Re: SM 2.0.10 Mac - crashing...and crashing...and crashing...

2010-11-29 Thread Rufus

Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:55:38 -0800, Rufus wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:



I said "plugins" e.g. Flash Player.plugin. I didn't say anything about
extensions.

Phil



Gonna have to give me some more info - it doesn't look like I have any
Add-ons installed, only Plugins as listed.

What info specifically do you want? Give me an example of the spec...


I want you to go to the Plugins tab of the Addons Manager and disable
all the plugins there (perhaps with the exception of Flash) as an
experiment. If your crashes stop, then re-enable the plugins one by one
every few days until the crashes come back.

Phil



Actually, the crashes seem to have stopped after I put the installed SM
app in the Trash and did a secure erase of it and any associated Aliases
- then I re-downloaded and reinstalled the SM app; same Profiles,
Add-ons, Extensions, etc. So far I haven't had another cluster of
crashes over two days time.

I've been on the road for a week with my laptop, and now I'm home. I'm
going to continue to monitor as is for a couple more days.

I've only seen this cluster-crash behavior on my MacBook, only recently,
and it's set up to use the same Add-ons, Extensions, etc. as my Intel
and G5 iMacs. Now that I'm home again I can watch/compare all of my
machines/installs.



Well...it looks like after five days of stability SM gave me another 
cluster of crashes tonight - detail below:


Report ID   Date Submitted

bp-a3faf624-6bc4-4995-b3d1-673712101129 11/29/108:30 PM
bp-7abbb60e-6ea2-4349-bb52-f9b142101129 11/29/108:30 PM
bp-16fced93-b8b7-49c1-bc6e-ec3ab2101129 11/29/108:30 PM
bp-60425b74-e133-47ed-a84e-b63e62101129 11/29/108:25 PM
bp-6c1719d5-8cdd-4c86-b647-bde782101124 11/24/108:28 PM
bp-4b4eb8ff-9e8d-4efd-84c0-2b4dc2101124 11/24/108:27 PM
bp-941abcbd-6d2f-419b-a24d-a50452101124 11/24/108:25 PM
bp-0b13f460-1e3b-4018-95f6-190412101124 11/24/108:25 PM
bp-ce939ab6-9166-441e-9c10-735352101124 11/24/108:23 PM
bp-424f7805-96af-4f21-9c2e-255fb2101124 11/24/101:38 PM
bp-1a14ddeb-e6cf-457d-a792-b84042101124 11/24/101:31 PM
bp-5cd20ffa-5772-4b9a-bc48-533c22101124 11/24/101:29 PM
bp-ec60a3af-1376-45af-ba7d-916612101124 11/24/101:29 PM
bp-25694e45-f1d4-405f-8951-957982101124 11/24/101:28 PM
bp-9d437461-1022-4e1a-9a33-617a32101124 11/24/101:28 PM
bp-5e0ad45f-5e43-4059-914c-64cbd2101124 11/24/101:27 PM
bp-752502ae-2354-490d-bff9-cf1872101121 11/21/106:28 PM
bp-94ea66cf-580e-414f-90c3-d4a042101121 11/21/106:27 PM
bp-e308aef6-4f05-4719-8e75-9b59c2101121 11/21/1011:50 AM
bp-4a723b98-d671-44c3-ab78-f485d2101121 11/21/1011:50 AM
bp-d59bbc74-aa7f-45ce-9495-d10d42101121 11/21/1011:50 AM
bp-d8a9dceb-af1e-450e-9396-4a8a02101121 11/21/1011:49 AM
bp-cfb4f38b-adbc-41e9-9c9c-2c0f62101119 11/19/1010:06 PM

In order to stop this cluster I had to reboot - that got me to here, and 
I've now disabled all of my plugins except for Flash and Shockwave.  Now 
to monitor for a few more days...


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SM 2.1b1 Custom Theme only shows up in Browser window, not Mail window :-(

2010-11-29 Thread Michael Lueck

Greetings,

Is theming (like Firefox 3.6.x supports) only enabled in the Browser window of 
SM 2.1?

I installed my fav from Firefox 3.6.x and it only shows up in SM Browser 
windows, not the main Mail window.

Sincerely,

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Re: SOLVED! SM email not properly responding to FF mailto links

2010-11-29 Thread Michael Lueck

NoOp wrote:

On 11/27/2010 12:32 PM, NoOp wrote:
...

