Re: Can anyone here help with - or refer me to help for - a Netscape question?

2011-02-24 Thread cyberzen 

Ken a écrit :

For example, I don't really understand cybercitizen's reference to
locating 'local folders' under Netscape [or SeaMonkey] hierarchy and
then suppressing the .msf files, if any.


local folders are located in the profile, under mail folder
you can view it with the explorer. None SM or Moz running



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Re: Can anyone here help with - or refer me to help for - a Netscape question?

2011-02-24 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Ken wrote:


Interim response from Ken (in Oz) to the posts here so far.

Guys, your thoughts have been very welcome. I'm not a tech whiz, so I
may have to wait to do much until the middle of next week when a friend
can come and help out.

For example, I don't really understand cybercitizen's reference to
locating 'local folders' under Netscape [or SeaMonkey] hierarchy and
then suppressing the .msf files, if any.


Cyberzen's using a false friend (faux ami) -- suppress sounds like the 
French supprimer, which means delete, remove, but we don't use 
suppress that way in English.


As for the .msf files, they're only indexes, so it's fine to delete 
them, either before or after copying or moving. Either Netscape or 
SeaMonkey would automatically recreate them if they were absent.


My chief concern here is that we've heard a lot of chatter over the past 
year about the changes in file structure between SM 1 and 2, so that v.2 
couldn't just use the v.1 files as is, but had to import and rework them 
and save them in a new location in the new format. I would assume that 
simply dropping NS mail folders into an SM 2 folder tree (hierarchy) 
wouldn't work because of that format difference; instead, I would try to 
import them using SeaMonkey's import tool.


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Re: Can anyone here help with - or refer me to help for - a Netscape question?

2011-02-24 Thread cyberzen 

Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :

Ken wrote:


Interim response from Ken (in Oz) to the posts here so far.

Guys, your thoughts have been very welcome. I'm not a tech whiz, so I
may have to wait to do much until the middle of next week when a friend
can come and help out.

For example, I don't really understand cybercitizen's reference to
locating 'local folders' under Netscape [or SeaMonkey] hierarchy and
then suppressing the .msf files, if any.


Cyberzen's using a false friend (faux ami) -- suppress sounds like the
French supprimer, which means delete, remove, but we don't use
suppress that way in English.

As for the .msf files, they're only indexes, so it's fine to delete
them, either before or after copying or moving. Either Netscape or
SeaMonkey would automatically recreate them if they were absent.

My chief concern here is that we've heard a lot of chatter over the past
year about the changes in file structure between SM 1 and 2, so that v.2
couldn't just use the v.1 files as is, but had to import and rework them
and save them in a new location in the new format. I would assume that
simply dropping NS mail folders into an SM 2 folder tree (hierarchy)
wouldn't work because of that format difference; instead, I would try to
import them using SeaMonkey's import tool.



tank you for explaining my misuse of delete word
the files under Mail folder are mailboxes (those without extension) 
hopefully the layout did not change

the *.msf ones are indexes that should be rebuilt
more to read there:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Combining_two_profiles

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Re: Can anyone here help with - or refer me to help for - a Netscape question?

2011-02-24 Thread cyberzen 

cyberzen a écrit :

Paul B. Gallagher a écrit :

Ken wrote:


Interim response from Ken (in Oz) to the posts here so far.

Guys, your thoughts have been very welcome. I'm not a tech whiz, so I
may have to wait to do much until the middle of next week when a friend
can come and help out.

For example, I don't really understand cybercitizen's reference to
locating 'local folders' under Netscape [or SeaMonkey] hierarchy and
then suppressing the .msf files, if any.


Cyberzen's using a false friend (faux ami) -- suppress sounds like the
French supprimer, which means delete, remove, but we don't use
suppress that way in English.

As for the .msf files, they're only indexes, so it's fine to delete
them, either before or after copying or moving. Either Netscape or
SeaMonkey would automatically recreate them if they were absent.

