Re: How to handle emails with different character encoding

2011-02-18 Thread flyguy 

On 2/18/2011 4:45 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

flyguy wrote:


Most of the emails I get display correctly with Western (ISO-8859-1),
but a few have some strange characters (e.g., †) unless I select
Unicode (UTF-8). Occasionally, this also happens on web sites. The Help
info doesn't seem to match my choices in Preferences.

Is there anyway to have SM 2 use the correct encoding automatically?


Yes and no.

Most emails sent to you have info in the (hidden) header that tells the
receiving program (in our case, SeaMonkey) what encoding to use. For
example, your post said:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Sometimes (especially with webmails), this information is absent, so
SeaMonkey will fall back on whatever default you have set. If you look
at your prefs under Mail & Newsgroups | Character Encoding, the first
setting is your default for message display. If most of your
correspondence is in Western, this is a good choice.

And sometimes the sending program lies to SeaMonkey and specifies an
encoding different from the one used to compose the message.

In cases where the info is absent or the sending program lies, you have
to manually select the correct encoding. Sorry. But when the incoming
message is well-formed (contains accurate info on encoding), SeaMonkey
does automatically select the correct encoding.

The situation with websites is similar. If they tell the truth,
SeaMonkey is fine. If they are silent or misleading, SeaMonkey can guess
wrong or be deceived.


Hmmm, I think the webmail might explain most of them. I'll look into 
that. Is there any way to flag a person in my address book with the 
encoding that should be used when receiving email from them? Same thing 
- can an encoding be specified for a website or domain?


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Re: SeaMonkey Sync [SOLVED]

2011-02-18 Thread Philip Chee 
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:01:55 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> Philip Chee wrote:

>> I think he means class="menuitem-iconic" on the menu item (plus the
>> appropriate image).
> 
> Ah. Then this should do (we don't have class="menuitem-iconic" set on 
> any of the menuitems which makes it a bit harder):

We control the horizontal, we control the vertical. We have the power to
add the class to our own menu items surely?

> #sync-setup,
> #sync-syncnowitem {
>-moz-binding: 
> url("chrome://global/content/bindings/menu.xml#menuitem-iconic");
>list-style-image: url("chrome://communicator/skin/sync/sync-16.png") 
> !important;
> }
> #sync-setup > hbox.menu-iconic-left,
> #sync-syncnowitem > hbox.menu-iconic-left {
>-moz-appearance: menuimage;
>padding-top: 2px;
>display: -moz-box;
> }

Phil

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Re: How to handle emails with different character encoding

2011-02-18 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

flyguy wrote:


Most of the emails I get display correctly with Western (ISO-8859-1),
but a few have some strange characters (e.g., †) unless I select
Unicode (UTF-8). Occasionally, this also happens on web sites. The Help
info doesn't seem to match my choices in Preferences.

Is there anyway to have SM 2 use the correct encoding automatically?


Yes and no.

Most emails sent to you have info in the (hidden) header that tells the 
receiving program (in our case, SeaMonkey) what encoding to use. For 
example, your post said:


Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Sometimes (especially with webmails), this information is absent, so 
SeaMonkey will fall back on whatever default you have set. If you look 
at your prefs under Mail & Newsgroups | Character Encoding, the first 
setting is your default for message display. If most of your 
correspondence is in Western, this is a good choice.


And sometimes the sending program lies to SeaMonkey and specifies an 
encoding different from the one used to compose the message.


In cases where the info is absent or the sending program lies, you have 
to manually select the correct encoding. Sorry. But when the incoming 
message is well-formed (contains accurate info on encoding), SeaMonkey 
does automatically select the correct encoding.


The situation with websites is similar. If they tell the truth, 
SeaMonkey is fine. If they are silent or misleading, SeaMonkey can guess 
wrong or be deceived.


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How to handle emails with different character encoding

2011-02-18 Thread flyguy 
Most of the emails I get display correctly with Western (ISO-8859-1), 
but a few have some strange characters (e.g., †) unless I select 
Unicode (UTF-8).  Occasionally, this also happens on web sites. The Help 
info doesn't seem to match my choices in Preferences.


