doing
> that other than wanting to do the Pidgin development (not even a plugin
> development, that one doesn't require building Pidgin from sources).
>
> On Sun, 2022-04-03 at 14:19 -0400, Ralph Hyre (edu edition) wrote:
> > I've not seen 400 errors before, but it seems that the attempt to build
> > talkatu - as part of a pidgin source build, is causing one.
> >
> > ralphw7@asimov:~/src/pidgin/Pidgin-master$ meson build
> > The Meson build system
> > Version: 0.53.2
> > Source dir: /home/ralphw7/src/pidgin/Pidgin-master
> > Build dir: /home/ralphw7/src/pidgin/Pidgin-master/build
> > Build type: native build
> > Project name: pidgin
> > Project version: 3.0.0-devel
> > C compiler for the host machine: cc (gcc 9.4.0 "cc (Ubuntu
> > 9.4.0-1ubuntu1~20.04.1) 9.4.0")
> > C linker for the host machine: cc ld.bfd 2.34
> > Host machine cpu family: x86_64
> > Host machine cpu: x86_64
> > Program sed found: YES (/usr/bin/sed)
> > Program mkmesonconf.py found: YES
> > (/home/ralphw7/src/pidgin/Pidgin-master/mkmesonconf.py)
> > Has header "sys/wait.h" : YES
> > Has header "fcntl.h" : YES
> > Has header "unistd.h" : YES
> > Has header "stdint.h" : YES
> > Checking for size of "time_t" : 8
> > Checking for function "inet_aton" : YES
> > Checking for function "gethostent" : YES
> > Checking for function "socket" : YES
> > Checking for function "getaddrinfo" : YES
> > Checking for function "inet_ntop" : YES
> > Checking for function "getifaddrs" : YES
> > Header  has symbol "socklen_t" : YES
> > Checking whether type "struct sockaddr" has member "sa_len" : NO
> > Header  has symbol "IPV6_V6ONLY" : YES
> > Library m found: YES
> > Found pkg-config: /usr/bin/pkg-config (0.29.1)
> > Run-time dependency glib-2.0 found: YES 2.64.6
> > Run-time dependency gio-2.0 found: YES 2.64.6
> > Run-time dependency gobject-2.0 found: YES 2.64.6
> > Run-time dependency gthread-2.0 found: YES 2.64.6
> > Found CMake: /usr/bin/cmake (3.16.3)
> > Run-time dependency gobject-introspection-1.0 found: NO (tried pkgconfig
> > and cmake)
> > Run-time dependency gtk+-3.0 found: YES 3.24.20
> > Run-time dependency talkatu found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake)
> > abort: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mesonbuild/mesonmain.py", line
> 129,
> > in run
> > return options.run_func(options)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mesonbuild/msetup.py", line 245,
> in
> > run
> > app.generate()
> >   ... more python stack trace
> >   File "/usr/lib/python3.8/subprocess.py", line 364, in check_call
> > raise CalledProcessError(retcode, cmd)
> > subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['/usr/bin/hg', 'clone', '
> > https://bitbucket.com/pidgin/talkatu', 'talkatu']' returned non-zero
> exit
> > status 255.
> >
> > What's the run-time dependency trying to be resolved here?
> >
> > All I had to do so far, was install gtk3 and the meson build environment.
> >
> > I'm on ubuntu 20.04:lsb_release -a
> > No LSB modules are available.
> > Distributor ID: Ubuntu
> > Description: Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS
> > Release: 20.04
> > Codename: focal
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Re: Problem building pidgin (talkatu)

[Konstantin Kharlamov]

Regarding the error: it is trying to fetch talkatu repo, but the repo was
deleted, which is why you're getting a 404. This really should be reported to
the developers. It is trivial to fix: just replace (I presume in meson.build,
but am not sure, you might want to grep for the string over the sources) the 

https://bitbucket.com/pidgin/talkatu

with

https://keep.imfreedom.org/talkatu/talkatu/

that's the new URL of the repo.

With that said: I am not sure you're really doing the correct thing. You see,
you're trying to build a 3.0 version of Pidgin, that's the development version,
which AFAIK has major changes to plugin API. Latest stable Pidgin release is
2.14.8.

Is there any particular reason you're trying to build Pidgin from sources? It is
usually in repositories of all distros, so there should be no reason in doing
that other than wanting to do the Pidgin development (not even a plugin
development, that one doesn't require building Pidgin from sources).

