Re: Password Manager Not Working on Some Sites
On 25.09.2010 05:22, nr wrote: --- Original Message --- On Sep 24, 8:44 pm, David E. Ross nob...@nowhere.invalid wrote: On 9/24/10 11:57 AM, Rick Merrill wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 24.09.2010 05:44, nr wrote: --- Original Message --- There are a couple sites I use often that SM does not invoke the password manager; the great majority of sites I use do invoke password manager without any problems. One of the tech folks at one site said they only support IE and Firefox, but not SM. I saw a note here that said the SM password manager was from Firefox. Since so many sites work fine with SM's password manager, how can I get the others to also work? If the pages work with Firefox, could the site support just add a few lines to their code on the login page? Or, even better, could I add something to a file? Many thanks for any information on this. It's possible that those sites in question do not allow auto-password entry and only manual entry is allowed. How do they DO that? For bank sites I think it should be de-rigor. That is answered at http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross Thanks for the link, it works great (maybe this change should be in the Preferences). Is there any code that could be put in userChrome.css so we wouldn't have to modify when new updates come out, if necessary? Doesn't work on PayPal here. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New Add-ons Manager
David E. Ross wrote: On 9/23/10 5:11 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On launching SeaMonkey, I saw a popup informing me that an update to one of my installed add-ons is now available. The message did not say which of 8 add-ons has the update. I consider the failure to identify which add-on has a new update to be a serious problem. I went to the Web sites of all of them. For 7 of them, I can tell there is no new updates. For the DOM Inspector, the Web page at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/ does not display a version number. This add-on was installed with SeaMonkey itself. I did not request it; I don't know how to use it; and I'm not sure I want it. Below is a list of my SeaMonkey add-ons with their version numbers. Can anyone tell me which one has a newer version? Extensions (enabled: 8) * Adblock Plus 1.2.2 (http://adblockplus.org/) * DOM Inspector 2.0.4 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) * Flashblock 1.3.16 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/) * Live HTTP headers 0.16 * PrefBar 5.1.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/) * Preserve Download Modification Timestamp 2010.09.12.18 * Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/6143/) * ShowIP 0.8.19 (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/) I submitted bug report #599199 regarding the failure to identify the add-on in the notification. That bug report was closed as Invalid because, in a pending upgrade of Add-ons Manager, the notification will no longer appear. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599199. I have the feeling someone didn't understand your original bug, saying We won't fix it, that code is gone when you are seeing that behavior on the current shipping version is a pretty good indication of that. As I understand, users will have one of two choices: * The Add-ons Manager will both automatically detect updates to installed add-ons, download them, and install them. or * Updates will be neither detected, downloaded, nor installed. That is, automatic detection will no longer be possible without automatic installation. Can someone either verify this or tell me where I have this wrong? As long as the manual check doesn't suddenly start installing updates without asking, at least you have a path to do what you want. But having an automatic check and notify is really the preferred behavior, you don't want to do updates without asking, as it changes the behavior in some cases. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why so many up-grades?
Robert Kaiser wrote: MintyJewel schrieb: Can you please explain ( to confused little me ) why there are so many massive overhauls? The updates that get applied automatically are only security and stability fixes, not massive overhauls. Those should never break anything, and any add-ons from the official SeaMonkey add-ons site should work just as well before and after those minor updates. Robert, I agree with the should never break part, but in practice 2.0.7 had major issue for some people and worked poorly or not at all. And add-ons from the official site are not the issue, I suspect that the major reason people use add-ons in the first place is to work around policy decisions made in the original code, and those are usually on some other site. In other words they bridge the gap between some FF developer saying this is the way users should do it and this is the way *I* want to do it. Changes to SM break add-ons from other sites, which were installed to fix a perceived problem in many cases. I'm not suggesting that you avoid making changes, just clarifying why some users want auto-notification but not, not ever, auto-install. Massive upgrades to new versions will never be done automatically (we are not Google, who are crazy enough to do that for Chrome) but only after asking you if you want to upgrade. Also, those are pretty rare, probably not more than one per year. From my testing of 2.1 I would say that a clear spec of how to write conforming extensions, possibly with some trivial example, is desirable. Robert Kaiser -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
d...@kd4e.com wrote:
I keep meaning to ask this but forget when I get home.
I have had a problem with many/most non-home router
connections with the outgoing mail failing.
I get a message saying that the connection to the
smtp server failed.
What setting might be interfering with this, please?
As covered in many posts, this is an ISP decision, not a SM issue.
You asked:
At 09/22/2010 02:50 PM
Has something changed so that everyone needs to do this in SM now?
You are using (trying to use) an ISP who doesn't allow mail.
At 09/22/2010 07:27 PM
This eliminates my ISP as the source of the problem.
