Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[David E. Ross]

On 1/11/11 4:38 AM, John wrote:
> Ray_Net wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 1/10/11 2:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
 John wrote:
> When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
> with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
> prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
> Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
> Thanks!

 I think that if you close all expanded stuffs  just before leaving
 completely SM before going to shutdown your pc and before going to
 sleep. The next morning started the pc and started SM ... you will find
 it in the same situation of yesterday ... all is closed.
>>>
>>> This is Bug 507908, which some developers think might be a feature. I
>>> think it is indeed a bug -- a regression from Tbird 2 -- and should be
>>> fixed.
>>>
>>> See.
>>>
>>
>> How can i vote negatively ?
>> Because i love this bug ... you will find expanded/closed as it was
>> before the closing of SM, So you retrieve the latest situation at start up.
> 
> That is not what is happening. When the newsserver lists open expanded I 
> always collapse them. The "bug" is that when I close the mail/news 
> reader with the listings collapsed, they are expanded again *sometimes* 
> when I next start mail/news. If they came back the way I left them when 
> I last closed the app, I wouldn't be complaining about it.
> 
> John

If you mean that individual newsgroup threads are expanded within a
newsgroup, that is a different issue.  That is bug #232562.  There is a
workaround for this.  Either through [Tools > Options > Advanced >
Config Editor] or by editing the user.js file in your profile, set the
preference variable mailnews.scroll_to_new_message to "false".  See
.

If you mean that a news-mail account is expanded, that is bug 507908,
which I cited earlier in this thread.

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: New Question About 2.1 Bookmarks

[David E. Ross]

On 1/11/11 12:55 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> In Netscape's Navigator 4.x, there was a capability to set bookmark
>> shortcuts.  I could set a bookmark in one place within my bookmarks file
>> and then set a pointer to that bookmark in another place within the same
>> file.  That pointer was a shortcut and was used as if it were a regular
>> bookmark.  If I changed the actual bookmark (e.g., if the URI changed),
>> that change would be reflected in all the shortcuts.  That way, I could
>> file copies of a bookmark in several different folders in the file but
>> would have to maintain only one instance of the bookmark.
>>
>> I think this capability disappeared in Mozilla Suite.  Will it be
>> restored in SaeMonkey 2.1?
>>
> 
> In a certain point of vue, a bookmark *is* a shortcut.
> Why did you need a shorcut of a shortcut ? Duplicating the places where 
> you can jump to a site ?

For this discussion, "shortcut" does NOT mean an Internet shortcut as
defined by Microsoft.  Instead, it means a pseudo-bookmark in the
bookmarks file that merely points to an actual bookmark in that same file.

I'll give just three examples of how I want to use this, but I have many
more.

In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "creating Web sites"; it contains
a sub-folder named "Font Selections".  I also have a folder named
"fonts".  There are Web sites that relate both to selecting fonts for
Web pages and to downloading fonts.  I would like to bookmark those Web
sites both in ["creating Web sites" > "Font Selections"] and in "fonts".

In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "Weather".  I also have a folder
named "Nature, Science, and Technology".  I would like to bookmark the
Web site "Bad Meteorology" at
 in both folders.

In my bookmarks, I have a folder named "$$$"; it contains a sub-folder
named "taxes" with sub-sub-folders "Federal" and "California".  I also
have a folder named "Gov't, Politics, & the Law"; it contains
sub-folders named "U. S. Govt" and "California".  The "U. S. Govt"
sub-folder contains a sub-sub-folder named "Executive".  I want
bookmarks to the IRS Web site at  both in
["$$$" > "taxes" > "Federal"] and in ["Gov't, Politics, & the Law" > "U.
S. Govt" > "Executive"].  I want bookmarks to the Franchise Tax Board
Web site at  both in ["$$$" > "taxes" >
"California"] and in ["Gov't, Politics, & the Law" > "California"].