Thanks! I'll file a bug for Ubuntu at:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center



[[SeaMonkey/Mozilla] gnome-default-applications.xml defaults for
mail-reader does not handle URL mailto links properly]


Thank you so much. I have subscribed / added my "affects me".

Sincerely,

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Re: Forward / Reply message icons in SM like TB?

2010-11-29 Thread Michael Lueck

Michael Lueck wrote:

Is there a way to get SM to show if a POP email message has been forwarded / 
replied to?

Thunderbird 2.x has arrow icons that appear when a message has had one/both of 
those operations performed.

Since switching to SM, messages only seem to have an envelope icon to the left 
of the subject. I have had to turn on the Status data column to be able to see 
which ones I have replied to.


I just started testing SM 2.1b1 and this is still a concern with the UI.

To me it is lagging behind what Thunderbird 2.x offered.

Could someone please advise if it is possible to borrow that small portion of 
the TB 2.x UI and place it into SM?

Thanks!

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Re: I never knew SM's Mail & Newsgroups could do tabs.

2010-11-29 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Phillip Jones wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Phillip Jones wrote:
>>> Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
 Phillip Jones wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> I just accidently pressed ctrl-T and got a tab in it. Am I the
>> last user to know this? Did SM1 and Mozilla have this too? :(
> 
> No SM couldn't thank goodness. 
> 
> I don't even use tabs in browser for SeaMonkey or in FF. The only
> thing its good for is wasting memory as each tabbed item takes up
> memory.
>> 
>> Tabs use less memory than new windows. 
>> 
 MUCH Less memory than a new window though, fwiw. 
 
>>> But your only viewing each window one at a time. and it replaces in
>>> memory the previous window's contents.
>> 
>>You have a cite for that?  I think you are wrong, and that
>> each window uses its own separate memory that is not freed until the
>> window is closed. 
>> 
>>> Its like a slide show. you completely replace the content in one
>>> window with the content in another window.
>> 
>>If that were true, how come I can see the content in
>> both windows at the same time, one beside the other?  If one of the
>> windows is playing a movie/video, how come the video continues to
>> play when I have another open window beside it? 
>> 
>>> In tabs your saving the content as a separate instance. when you
>>> have more than two tabs in memory that's a big drain on the RAM.
>> 
>> Oh c'mon. I currently have one window with nine tabs open and
>> there's nothing wrong with my RAM. 
>> 
>>> Then the hard drive comes into play and drags everything down
>>> waiting for the swaps. (unless you have one of those solid state
>>> devices). Even that drags the SSD down eventually causing its
>>> demise at shorter interval.
>> 
>> And these final sentences?  You're making stuff up, Phillip. 
>> 
> well if the window for the new item opens [, the new window] doesn't
> close the old one [and] it sure replaces the contents of the old.

[I've filled in a couple words you may have missed typing.]

  Are you trying to imply that the contents of the first window
(let's say showing a youtube video) will remain open, but be replaced by
the contents of a second window (say a page at nytimes.com)? So that you
have _two_ windows showing nytimes.com?

I must say you are seriously confused.

To disprove your allegations, I have just opened a video in the browser
window. Then I opened a second window, and went to another, different,
video. With the two windows positioned side-by-side, the *two* videos
continued to play, each in their own window. The sound was from the
window with focus.

If you are opening windows full-screen instead of smaller and
side-by-side, you might not realize this if one completely covers the
other. I suggest heartily that you experiment (with smaller windows), so
that you see your errors, and don't spread misinformation about window
content in the future. Thanks for your cooperation.

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Re: Is Seamonkey defunct?

2010-11-29 Thread Phillip Jones

Rick Merrill wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

NoOp schrieb:

On 11/24/2010 10:52 PM, Jane_Galt wrote:

Is Seamonkey considered defunct now?


One would think so...

According to:
http://www.mozilla.org/
we've been relegated to the "More Projects" section and don't deserve an
icon on the main section. "Drumbeat" seems to be of more importance than
SeaMonkey to Mozilla&  we don't even come up on the javascript
rollover... If I had any hair left on my head I'd dye it red.


That does not mean that SeaMonkey is "defunct" as a project or as a
product, it's just not in the main focus of Mozilla, and that's
understandable, given that the main focus of Mozilla is bringing the
mission and the open web/Internet forward, and while SeaMonkey supports
that goal, it doesn't do much to actually move things forward.

Robert Kaiser




Glad to hear that because I LOVE SeaMonkey!

What IS the mission statement, and how might the rest of us help?