It does, it also eliminates SM as the source of the problem.
At 09/23/2010 05:56 PM
My Web host and one of my three E-mail providers agrees with the
info in an article someone private-mailed me that Port 25 is being
blocked.
He suggested trying Port 26, so I have made that change and will test
it at a non-home Wifi connection tomorrow. It appears to work from
here OK.
This is another non-standard workaround, which will not work in all places. It
wouldn't work at all if the ISP knew how to configure firewalls.
At 09/24/2010 10:22 AM
Well, two of the three E-mail providers allow Port 26, my ISP does not.
If Port 26 works at non-home Wifi sites then I will ask my ISP to
enable Port 26 so I can leave all of them set that way all the time.
Your correct solution would probably be to use the message submission port, port
587, which should not be blocked. Note, should not, incompetence is rampant,
ISP block things at random, trying to stem the tide of spam. Message submission
requires authentication and should not be blocked, but you need to check the
always offer authentication option and provide your own credentials to make it
work.
I'm assuming SM supports using this, I can't quickly check. As for your ISP
providing this, I hope so, you can test by doing
telnet {your outgoing server} 587
and looking for a prompt back. Disconnect by typing QUIT, if you don't speak
SMTP by heart. ;-)
This uses a defined port and protocol, and is highly likely to be more portable
than some undefined port.
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Re: e-mailing WebPages--SeaMonkey and IE8
Popichak, Robert wrote: Good Morning! I have a question. I am using SeaMonkey 2.1b3 Composer for my website. When I try to e-mail a webpage from IE8, SeaMonkey automatically opens. I would prefer to use MS Outlook as I am behind a firewall and cannot get permission to open it for SeaMonkey. A firewall only sees ports and packets, it can't block SM mail unless you haven't configured outgoing email properly in SM, it should work. In the interest of fairness, if it is the 2.1b3 (?) Composer and uses that mail program, you are running through a lot of lightly tested code. Is there a setting I can change to default IE8 to Outlook? When you say you are trying to email a web page I assume you mean that you save the page and then start a mail program and attach the page, and that somehow Outlook knows the page was created with SM and starts the SM mailer? I'm unclear how IE8 get SM into the act at all, or IE8. If you just start Outlook and attach the file, does it somehow start SM? What command do you use to do the mail, and from IE8 or Composer? Thanks! Fr. Bob Rev. Robert Popichak 23 Station Street Carnegie, PA 15106-3014 412-279-5640 home 412-956-6626 cell rpopic...@alumni.carnegiemellon.edumailto:rpopic...@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
d...@kd4e.com wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: If your home ISP is indifferent as to which SMTP server you use, all will work. If your road ISP requires you to use their SMTP server, then any mail sent to any SMTP server other than theirs will be blocked. My ISP let me use any SMTP server i want - BUT ... ...If i use mys ISP SMTP server i MUST be connected thru my ISP. When i am not connected at my ISP network, i must use their webmail mechanisn. Well, two of the three E-mail providers allow Port 26, my ISP does not. If Port 26 works at non-home Wifi sites then I will ask my ISP to enable Port 26 so I can leave all of them set that way all the time. Allow me to jump in here. I'm a Cox HSI customer so I have some familiarity with port 25 blocking. You may wish to ask your nonISP email providers what SMTP port to use. This will generally be port 587. If SSL is used then use port 465. Your email provider (not your ISP) will be able to tell you what ports and with what settings their server is listening. If you are away from home and can't log on to your ISP then you can't send over their network. Use their web-mail. When I send emails here at home Cox's MX mail transit servers are the only Cox servers touching my email, not their SMTP or POP servers. -- James E. Morrow Email to: jamesemor...@email.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why so many up-grades?
Bill Davidsen schrieb: Robert, I agree with the should never break part, but in practice 2.0.7 had major issue for some people and worked poorly or not at all. I didn't have any issue with add-ons, and that is the topic here. The other one was unfortunate and most of those were an older failure existing for multiple version that was just uncovered by a mostly unrelated change. Changes to SM break add-ons from other sites, which were installed to fix a perceived problem in many cases. I haven't heard stories of any 2.0.x updates breaking any add-ons that were marked compatible with 2.0.*, independent of what site they are from. From my testing of 2.1 I would say that a clear spec of how to write conforming extensions, possibly with some trivial example, is desirable. Feel free to write one up, we are an open community. We are trying to write up and maintain documents about the major changes, but we are simply unable to document every single change, and we have to create the actual application with a very small team first, else there simply isn't anything to document. Robert Kaiser -- Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible arguments that we as a community needs answers to. And most of the time, I even appreciate irony and fun! :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Cannot send except at home
James E. Morrow wrote:
Allow me to jump in here. I'm a Cox HSI customer so I have some
familiarity with port 25 blocking. You may wish to ask your nonISP email
providers what SMTP port to use. This will generally be port 587. If SSL
is used then use port 465. Your email provider (not your ISP) will be
able to tell you what ports and with what settings their server is
listening.