My chief concern here is that we've heard a lot of chatter over the past
year about the changes in file structure between SM 1 and 2, so that v.2
couldn't just use the v.1 files as is, but had to import and rework them
and save them in a new location in the new format. I would assume that
simply dropping NS mail folders into an SM 2 folder tree (hierarchy)
wouldn't work because of that format difference; instead, I would try to
import them using SeaMonkey's import tool.



tank you for explaining my misuse of delete word
the files under Mail folder are mailboxes (those without extension)
hopefully the layout did not change
the *.msf ones are indexes that should be rebuilt
more to read there:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Combining_two_profiles


better I think : an addon to do that you want
http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#importexporttools

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Re: mozbackup and discussions of same

2011-02-24 Thread sean bean 

On 2/24/2011 6:56 AM, Joe Rotello previously wrote the following...::

RE: mozbackup

Seeing that Mozbackup, in this case for Windows, is being mentioned more
often in the Digest...

We might be advised that Mozbackup, locations at:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/MozBackup

and the Download Homepage:

http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/

I have queried Mozbackup HQ, but it really has to now support at LEAST
going from the likes of Thunderbird 3.1.8 over to the same level of
Thunderbird, which is it's main use, and of course at least Firefox 3.6
and SeaMonkey (if it works with SeaMonkey as it should(?)), over to as
much as Firefox 4.0, for those that have to use Mozbackup, or do not
have any other recourse other than Mozbackup to copy over profiles, and
of course emails, to newer SeaMonkey, other machines (copy from machine
to machine), etc.

Reasoning being that people will HAVE to go from these soon-to-bve older
Thunderbird, Firefox, SeaMonkey, Netscape versions, over to what are or
will become the newest versions of especially Thunderbird, Firefox,
SeaMonkey,

Refreshing us by quoting from http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/ ...:

Current Version Mozbackup: *1.4.10*

*MozBackup* is a simple utility for creating backups of Mozilla Firefox
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/, Mozilla Thunderbird
http://www.mozillamessaging.com/, Mozilla Sunbird
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/, Flock
http://www.flock.com, SeaMonkey http://www.seamonkey-project.org/,
Mozilla Suite http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/, Spicebird
http://www.spicebird.com/, Songbird http://www.getsongbird.com/ and
Netscape http://browser.netscape.com/ profiles.

*It allows you to backup and restore* bookmarks, mail, contacts,
history, extensions, passwords, cache etc. It's an easy way to do
Firefox backup, Thunderbird backup ...


Hope this refresh is of assistance!

Any additions or correction, please direct them to the list.

Joe / WindowGroup / Knoxville, TN / USA
Skype: joerotello


it has always rather astonished me that the built in import 
functionality has never offered to import mail from earlier installs of 
previous mozilla products...


makes things confusing for the casual e'mail user...

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Re: Can anyone here help with - or refer me to help for - a Netscape question?

2011-02-24 Thread Ken 

sean bean wrote:


sounds like you still leave all your mail in the inbox and sent
folders... rather than using local folders as an archive
and/or file drawer...

please clarify...


Clarifying.  You are not mistaken, sean.


make a backup copy of the Netscape mail folder... or two or three for
good measure... do your migration work from one of those back-up copies
so as not to corrupt your still working Netscape 4.79...

then FWIW, mailbox folders are still just mailbox folders... you can
copy the individual inbox, sent, drafts, templates, etc files over to
your new SeaMonkey... re-name them all something that does not conflict
with any pre-existing folders in your new SeaMonkey, as well as
something you will immediately recognize when you next open SeaMonkey

caution: SeaMonkey and Netscape must both be closed while you copy files...


Inbox and sent are all I want to save.  So I might call them  'inscape' 
and 'sentscape' (to be poetic!).  Thanks for sharing your knowledge, 
sean.  I'm relieved that you think it'll be this easy - to copy straight 
from Netscape into SM 2.0.11, right?