Is there anyway to have SM 2 use the correct encoding automatically?

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Re: PDF file limitation

2011-02-18 Thread Michael Gordon 

JeffM wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

As reported yesterday by the original poster in this thread,
the problem was a setting in Adobe Reader, not in SeaMonkey.


What hasn't been stated explicitly, however,
is, apparently, that app handles Internet Exploder
in a different way than it does other browsers.

Good old Adobe.   8-(


That is correct.  For IE the plugin seems to be an Active-x application.

All the problems noted in this thread and earlier threads seem to date 
back to and Adobe Reader security update, they seemed to reset all the 
plugin preferences in the reader.


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Re: Proposed changes to the support newsgroups/mailing lists

2011-02-18 Thread Chris Ilias 

On 11-02-18 3:29 PM, W3BNR wrote:

On 2/18/2011 9:31 AM Steve wrote:

On 2/17/11 3:52 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:


Deleted Text


We're going with plan C.

*Next step* is to test the configuration on one newsgroup.
mozilla.support.other has almost no traffic, so that looks like a good
test bed.
I've filed .

Plan C seems very reasonable, less intrusive, less time consuming.



And yet the spam is rampant on Mozilla.support.other.


Guys, as I said earlier, please send replies to mozilla.general. Thanks.
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Re: Proposed changes to the support newsgroups/mailing lists

2011-02-18 Thread W3BNR 

On 2/18/2011 9:31 AM Steve wrote:

On 2/17/11 3:52 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:


Deleted Text


We're going with plan C.

*Next step* is to test the configuration on one newsgroup.
mozilla.support.other has almost no traffic, so that looks like a good
test bed.
I've filed .

Plan C seems very reasonable, less intrusive, less time consuming.



And yet the spam is rampant on Mozilla.support.other.

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Re: PDF file limitation

2011-02-18 Thread JeffM 
David E. Ross wrote:
>As reported yesterday by the original poster in this thread,
>the problem was a setting in Adobe Reader, not in SeaMonkey.
>
What hasn't been stated explicitly, however,
is, apparently, that app handles Internet Exploder
in a different way than it does other browsers.

Good old Adobe.   8-(
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Re: SeaMonkey Sync [SOLVED]

2011-02-18 Thread Jens Hatlak 

Philip Chee wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:54:30 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:

sean.b...@wizard.net wrote:

now if i could just figure out how to get an icon back into my menu... :S


Right click a toolbar, choose Customize and drag the Sync button to the
toolbar. Should work in browser and MailNews windows.


I think he means class="menuitem-iconic" on the menu item (plus the
appropriate image).


Ah. Then this should do (we don't have class="menuitem-iconic" set on 
any of the menuitems which makes it a bit harder):


#sync-setup,
#sync-syncnowitem {
  -moz-binding: 
url("chrome://global/content/bindings/menu.xml#menuitem-iconic");
  list-style-image: url("chrome://communicator/skin/sync/sync-16.png") 
!important;

}
#sync-setup > hbox.menu-iconic-left,
#sync-syncnowitem > hbox.menu-iconic-left {
  -moz-appearance: menuimage;
  padding-top: 2px;
  display: -moz-box;
}

