Re: Some thoughts

2011-03-29 Thread Philip Chee 
On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:20:33 -0700, Rufus wrote:
> Philip Chee wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:05:35 +0530, Stereotactic wrote:

> What do you need/want done for "stress testing"?  Just time on the 
> software, or something more?

As a minimum run a complete set of our litmus tests:



Test Run 7 is for SeaMonkey 2.0


Doing a complete run is what we call "running a smoke test"

Of course you should also test the bits that you use most often or use
regularly as well

Phil

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Re: Problems reading message threads.

2011-03-29 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

- In my Inbox I have in the menu bar, View drop down, sorted set for:
in order received, ascending, unthreaded.
- In the view selection box I have 'all'
- In the search box I enter a phrase e.g. 'vim' (which is an address
fragment). This selects a whole group of messages from vim.
- I set all these messages to unread.
- In order to facilitate reading these in a logical order, I press
the threading marker on the top header line.
- Now I'd like to read the articles of a thread in the order that
they are listed in the threaded tree.

- THis is where I run into problems.
I select, open, and read the first article/message of the thread.
Now, What is the proper sequence of keystrokes to progress to the next
message/article in the thread?
Both n or f at the end of an article take me to the first article
of the next thread!
and NOT to the next article in the thread list!
IF/when I backtrack to the article list pane, the article list
for the chosen thread is collapsed and underlined. So I have to
expand it to get to the next artilce.


If you have it set for unthreaded, of course F'll take you to the next 
message in the list, which may or may not be part of the thread.


N takes you to the next unread message, F takes you to the next article 
in the list according to the sort order you've chosen.


If you want to read threads containing unread messages from vim, set 
your sort to threaded, press N for his first message, and then F until 
you come to the end of the thread. Then N for the next unread message 
from vim, F for the next message in that thread, etc.


It would probably help to set your view options to show "threads with 
unread." That way, all the fully read threads will be hidden.


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Problems reading message threads.

2011-03-29 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 

- In my Inbox I have in the menu bar, View drop down, sorted set for:
in order received, ascending, unthreaded.
- In the view selection box I have 'all'
- In the search box I enter a phrase  e.g. 'vim' (which is an address 
fragment). This selects a whole group of messages from vim.

- I set all these messages to unread.
- In order to facilitate reading these in a logical order, I press
the threading marker on the top header line.
- Now I'd like to read the articles of a thread in the order that
they are listed in the threaded tree.

- THis is where I run into problems.
I select, open, and read the first article/message of the thread.
Now, What is the proper sequence of keystrokes to progress to the next 
message/article in the thread?

Both n or f at the end of an article take me to the first article
of the next thread!
and NOT to the next article in the thread list!
IF/when I backtrack to the article list pane, the article list
for the chosen thread is collapsed and underlined. So I have to
expand it to get to the next artilce.
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Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?

2011-03-29 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


However, I most strongly suggest that you do a content comparison of the
source and destination files! before hypothesizing.
Since you appear to be on an MS Windows system, you should have fc .
Run fc/n sourcexxx destxxx.


As you say, they are different, but we knew that already. Does this tell 
you the source of the corruption? I don't see from this whether it's 
SeaMonkey or Windows or Carnivore ;-) or something else on the Internet.


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Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?

2011-03-29 Thread NoOp 
On 03/29/2011 04:35 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>>> I have extracted some email messages from my Inbox to a fresh mail
>>> folder. Done by:
>>> Highlighting the messages in the message list pane,
>>> Right clickin on the highlight,
>>> selecting the destination folder,
>>> (and verifying that the messages were copied there)
>>>
>>> Now I'd like to send the file, that is the _exact_ contents
>>> of that mail folder, as an Attachment, with an email
>>> to some recipient.
>>
>> Are you saying you want the recipient to receive the folder in a form
>> that their email reader (for example, SeaMonkey) could use?
>>
> "That their email reader could use" is an imprecise and unclear phrase. :-)
> What I want is a bit faithful copy of the file to be transferred.
> How the recipient uses the received file immaterial.
> (It just so happens that the file being sent, is a set of email
> messages in/{as in} a mail folder, including all the message
> headers.)

Then zip/tar/whatever and send the resulting binary as an attachment
along with an md5sum of the file. Anything otherwise is liable to cause
issues; locales, UTF-8 vs ISO-whatever etc. Read Tony's reply.

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Re: view headers all option

2011-03-29 Thread NoOp 
On 03/29/2011 03:02 PM, Rick Merrill wrote:
...
> 
> When you REceive one of these scams you MAY forward (send)
> it to  phish...@irs.gov  but it is only useful if you send
> full headers.
> 
> In other words :-)  what I was asking is a one-time-only "full headers" 
> option for 
> such forwards.