On Sun, 2022-04-03 at 14:19 -0400, Ralph Hyre (edu edition) wrote:
> I've not seen 400 errors before, but it seems that the attempt to build
> talkatu - as part of a pidgin source build, is causing one.
> 
> ralphw7@asimov:~/src/pidgin/Pidgin-master$ meson build
> The Meson build system
> Version: 0.53.2
> Source dir: /home/ralphw7/src/pidgin/Pidgin-master
> Build dir: /home/ralphw7/src/pidgin/Pidgin-master/build
> Build type: native build
> Project name: pidgin
> Project version: 3.0.0-devel
> C compiler for the host machine: cc (gcc 9.4.0 "cc (Ubuntu
> 9.4.0-1ubuntu1~20.04.1) 9.4.0")
> C linker for the host machine: cc ld.bfd 2.34
> Host machine cpu family: x86_64
> Host machine cpu: x86_64
> Program sed found: YES (/usr/bin/sed)
> Program mkmesonconf.py found: YES
> (/home/ralphw7/src/pidgin/Pidgin-master/mkmesonconf.py)
> Has header "sys/wait.h" : YES
> Has header "fcntl.h" : YES
> Has header "unistd.h" : YES
> Has header "stdint.h" : YES
> Checking for size of "time_t" : 8
> Checking for function "inet_aton" : YES
> Checking for function "gethostent" : YES
> Checking for function "socket" : YES
> Checking for function "getaddrinfo" : YES
> Checking for function "inet_ntop" : YES
> Checking for function "getifaddrs" : YES
> Header  has symbol "socklen_t" : YES
> Checking whether type "struct sockaddr" has member "sa_len" : NO
> Header  has symbol "IPV6_V6ONLY" : YES
> Library m found: YES
> Found pkg-config: /usr/bin/pkg-config (0.29.1)
> Run-time dependency glib-2.0 found: YES 2.64.6
> Run-time dependency gio-2.0 found: YES 2.64.6
> Run-time dependency gobject-2.0 found: YES 2.64.6
> Run-time dependency gthread-2.0 found: YES 2.64.6
> Found CMake: /usr/bin/cmake (3.16.3)
> Run-time dependency gobject-introspection-1.0 found: NO (tried pkgconfig
> and cmake)
> Run-time dependency gtk+-3.0 found: YES 3.24.20
> Run-time dependency talkatu found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake)
> abort: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mesonbuild/mesonmain.py", line 129,
> in run
>     return options.run_func(options)
>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mesonbuild/msetup.py", line 245, in
> run
>     app.generate()
>   ... more python stack trace
>   File "/usr/lib/python3.8/subprocess.py", line 364, in check_call
>     raise CalledProcessError(retcode, cmd)
> subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['/usr/bin/hg', 'clone', '
> https://bitbucket.com/pidgin/talkatu', 'talkatu']' returned non-zero exit
> status 255.
> 
> What's the run-time dependency trying to be resolved here?
> 
> All I had to do so far, was install gtk3 and the meson build environment.
> 
> I'm on ubuntu 20.04:lsb_release -a
> No LSB modules are available.
> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
> Description: Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS
> Release: 20.04
> Codename: focal
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Re: ssl connection fail

[Gary Kramlich]

On 3/15/22 22:17, Jack Sidebottom wrote:
Lost contact during storms 3/14. Recovered about 22:00 CDT. continued 
functioning until 3/15 @17:38 CDT


This all looks like pretty standard stuff for a a service interruption 
regardless of how it started.



Debug window contents from log-in attempt:

(22:13:33) *proxy:* Connecting to lightwitch.org:5222.
(22:13:33) *proxy:* Error connecting to lightwitch.org:5222 (Connection 
timed out.).


This is usually caused by an internet connection not being fully ready.


(22:13:35) *proxy:* Connecting to meaveen.lightwitch.org:443.
(22:13:35) *proxy:* Error connecting to meaveen.lightwitch.org:443 
(Connection refused.).

(22:13:35) *proxy:* Connection attempt failed: Connection refused.


The remote server was not accepting connections.

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RE: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: Pidgin 2.14.8 users manual

[Perez, Andrew (CIV NAVWARSYSCOM 59180) CIV USN COMNAVWARSYSCOM (USA)]

Can you transfer a file using IRC ?

 

I tried sending a word file via irc using Pidgin and could not send the
file. I was able to attach the file and the recipient received a
notification and was able to accept and set the download location but the
file would not start to upload. Here is what I saw in debug window:

Sending:

Network:getsokname:windows socket error#10114

Network:Listening on port 0

Network:skipping external port mapping.

Network:getsokname:windows socket error#10114

Network:getsokname:windows socket error#10114

IRC:port

 

Receiving:

G_log:Purple_proxy_connect:assertion port > 0 failed

 

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

v/r

 

Andrew Perez

 

TacMobile Test Director 

Naval Information Warfare Center (NIWC) Atlantic

Code 59180 Software Testing

 <mailto:andrew.perez3@us.navy.mil> andrew.perez3@us.navy.mil

 <mailto:andrew.pe...@navy.smil.mil> andrew.pe...@navy.smil.mil 

W:843.218.2281

Lab:843.218.6385

 

From: Eion Robb  
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 7:42 PM
To: Perez, Andrew (CIV NAVWARSYSCOM 59180) CIV USN COMNAVWARSYSCOM (USA)

Cc: support@pidgin.im
Subject: [URL Verdict: Neutral][Non-DoD Source] Re: Pidgin 2.14.8 users
manual

 

Hi Andrew,

 

