SeaMonkey Triage Week - Résumé

2010-12-12 Thread Bruno Escherl 
Our first triage week is over. Thanks to all of you who have helped 
getting the UNCO bug count smaller!


I still need to do a round-up of the numbers, but as a start just have a 
look at http://dev.seamonkey.at/?d=x&i=mozilla&m=b :)


Thank you again and perhaps some of you will participate in our regular 
work. We hope to see you!


Bruno
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Re: Image blocking in SM v.2.0.10 and SM v.2.0.11

2010-12-12 Thread Philip Chee 
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:58:32 -0500, HenriK wrote:

> Although I appreciate Mr. Ross' suggestion, I have now discovered that 
> the problem is more nuanced than I had suspected.  First, image 
> downloads from all sites has been enabled and always has been.
> 
> If one is operating as a user with Windows XP administrative rights, 
> everything operates fine.  If, however, you operate as a user with 
> Windows XP limited rights, as is generally recommended for day-to-day 
> use, the problem I originally described occurs.  It does not matter 
> whether Avast! is enabled or disabled in either case.  I also made 
> certain that image downloads were allowed from all sites in both modes 
> of operation.  In addition, I upgraded to SM 2.0.11 and that also made 
> no difference in the problem.

This implies that you have some sort of system wide image blocker
possibly part of some firewall package. I do know that ZoneAlarm Pro has
certain privacy settings that can block images. And consumer firewall
packages have to be configured on a per user basis usually.

Phil

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Re: image properties reset to default

2010-12-12 Thread David E. Ross 
On 12/12/10 12:07 PM, beric wrote:
> After a recent upgrade to 2.0.11 on OSX 4.6.5, my user (wife :-) )
> discovered that image properties set in the composer are not
> retained.  For example, in the location tab, selecting "Don't use
> alternate text" is not retained; in the Dimensions tab, changes made
> in "Custom Size" are lost and reset to "Actual Size".
> 
> Is there some place to hardcode these changes?  Is it a bug?
> 
> Thanks -

If your wife is composing Web pages, alternate text for an image is
required by the HTML specifications.

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because of spam from that source.
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Re: Image blocking in SM v.2.0.10 and SM v.2.0.11

2010-12-12 Thread Heikki Jussila 
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 18:58, HenriK  wrote:

> HenriK wrote:
>
>> For reasons that I can not sort out, images are being blocked in SM
>> 2.0.10 used with my 933 mHz Dell 4100 using Windows XP-Home SP3 and
>> Avast! security software.
>>
>> Specifically, the background maps when I go to Mapquest won't appear at
>> all and images on e-Bay often appear for a second or two and then
>> disappear. In both cases, SM is set to allow images from these two
>> sites. Text displays correctly. Turning off Avast! doesn't fix the
>> problem either.
>>
>> Could this problem be caused by an SM Add-On or is it more likely to be
>> a preference setting that I don't know about?
>>
>> Any help and/or suggestions will be gratefully received.
>>
>
>
> Although I appreciate Mr. Ross' suggestion, I have now discovered that the
> problem is more nuanced than I had suspected.  First, image downloads from
> all sites has been enabled and always has been.
>
> If one is operating as a user with Windows XP administrative rights,
> everything operates fine.  If, however, you operate as a user with Windows
> XP limited rights, as is generally recommended for day-to-day use, the
> problem I originally described occurs.  It does not matter whether Avast! is
> enabled or disabled in either case.  I also made certain that image
> downloads were allowed from all sites in both modes of operation.  In
> addition, I upgraded to SM 2.0.11 and that also made no difference in the
> problem.
>
> From the above, I make the wild guess that there is something at system
level that blocks images. When you have admin rights you (the program SM in
this case) has the right to download and show everything, but when you work
with limited user rights there might be problems, since SM might use a
directory that is at system level and at this point the system does not
allow images any more. I myself found that using Win XP as a restricted user
was almost impossible. Most programs (even those of MS) require that you
have admin rights or you need to define relatively high level rights to a
user in order to get things moving.

Check if the SM has write-read rights to the temp (cache) directory at user
level when looking at the sites (also javascript etc. as some images arrive
with AJAX and if at user level javascript or any other script is stopped
that could inhibit the images.

Accordingly, it would appear to me that something really odd is going on in
> the way SM v.2.x interacts with the different user modes (with admin rights
> and without admin rights) of Windows XP-Home.  It would be appreciated if
> anyone with a really thorough knowledge of SM v.2.x can explain what may be
> going on and/or can advise me how to solve the problem I have described.
>

I do not any more have WIN XP, but even on Windows Vista/Win 7 SM needs to
be installed as an admin and when used with limited account, windows stops
some operations (most notably updating to a new version), but also other
things. I have only used Firefox as limited user on WIN7, but found that
many things I could do as an admin on my Vista machine where not possibile,
however, the missing update was the most problematic, so to give also to the
Win7 notebook the possibility to update itself I changed the user as an
admin - the version is Home Premium.