You are better off (and they will appreciate it more) if you use
'View|Message Source' (Ctrl+U), and then Ctrl+A Ctrl+C (select all /
copy all) and then paste in to the response with 'Paste as a Quotation'
(Ctrl+Shift+O). That way the full headers + message body are pasted. If
you simply use paste, then virus signatures may be picked up etc. It
also makes it easier for whoever you are reporting the message to to
know the exact contents of the message. Do the same for reporting SPAM.



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Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?

2011-03-29 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 

cyberzen wrote:

cyberzen a écrit :

. snip snip snip ..


I would suggest to make a copy of the mbox file (SM not active) first
and to work on this copy.
Sending a file (whatever it is) as a message attachment usually works
you did not tell how the file would be used after it was sent..
use it as a mbox file in seamonkey ?


I made a try of what I have said
- SM closed
- take a copy of a mbox file ( with total commander utility )


Did you compare the mbox file with copy1, to verify that you have
a faithful copy?
I am assuming that you are on a Windows system, and
the contents of the mbox file are complete messages including
full headers and seperator records. i.e.
   From - {date stamp}
   X-Account-Key: ...
   X-UID: 
   X-Mozilla-Status: ...
   X-Mozilla-Status2: ...
   X-Mozilla-Keys: ...


- (launch SM) send a message with this copy as attachment
- receive the message and save the attachment as copy2
- compare copy1 and copy2 --> same (use of 3 different utils, TC,
examdiff, winmerge


and compare copy2 with the original mbox file?
since the purpose of all this is to send a faithful, exact, copy
of the mbox file.



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Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?

2011-03-29 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Weird -- I just tried it myself and the two files had slightly
different sizes. Wonder what's going on...


Do you also see where the original and the received file differ in
content ?! How some of the records are changed between the original
file and the destination file? i.e. differences reported by fc.


Didn't bother -- as soon as I saw the file size discrepancy I stopped.


Conclusion! Sending (at least some kinds of) text files via (at least
SM) as Appendices is unreliable.


I wonder if Windows could be responsible -- these files have no
extension -- what if we temporarily rename them *.txt and then unrename
them after receipt? Rationale -- the received file has to be "saved
as..." something on the receiving computer, and the type that shows up
on my system is "all files," whatever that means.

Other than that, I'm out of ideas.

P.S. Please go back to saying "attachment" -- "appendix" will confuse
your readers as it's not a computer term.


SO sorry, I mean Attachments, of course.
However, I most strongly suggest that you do a content comparison of the
source and destination files! before hypothesizing.
Since you appear to be on an MS Windows system, you should have fc .
Run   fc/n  sourcexxx   destxxx.
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Re: view headers all option

2011-03-29 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
Rick Merrill wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
 Daniel wrote:
> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> Under "options" for a new message, especially a ForWarDed message
>> (!), it would be nice to have a "show all headers" when sending
>> a 419!
>
> What's wrong with "View->Headers->All"??
>
> (Off to check what a "419" might be!!)

 Hopefully, your Google result has already divulged what the common
 usage of "419" is by now.  :-)

 What I'm curious about is why Rick wants to *send* one!
>>>
>>> I give up!  RFC 2616 ends status codes in the 400 series with 417.
>>> What is 419?
>>
>> How about this?   :-)
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/fraud/advancefee/nigeria.asp
>> http://home.rmci.net/alphae/419coal/
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud
> 
> When you REceive one of these scams you MAY forward (send) it to 
> phish...@irs.gov  but it is only useful if you send full headers. 
> 
> In other words :-)  what I was asking is a one-time-only "full
> headers" option for such forwards.

Ah, I see now.  Well, I can think of the following as a pretty easy
workaround (at least for me). While viewing the email:

View > Headers > All
Click Forward
Content should have complete headers
Add government address in the TO field.

I use to send them off too, religiously, years ago. The scams never
stopped, in fact picked up in frequency, so I surmise that sending them
to the government has no effect. And how could it? The U.S. has no
jurisdiction in Nigeria. Nowadays, I just ignore them as they always end
up in my Junk filter, which self-deletes after three days.

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Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?

2011-03-29 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 

Rick Merrill wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

I have extracted some email messages from my Inbox to a fresh mail
folder. Done by:
Highlighting the messages in the message list pane,
Right clickin on the highlight,
selecting the destination folder,
(and verifying that the messages were copied there)

Now I'd like to send the file, that is the _exact_ contents
of that mail folder, as an Attachment, with an email
to some recipient.


Are you saying you want the recipient to receive the folder in a form
that their email reader (for example, SeaMonkey) could use?