- Ken (in Oz)
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Re: Can anyone here help with - or refer me to help for - a Netscape question?

2011-02-24 Thread sean bean 

On 2/24/2011 10:48 AM, Ken previously wrote the following...::

sean bean wrote:


sounds like you still leave all your mail in the inbox and sent
folders... rather than using local folders as an archive
and/or file drawer...

please clarify...


Clarifying. You are not mistaken, sean.


make a backup copy of the Netscape mail folder... or two or three for
good measure... do your migration work from one of those back-up copies
so as not to corrupt your still working Netscape 4.79...

then FWIW, mailbox folders are still just mailbox folders... you can
copy the individual inbox, sent, drafts, templates, etc files over to
your new SeaMonkey... re-name them all something that does not conflict
with any pre-existing folders in your new SeaMonkey, as well as
something you will immediately recognize when you next open SeaMonkey

caution: SeaMonkey and Netscape must both be closed while you copy
files...


Inbox and sent are all I want to save. So I might call them 'inscape'
and 'sentscape' (to be poetic!). Thanks for sharing your knowledge,
sean. I'm relieved that you think it'll be this easy - to copy straight
from Netscape into SM 2.0.11, right?

- Ken (in Oz)


yes it should be easy... but like i said... make backup copies outside 
of your working netscape...


sean

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Seamonkey crash - still

2011-02-24 Thread Walter 


Still crashing occasionally. Below are details that are displayed.
w.



Add-ons: 
{d10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d}:1.3.3,{8A6C82A1-F6C9-481a-AAE7-C96444C9A754}:5.1.1,{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}:1.0,mod...@themes.mozilla.org:1.0

BuildID: 20101123124820
CrashTime: 1298587194
Email: w.john.son.1...@gmail.com
InstallTime: 1292344168
ProductName: SeaMonkey
SecondsSinceLastCrash: 340326
StartupTime: 1298587156
Theme: classic/1.0
Throttleable: 1
URL: 
http://local.msn.com/weather.aspx?q=De%20Kalb-TXzip=75559eid=153989639

Vendor: Mozilla
Version: 2.0.11

This report also contains technical information about
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Re: Seamonkey crash - still

2011-02-24 Thread Paul Bergsagel 
Before you can be effectively you need to supply more information. What 
Operating System are you running?


Walter wrote:


Still crashing occasionally. Below are details that are displayed.
w.



Add-ons:
{d10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d}:1.3.3,{8A6C82A1-F6C9-481a-AAE7-C96444C9A754}:5.1.1,{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}:1.0,mod...@themes.mozilla.org:1.0

BuildID: 20101123124820
CrashTime: 1298587194
Email: w.john.son.1...@gmail.com
InstallTime: 1292344168
ProductName: SeaMonkey
SecondsSinceLastCrash: 340326
StartupTime: 1298587156
Theme: classic/1.0
Throttleable: 1
URL:
http://local.msn.com/weather.aspx?q=De%20Kalb-TXzip=75559eid=153989639
Vendor: Mozilla
Version: 2.0.11

This report also contains technical information about


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Re: Seamonkey crash - still

2011-02-24 Thread Robert Kaiser 

Walter schrieb:

Still crashing occasionally. Below are details that are displayed.


Have you sent crash reports through our system? If so, can you please go 
to about:crashes and tell us the the crash IDs on those?


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Re: Seamonkey crash - still

2011-02-24 Thread Michael Gordon 

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Walter schrieb:

Still crashing occasionally. Below are details that are displayed.


Have you sent crash reports through our system? If so, can you please go
to about:crashes and tell us the the crash IDs on those?