Unfortunately we don't have a manual.  The closest we do have is a FAQ page
at https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQAllInOne
<https://usg01.safelinks.protection.office365.us/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdevelope
r.pidgin.im%2Fwiki%2FFAQAllInOne=04%7C01%7Candrew.perez3.civ%40us.navy.
mil%7C26b5920f02424998b7b308da086fbbfe%7Cee00c8774b87b6ad45e942de1750%7C
0%7C0%7C637831574937631495%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQI
joiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=5w38W%2FCx4f05wGvrCV%
2F1DI2uU%2FspbXU8XoRBSyWLRyU%3D=0> 

 

Cheers,

Eion

 

 

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 at 04:57, Perez, Andrew (CIV NAVWARSYSCOM 59180) CIV USN
COMNAVWARSYSCOM (USA) mailto:andrew.perez3@us.navy.mil> > wrote:

Is there a user manual for Pidgin 2.14.8?



v/r



Andrew Perez



TacMobile Test Director 

Naval Information Warfare Center (NIWC) Atlantic

Code 59180 Software Testing

andrew.perez3@us.navy.mil <mailto:andrew.perez3@us.navy.mil>
<mailto:andrew.perez3@us.navy.mil <mailto:andrew.perez3@us.navy.mil>
> 

andrew.pe...@navy.smil.mil <mailto:andrew.pe...@navy.smil.mil>
<mailto:andrew.pe...@navy.smil.mil <mailto:andrew.pe...@navy.smil.mil> >  

W:843.218.2281

Lab:843.218.6385



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Re: Pidgin 2.14.8 users manual

[Eion Robb]

Hi Andrew,

Unfortunately we don't have a manual.  The closest we do have is a FAQ page
at https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQAllInOne

Cheers,
Eion


On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 at 04:57, Perez, Andrew (CIV NAVWARSYSCOM 59180) CIV
USN COMNAVWARSYSCOM (USA)  wrote:

> Is there a user manual for Pidgin 2.14.8?
>
>
>
> v/r
>
>
>
> Andrew Perez
>
>
>
> TacMobile Test Director
>
> Naval Information Warfare Center (NIWC) Atlantic
>
> Code 59180 Software Testing
>
> andrew.perez3@us.navy.mil 
>
> andrew.pe...@navy.smil.mil 
>
> W:843.218.2281
>
> Lab:843.218.6385
>
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Re: delete account 427312130

[Gary Kramlich]

On 2/15/22 11:59, Jan Runge wrote:

Hello,


Hiya,


please delete my account 427312130. Don´t save message, picture other data.


Pidgin is just a client and there for we don't have any specific account 
data for you.  Unless you're referring to this mailing list which you 
can unsubscribe at https://lists.pidgin.im/listinfo/support.


If you are not referring to this mailing list you'll need to reach out 
to the operators of whatever chat networks you were using Pidgin with.



best regards
J. Runge


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Re: Vulnerabilities Found! (Batman to Rescue!!)

[Gary Kramlich]

On 2/4/22 02:44, Bruce Wayne wrote:

Hello Team,

Batman here! I know this is not the most suitable way to start a
conversation but the mask is there for a reason. It's time Batman takes
extra measures and also takes the responsibility of keeping the WWW safe.

I've discovered some potential vulnerabilities on your website and would be
interested to know if there's a Responsible Disclosure/Bug Bounty Program
available so I can be able to share my findings with you in the best
possible way.


Instructions can be found on our website 
https://pidgin.im/about/security/#reporting-a-security-related-issue



However, if you wish to opt out let me know. So, I wouldn't have to bother
you up again with my email.

Warm Regards,
Batman.


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Re: Disable sounds

[Gary Kramlich]

On 2/1/22 12:16, Michael Messina wrote:

Good afternoon,

Pidgin is a great alternative to using the NWS chat; however, I cannot seem to 
disable the sounds the app makes when individuals log in and out of the chat 
room.  This is distracting and annoying.  I have deselected ENABLE SOUNDS and 
the sounds persist.


Glad you're enjoying it. To completely disable sounds you can open the 
preferences window from "tools -> preferences" in the buddylist window's 
menu bar.


In the preference select the sounds tab. Find the setting labelled 
"Method" and select "No sounds" from the drop down.




Please help!!!

Thank you,

Mike Messina
Director of Emergency management
Collin College


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Re: Quick comment re: MacOS

[Gary Kramlich]

On 1/9/22 11:10, Forrest Aldrich wrote:

Hi there,

Adium does not appear to be in active development any longer. FYI. There 
haven't been meaningful updates to the code in a very long time, author 
does not respond to messages.


Unfortunately, we're aware...

I'm not sure what, if any alternatives there are.  But I wonder if 
someone can put together a MacOS release -- sounds like that might be a 
bit of work, with the UI/API.


There is a version of Pidgin 2 in homebrew that runs without xquartz.

That said, Pidgin 3 is targeting macOS directly, but we're still many 
months away from even an alpha, so it's going to be a bit.



Forrest


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Quick comment re: MacOS

[Forrest Aldrich]

Hi there,

Adium does not appear to be in active development any longer. FYI.   
There haven't been meaningful updates to the code in a very long time, 
author does not respond to messages.