As I. I use SeaMonkey far more than FireFox. and although I have 
Thunderbird I don't even have it setup.


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Re: I never knew SM's Mail & Newsgroups could do tabs.

2010-11-29 Thread Phillip Jones

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote:


Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 11/27/2010 8:52 PM, Phillip Jones wrote:

Ant wrote:

I just accidently pressed ctrl-T and got a tab in it. Am I the last
user to know this? Did SM1 and Mozilla have this too? :(


No SM couldn't thank goodness.

I don't even use tabs in browser for SeaMonkey or in FF. The only
thing its good for is wasting memory as each tabbed item takes up
memory.


Tabs use less memory than new windows.


MUCH Less memory than a new window though, fwiw.


But your only viewing each window one at a time. and it replaces in
memory the previous window's contents.


   You have a cite for that?  I think you are wrong, and that each
window uses its own separate memory that is not freed until the window
is closed.


Its like a slide show. you completely replace the content in one
window with the content in another window.


   If that were true, how come I can see the content in both
windows at the same time, one beside the other?  If one of the windows
is playing a movie/video, how come the video continues to play when I
have another open window beside it?


In tabs your saving the content as a separate instance. when you have
more than two tabs in memory that's a big drain on the RAM.


Oh c'mon. I currently have one window with nine tabs open and there's
nothing wrong with my RAM.


Then the hard drive comes into play and drags everything down waiting
for the swaps. (unless you have one of those solid state devices).
Even that drags the SSD down eventually causing its demise at shorter
interval.


And these final sentences?  You're making stuff up, Phillip.

well if the window for the new item opens doesn't close the old one it 
sure replaces the contents of the old.


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Re: Adding search to SeaMonkey 2.0

2010-11-29 Thread Edward

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Edward wrote:

I am trying to add AOL Search to SeaMonkey. When I go to the web site
to install it:
https://addons.mozilla.org/seamonkey/downloads/latest/7098/addon-7098-latest.xml?src=search


A popup appears telling me that I need a Mozilla-based browser.


The message is probably a bit imprecise then. You need a browser that
supports OpenSearch. SeaMonkey 2.0 doesn't, SeaMonkey 2.1 will.

HTH

Jens


Yes it does, thank you.

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Re: Is there a way to get more than two email addresses in SM2's address books?

2010-11-29 Thread Gerald Ross

Ant wrote:

Hi!

In SM2's current address books, I could enter two e-mail addresses for
"Email" and "Additional Email" for each contact. Is there a way to add
more "Email" for more addresses? Some contacts have way more than two
e-mail addresses so I had to put the extras into the extras forms like
Others' Notes section. :(



I don't know your needs and am just an old Geezer, but for me it would 
be easier to have different entries for each email address.
For example John Jones Home, John Jones Office,John Jones factory, 
John Jones girlfriend, etc. Then when you hit "J" SM will show a list 
and just pick the one you want. If you want to send the same message 
to all the addresses, Put them in a subdirectory or whatever you call 
it, then just point to the subdirectory and the email will be sent to 
all the addresses. I have that sort of list for my family members.

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Half of the people in the world are
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Re: Spoofing as Firefox

2010-11-29 Thread Ray_Net

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 23:58:58 +0100, Ray_Net
  wrote:


JohnW-Mpls wrote:


Another website ignores Seamonkey so the old question again; what can
I do so websites think my Seamonkey is Firefox?  (or is: IE, Opera,
Safari, whatever, just so my Seamonkey is accepted)


Type: about:config in the browser --->
and add or modify the following:
New string: general.useragent.extra.firefox
- user set - string - NOT Firefox/3.5


Thank you.  I tried it - didn't work.  Ah, well!


This should work  perhaps you must close SM first and restart it.
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Re: Spoofing as Firefox

2010-11-29 Thread Ray_Net

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/28/10 2:59 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/28/10 5:11 AM, JohnW-Mpls wrote:


Another website ignores Seamonkey so the old question again; what can
I do so websites think my Seamonkey is Firefox?  (or is: IE, Opera,
Safari, whatever, just so my Seamonkey is accepted)



See my.  Pay special
attention to the section "Defeating Browser Sniffing".


It seems that SM 2.1 spoof Firefox by default ...


SM 2.1 won't be generally available as a fully tested application until
after New Year.



I was trying to say that we can spoof FireFox with the actual release of 
SM, because in the future he will spoof for you.