HTH

Jens

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Re: PDF file limitation

2011-02-18 Thread David E. Ross 
On 2/18/11 2:09 AM, Daniel wrote:
> Not@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> cyberzen wrote:
>>> Ray_Net a écrit :
 cyberzen wrote:
> Ray_Net a écrit :
>> Not@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Phillip Jones wrote:
 David E. Ross wrote:
> On 2/16/11 7:36 AM, Not@home wrote:
>> I have Vista and Seamonkey 2.0.11. My wife has the
>> same software on her pc.
>>
>> When I try to read the Madrid attractions section (a
>> PDF file) at http://www.maribelsguides.com/ it loads
>> only about half of the file, then stops.
>>
>> My wife's computer loads the whole file using
>> Seamonkey, and my computer loads the whole file using
>> IE.
>>
>> This makes me think the problem is not with adobe,
>> but with the configuration of either Vista or
>> Seamonkey on my computer, but I have been all through
>> the preferences section and can find nothing that to
>> me sets a limit on the size of files I can open.
>>
>> Any suggestions on where I should look? I already
>> tried swapping computers with my wife, but she caught
>> me.
>
> I see a problem with the hotel guide at
> . After
> downloading about half the PDF file, further
> downloading occurs only as I scroll down in the file.
> The complete file downloaded only when I tried to view
> the last page.
>
> I saw a similar problem with a dial-up connection at
> Vanguard mutual funds. I wanted a form for converting
> part of an IRA to a Roth IRA. The PDF file was less
> than 500 KB but would stop at slightly over 200 KB.
> Nothing I did would result in the remaining file
> downloading. What was especially frustrating was that
> the form was only 8 pages out of 36 in the file -- 8
> pages near the beginning of the file -- but the
> partially downloaded file could not be opened; the
> entire file had to download before I could open it.
> With a broadband connection, the problem went away.
>
> I suspect this is a server problem. The server might
> time-out without having sent all packets.
>

 Had no problem loading the Link (use PDF Browser Plugin
 by Schubert) Do have a 1mb synchronous DSL Line.

>>> I have cable. It downloads completely using IE on my
>>> computer, or Seamonkey on my wife's, but with Seamonkey on
>>> mine it consistently stops after downloading 818.51 KB of
>>> 1.57 MB.
>>
>> Is the PDF file opening with the same method between your
>> wife's pc and yours ? I think about this: On one pc the pdf
>> file is opened inside the SM screen. On the other pc, the pdf
>> file is opened inside Acrobat Reader started by SM. The way
>> of managing a pdf like this 2 possibilities is an option
>> inside Acrobat Reader.
>
> I make SM to open pdf outside by acrobat and no problem
>
 Did you say that now your problem is solved ?
>>>
>>> no, that was not me. I suppose pdf take the same amount of cache
>>> regardless they are viewed in a window of SM or not
>>>
>> I cleared the cache (under preferences, advanced, cache) and barred
>> that site from setting cookies, but the problem remains.
>>
>> On my wife's computer, which works, the site opens as if it was
>> another copy of seamonkey showing the pdf. I.e., at the top of the
>> screen is a tab for seamonkey, and a tab for the pdf.
>>
>> On my computer, the pdf opens as if I had gone to another site. I.e.,
>>  the pdf is the only open screen and to get back to seamonkey I just
>> use the back key.
> 
> Can you compare the settings for Edit->Preferences->Browser->Tabbed 
> Browsing.
> 
> Are your settings for Link Behavior the same as your wife's??
> 
> Daniel

As reported yesterday by the original poster in this thread, the problem
was a setting in Adobe Reader, not in SeaMonkey.

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Re: SeaMonkey Sync [SOLVED]

2011-02-18 Thread Philip Chee 
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:54:30 +0100, Jens Hatlak wrote:
> sean.b...@wizard.net wrote:
>> now if i could just figure out how to get an icon back into my menu... :S
> 
> Right click a toolbar, choose Customize and drag the Sync button to the 
> toolbar. Should work in browser and MailNews windows.

I think he means class="menuitem-iconic" on the menu item (plus the
appropriate image).

Phil

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Re: Personal Addresses

2011-02-18 Thread upscope 
On Friday, February 18, 2011 07:00:27 AM JohnW-Mpls wrote:
> 
> On a list of board members, we include multiple phone numbers - the 
3
> generic designations: Home, Work, & Cell, seem to be adequate.
> 
> We are starting to see the need to have multiple mail addresses but 
do
> not know what designations may be useful.  Any suggestions?
> 
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Re: [SM2.1] How to use new Chatzilla?

2011-02-18 Thread Jens Hatlak 

P.N. wrote:

Chatzilla used to show some default servers, and it worked with
irc://irc.some.server/ from address entry in SM - all this seems has
gone???


ChatZilla is a bit broken on trunk (including 2.1b2), see here:


(The Venkman bug that used to be listed there was just fixed!)