I'm not sure what, if any alternatives there are.  But I wonder if 
someone can put together a MacOS release -- sounds like that might be a 
bit of work, with the UI/API.




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Re: Auto correct feature from the installer broken

[Gary Kramlich]

On 12/20/21 14:10, Ian wrote:

Hello,

  


When trying to install the Auto correct English US feature via the Pidgin
installer for Windows it gives an error message that the file can't be
downloaded.

When trying to download the Zip file via the link displayed in the error
message, it goes to a page that says "This project is discontinued
12-Feb-2021".

Please see attached image for more details.


Sorry about that, it's been on our todo list for a while to get it fixed 
and noted as much in our release notes.



Can the installer be updated to remove the spell check option or update the
link it is supposed to install the libraries?

Can the Developer Wiki site be updated to reflect the changes?


As I mentioned above it is in our release announcements[1] and we're 
planning on fixing it, it's just time consuming and error prone and 
honestly you're the first person to mention it in over a year. So it 
didn't seem like many people were interested in it.


That said, I will make it a priority for the next release.


Thank you


[1] https://pidgin.im/posts/2021-10-2.14.8-released/

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Re: Important!

[David Woolley]

On 12/12/2021 04:45, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

I don't think that SSH tunneling to the server qualifies as end-to-end.



And if you control the server well enough to provide the other ned of 
the tunnel, you are probably using XMPP which already uses TLS.


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Re: Important!

[pidgin]

I don't think that SSH tunneling to the server qualifies as end-to-end.

On 2021-12-11 19:40, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

And you may be able to tunnel it through SSH.

On 12/11/21 08:32, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

I am aware of two encryption protocols that Pidgin can support with plugins:

OMEMO (two implementations):
- https://github.com/gkdr/lurch
- https://github.com/manchito/libpurple-omemo-plugin

OTR:
- https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/


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Re: Important!

[Robert Moskowitz]

And you may be able to tunnel it through SSH.

On 12/11/21 08:32, pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
I am aware of two encryption protocols that Pidgin can support with 
plugins:


OMEMO (two implementations):
- https://github.com/gkdr/lurch
- https://github.com/manchito/libpurple-omemo-plugin

OTR:
- https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/


On 2021-12-11 06:40, David Woolley wrote:

On 11/12/2021 11:09, mswcorp wrote:

How do I send encrypted messages on pidgin?


Insufficiently specified.

What IM services are are available to you?

Which of those do you trust not to abuse a man in the middle position?

Do you plan to operate your own server?

Do you need end to end encryption?

Do you need multipoint end to end encryption?

How much work are you prepared to put into sending a message?

What is the nature of the threat?

Are you concerned about traffic flow security?

I believe XMPP provides encryption to and from the server, but not 
within the server.  That is probably true for the supported services 
provided by commercial organisations, like Google.


I don't think any of the official plugins implements end to end 
encryption, but some third party ones might.


You can always encrypt off line, convert to uuencode or base64, and 
paste that into a message, or series of messages, for any text based 
service, but, on its own, will not give traffic flow security.


Please use a useful subject in future, so that other people can find 
the thread in the archives, and it doesn't look like spam in my mailbox.


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Re: Important!

[pidgin]

I am aware of two encryption protocols that Pidgin can support with plugins:

OMEMO (two implementations):
- https://github.com/gkdr/lurch
- https://github.com/manchito/libpurple-omemo-plugin

OTR:
- https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/


On 2021-12-11 06:40, David Woolley wrote:

On 11/12/2021 11:09, mswcorp wrote:

How do I send encrypted messages on pidgin?


Insufficiently specified.

What IM services are are available to you?

Which of those do you trust not to abuse a man in the middle position?

Do you plan to operate your own server?

Do you need end to end encryption?

Do you need multipoint end to end encryption?

How much work are you prepared to put into sending a message?

What is the nature of the threat?

Are you concerned about traffic flow security?

I believe XMPP provides encryption to and from the server, but not within the 
server.  That is probably true for the supported services provided by 
commercial organisations, like Google.

I don't think any of the official plugins implements end to end encryption, but 
some third party ones might.

You can always encrypt off line, convert to uuencode or base64, and paste that 
into a message, or series of messages, for any text based service, but, on its 
own, will not give traffic flow security.

Please use a useful subject in future, so that other people can find the thread 
in the archives, and it doesn't look like spam in my mailbox.

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Re: Important!

[David Woolley]

On 11/12/2021 11:09, mswcorp wrote:

How do I send encrypted messages on pidgin?


Insufficiently specified.

What IM services are are available to you?

Which of those do you trust not to abuse a man in the middle position?

Do you plan to operate your own server?

Do you need end to end encryption?

Do you need multipoint end to end encryption?

How much work are you prepared to put into sending a message?

What is the nature of the threat?

Are you concerned about traffic flow security?

I believe XMPP provides encryption to and from the server, but not 
within the server.  That is probably true for the supported services 
provided by commercial organisations, like Google.