Robert Kaiser




Robert,

Try these with SM 2.0.x

Report ID
Date Submitted




bp-cbf86791-3597-4a83-a8f1-951472110223 2/23/2011   7:36 PM
bp-e97424d5-df0c-4570-a173-384552110223 2/23/2011   7:17 PM
bp-0188fbfe-cb83-4a08-ace1-8f2b92110223 2/23/2011   7:16 PM
bp-4b522991-5eb5-4b01-94cf-08ddc2110223 2/23/2011   7:15 PM
bp-adc9714f-717c-4e44-a46f-5977a2110213 2/13/2011   7:45 PM
bp-345c6a7a-25e5-4c3c-b5ed-078462110213 2/13/2011   7:44 PM
bp-56fec057-d6a6-4aef-a6af-d624a2110213 2/13/2011   5:20 PM
bp-4d7b6ee6-642d-48a3-ad5a-cee8e2110213 2/13/2011   5:02 PM
bp-df7eb2e6-062c-4acd-a064-f13302110213 2/13/2011   4:45 PM
bp-3b14183d-a744-4c18-9b3d-2c8ba2110213 2/13/2011   4:45 PM
bp-0658b031-0595-49ee-89f0-dfae52110211 2/11/2011   11:07 PM
bp-8de3c0b4-ff33-42f7-b86a-97e232110211 2/11/2011   11:06 PM
bp-81f6bfcb-5785-494d-8d78-f93692110211 2/11/2011   7:31 PM
bp-4b0dc088-3ac5-47d6-a9d6-30b732110211 2/11/2011   7:30 PM
bp-f7b89f46-b5f6-4958-a4d5-e795f2110211 2/11/2011   7:30 PM
bp-92165148-1525-46ed-bdc1-c09142110209 2/9/20118:18 PM
bp-687112cd-4503-491e-beb2-547d52110209 2/9/20118:17 PM
bp-016e9be5-fb32-4ad1-85a7-1f3d22110209 2/9/20118:11 PM
bp-a8677efb-4094-4625-84a8-8111a2110209 2/9/20117:24 PM
bp-9bc039ca-447a-4f65-8631-b746b2110209 2/9/20117:23 PM
bp-1a01300e-a80b-4b73-856f-a189c2110206 2/6/20119:40 PM
bp-2968c463-25c3-4fa2-8cc8-f7e4d2110206 2/6/20119:39 PM
bp-8b0687de-faad-41d6-86eb-8a5002110206 2/6/20119:22 PM
bp-d73835b1-fde2-4122-9d20-8c9512110206 2/6/20118:56 PM
bp-3d1e29af-c118-41ca-90ef-8e8d92110206 2/6/20118:55 PM
bp-f3e9a95c-14c9-4423-8737-769c12110206 2/6/20118:51 PM
bp-95a44c5c-efa9-4445-8132-50adb2110205 2/5/20119:27 PM
bp-92be15b4-4648-45ca-a33d-55f762110205 2/5/20119:17 PM
bp-796a1c84-95ec-4724-a9b6-266b52110205 2/5/20119:16 PM
bp-179dc935-a585-449d-864e-d78de2110205 2/5/20119:04 PM
bp-b068e71b-6d8c-4d1d-a743-4a8752110203 2/3/20118:06 PM
bp-2bac57cd-f281-45b9-acfe-b749e2110202 2/2/20117:41 PM
bp-f31ab4a2-17d6-4c09-9207-cb0172110131 1/31/2011   7:20 PM
bp-99c65343-a097-4322-99e7-f0b6d2110131 1/31/2011   7:20 PM
bp-e9da002b-3a1a-4eac-8ceb-260d72110131 1/31/2011   7:19 PM
bp-708b8b02-0560-46dc-b42f-57fcb2110128 1/28/2011   10:17 PM
bp-1d14eb47-1b7f-49ec-b13b-bc9a72110128 1/28/2011   10:16 PM
bp-07aba9bf-b3db-4742-87cd-f8fd72110128 1/28/2011   10:16 PM
bp-cc65e6f3-bc51-4683-a6bb-a9c372110127 1/27/2011   8:25 PM
bp-f0393dfa-7190-42ae-ba3f-75fec2110127 1/27/2011   8:24 PM
bp-e0548f20-9287-48a7-a85b-ae4112110127 1/27/2011   8:07 PM