I have the suspect that many Windows programs still need to be run as an
admin, althougth it is less safe and can create problems, but it seems that
it is the only simple way (especially with the home editions that do not
have group policy tools where you can set users rights properly, if you use
a professional/ulimate version then you can make user rights so that they
really do function, ie. like the old Win2K power user used to have).

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image properties reset to default

2010-12-12 Thread beric 
After a recent upgrade to 2.0.11 on OSX 4.6.5, my user (wife :-) )
discovered that image properties set in the composer are not
retained.  For example, in the location tab, selecting "Don't use
alternate text" is not retained; in the Dimensions tab, changes made
in "Custom Size" are lost and reset to "Actual Size".

Is there some place to hardcode these changes?  Is it a bug?

Thanks -
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Re: Image blocking in SM v.2.0.10 and SM v.2.0.11

2010-12-12 Thread HenriK 

HenriK wrote:

For reasons that I can not sort out, images are being blocked in SM
2.0.10 used with my 933 mHz Dell 4100 using Windows XP-Home SP3 and
Avast! security software.

Specifically, the background maps when I go to Mapquest won't appear at
all and images on e-Bay often appear for a second or two and then
disappear. In both cases, SM is set to allow images from these two
sites. Text displays correctly. Turning off Avast! doesn't fix the
problem either.

Could this problem be caused by an SM Add-On or is it more likely to be
a preference setting that I don't know about?

Any help and/or suggestions will be gratefully received.



Although I appreciate Mr. Ross' suggestion, I have now discovered that 
the problem is more nuanced than I had suspected.  First, image 
downloads from all sites has been enabled and always has been.


If one is operating as a user with Windows XP administrative rights, 
everything operates fine.  If, however, you operate as a user with 
Windows XP limited rights, as is generally recommended for day-to-day 
use, the problem I originally described occurs.  It does not matter 
whether Avast! is enabled or disabled in either case.  I also made 
certain that image downloads were allowed from all sites in both modes 
of operation.  In addition, I upgraded to SM 2.0.11 and that also made 
no difference in the problem.


Accordingly, it would appear to me that something really odd is going on 
in the way SM v.2.x interacts with the different user modes (with admin 
rights and without admin rights) of Windows XP-Home.  It would be 
appreciated if anyone with a really thorough knowledge of SM v.2.x can 
explain what may be going on and/or can advise me how to solve the 
problem I have described.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update

2010-12-12 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov 
Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:39:19 -0600, /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/:

> The trailing space problem was not only about the sig-sep, but about the
> entire body as well, as I recall.

Mozilla Mail has always stripped trailing spaces (excluding the
standard sig' delimiter).  This is more or less required when
sending format=flowed (the default), but is also true when sending
format=flowed is disabled.  Don't know how bad this is.  Here's a
relevant Bugzilla entry:

"paste unwrapped/preformatted to plain-text mail"


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update

2010-12-12 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

> /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/:
>> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
>>> Actually Outlook Express doesn't strip the space after the standard
>>> sig' delimiter and even supports format=flowed to some extend for
>>> some years now.  I don't have references handy to backup these
>>> statements, but I've observed this by performing test posts using
>>> Outlook Express number of times.
>> 
>> Perhaps it depends upon the individual users' settings. 
>> 
>> Did you have the OE-QuoteFix installed?  (supposed to cure the
>> problem) I don't have an OE to test, as I stopped using Windows over
>> five years ago.
> 
> I think it doesn't depend on user's settings.  During my tests I
> didn't have OE-QuoteFix installed, although I had used it many years
> ago for a short period I had primarily used Outlook Express for Mail
> and News. 
> 
> I've found: 
> "OE signature separator in news messages not RFC compliant - Fixed"
>  
> 
> The cumulative update which fixes the problem appears dated
> 10/30/2002.

It goes on to say that Windows XP SP1 is required for that update
(leaves out Windows 2000/Windows 98 users), and that it was not an
automatic update.  "This is not a critical update and so will probably
not appear on Windows Update." -- which might indicate that many never
got it.

The trailing space problem was not only about the sig-sep, but about the
entire body as well, as I recall.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update

2010-12-12 Thread Robert Kaiser 

Bret Busby schrieb:

I understood that SUSE is now owned by Microsoft, and is thence, likely
to follow Microsoft policies and procedures.


That's not just Bullshit, it's also some badly informed FUD-spreading.
In fact, openSUSE is not even owned by 
Novell-now-subsidiary-of-Attachmate, it's completely a community distro, 
even though it's heavily sponsored by them. And Attachmate, who now owns 
Novell (who acquired the commercial SUSE branch and founded the openSUSE 
community) is not owned by Microsoft in any way I know of. It's just 
that a Microsoft-affiliated company acquired some patents from Novell 
when the latter was acquired by Attachm,ate.

