Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

[Paul B. Gallagher]

MCBastos wrote:


To Paul Gallagher:

Making the "Read" and "Junk Status" columns gives a few benefits
beyond simply seeing the message status.

First, there's easy sorting, of course. Just click on the column
header and all your unread messages will bunch together at one end. I
find this useful when there's a few unread messages lost among the
rest.


From the settings I have previously described, it should be clear that 
I display only threads with unread messages, and I jump to those unread 
messages by pressing "N." So I have no need to sort by read status. 
Moreover, that would be counterproductive because it would ruin the 
threading. On those rare occasions where I need to review an old thread 
that doesn't contain (new) unread messages, I can temporarily change my 
display setting to all threads. I really have no difficulty finding the 
new/unread messages.



Another one is to easily toggle the read/unread (or spam/ham, for that
matter) status of a message with a single click, as easily as you toggle
the "Flag" status.


Here, too, I use the keyboard shortcuts "M" (toggle read/unread), "J" 
(toggle junk/not junk), etc. I don't need a mouse for that.


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Re: Ability to block sites, using strings?

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On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 18:50:54 -0600
Jane Galt  wrote:

> WOuld like to request this feature in SM.
> 
> Google had a blocked sites feature that didn't work out, and I
> imagine the reason was that it couldn't use text strings to
> successfully do so.
> 
> Example, I want to block ALL of pricegrabber.com from my search
> results, because they give nothing but useless shopping results,
> trying to sell me crap that I don't want. BUT
> cameras.pricegrabber.com would still show up, even though I blocked
> pricegrabber.com in Google.
> 
> So it needs to be anything with the pricegrabber.com string in it.
> 
> CAN this be done on the browser level, instead of the search engine
> level? So that if I put the string pricegrabber.com in the blocked
> sites list, NOTHING will show up in my browser that has that string?

I don't know of a way to do it in SeaMonkey.  It's possible to prevent
things from showing up in Google's search results, by having some local
javascript to rewrite the search results page.

There's a script to do it at
, and maybe others are
available at that site.

But it would require an extension such as Greasemonkey or Scriptish,
and I can't find one that works with the current version of SeaMonkey.
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Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

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Roger Fink wrote:

I'm relatively new to the seamonkey newsreader and I'm trying to make
peace with it. I'm just about there except for one feature I need, and
that is a way to distinguish read from unread posts. Among the
user-selectable column headers there is a category, "read", which when
checked displays a green dot after a given header, including responses
within a thread. That ought to do it, but unfortunately every message in
every thread, read or unread, displays the green dot, so I'm either
doing something wrong, or misinterpreting what it is supposed to
represent, or it doesn't work. What's actually happening here?


Download and install QuoteColors(Plugin) greatest thing for 
distinguishing  different threads in a title.


as for setting so you only see unread messages go to view menu > Tread > 
Unread.


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Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 22:15, Roger Fink told the world:
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
>> I'm relatively new to the seamonkey newsreader and I'm trying to make
>> peace with it. I'm just about there except for one feature I need, and
>> that is a way to distinguish read from unread posts. Among the
>> user-selectable column headers there is a category, "read", which when
>> checked displays a green dot after a given header, including responses
>> within a thread. That ought to do it, but unfortunately every message in
>> every thread, read or unread, displays the green dot, so I'm either
>> doing something wrong, or misinterpreting what it is supposed to
>> represent, or it doesn't work. What's actually happening here?
>>
>>
> OK, I think I get it. It's not automatic, unlike the late lamented OE. 
> You click the dot, you lose the dot, and that is how the read/unread 
> distinction is expressed.

Actually, it can be automatic.

Edit/Preferences/Mail & Newsgroups/Message Display

Tick the box that says "Automatically mark messages as read"
and choose your preferences below accordingly. I set mine to turn to
"read" after 1 second. It has been that way a long time, but I think I
remember the original default being 3 seconds.

The "read" column is a bit of a misnomer; the green dot actually marks
the message as UNread.

To Paul Gallagher:

Making the "Read" and "Junk Status" columns gives a few benefits beyond
simply seeing the message status.

First, there's easy sorting, of course. Just click on the column header
and all your unread messages will bunch together at one end. I find this
useful when there's a few unread messages lost among the rest.

Another one is to easily toggle the read/unread (or spam/ham, for that
matter) status of a message with a single click, as easily as you toggle
the "Flag" status.

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Re: Previous thread I started (Seamonkey Newsreader) has disappeared

[WaltS]

Roger Fink wrote:

  This is somewhat OT, but until there was a follow up to my last reply,
the thread had completely disappeared from the thread list, although it
did show up in a message (subject) search using "seamonkey newsreader".
Now that there has been a follow-up post, the entire thread has
reappeared. I hope this was because I accidentally deleted it, rather
than a bug.





You can't delete newsgroup messages (unless you know the secret code) 
from SeaMonkey newsgroups.


Do you have View "All" or View "Unread" selected in your Search Bar?