I don't think any of the official plugins implements end to end 
encryption, but some third party ones might.


You can always encrypt off line, convert to uuencode or base64, and 
paste that into a message, or series of messages, for any text based 
service, but, on its own, will not give traffic flow security.


Please use a useful subject in future, so that other people can find the 
thread in the archives, and it doesn't look like spam in my mailbox.


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Re: gmail 2-factor authorization

[Dave Warren]

On 2021-12-09 12:54, davidcors...@gmail.com wrote:

It seems Google's 2-Factor auth has broken the ability to log into my gchat
on pidgin.  Are there any plans to update the app to work with that new
system?


The standard answer is to use a App Specific password for applications 
that don't support Google's OAuthy.


I'm not a developer so I can't speak to future plans.

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Re: Question about setting up Pidgin 2.13.0 using Debian 10 (Linux) to connect to Twitter

[David Woolley]

On 30/11/2021 20:16, James Henry McCoy Jr wrote:

I installed all the related plugins for Twitter into Pidgin - but when
I try to connect to Twitter (it defaults to OAUTH)... Pidgin keeps
saying "mbpidgin needs your pin for access".  Can anyone please tell me
what "pin" that Pidgin is asking for and where I can get that "pin"
please??


As far as I can tell, all the Twitter plugins are third party, so you 
should seek support from whoever provided the plugins you are using. 
The message will be from a plugin, not from Pidgin itself.


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Re: 64 bit installer

[Gary Kramlich]

On 11/17/21 12:02, Dennis Luo wrote:

Hi Pidgin team,

I'm curious to know if you offer a 64 bit version of the installer.
Please let me know.


We do not currently offer a 64bit windows installer for pidgin 2 and are 
not anticipating adding one in the future. However, the next major 
version, whenever it is released, will have a 64bit installer.



Thank you



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Re: is the dev list down

[Gary Kramlich]

On 11/22/21 06:14, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
Attempted to send an email to the dev list, but have not seen it hit the 
list or via the web page


Probably mostly. The TLS cert expired and we can't easily renew it via 
lets encrypt (long story). I've been trying to get the email migrated to 
a new stack for over a week, hopefully I'll have it working this weekend.


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Re: NWSChat

[Alex Oren]

Try one of the following:
1. Ctrl-Q from the main window
2. Menu: Buddies/Quit
3. Right click on the tray icon and select Quit

On 2021-11-15 14:42, Brad Barton wrote:

I have tried to update Pidgin by uninstalling, but my Windows10 Dell XPS laptop 
says Pidgin is still running and I must exit before I can download the new 
version.
I can’t find a way to exit Pidgin before uninstalling and updating.  Please 
help.


Sent from Mail for Windows

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Re: Problems with my account in pidgin

[David Woolley]

On 12/11/2021 22:37, David Woolley wrote:


For background on the concepts referred to above, 
 
may be useful.


Although I haven't translated and checked it, I think this Russian 
Wikipedia article also covers the concepts: 
 
(Цепочка доверия).


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Re: Problems with my account in pidgin

[David Woolley]

On 12/11/2021 13:40, 2...@tuta.io wrote:

15:38:16) dnssrv: Couldn't look up SRV record. DNS-имя не существует. (9003).a


This isn't an error.  The domain name you gave does not have SRV 
records, but it got beyond this point.



(15:38:52) nss: partial certificate chain


I was hoping someone more familiar with this aspect of Pidgin was going 
to answer, but really you need help from someone you trust, as this 
relates to the mechanisms that are used to ensure you are really talking 
to the server, not to an impostor who is then forwarding things to the 
server.


It appears that only IRC and XMPP use this.  I'm guessing that you are 
trying to access an IRC server run by voxi.ru, but if it is actually an 
XMPP one, please let us know.


The could mean:

1) someone is pretending to be the server and hoping you won't check 
properly or will override security warnings;


2) Pidgin never had the CA certificate needed to verify the server - was 
it working before;


3) The server has updated its server certificate which is now signed by 
a new CA certificate (you may want to check you have the latest  Pidgin 
and have current security updates for your OS - this might be the case 
if they were using a Lets Encrypt certificate, as there was a recent, 
relatively chaotic, retirement of one of their CA certificates;


4) The server has a certificate that is signed by an intermediate 
certificate, which they haven't sent to you, and which you didn't 
already have.


There will be differences in how to add a missing CA certificate on your 
side, depending on the OS, so you should tell us what that is, and as 
you shouldn't take information from lightly used mailing lists at face 
value, you really need someone you can trust to make sure that you don't 
compromise your machine by adding a certificate that you shouldn't trust 
to the extent necessary for your personal security needs.


For background on the concepts referred to above, 
 
may be useful.




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Re: Problems with my account in pidgin

[David Woolley]

On 12/11/2021 13:03, 2...@tuta.io wrote:

Every time I get this mistake. It`s logging in every time and got 
mistakehttp://joxi.ru/52a7QpOfgPlOQr


Generally account problems need to be taken up with the account 
provider, which is never the Pidgin support organisation.