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Re: Is there a way to get more than two email addresses in SM2's address books?

2010-11-29 Thread JohnW-Mpls
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:39:16 -0500, Rick Merrill
 wrote:

>S. Beaulieu wrote:
>> u...@domain.invalid a écrit :
>>> Ant wrote:
 Hi!

 In SM2's current address books, I could enter two e-mail addresses for
 "Email" and "Additional Email" for each contact. Is there a way to add
 more "Email" for more addresses? Some contacts have way more than two
 e-mail addresses so I had to put the extras into the extras forms like
 Others' Notes section. :(

 Thank you in advance. :)
>>>
>>> login to company a, apply for email
>>> login to company b, apply for email
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hum, no. That's absolutely not what the question is about. Ant wants to
>> know how to add more than two email addresses for a single person in
>> SM's address book.
>>
>> S.
>
>Why not just give the person an alias?

That's what i do - put a dot at the nd of the display name for the
home (vs work) address.

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Re: Is there a way to get more than two email addresses in SM2's address books?

2010-11-29 Thread Rick Merrill

S. Beaulieu wrote:

u...@domain.invalid a écrit :

Ant wrote:

Hi!

In SM2's current address books, I could enter two e-mail addresses for
"Email" and "Additional Email" for each contact. Is there a way to add
more "Email" for more addresses? Some contacts have way more than two
e-mail addresses so I had to put the extras into the extras forms like
Others' Notes section. :(

Thank you in advance. :)


login to company a, apply for email
login to company b, apply for email




Hum, no. That's absolutely not what the question is about. Ant wants to
know how to add more than two email addresses for a single person in
SM's address book.

S.


Why not just give the person an alias?

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Re: Is there a way to get more than two email addresses in SM2's address books?

2010-11-29 Thread S. Beaulieu

u...@domain.invalid a écrit :

Ant wrote:

Hi!

In SM2's current address books, I could enter two e-mail addresses for
"Email" and "Additional Email" for each contact. Is there a way to add
more "Email" for more addresses? Some contacts have way more than two
e-mail addresses so I had to put the extras into the extras forms like
Others' Notes section. :(

Thank you in advance. :)


login to company a, apply for email
login to company b, apply for email




Hum, no. That's absolutely not what the question is about. Ant wants to 
know how to add more than two email addresses for a single person in 
SM's address book.


S.
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Re: Is there a way to get more than two email addresses in SM2's address books?

2010-11-29 Thread user

Ant wrote:

Hi!

In SM2's current address books, I could enter two e-mail addresses for
"Email" and "Additional Email" for each contact. Is there a way to add
more "Email" for more addresses? Some contacts have way more than two
e-mail addresses so I had to put the extras into the extras forms like
Others' Notes section. :(

Thank you in advance. :)


login to company a, apply for email
login to company b, apply for email

...
...
...

b



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Re: Is there a way to get more than two email addresses in SM2's address books?

2010-11-29 Thread user

Ant wrote:

Hi!

In SM2's current address books, I could enter two e-mail addresses for
"Email" and "Additional Email" for each contact. Is there a way to add
more "Email" for more addresses? Some contacts have way more than two
e-mail addresses so I had to put the extras into the extras forms like
Others' Notes section. :(

Thank you in advance. :)


login to company a, apply for email
login to company b, apply for email

...
...
...

b



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Is there a way to get more than two email addresses in SM2's address books?

2010-11-29 Thread Ant

Hi!

In SM2's current address books, I could enter two e-mail addresses for 
"Email" and "Additional Email" for each contact. Is there a way to add 
more "Email" for more addresses? Some contacts have way more than two 
e-mail addresses so I had to put the extras into the extras forms like 
Others' Notes section. :(


Thank you in advance. :)
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Re: Is Seamonkey defunct?

2010-11-29 Thread Robert Kaiser

Rick Merrill schrieb:

What IS the mission statement, and how might the rest of us help?


Mozilla's mission is to promote openness, innovation and opportunity on 
the web.
See http://www.mozilla.org/about/mission.html for more details, the 
Manifesto that talks about it in more detail, Drumbeat as a movement to 
bring a wider audience behind the mission, etc.


Note that the key thing for where Mozilla places its core focus is the 
largest possible impact in bringing that mission forward.
As I said, SeaMonkey clearly reflects the mission, but its impact in 
driving it forward is rather small, so while Mozilla wants SeaMonkey to 
exist and supports it with some resources, it doesn't place any focus on 
this project.