If you are away from home and can't log on to your ISP then you can't
send over their network. Use their web-mail.
When I send emails here at home Cox's MX mail transit servers are the
only Cox servers touching my email, not their SMTP or POP servers.
It has been a couple of decades since I was a systems manager and
I have probably forgotten more about networking than I ever knew! :-(
Can you clarify the hierarchy of the Internet access process?
Where are the Ports and other security-related settings and other
addresses controlled?
e.g. Is Port 25 or 26 or 465 or 587 *always* controlled only by
whatever server controls the In and Out E-mail and Web access
(incl. FTP and VNC)? Or does the ISP (the one I use from Home
or the Wifi at the coffee shop or library or hotel or airport)
have to allow access to those ports?
HOME
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My ISP
My ISP-hosted E-mail In Out Web
E-mail In Out *not* hosted by my ISP
AWAY FROM HOME WIFI
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The Host Wifi (e.g. a coffeehouse)
My ISP-hosted E-mail In Out
E-mail In Out *not* hosted by my ISP
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Re: New Add-ons Manager
On 9/25/10 6:53 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 9/23/10 5:11 PM, David E. Ross wrote: On launching SeaMonkey, I saw a popup informing me that an update to one of my installed add-ons is now available. The message did not say which of 8 add-ons has the update. I consider the failure to identify which add-on has a new update to be a serious problem. I went to the Web sites of all of them. For 7 of them, I can tell there is no new updates. For the DOM Inspector, the Web page at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/ does not display a version number. This add-on was installed with SeaMonkey itself. I did not request it; I don't know how to use it; and I'm not sure I want it. Below is a list of my SeaMonkey add-ons with their version numbers. Can anyone tell me which one has a newer version? Extensions (enabled: 8) * Adblock Plus 1.2.2 (http://adblockplus.org/) * DOM Inspector 2.0.4 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) * Flashblock 1.3.16 (http://flashblock.mozdev.org/) * Live HTTP headers 0.16 * PrefBar 5.1.1 (http://prefbar.mozdev.org/) * Preserve Download Modification Timestamp 2010.09.12.18 * Show Password On Input 0.1.3 (https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/6143/) * ShowIP 0.8.19 (http://code.google.com/p/firefox-showip/) I submitted bug report #599199 regarding the failure to identify the add-on in the notification. That bug report was closed as Invalid because, in a pending upgrade of Add-ons Manager, the notification will no longer appear. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599199. I have the feeling someone didn't understand your original bug, saying We won't fix it, that code is gone when you are seeing that behavior on the current shipping version is a pretty good indication of that. As I understand, users will have one of two choices: * The Add-ons Manager will both automatically detect updates to installed add-ons, download them, and install them. or * Updates will be neither detected, downloaded, nor installed. That is, automatic detection will no longer be possible without automatic installation. Can someone either verify this or tell me where I have this wrong? As long as the manual check doesn't suddenly start installing updates without asking, at least you have a path to do what you want. But having an automatic check and notify is really the preferred behavior, you don't want to do updates without asking, as it changes the behavior in some cases. What you say is true, but it doesn't answer my question. What is really being implemented in the pending Add-ons Manager? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/. Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. © 1997 by David E. Ross ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why so many up-grades?
On 9/25/2010 11:25 AM Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Robert, I agree with the should never break part, but in practice 2.0.7 had major issue for some people and worked poorly or not at all. I didn't have any issue with add-ons, and that is the topic here. The other one was unfortunate and most of those were an older failure existing for multiple version that was just uncovered by a mostly unrelated change. Changes to SM break add-ons from other sites, which were installed to fix a perceived problem in many cases. I haven't heard stories of any 2.0.x updates breaking any add-ons that were marked compatible with 2.0.*, independent of what site they are from. 'Display Mail User Agent' version 1.6.6 does not work with SM 2.0.9pre. I think it quit working around SM 2.0.7 although it is listed as working with SM 2.0.x. (see: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/562/ Version 1.6.5 of Display Mail User Agent continues to work. From my testing of 2.1 I would say that a clear spec of how to write conforming extensions, possibly with some trivial example, is desirable. Feel free to write one up, we are an open community. We are trying to write up and maintain documents about the major changes, but we are simply unable to document every single change, and we have to create the actual application with a very small team first, else there simply isn't anything to document. Robert Kaiser Ed -- http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu/ Powered by SeaMonkey: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for. -Will Rogers (1879-1935) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Anyone else having problems with zap2it?