Also, your report doesn't seem to be complete.  Please explain the 
expected behaviour and how the actual behaviour differs.  We know 
nothing of your service provider and how they should behave.


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Re: Big problem pls help

[pidgin]

Unfortunately, no.

Several things could go wrong:

* Something on your computer interferes with the connection (I think somebody 
once had an issue with peerguardian installed)
* Your ISP messes with the connection
* The server does not like your IP address
* The server does not like your account
* You've been cursed by the elder gods

I would try installing an XMPP client on your mobile device and trying to 
connect from it, both via your wifi (same external IP and ISP) and turning wifi 
off via cellular data (different IP and ISP), to narrow it down.

You can also try the web client at https://chat.jabb.im/
and maybe check https://jabb.im/antispam/ (whatever it may be)

See if the Jabbim FAQ helps (Q. 4 in particular), and try their online support at 
https://chat.jabb.im/?r=jab...@chat.jabb.im=
or email them at supp...@jabbim.zendesk.com
In fact that should have been your first course of action, given that the 
problem manifests with multiple clients.

Also, try creating an account with a different server (jabber.at is the one I 
use) and see if you get the same issue with them.

As a last resort, sacrifice a black goat to Cthulhu.

Other than that, I'm out of ideas.
Maybe one of the other users on this list can offer something.

Good luck!


On 2021-10-26 13:54, john davies wrote:

Hi, Thanks for your fast response. I have searched a lot for this issue and 
can't find much. I have attached the log. Maybe you can see something and help 
me out. Many many thanks!!!


--
*From:* pid...@alexoren.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:47 PM
*To:* support@pidgin.im 
*Cc:* john davies 
*Subject:* Re: Big problem pls help
Pidgin is a client, just like Miranda, PSI and the others you tried.
If the disconnection happens with all of the clients, I doubt there is anything 
you can do on the Pidgin side to resolve.

One thing you could do is start Pidgin with debugging and then look at the log 
for possibly more detailed errors, though I don't know how helpful it will be.

My batch file (on Windows) looks like this:

     @echo off
     set PURPLE_UNSAFE_DEBUG=1
     set PURPLE_GNUTLS_DEBUG=1
     set PURPLE_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1
     "%ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pidgin.exe" -d 2>&1 > 
"%APPDATA%\.purple\debug-%date%-%time::=.%.log"

Good luck!


On 2021-10-26 10:32, john davies wrote:

Hi, I have a big problem. It keeps disconnecting me. I use XMPP with an account 
at jabbim.com. I use a roaming internet from Three UK. I get this error: Lost 
connection with server: Remote host closed connection.

Every 3-5 minutes it disconnects me. The problem is that I even tried with 
other clients such a PSI and Miranda, etc. and it does the same. It disconnects 
me. What should it do?

As internet I use a hotspot on my phone with internet from Three. Is roaming 
because I am in another country.

Please help me!! Thanks
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Re: Big problem pls help

[john davies]

Hi, Thanks for your fast response. I have searched a lot for this issue and 
can't find much. I have attached the log. Maybe you can see something and help 
me out. Many many thanks!!!



From: pid...@alexoren.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:47 PM
To: support@pidgin.im 
Cc: john davies 
Subject: Re: Big problem pls help

Pidgin is a client, just like Miranda, PSI and the others you tried.
If the disconnection happens with all of the clients, I doubt there is anything 
you can do on the Pidgin side to resolve.

One thing you could do is start Pidgin with debugging and then look at the log 
for possibly more detailed errors, though I don't know how helpful it will be.

My batch file (on Windows) looks like this:

@echo off
set PURPLE_UNSAFE_DEBUG=1
set PURPLE_GNUTLS_DEBUG=1
set PURPLE_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1
"%ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pidgin.exe" -d 2>&1 > 
"%APPDATA%\.purple\debug-%date%-%time::=.%.log"

Good luck!


On 2021-10-26 10:32, john davies wrote:
> Hi, I have a big problem. It keeps disconnecting me. I use XMPP with an 
> account at jabbim.com. I use a roaming internet from Three UK. I get this 
> error: Lost connection with server: Remote host closed connection.
>
> Every 3-5 minutes it disconnects me. The problem is that I even tried with 
> other clients such a PSI and Miranda, etc. and it does the same. It 
> disconnects me. What should it do?
>
> As internet I use a hotspot on my phone with internet from Three. Is roaming 
> because I am in another country.
>
> Please help me!! Thanks
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Re: Big problem pls help

[pidgin]

Pidgin is a client, just like Miranda, PSI and the others you tried.
If the disconnection happens with all of the clients, I doubt there is anything 
you can do on the Pidgin side to resolve.

One thing you could do is start Pidgin with debugging and then look at the log 
for possibly more detailed errors, though I don't know how helpful it will be.

My batch file (on Windows) looks like this:

@echo off
set PURPLE_UNSAFE_DEBUG=1
set PURPLE_GNUTLS_DEBUG=1
set PURPLE_VERBOSE_DEBUG=1
"%ProgramFiles(x86)%\Pidgin\pidgin.exe" -d 2>&1 > 
"%APPDATA%\.purple\debug-%date%-%time::=.%.log"

Good luck!