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Re: I never knew SM's Mail & Newsgroups could do tabs.

2010-11-29 Thread Ant

On 11/28/2010 8:17 PM PT, Chris Ilias typed:


I just accidently pressed ctrl-T and got a tab in it. Am I the last user
to know this? Did SM1 and Mozilla have this too? :(


Just in case it hasn't been made clear, tabbed mail is new in SeaMonkey
2.0.



Thanks. So it was added in v2. :)
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Re: Is Seamonkey defunct?

2010-11-29 Thread Rick Merrill

Robert Kaiser wrote:

NoOp schrieb:

On 11/24/2010 10:52 PM, Jane_Galt wrote:

Is Seamonkey considered defunct now?


One would think so...

According to:
http://www.mozilla.org/
we've been relegated to the "More Projects" section and don't deserve an
icon on the main section. "Drumbeat" seems to be of more importance than
SeaMonkey to Mozilla& we don't even come up on the javascript
rollover... If I had any hair left on my head I'd dye it red.


That does not mean that SeaMonkey is "defunct" as a project or as a
product, it's just not in the main focus of Mozilla, and that's
understandable, given that the main focus of Mozilla is bringing the
mission and the open web/Internet forward, and while SeaMonkey supports
that goal, it doesn't do much to actually move things forward.

Robert Kaiser




Glad to hear that because I LOVE SeaMonkey!

What IS the mission statement, and how might the rest of us help?


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Re: empty trash on exit

2010-11-29 Thread Rick Merrill

Smiles wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

Is it true that the trash is only "emptied"
when you exit all SeaMonkey instantiations and not
just when you exit the SM email/news reader?

you can empty it at any time then I recommend compacting once a month or
so which permanently trashes them




I think you are correct that the raw information lives on the disk even after the 
"trash has been emptied" - but if you have data so sensitive that you are worried

about latent images of the data you should be using another method of 
protection ;-)


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Re: I never knew SM's Mail & Newsgroups could do tabs.

2010-11-29 Thread S. Beaulieu

Rufus a écrit :


I generally don't leave more than one tab open during a session, but I
do use them during just about every session. Mainly with the Browser,
not so much with Mail/News...but that habit may change.



It depends what you use your browser for. At home, I do the same you do 
but at work, I always have 7 tabs open (one databank in each). There is 
no noticeable slowdown and I don't have a fancy shmancy system or 
anything, so I don't know what Phillip's trouble is re: tabs.


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Re: Is Seamonkey defunct?

2010-11-29 Thread Robert Kaiser

NoOp schrieb:

On 11/24/2010 10:52 PM, Jane_Galt wrote:

Is Seamonkey considered defunct now?


One would think so...

According to:
http://www.mozilla.org/
we've been relegated to the "More Projects" section and don't deserve an
icon on the main section. "Drumbeat" seems to be of more importance than
SeaMonkey to Mozilla&  we don't even come up on the javascript
rollover... If I had any hair left on my head I'd dye it red.


That does not mean that SeaMonkey is "defunct" as a project or as a 
product, it's just not in the main focus of Mozilla, and that's 
understandable, given that the main focus of Mozilla is bringing the 
mission and the open web/Internet forward, and while SeaMonkey supports 
that goal, it doesn't do much to actually move things forward.


Robert Kaiser


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Re: SM 2.0.10 crash

2010-11-29 Thread Ray_Net

Chris Ilias wrote:

On 10-11-27 9:54 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

Chris Ilias wrote:


Your crash signature is:
GetAdvanceForGlyphs

There is a bug report for that at
, but it was fixed
5 months before SeaMonkey 2.0 was released.

Does the crash always occur when composing a message?


The already posted bug "resolved" speak about x86 Mac OSX FireFox
Unknown crash ID (error not really the same)

And mine is Windows XP SP3 SeaMonkey with the crash ID
"bp-8ee1cb47-0e72-45c3-a70e-898c02101124" giving error
"EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION_READ"

This looks NOT the same problem ...


I don't know, but it has the same crash signature. The "Crash Reason" is
not really indicative of the cause. It's like citing "couldn't access a
needed file".

For instance, if you go to , and click
on any of the top crashers (which are identified by signature), you'll
see the same reason for many signatures.


Going back to my question, does the crash always occur when composing a
message? I'm not sure I got an answer to that.


I had answered: "I just had this once ... "  but not in the same reply.
May be, with only one occurence, it's not interesting to pursue ...
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