I did this with Netscape Navigator 4.7.  If a URI changed, I only had to
change it in the actual bookmark; the change would also apply to its
shortcuts.  When I transitioned to Mozilla Suite, all my bookmark
shortcuts were converted into actual bookmarks because the capability
for shortcuts had been eliminated.  Now, several years later, I still
find occasional duplicate bookmarks that no longer have the same URI.

I have approximately 1,000 bookmarks organized in over 120 folders,
sub-folders, and sub-sub-folders.

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because of spam from that source.
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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Michael Gordon]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Michael Gordon wrote:

When is a new bookmark set in the data file?


If by data file you mean the Places database SQLite file, then AFAIK
that will be a few moments (between milliseconds and seconds) after the
bookmark has been created (or otherwise changed, this also applies to
changes to existing bookmarks!), i.e. it's asynchronous.


Is it set the moment the user sets a web page as a bookmark?


AFAIK not the very moment; instead it's first written to memory (RAM),
then after some time flushed to disk. If the flushing to disk fails, the
change is lost. What the database ensures however is that the it stays
consistent, i.e. you either have the state before the change or the
state afterward, but never something else (provided the disk is OK of
course).


Is it set when SM is closed?


Of course, if SM is closed, the file is also written to disk if
previously accumulated changes have not been written to disk yet. It's
only the bookmarks.html export file that is only written to disk upon
exiting the application (if you tell it to do that via a pref).


If the bookmark is recorded in the data file the instant the user sets a
web page as a bookmark it won't matter what happens to SM a few moments
later, the bookmark will be set and recorded in the data file and ready
for instant use.


The system does not guarantee that any change you make stays persistent;
I should have been clearer about that. Only changes that have been
written to the database completely stay persistent. Those are safe then,
though.

HTH

Jens

Thank you for clearing up the confusion on the Bookmarks, their storage, 
and recovery.  It sounds to me like you have taken all the precautions 
possible to save and recover bookmarks.


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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Jens Hatlak]

Michael Gordon wrote:

When is a new bookmark set in the data file?


If by data file you mean the Places database SQLite file, then AFAIK 
that will be a few moments (between milliseconds and seconds) after the 
bookmark has been created (or otherwise changed, this also applies to 
changes to existing bookmarks!), i.e. it's asynchronous.



Is it set the moment the user sets a web page as a bookmark?


AFAIK not the very moment; instead it's first written to memory (RAM), 
then after some time flushed to disk. If the flushing to disk fails, the 
change is lost. What the database ensures however is that the it stays 
consistent, i.e. you either have the state before the change or the 
state afterward, but never something else (provided the disk is OK of 
course).



Is it set when SM is closed?


Of course, if SM is closed, the file is also written to disk if 
previously accumulated changes have not been written to disk yet. It's 
only the bookmarks.html export file that is only written to disk upon 
exiting the application (if you tell it to do that via a pref).



If the bookmark is recorded in the data file the instant the user sets a
web page as a bookmark it won't matter what happens to SM a few moments
later, the bookmark will be set and recorded in the data file and ready
for instant use.


The system does not guarantee that any change you make stays persistent; 
I should have been clearer about that. Only changes that have been 
written to the database completely stay persistent. Those are safe then, 
though.


HTH

Jens

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Michael Gordon]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the
DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up?


The HTML file is not the backup, it's just for those users who somehow
need or want to have it. HTML files are only for export and import, i.e.
the user, not the system itself. The new bookmarks back-end, Places,
uses a (transactional) database for storage, and the JSON format
(JavaScript) for backups, which are created automatically and can easily
be restored using the new Bookmarks Manager.

So provided you don't suffer from a hard disk breakage (SM's internal
backup of course doesn't free you from creating system backups!), you
should never permanently lose any of your bookmarks without your
explicit consent. You could get temporary inconsistencies between the
internal bookmarks storage and bookmarks.html, though (e.g. if the
latter could not be written due to a crash). In that case, just restart
SM and exit cleanly or export manually.

HTH

Jens



Jens,

Lets take a look back a few steps.
When is a new bookmark set in the data file?
Is it set the moment the user sets a web page as a bookmark?
Is it set when SM is closed?