On 2021-10-26 10:32, john davies wrote:

Hi, I have a big problem. It keeps disconnecting me. I use XMPP with an account 
at jabbim.com. I use a roaming internet from Three UK. I get this error: Lost 
connection with server: Remote host closed connection.

Every 3-5 minutes it disconnects me. The problem is that I even tried with 
other clients such a PSI and Miranda, etc. and it does the same. It disconnects 
me. What should it do?

As internet I use a hotspot on my phone with internet from Three. Is roaming 
because I am in another country.

Please help me!! Thanks
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Re: HELP

[sequoyahc...@yahoo.com]

 OK  a follow-up I have remembered the Password and can log into my Account on 
this computer but cannot login on the other 2 it shows this message - 
"incorrect username or password"  and won't allow me to log in now, what can I 
do to get it to allow me to log in?

On Friday, October 22, 2021, 09:23:04 AM CDT, sequoyahc...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:  
 
 I am needing help with a Password Problem, I have forgotten my Password for my 
account:  em-steven.d.rutherford
I am trying to get it entered into a couple of backup computers and cannot 
remember what it is, I have had them connected before but, they had lost power 
and internet connections during an office equipment move and now I cannot log 
in and get on Pidgin on those computers.  

Let me know what I need to do.  Thanks.  
  
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Re: Fw: HELP

[David Woolley]

Please reply on list.  This is a peer support forum and works best when 
multiple people can see and check the answers.  Also people don't want 
to keep answering the same question, so it works best when people with 
the  same problem can find the answers by searching.


Pidgin supports a number of service types, and in some cases, 
particularly XMPP, a number of organisations provide those services, so, 
in those cases, it also provides the ability to configure the network 
address for the provider.


If Pidgin was provided for work or education use, the service provider 
is likely to be your employer or college.  More generally, if Pidgin was 
provided pre-configured, you should consult whoever configured the 
machine.  You couldn't configure it yourself without knowing the service 
provider.


Many of the mass market services have now been closed down, but in the 
past service providers for those included Microsoft, Yahoo and Google. 
I've lost track of which companies still provide public services with 
open protocols.


On 22/10/2021 16:25, sequoyahc...@yahoo.com wrote:
What do you mean "The Provider of the Service"  do you mean the internet 
provider or what


- Forwarded Message -
*From:* David Woolley 
*To:* sequoyahc...@yahoo.com ; support@pidgin.im 


*Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021, 10:14:49 AM CDT
*Subject:* Re: HELP

On 22/10/2021 16:02, sequoyahc...@yahoo.com 
<mailto:sequoyahc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
 >  OK  a follow-up I have remembered the Password and can log into my 
Account on this computer but cannot login on the other 2 it shows this 
message - "incorrect username or password"  and won't allow me to log in 
now, what can I do to get it to allow me to log in?


You need to contact the provider of the service you are using.  Pidgin
is just a tool that passes the user and password on to the service
provider, and passes the provider's rejection back to you.  It doesn't
decide whether or not they are correct.

There isn't enough information for me to guess your service provider.


 >
 >      On Friday, October 22, 2021, 09:23:04 AM CDT, 
sequoyahc...@yahoo.com <mailto:sequoyahc...@yahoo.com> 
mailto:sequoyahc...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

 >
 >  I am needing help with a Password Problem, I have forgotten my 
Password for my account:  em-steven.d.rutherford
 > I am trying to get it entered into a couple of backup computers and 
cannot remember what it is, I have had them connected before but, they 
had lost power and internet connections during an office equipment move 
and now I cannot log in and get on Pidgin on those computers.

 >
 > Let me know what I need to do.  Thanks.




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Re: HELP

[David Woolley]

On 22/10/2021 16:02, sequoyahc...@yahoo.com wrote:

  OK  a follow-up I have remembered the Password and can log into my Account on this 
computer but cannot login on the other 2 it shows this message - "incorrect username 
or password"  and won't allow me to log in now, what can I do to get it to allow me 
to log in?


You need to contact the provider of the service you are using.  Pidgin 
is just a tool that passes the user and password on to the service 
provider, and passes the provider's rejection back to you.  It doesn't 
decide whether or not they are correct.


There isn't enough information for me to guess your service provider.



 On Friday, October 22, 2021, 09:23:04 AM CDT, sequoyahc...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
  
  I am needing help with a Password Problem, I have forgotten my Password for my account:  em-steven.d.rutherford

I am trying to get it entered into a couple of backup computers and cannot 
remember what it is, I have had them connected before but, they had lost power 
and internet connections during an office equipment move and now I cannot log 
in and get on Pidgin on those computers.

Let me know what I need to do.  Thanks.


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Re: Issue with Pidgin text

[Eion Robb]

Hi there,

Pidgin itself doesn't send any text messages, but it can connect to other
companies' systems that do.  So we're not able to help.  You might want to
get in touch with your service provider, Tali, to discuss.