bp-fe022995-bc2b-435d-b238-f339a2110127 1/27/2011   8:07 PM
bp-da52c73f-f0ec-4e33-a86f-ba0892110127 1/27/2011   8:06 PM
bp-053559ab-c16c-4eca-a624-457f52110127 1/27/2011   8:05 PM
bp-ee032974-ce08-4233-a5db-d97c42110126 1/26/2011   7:51 PM
bp-07a3e7a2-f491-493a-875e-dbed72110126 1/26/2011   5:18 PM
bp-870d7da8-38cf-461b-94b3-179f62110126 1/26/2011   1:49 PM
bp-f73b3c0e-195c-4879-8701-952e42110125 1/25/2011   9:32 PM
bp-fa8ad2b4-8e89-44fe-a129-c6c7e2110125 1/25/2011   9:30 PM
bp-3f753a52-df55-4f22-bfe1-2b9a92110125 1/25/2011   9:18 PM
bp-02203ac9-501f-4593-a4a6-8de282110125 1/25/2011   9:09 PM
bp-79cf2e4b-d42a-497b-a105-424332110125 1/25/2011   5:04 PM
bp-86be-4690-4cdf-8d0c-1a66c2110125 1/25/2011   12:35 PM
bp-f362f5cf-a0fb-4054-98e1-d0ded2110124 1/24/2011   12:13 PM
bp-37ad42fb-77c4-4452-a020-878462110123 1/23/2011   11:10 PM
bp-6cc39ebf-24d4-4d31-9a87-96f0c2110121 1/21/2011   11:54 AM
bp-4876d1ed-ca51-476e-bb0f-2ba2a2110117 1/17/2011   8:14 PM
d203e4ca-fb69-47c6-8b46-e1847e4442271/16/2011   10:19 PM
45568881-db09-49d2-a265-28ea517db80d1/15/2011   9:03 PM
baffaf10-c11a-4a24-b3a2-058a5e59d8541/15/2011   9:02 PM
c15bdc01-b5ca-49c6-8890-7536f36cdaeb1/15/2011   9:02 PM
5835a2fa-1b95-48c4-9481-b986f36d54d11/15/2011   9:01 PM
eb22432c-b19d-4399-ad86-6f2537be4ef21/15/2011   9:01 PM
bp-ae5d408f-0aec-4d63-bd1f-08c972110112 1/12/2011   11:03 PM
bp-fdce1413-5caa-41ed-b7f5-e16612110112 1/12/2011   11:02 PM
bp-5b8acdd8-130c-4ef4-8db6-df77c2110112 1/12/2011   10:54 PM
bp-e397e292-7e7c-4028-85ac-a018b2110111 1/11/2011   11:12 AM
bp-377ffa65-a5dd-49f9-84cb-0e8b92110105 1/5/20117:27 PM
bp-5e8540b8-525c-46c1-a518-bdf6c2110105 1/5/20115:02 PM
bp-9935e52b-003f-412d-84c5-956282110105 1/5/20114:55 PM
bp-24682811-a5e8-45f6-bed6-17fbf2110105 1/5/20114:55 PM
bp-cefd8f71-5e63-430b-b667-7fe262110105 1/5/20114:54 PM

Re: Seamonkey crash - still

2011-02-24 Thread Chris Ilias 

On 11-02-24 10:42 PM, Michael Gordon wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Walter schrieb:

Still crashing occasionally. Below are details that are displayed.


Have you sent crash reports through our system? If so, can you please go
to about:crashes and tell us the the crash IDs on those?


Try these with SM 2.0.x


The about:crashes page is going to list different crash IDs for each 
person. So the crash IDs on your about:crashes page are not the ones in 
Walter's.


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