That is the one under the Mail Toolbar.
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Re: Blocklist

[WaltS]

On 03/05/2013 10:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/5/13 4:28 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:

question wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

When Java 7u11 was blocklisted, I enabled it (click-to-play) for three
Web sites.  How do I now cancel that click-to-play enabling?


   7u11 is still Blocklisted
7u11 thru 7u15  Blocklisted since Monday
All because The ALMIGHTY  FACEBOOK Got HACKED

To protect against threat of Java either we can blocklist Java or
websites can block SeaMonkey. I prefer blocklisting Java.



Neither "question" nor Bergsagel answered my question.

Having enabled blocklisted Java for three Web sites via click-to-play,
how do I now get Java blocklisted for one of those sites?  That is, how
do I cancel a click-to-play?



Disregard that last post.

Tools > Data Manager > Select the Domain you want to deactivate click-to 
play > Select the Permissions tab. You should see Activate Plugins with 
a choice of Allow or Block radio buttons, and a Use Default check box. 
Check Use Default.


Block didn't appear to do anything for me.

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Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

[Paul B. Gallagher]

WaltS wrote:
> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>> Roger Fink wrote:
>>
>>> I've got it limited to 300 messages max for each newsgroup, which is
>>> plenty for me. If I set it up the way I intended, then as new messages
>>> are posted, the oldest ones disappear. The message count for each
>>> newsgroup shown in the folder pane hovers around 300, seeming to
>>> indicate that it's working properly.
>>>
>>> The problem I was having was that I was opening messages the way I was
>>> used to doing it - by clicking the message! How stupid of me! As
>>> regulars users must know, If you click the dot, you "de-bold" the
>>> message. Things get easier after that.
>>
>> I wouldn't have the foggiest notion where to look for this "dot" of
>> which you speak. I'm just as "stupid" as you used to be, because I open
>> messages by clicking on them. And SM does just what I expect -- when I
>> open a message, it marks it as read, and removes the bolding as well. I
>> don't see how that's a problem.
>>
> 
> The dot is in the Thread Pane, along with Thread, Subject, Junk (small
> dot), From, Read (the green dot), Date, and Priority in my default setup.
> 
> You can customize the Thread Pane as you desire.
> 
> 

I see. I don't have "Read" or "Junk" selected in my list, so I don't see
any dots.

At any rate, it's nothing peculiar to the dot. You can click anywhere in
the line to select and open a message, with exactly the same effect. For
me, *bolding* is enough of a visual clue that I don't need a dot to
confirm it, so I save the space for useful information such as a little
more of the subject line.

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Previous thread I started (Seamonkey Newsreader) has disappeared

[Roger Fink]

 This is somewhat OT, but until there was a follow up to my last reply, 
the thread had completely disappeared from the thread list, although it 
did show up in a message (subject) search using "seamonkey newsreader".  
Now that there has been a follow-up post, the entire thread has 
reappeared. I hope this was because I accidentally deleted it, rather 
than a bug.



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Re: Ability to block sites, using strings?

[Geoff Welsh]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Jane Galt wrote:


WOuld like to request this feature in SM.

Google had a blocked sites feature that didn't work out, and I imagine
the
reason was that it couldn't use text strings to successfully do so.

Example, I want to block ALL of pricegrabber.com from my search results,
because they give nothing but useless shopping results, trying to sell me
crap that I don't want. BUT cameras.pricegrabber.com would still show up,
even though I blocked pricegrabber.com in Google.

So it needs to be anything with the pricegrabber.com string in it.

CAN this be done on the browser level, instead of the search engine
level? So
that if I put the string pricegrabber.com in the blocked sites list,
NOTHING
will show up in my browser that has that string?


I tried this search on Google, it seemed to work fine:
cameras -site:pricegrabber.com

I didn't see any instances of cameras.pricegrabber.com in the results.



I typed "cameras" and didn't see any instances of 
cameras.pricegrabber.com in the results either.  That's a cool minus 
trick for Google searches though, Paul. Thanks!


To the OP, I don't know of a browser level string block, but my firewall 
(NetBarrier) has string blocking.  None of the six web browsers I use 
will ever see ".ad." or "facebook" e.g.


GW, on OSX



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Re: Blocklist

[WaltS]

On 03/05/2013 10:36 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/5/13 4:28 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:

question wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

When Java 7u11 was blocklisted, I enabled it (click-to-play) for three
Web sites.  How do I now cancel that click-to-play enabling?


   7u11 is still Blocklisted
7u11 thru 7u15  Blocklisted since Monday
All because The ALMIGHTY  FACEBOOK Got HACKED

To protect against threat of Java either we can blocklist Java or
websites can block SeaMonkey. I prefer blocklisting Java.



Neither "question" nor Bergsagel answered my question.

Having enabled blocklisted Java for three Web sites via click-to-play,
how do I now get Java blocklisted for one of those sites?  That is, how
do I cancel a click-to-play?



You can't. Well, maybe if there is an about:config entry.