"That their email reader could use" is an imprecise and unclear phrase. :-)
What I want is a bit faithful copy of the file to be transferred.
How the recipient uses the received file immaterial.
(It just so happens that the file being sent, is a set of email
messages in/{as in} a mail folder, including all the message
headers.)
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Re: view headers all option

2011-03-29 Thread Rick Merrill 

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

Under "options" for a new message, especially a ForWarDed message
(!), it would be nice to have a "show all headers" when sending a
419!


What's wrong with "View->Headers->All"??

(Off to check what a "419" might be!!)


Hopefully, your Google result has already divulged what the common
usage of "419" is by now.  :-)

What I'm curious about is why Rick wants to *send* one!


I give up!  RFC 2616 ends status codes in the 400 series with 417.
What is 419?


How about this?   :-)

http://www.snopes.com/fraud/advancefee/nigeria.asp
http://home.rmci.net/alphae/419coal/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud



When you REceive one of these scams you MAY forward (send)
it to  phish...@irs.gov  but it is only useful if you send
full headers.

In other words :-)  what I was asking is a one-time-only "full headers" option for 
such forwards.


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Mail Outbox

2011-03-29 Thread JohnW-Mpls 

On my SM Mail page, the Local Folder has an Outbox.  Is the operation
of that Outbox described anywhere?  I did not find it in Help.

A few weeks ago I started to send 4 messages with similar content to 4
different addresses every day and the Outbox is handy for mailing all
four about the same time each day.  To separate things, I copied the
Outbox icon from under the Local Folder to under the "4 massage"
account so releasing affects only that 4.   Well, the Outbox looks
pretty there but it's totally worthless - can't get anything into it,
or out of it, nor even delete the dumb icon.

So help: any way to use an Outbox per account?  Or, how can I delete
that excess Icon?

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Re: view headers all option

2011-03-29 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
David E. Ross wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>> Rick Merrill wrote:
 Under "options" for a new message, especially a ForWarDed message
 (!), it would be nice to have a "show all headers" when sending a
 419!
>>> 
>>> What's wrong with "View->Headers->All"?? 
>>> 
>>> (Off to check what a "419" might be!!)
>> 
>> Hopefully, your Google result has already divulged what the common
>> usage of "419" is by now.  :-) 
>> 
>> What I'm curious about is why Rick wants to *send* one! 
> 
> I give up!  RFC 2616 ends status codes in the 400 series with 417. 
> What is 419?

How about this?   :-)

http://www.snopes.com/fraud/advancefee/nigeria.asp
http://home.rmci.net/alphae/419coal/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud

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Re: view headers all option

2011-03-29 Thread David E. Ross 
On 3/29/11 3:43 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
> 
>> Rick Merrill wrote:
>>> Under "options" for a new message, especially a ForWarDed message
>>> (!), it would be nice to have a "show all headers" when sending a
>>> 419! 
>>
>> What's wrong with "View->Headers->All"??
>>
>> (Off to check what a "419" might be!!)
> 
> Hopefully, your Google result has already divulged what the common usage
> of "419" is by now.  :-)
> 
> What I'm curious about is why Rick wants to *send* one!
> 

I give up!  RFC 2616 ends status codes in the 400 series with 417.  What
is 419?

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On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.13 Security Update

2011-03-29 Thread S. Beaulieu 

Daniel a écrit :


However, when I start up, I'm in the Mail & Newsgroup and Chatzilla
screens only. When I then clicked the browser icon in the bottom left,
it showed the seamonkey-projects page, rather than my normal (three
page) home page. I 'x'ed out of the screen, re-clicked in the bottom
left and all was well.



AFAIK, that's normal behaviour. Whenever you update SM, it shows 
seamonkey-project.org on its first launch (and only its first launch) so 
you can see what changes have been implemented since the last version 
and so on.


S.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.13 Security Update

2011-03-29 Thread Daniel 

Robert Kaiser wrote:

As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process,
SeaMonkey 2.0.13 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free
download from www.seamonkey-project.org.



(Snip)

I have SM set to check for updates once a week, so last night it found 
and downloaded the .13 update (on Linux) and tonight, when I started SM, 
it installed the update and checked the half-dozen or so installed 
extensions, then started up.


However, when I start up, I'm in the Mail & Newsgroup and Chatzilla 
screens only. When I then clicked the browser icon in the bottom left, 
it showed the seamonkey-projects page, rather than my normal (three 
page) home page. I 'x'ed out of the screen, re-clicked in the bottom 
left and all was well.


This is not the first time this has happened!!! and no real biggee... 
just bugs me.


Thanks for the good work guys.