Workaround: Clear the tab (IRC menu, tab context menu or "/clear").

HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey Sync [SOLVED]

2011-02-18 Thread Jens Hatlak 

sean.b...@wizard.net wrote:

now if i could just figure out how to get an icon back into my menu... :S


Right click a toolbar, choose Customize and drag the Sync button to the 
toolbar. Should work in browser and MailNews windows.


HTH

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[SM2.1] How to use new Chatzilla?

2011-02-18 Thread P.N. 


Hello!

Chatzilla used to show some default servers, and it worked with 
irc://irc.some.server/ from address entry in SM - all this seems has gone???


Kind regards

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Personal Addresses

2011-02-18 Thread JohnW-Mpls 

On a list of board members, we include multiple phone numbers - the 3
generic designations: Home, Work, & Cell, seem to be adequate.

We are starting to see the need to have multiple mail addresses but do
not know what designations may be useful.  Any suggestions?


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Re: Proposed changes to the support newsgroups/mailing lists

2011-02-18 Thread Steve 

On 2/17/11 3:52 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

On 11-02-03 12:34 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:

PREFACE: I'm setting replies to this post to be posted in
mozilla.general. If you don't want to subscribe to mozilla.general, you
send your response to my email address and I'll post it there.


_The problem_
Spam in the newsgroups.


_How is it happening_
These newsgroups are mirrored between lists.mozilla.org,
news.mozilla.org, and Google Groups. All the spam is coming via Google
Groups, and Google is doing nothing to stop it.


_What are the proposed changes to fix it in other newsgroups_
The plan for the developer newsgroups is laid out at
. There is more
information there about the details of the problem. The solution for
other newsgroups basically goes like this:
* all posts require moderator approval
* the moderator can add you to a whitelist, which means all your posts
will be automatically approved


_What is the plan for the support newsgroups_
Because most threads in the support newsgroups are started by new
posters, who often don't post in other threads, and rarely come back
after their issue is fixed, the plan for the developer newsgroups isn't
ideal for the support newsgroups. So I want to lay out our options and
get your feedback.


_The options_

A) We mark the Google Groups end as read-only. This is not an option in
the developer newsgroups, because web-access is mandatory. But for
support, there are other (better) web-based support forums
(support.mozilla.com, getsatisfaction, mozillazine, etc.), so the
ability to post here via the web isn't really preventing users from
getting web-based support.
To see what a read-only Google Group looks like, go to


However, I'm not sure this will stop spam that is cross-posted from
other Google Groups. It may prevent people in the developer newsgroups
from cross-posting to the support newsgroups via Google. And I'm not
sure if users looking for help via the Google Groups end will know where
to go, after they see that they cannot post.


B) We implement the same plan as for the developer newsgroups, but only
contributors are added to the whitelist. We then add more moderators, to
increase the chances of a new thread getting approved quickly.

However, this requires vigilance from moderators, and there may not be
enough to eliminate the latency.


C) We configure the newsgroups like the dev groups, but automatically
approve every post, and let SpamAssassin filter the spam. (SpamAssassin
is already installed on the mailing list, and has been doing a very good
job of catching the spam and holding it for moderation.)

However, the mailing lists still gets the odd message from non-members
thinking it's a private support address. Right now, posts from
non-members are automatically rejected and given a message explaining
that this is a community forum. But if we go with plan C, those messages
would be automatically approved.


_Why this post_
I'm looking for feedback. Which plan do you prefer? Are there any
caveats we've missed? Any solutions you'd like to add?


We're going with plan C.

*Next step* is to test the configuration on one newsgroup. 
mozilla.support.other has almost no traffic, so that looks like a good 
test bed.

I've filed .

Plan C seems very reasonable, less intrusive, less time consuming.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 and Seamonkey 2.0

2011-02-18 Thread Robert Kaiser 

Stéphane Grégoire schrieb:

I'm using Seamonkey 2.1 nightly builds but sometimes by mistake I launch
Seamonkey 2.0 and then in Seamonkey 2.1 I have not history and no bookmarks.