Hello! (Windows XP Pro SP2, SM 2.0.8) I go to this address: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?zipcode=33570 Then I look through the evening's listings and if there's a show I'm interested in, I right click and open it in a new tab. When I'm done I usually have four or five extra tabs open. I go to each tab and save the page locally. This is where the problem is. Within two or three saves, SM will freeze up in the Save As dialog box. Usually just clicking in the File name area will cause it. At this point, the only thing I can do is go to task manager (where XP says SM is running fine) and kill it. I then run it again, wait for the tabs to load in and continue saving until it freezes up again. This is a real pain in the A$$! The Save As dialog box doesn't operate normally in other ways when saving from that site. For example, if I type in a new name and press enter, it highlights the name instead of accepting the enter as the Save button being pressed. There are many other web sites where I save pages this way. Zap2it.com is the only place I've found where this happens. Thanks for any help, DSF ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Klondike
Does anyone know how to add Klondike solitaire to Seamonkey? Or restore it to the upgraded Firefox? When this add-on was installed on my old version of Firefox I loved it - - - when the upgrade came out Klondike was no longer supported - - - I can't find it as an add-on to any other browser. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Klondike
I have found the best free Solitaire games at: 123freesolitaire.com I have been using it for several years. walter Ron Lesan wrote: Does anyone know how to add Klondike solitaire to Seamonkey? Or restore it to the upgraded Firefox? When this add-on was installed on my old version of Firefox I loved it - - - when the upgrade came out Klondike was no longer supported - - - I can't find it as an add-on to any other browser. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Klondike
I have found the best free Solitaire games at: 123freesolitaire.com I have been using it for several years. walter Ron Lesan wrote: Does anyone know how to add Klondike solitaire to Seamonkey? Or restore it to the upgraded Firefox? When this add-on was installed on my old version of Firefox I loved it - - - when the upgrade came out Klondike was no longer supported - - - I can't find it as an add-on to any other browser. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why doesn't this text print?
On 25.09.2010 18:39, Ron Lesan wrote: --- Original Message --- On Sep 21, 3:17 pm, Jay Garcia j...@jaynospamgarcia.com wrote: On 21.09.2010 16:52, Ray_Net wrote: --- Original Message --- stango wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: Why doesn't the main text on this page print? http://library.thinkquest.org/11572/cc/ It is the way the page is written. A quick work around is to go the page From the Seamonkey FILE menu select EDIT PAGE Once in the editor, From the FILE menu select PRINT and it will print just fine. For me, this is the only way to print it correctly. Thanks for the clue. (IE8 is totally unable to print it :-) ) If the page were to be coded properly there wouldn't be a need for a work around. :-) -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion*www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird I can print it after a capture with SnagIt - - - That doesn't fix the problem, only enables you to print it. I can do the same by choosing to print to my PDF Printer, etc. -- *Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion* www.ufaq.org Netscape - Firefox - SeaMonkey - Flock - Thunderbird ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Print to File in E-Mail - Problems
I just got an E-Mail with a long several page reloading chart. I wanted to print it to a file so that I could print it out with a word processor. Tried to Print to File when I clicked the Print Button. I've never used this function before ! It asked me to give it a file name which I did and when I clicked OK, the system went off to never-never land. Nothing happened - went back to the print menu. Is this a component of SM (1.1) or of Windows XP ? It did not ask anything after I clicked OK - like where to send the file. Help . ? DoctorBill ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why so many up-grades?
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:55:41 -0400, W3BNR wrote: On 9/25/2010 11:25 AM Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: Robert, I agree with the should never break part, but in practice 2.0.7 had major issue for some people and worked poorly or not at all. I didn't have any issue with add-ons, and that is the topic here. The other one was unfortunate and most of those were an older failure existing for multiple version that was just uncovered by a mostly unrelated change. Changes to SM break add-ons from other sites, which were installed to fix a perceived problem in many cases. I haven't heard stories of any 2.0.x updates breaking any add-ons that were marked compatible with 2.0.*, independent of what site they are from. 'Display Mail User Agent' version 1.6.6 does not work with SM 2.0.9pre. I think it quit working around SM 2.0.7 although it is listed as working with SM 2.0.x. (see: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/562/ Version 1.6.5 of Display Mail User Agent continues to work. This last version (1.6.6) doesn´t work with Thunderbird/2.0.0.24 - Build ID: 2010022820 I´ve downgraded to 1.6.5 and works. I´ve sent a mail to the developer but still no answer. So basically it was the author himself that broke his extension (by not testing it in SeaMonkey 2.0/Thunderbird 2.0) and nothing to do with SeaMonkey 2.0.9 itself. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