Daniel
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Re: view headers all option

2011-03-29 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
Daniel wrote:

> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> Under "options" for a new message, especially a ForWarDed message
>> (!), it would be nice to have a "show all headers" when sending a
>> 419! 
> 
> What's wrong with "View->Headers->All"??
> 
> (Off to check what a "419" might be!!)

Hopefully, your Google result has already divulged what the common usage
of "419" is by now.  :-)

What I'm curious about is why Rick wants to *send* one!

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Re: view headers all option

2011-03-29 Thread Daniel 

Rick Merrill wrote:

Under "options" for a new message, especially a ForWarDed message (!),
it would be nice to have a "show all headers" when sending a 419!




What's wrong with "View->Headers->All"??

(Off to check what a "419" might be!!)

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Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?

2011-03-29 Thread Rick Merrill 

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

I have extracted some email messages from my Inbox to a fresh mail
folder. Done by:
Highlighting the messages in the message list pane,
Right clickin on the highlight,
selecting the destination folder,
(and verifying that the messages were copied there)

Now I'd like to send the file, that is the _exact_ contents
of that mail folder, as an Attachment, with an email
to some recipient.


Are you saying you want the recipient to receive the folder in a form that their 
email reader (for example, SeaMonkey) could use?



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view headers all option

2011-03-29 Thread Rick Merrill 

Under "options" for a new message, especially a ForWarDed message (!),
it would be nice to have a "show all headers" when sending a 419!


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Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?

2011-03-29 Thread cyberzen 

cyberzen a écrit :

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a écrit :

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


I have extracted some email messages from my Inbox to a fresh mail
folder. Done by:
Highlighting the messages in the message list pane,
Right clickin on the highlight,
selecting the destination folder,
(and verifying that the messages were copied there)

Now I'd like to send the file, that is the _exact_ contents
of that mail folder, as an Attachment, with an email
to some recipient.

How do I do, accomplish, that?


Assuming you've accurately described what you want and it will be of
some use to your recipient...

Click the attachment pane and navigate to that "folder." If it has no
subfolders, it will appear in the Windows file list as a simple file
name. So for example, if you named your folder "temp1," look for
C:\Documents and Settings\YourWindowsName\Application Data\Mozilla\Sea
Monkey\Profiles\.default\Mail\mail.domain.com\temp1



I did that and it doesn't work!
Note that I asked about sending the _exact_ contents!
The sent Attachment and the received Attachment don't
match. I.e. are not equal.
I suppose that I'll have to encode "temp1", even though
it's all clean ISO-8859-1 text, and try sending the encoded
version :-(


Have you tried compacting folders first? Remember that deleted messages
remain in the folder in a hidden state until you compact, so what you
/think/ is in the folder can be different from what's /really/ there.

Also, how are you viewing the two versions?

I'm assuming you're sane enough that you didn't change the folder
contents between sending and receiving.


Note that: In the very first line of my original posting I wrote:
'to a fresh mail folder'!. SO
everything was packed tight with no slack space!

I compared the source Appendix file 'temp1' and the received Appendix
file by looking at the file contents with my VIM text editor.
(You can do it by saving the received Appendix as 'temp2' and then
comparing 'temp1' and 'temp2' with fc. i.e. fc/n temp1 temp2 )


No!! I did not change the contents of 'temp1' in between sending it
and receiving it.

do you know this utility to compare and view the differences between two
text files ?
http://www.prestosoft.com/edp_examdiff.asp

I would suggest to make a copy of the mbox file (SM not active) first
and to work on this copy.
Sending a file (whatever it is) as a message attachment usually works
you did not tell how the file would be used after it was sent..
use it as a mbox file in seamonkey ?


I made a try of what I have said
- SM closed
- take a copy of a mbox file ( with total commander utility )
- (launch SM) send a message with this copy as attachment
- receive the message and save the attachment as copy2
- compare copy1 and copy2 --> same (use of 3 different utils, TC, 
examdiff, winmerge


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Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?

2011-03-29 Thread Paul B. Gallagher 

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Weird -- I just tried it myself and the two files had slightly
different sizes. Wonder what's going on...


Do you also see where the original and the received file differ in
content ?! How some of the records are changed between the original
file and the destination file? i.e. differences reported by fc.


Didn't bother -- as soon as I saw the file size discrepancy I stopped.


Conclusion! Sending (at least some kinds of) text files via (at least
SM) as Appendices is unreliable.


I wonder if Windows could be responsible -- these files have no 
extension -- what if we temporarily rename them *.txt and then unrename 
them after receipt? Rationale -- the received file has to be "saved 
as..." something on the receiving computer, and the type that shows up 
on my system is "all files," whatever that means.


Other than that, I'm out of ideas.

P.S. Please go back to saying "attachment" -- "appendix" will confuse 
your readers as it's not a computer term.


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