How fixing it?


Make a backup of your profile (which you should always do anyhow), and 
esp. your places.sqlite. SeaMonkey 2.1 (the Mozilla 2.0 platform) uses a 
format of that file that is not understood by SeaMonkey 2.0 (the Mozilla 
1.9.1 platform).
If it already happened, you should be able to get back your bookmarks at 
least by going into the bookmarks manager and restore older bookmarks 
from the Tools menu. Or you can try renaming the places.sqlite-corrupt 
(or similar) file back to places.sqlite, that could work as well.



Seamonkey 2.1b3pre mail window look very pretty!


The team has put a lot of work into this new SeaMonkey version. :)

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Re: PDF file limitation

2011-02-18 Thread Daniel 

Not@home wrote:



cyberzen wrote:

Ray_Net a écrit :

cyberzen wrote:

Ray_Net a écrit :

Not@home wrote:



Phillip Jones wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/16/11 7:36 AM, Not@home wrote:

I have Vista and Seamonkey 2.0.11. My wife has the
same software on her pc.

When I try to read the Madrid attractions section (a
PDF file) at http://www.maribelsguides.com/ it loads
only about half of the file, then stops.

My wife's computer loads the whole file using
Seamonkey, and my computer loads the whole file using
IE.

This makes me think the problem is not with adobe,
but with the configuration of either Vista or
Seamonkey on my computer, but I have been all through
the preferences section and can find nothing that to
me sets a limit on the size of files I can open.

Any suggestions on where I should look? I already
tried swapping computers with my wife, but she caught
me.


I see a problem with the hotel guide at
. After
downloading about half the PDF file, further
downloading occurs only as I scroll down in the file.
The complete file downloaded only when I tried to view
the last page.

I saw a similar problem with a dial-up connection at
Vanguard mutual funds. I wanted a form for converting
part of an IRA to a Roth IRA. The PDF file was less
than 500 KB but would stop at slightly over 200 KB.
Nothing I did would result in the remaining file
downloading. What was especially frustrating was that
the form was only 8 pages out of 36 in the file -- 8
pages near the beginning of the file -- but the
partially downloaded file could not be opened; the
entire file had to download before I could open it.
With a broadband connection, the problem went away.

I suspect this is a server problem. The server might
time-out without having sent all packets.



Had no problem loading the Link (use PDF Browser Plugin
by Schubert) Do have a 1mb synchronous DSL Line.


I have cable. It downloads completely using IE on my
computer, or Seamonkey on my wife's, but with Seamonkey on
mine it consistently stops after downloading 818.51 KB of
1.57 MB.


Is the PDF file opening with the same method between your
wife's pc and yours ? I think about this: On one pc the pdf
file is opened inside the SM screen. On the other pc, the pdf
file is opened inside Acrobat Reader started by SM. The way
of managing a pdf like this 2 possibilities is an option
inside Acrobat Reader.


I make SM to open pdf outside by acrobat and no problem


Did you say that now your problem is solved ?


no, that was not me. I suppose pdf take the same amount of cache
regardless they are viewed in a window of SM or not


I cleared the cache (under preferences, advanced, cache) and barred
that site from setting cookies, but the problem remains.

On my wife's computer, which works, the site opens as if it was
another copy of seamonkey showing the pdf. I.e., at the top of the
screen is a tab for seamonkey, and a tab for the pdf.

On my computer, the pdf opens as if I had gone to another site. I.e.,
 the pdf is the only open screen and to get back to seamonkey I just
use the back key.


Can you compare the settings for Edit->Preferences->Browser->Tabbed 
Browsing.


Are your settings for Link Behavior the same as your wife's??

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Seamonkey 2.1 and Seamonkey 2.0

2011-02-18 Thread Stéphane Grégoire 
Hi,


I'm using Seamonkey 2.1 nightly builds but sometimes by mistake I launch
Seamonkey 2.0 and then in Seamonkey 2.1 I have not history and no bookmarks.

How fixing it?


Seamonkey 2.1b3pre mail window look very pretty!

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