Please inform yourself before talking trash.


As for the rest of the message, I have already addressed those issues,
in a previous posting just sent by me to the list.


As did I in the message you don't think you reasonably want to reply to.

Robert Kaiser

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update

2010-12-12 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov 
Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:24:40 -0500, /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/:
> Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
> 
>> Actually Outlook Express doesn't strip the space after the standard
>> sig' delimiter and even supports format=flowed to some extend for
>> some years now.  I don't have references handy to backup these
>> statements, but I've observed this by performing test posts using
>> Outlook Express number of times.
> 
> Perhaps it depends upon the individual users' settings.
> 
> Did you have the OE-QuoteFix installed?  (supposed to cure the problem)
> I don't have an OE to test, as I stopped using Windows over five years
> ago.

I think it doesn't depend on user's settings.  During my tests I
didn't have OE-QuoteFix installed, although I had used it many years
ago for a short period I had primarily used Outlook Express for Mail
and News.

I've found:

"OE signature separator in news messages not RFC compliant - Fixed"


The cumulative update which fixes the problem appears dated 10/30/2002.

Initial format=flowed support seems dated at least since the end of
2005 seeing the given discussion:

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2005065152472

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update

2010-12-12 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

> /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/:
>> Mr Busby posted via the email mailing list entry point using:
 User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14)
>> rather than a newsreader. Perhaps it strips off end-of-line spaces
>> like, um, Outlook Express ... 
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28e-mail_client%29
> 
> Actually Outlook Express doesn't strip the space after the standard
> sig' delimiter and even supports format=flowed to some extend for
> some years now.  I don't have references handy to backup these
> statements, but I've observed this by performing test posts using
> Outlook Express number of times.

Perhaps it depends upon the individual users' settings.

Did you have the OE-QuoteFix installed?  (supposed to cure the problem)
I don't have an OE to test, as I stopped using Windows over five years
ago.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update

2010-12-12 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov 
Sun, 12 Dec 2010 06:30:57 -0600, /Beauregard T. Shagnasty/:

> Mr Busby posted via the email mailing list entry point using:
>>> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14)
> rather than a newsreader. Perhaps it strips off end-of-line spaces like,
> um, Outlook Express ... 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28e-mail_client%29

Actually Outlook Express doesn't strip the space after the standard
sig' delimiter and even supports format=flowed to some extend for
some years now.  I don't have references handy to backup these
statements, but I've observed this by performing test posts using
Outlook Express number of times.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update

2010-12-12 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

> Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:11:59 +0800 (WST), /Bret Busby/:
>> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, WLS wrote:
>> 
>>> Pure FUD!
>> 
>> ?
> 
> I guess WLS was answering to:
> 
> Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:56:22 +0800 (WST), /Bret Busby/:
> 
>> I understood that SUSE is now owned by Microsoft, and is thence, likely
>> to follow Microsoft policies and procedures.
> 
> Please use a standard signature delimiter line of "-- ", that is two
> dashes followed by a space, in order to have your over-lengthy
> signature stripped automatically on reply.

Mr Busby posted via the email mailing list entry point using:
>> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14)
rather than a newsreader. Perhaps it strips off end-of-line spaces like,
um, Outlook Express ... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28e-mail_client%29

Regarding his allegation that Microsoft owns SUSE ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_distributions
says that it is a Novell product... so maybe there is the FUD!  :-)

Yes, Mr Busby's sig block exceeds the recommended max of four lines.

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SeaMonkey Triage Week - Grand Finale (Day 7)

2010-12-12 Thread Bruno Escherl 
Today is the last day of our triage week where we want to tackle our 
General component.


For more information have a look at our Triage Week Guide [1] and don't 
hesitate to join us on irc.mozilla.org in channel #seamonkey and ask for 
help!


The time slots on IRC are:

* 1200-1400 UTC Asia / Pacific
* 1900-2100 UTC Europe / Africa / Near East
* 0100-0300 UTC North-/South America

[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Triage_Week_Guide
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update

2010-12-12 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov 
Sun, 12 Dec 2010 13:11:59 +0800 (WST), /Bret Busby/:
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, WLS wrote:
> 
>> Pure FUD!
> 
> ?

I guess WLS was answering to:

Sat, 11 Dec 2010 12:56:22 +0800 (WST), /Bret Busby/:

> I understood that SUSE is now owned by Microsoft, and is thence, likely
> to follow Microsoft policies and procedures.

Please use a standard signature delimiter line of "-- ", that is two
dashes followed by a space, in order to have your over-lengthy
signature stripped automatically on reply.

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>   A Trilogy In Four Parts",
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>   published by Pan Books, 1992
> 
> 

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