If the bookmark is recorded in the data file the instant the user sets a 
web page as a bookmark it won't matter what happens to SM a few moments 
later, the bookmark will be set and recorded in the data file and ready 
for instant use.


Michael
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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Jens Hatlak]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the
DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up?


The HTML file is not the backup, it's just for those users who somehow 
need or want to have it. HTML files are only for export and import, i.e. 
the user, not the system itself. The new bookmarks back-end, Places, 
uses a (transactional) database for storage, and the JSON format 
(JavaScript) for backups, which are created automatically and can easily 
be restored using the new Bookmarks Manager.


So provided you don't suffer from a hard disk breakage (SM's internal 
backup of course doesn't free you from creating system backups!), you 
should never permanently lose any of your bookmarks without your 
explicit consent. You could get temporary inconsistencies between the 
internal bookmarks storage and bookmarks.html, though (e.g. if the 
latter could not be written due to a crash). In that case, just restart 
SM and exit cleanly or export manually.


HTH

Jens

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Re: E-mail rejected, whose problem?

[Michael Gordon]

Stan wrote:

RESOLVER.RST.AuthRequired; authentication required


It looks to me like your messages from Comcast to one addressee is being 
rejected by that account server.  Check with Comcast support to 
configure your outgoing SMTP server to authenticate your outgoing messages.


Once you have configured an authSMTP server account in SM Mail accounts 
you can then set that SMTP account as the default SMTP for all yout 
outgoing mail.


If you have 2 or more mail accounts in SM you can have separate SMTP 
servers for each account; one as default, and another for all other 
accounts.


The reason for authSMTP is to better control Spam messaging through mail 
relay servers.  Using authmail means that every message sent must be 
authrized with your account name and password.


Michael
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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Lucas Levrel wrote:


Le 10 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :


One thing I've always wished for with groupmarks is behavior similar
to that of ordinary bookmarks when a blank window is open. With an
ordinary bookmark, opening it from a blank navigator window puts the
contents in that blank window. But with a groupmark, opening it from a
blank navigator window leaves one blank tab where the open window sat,
and opens the various bookmarks in new tabs. So a groupmark with five
links yields six tabs, one of them blank.


Except if you set groupmarks to replace existing tabs in Prefs.


But I only want it to replace /blank/ tabs.

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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[JAS]

John wrote:
> Ray_Net wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> On 1/10/11 2:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
 John wrote:
> When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
> with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
> prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
> Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
> Thanks!

 I think that if you close all expanded stuffs  just before leaving
 completely SM before going to shutdown your pc and before going to
 sleep. The next morning started the pc and started SM ... you will
 find
 it in the same situation of yesterday ... all is closed.
>>>
>>> This is Bug 507908, which some developers think might be a feature. I
>>> think it is indeed a bug -- a regression from Tbird 2 -- and should be
>>> fixed.
>>>
>>> See.
>>>
>>
>> How can i vote negatively ?
>> Because i love this bug ... you will find expanded/closed as it was
>> before the closing of SM, So you retrieve the latest situation at
>> start up.
>
> That is not what is happening. When the newsserver lists open expanded
> I always collapse them. The "bug" is that when I close the mail/news
> reader with the listings collapsed, they are expanded again
> *sometimes* when I next start mail/news. If they came back the way I
> left them when I last closed the app, I wouldn't be complaining about it.
>
> John
Mine has done exactly that for sometime now, through several versions ,
not just since the last update. It might happen once a week or so and I
shut down nightly. Only one of my news servers does not open when the
others do. At times the ones that are open have not checked for new
messages until I close them and reopen.

JAS

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E-mail rejected, whose problem?

[Stan]

I sent and received rejection of an E-mail.

Comcast says: Stanley, I have reviewed your email and the error message 
you are

getting when you send an email message is not on Comcast boundaries
anymore. If you are using email clients such as Outlook or Microsoft
Exchange, kindly contact Microsoft technical support. You can also visit
Microsoft Knowledge base for fixes from this kind of errors.