Cheers,
Eion

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 12:48, Pangea Office  wrote:

> What does that mean? I do not understand your response. Can you please
> respond in layman terms? We do not see the issue with our inquiry.
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>
>> The message's content type was not explicitly allowed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Pangea Office 
>> To: Pidgin Support List 
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:57:33 -0700
>> Subject: Re: Issue with Pidgin text
>> Hello,
>>
>> We use pidgin to text from our office computer through our phone line.
>> However, we noticed that one out of thirty numbers or so does not
>> receive text messages sent from pidgin. We have looked through your
>> website and forums and have not been able to locate why this is happening
>> and how to fix it. Here is some general information so you might be able to
>> assist us better:
>>
>> Our phone line provider is Teli
>>
>> One of the numbers that do not receive our texts is: 818-455-3628 and his
>> phone provider is AT It seems like for this number, our texts used to go
>> through- but now they do not at all. Please see screenshot examples of it
>> not working.
>>
>> Another number that does not receive our texts is 818-203-5799. It is
>> also AT, but we do not think the Issue is AT since we text many people
>> and the majority of our numbers work.
>>
>> You can also call us to discuss at 818-335-9916.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> [image: PIDGIN 2.PNG]
>>
>> [image: pidgin example.PNG]
>>
>> Noa
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 3:51 PM David Woolley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/10/2021 16:58, Pangea Office wrote:
>>> > We are having an issue where our pidgin messaging is
>>> > working for all but a select few numbers. Can you help us figure out
>>> why
>>> > for certain people our messages do not deliver?
>>> > (number: 818-335-9916)
>>>
>>> You are missing rather important information, which makes me think you
>>> don't really understand what Pidgin is.  Most users of Pidgin do not use
>>> services for which a phone number has any meaning at all.  You need to
>>> tell us the service you are using.
>>>
>>> Chances are that your problem is with that service and not with Pidgin,
>>> but if you need to pursue Pidgin, you will need to provide us with error
>>> messages, and the debugging logs it produces.
>>>
>>> The only phone number based service I'm aware of is a South African one,
>>> but I haven't seen that mentioned in a long time.
>>>
>>> I've taken the developer list out of the recipients, as cross posting is
>>> a bad idea on mailing lists and this doesn't seem to be on topic there.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Pangea Business Solutions Office Staff
>> Office # 818-335-9916
>>
>>
>
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>
> Pangea Business Solutions Office Staff
> Office # 818-335-9916
>
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RE: Issue with Pidgin text

[phs3notifications]

David Woolley wrote, in part:

>The only phone number based service I'm aware of is a South African one, 
>but I haven't seen that mentioned in a long time.

 

Signal? Not that I’ve been able to get the plugin to work…

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Re: Issue with Pidgin text

[David Woolley]

On 01/10/2021 16:58, Pangea Office wrote:

We are having an issue where our pidgin messaging is
working for all but a select few numbers. Can you help us figure out why
for certain people our messages do not deliver?
(number: 818-335-9916)


You are missing rather important information, which makes me think you 
don't really understand what Pidgin is.  Most users of Pidgin do not use 
services for which a phone number has any meaning at all.  You need to 
tell us the service you are using.


Chances are that your problem is with that service and not with Pidgin, 
but if you need to pursue Pidgin, you will need to provide us with error 
messages, and the debugging logs it produces.


The only phone number based service I'm aware of is a South African one, 
but I haven't seen that mentioned in a long time.


I've taken the developer list out of the recipients, as cross posting is 
a bad idea on mailing lists and this doesn't seem to be on topic there.


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Re: moving to another computer

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On 2021-09-24 17:29, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

On my Fedora system I have a ~/.purple directory with all my pidgin stuff.


... and on Windows it's in %APPDATA%\.purple

Just copy that directory over to the new computer (when Pidgin is not running) 
and everything should be good.


On 9/24/21 5:14 PM, Harold Hartley wrote:

I first sign on to XMPP with pidgin with one computer and now that computer 
will be going offline and switching to another computer.

How can I keep the fingerprint of pidgin to my XMPP account the same or does it 
matter. What happens to my account when I start using the newer computer. Will 
it screw up my account or what.


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Re: moving to another computer

[Robert Moskowitz]

On my Fedora system I have a ~/.purple directory with all my pidgin stuff.

On 9/24/21 5:14 PM, Harold Hartley wrote:
I first sign on to XMPP with pidgin with one computer and now that 
computer will be going offline and switching to another computer.


How can I keep the fingerprint of pidgin to my XMPP account the same 
or does it matter. What happens to my account when I start using the 
newer computer. Will it screw up my account or what.


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Re: Hangouts ==> Google Chat

[Gary Kramlich]

On 8/4/21 12:03 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:
> Apologies if I've missed this here, but what does the move from Hangouts to
> Google Chat mean for Pidgin? I did some Googling but all the hits seemed to
> be quite old.

There's a Google Chat plugin available at
https://github.com/EionRobb/purple-googlechat#readme.

> ...phsiii 

Thanks,

--
Gary Kramlich 

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