I am using SeaMonkey 2.0.11.  Does it really make sense to look for a 
solution in Outlool or Microsoft Exchange?


Anyone know what has happened to cause rejection.?

Stan

Here is the rejection info:

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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[John]

Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/10/11 2:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

John wrote:

When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
Thanks!


I think that if you close all expanded stuffs  just before leaving
completely SM before going to shutdown your pc and before going to
sleep. The next morning started the pc and started SM ... you will find
it in the same situation of yesterday ... all is closed.


This is Bug 507908, which some developers think might be a feature. I
think it is indeed a bug -- a regression from Tbird 2 -- and should be
fixed.

See.



How can i vote negatively ?
Because i love this bug ... you will find expanded/closed as it was
before the closing of SM, So you retrieve the latest situation at start up.


That is not what is happening. When the newsserver lists open expanded I 
always collapse them. The "bug" is that when I close the mail/news 
reader with the listings collapsed, they are expanded again *sometimes* 
when I next start mail/news. If they came back the way I left them when 
I last closed the app, I wouldn't be complaining about it.


John
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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[W3BNR]

On 1/11/2011 3:52 AM Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/10/11 2:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

John wrote:

When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
Thanks!


I think that if you close all expanded stuffs  just before leaving
completely SM before going to shutdown your pc and before going to
sleep. The next morning started the pc and started SM ... you will find
it in the same situation of yesterday ... all is closed.


This is Bug 507908, which some developers think might be a feature. I
think it is indeed a bug -- a regression from Tbird 2 -- and should be
fixed.

See.



How can i vote negatively ?
Because i love this bug ... you will find expanded/closed as it was
before the closing of SM, So you retrieve the latest situation at start up.


I also prefer to have it the way it was when I closed SM.  I have one news group 
that I prefer expanded and others I don't.  Perhaps a configuration option on 
each news group a user has rather than cut and dried expanded or not expanded?


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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 10 janvier 2011, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :

One thing I've always wished for with groupmarks is behavior similar to that 
of ordinary bookmarks when a blank window is open. With an ordinary bookmark, 
opening it from a blank navigator window puts the contents in that blank 
window. But with a groupmark, opening it from a blank navigator window leaves 
one blank tab where the open window sat, and opens the various bookmarks in 
new tabs. So a groupmark with five links yields six tabs, one of them blank.


Except if you set groupmarks to replace existing tabs in Prefs.

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Re: New Question About 2.1 Bookmarks

[Ray_Net]

David E. Ross wrote:

In Netscape's Navigator 4.x, there was a capability to set bookmark
shortcuts.  I could set a bookmark in one place within my bookmarks file
and then set a pointer to that bookmark in another place within the same
file.  That pointer was a shortcut and was used as if it were a regular
bookmark.  If I changed the actual bookmark (e.g., if the URI changed),
that change would be reflected in all the shortcuts.  That way, I could
file copies of a bookmark in several different folders in the file but
would have to maintain only one instance of the bookmark.

I think this capability disappeared in Mozilla Suite.  Will it be
restored in SaeMonkey 2.1?



In a certain point of vue, a bookmark *is* a shortcut.
Why did you need a shorcut of a shortcut ? Duplicating the places where 
you can jump to a site ?

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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[Ray_Net]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/10/11 2:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

John wrote:

When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
Thanks!


I think that if you close all expanded stuffs  just before leaving
completely SM before going to shutdown your pc and before going to
sleep. The next morning started the pc and started SM ... you will find
it in the same situation of yesterday ... all is closed.


This is Bug 507908, which some developers think might be a feature.  I
think it is indeed a bug -- a regression from Tbird 2 -- and should be
fixed.

See.



How can i vote negatively ?
Because i love this bug ... you will find expanded/closed as it was 
before the closing of SM, So you retrieve the latest situation at start up.

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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[Ant]

On 1/10/2011 9:46 AM PT, John typed:


When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
Thanks!


I also find this annoying too. :(
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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

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On 1/10/2011 4:49 PM PT, David E. Ross typed:


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507908


Thanks. I added my two cents and a vote. :)
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