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Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

[WaltS]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Roger Fink wrote:
> 
>> I've got it limited to 300 messages max for each newsgroup, which is
>> plenty for me. If I set it up the way I intended, then as new messages
>> are posted, the oldest ones disappear. The message count for each
>> newsgroup shown in the folder pane hovers around 300, seeming to
>> indicate that it's working properly.
>>
>> The problem I was having was that I was opening messages the way I was
>> used to doing it - by clicking the message! How stupid of me! As
>> regulars users must know, If you click the dot, you "de-bold" the
>> message. Things get easier after that.
> 
> I wouldn't have the foggiest notion where to look for this "dot" of
> which you speak. I'm just as "stupid" as you used to be, because I open
> messages by clicking on them. And SM does just what I expect -- when I
> open a message, it marks it as read, and removes the bolding as well. I
> don't see how that's a problem.
> 

The dot is in the Thread Pane, along with Thread, Subject, Junk (small
dot), From, Read (the green dot), Date, and Priority in my default setup.

You can customize the Thread Pane as you desire.


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Re: Blocklist

[David E. Ross]

On 3/5/13 4:28 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:
> question wrote:
>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>> When Java 7u11 was blocklisted, I enabled it (click-to-play) for three
>>> Web sites.  How do I now cancel that click-to-play enabling?
>>>
>>   7u11 is still Blocklisted
>> 7u11 thru 7u15  Blocklisted since Monday
>> All because The ALMIGHTY  FACEBOOK Got HACKED
> To protect against threat of Java either we can blocklist Java or 
> websites can block SeaMonkey. I prefer blocklisting Java.
> 

Neither "question" nor Bergsagel answered my question.

Having enabled blocklisted Java for three Web sites via click-to-play,
how do I now get Java blocklisted for one of those sites?  That is, how
do I cancel a click-to-play?

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Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Roger Fink wrote:

> I've got it limited to 300 messages max for each newsgroup, which is 
> plenty for me. If I set it up the way I intended, then as new messages 
> are posted, the oldest ones disappear. The message count for each 
> newsgroup shown in the folder pane hovers around 300, seeming to 
> indicate that it's working properly.
> 
> The problem I was having was that I was opening messages the way I was 
> used to doing it - by clicking the message! How stupid of me! As 
> regulars users must know, If you click the dot, you "de-bold" the 
> message. Things get easier after that.

I wouldn't have the foggiest notion where to look for this "dot" of
which you speak. I'm just as "stupid" as you used to be, because I open
messages by clicking on them. And SM does just what I expect -- when I
open a message, it marks it as read, and removes the bolding as well. I
don't see how that's a problem.

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Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

[Roger Fink]

 Original Message 

Roger Fink wrote:


I'm relatively new to the seamonkey newsreader and I'm trying to make
  peace with it. I'm just about there except for one feature I need,
and that is a way to distinguish read from unread posts. Among the
user-selectable column headers there is a category, "read", which
when checked displays a green dot after a given header, including
responses within a thread. That ought to do it, but unfortunately
every message in every thread, read or unread, displays the green
dot, so I'm either doing something wrong, or misinterpreting what it
is supposed to represent, or it doesn't work. What's actually
happening here?

In the list of posts, unread messages are *bolded* and read messages are
not.

Since there are over 76,000 messages available here, you should probably
look at your display settings. It would be hard to find a couple of new
unread messages in that vast listing.

Here's what I have selected:

View | Sort by: Date, Ascending, Threaded
View | Messages: All
View | Threads: Threads with unread

This way, I see only threads containing unread messages, and the oldest
threads are at the top of the list. I can easily jump to new unread
messages by pressing "N"; you can also use "B" ("back") and "F"
("forward") to view the previous or next message regardless of
read/unread status, and you can toggle a message's read status by
pressing "M" (I do that occasionally when I want to leave a message
marked as read and return to it later).

HTH

I've got it limited to 300 messages max for each newsgroup, which is 
plenty for me. If I set it up the way I intended, then as new messages 
are posted, the oldest ones disappear. The message count for each 
newsgroup shown in the folder pane hovers around 300, seeming to 
indicate that it's working properly.


The problem I was having was that I was opening messages the way I was 
used to doing it - by clicking the message! How stupid of me! As 
regulars users must know, If you click the dot, you "de-bold" the 
message. Things get easier after that.



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Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

[WaltS]

Roger Fink wrote:



 Original Message 

I'm relatively new to the seamonkey newsreader and I'm trying to make
peace with it. I'm just about there except for one feature I need, and
that is a way to distinguish read from unread posts. Among the
user-selectable column headers there is a category, "read", which when
checked displays a green dot after a given header, including responses
within a thread. That ought to do it, but unfortunately every message in
every thread, read or unread, displays the green dot, so I'm either
doing something wrong, or misinterpreting what it is supposed to
represent, or it doesn't work. What's actually happening here?



OK, I think I get it. It's not automatic, unlike the late lamented OE.
You click the dot, you lose the dot, and that is how the read/unread
distinction is expressed.




I added the Status column to the Thread pane, which switches from New to 
Read depending how long you have your Message Display settings configured.


Mine is set to Automatically mark messages as read > After displaying 
for 3 seconds.


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Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Roger Fink wrote:


I'm relatively new to the seamonkey newsreader and I'm trying to make
 peace with it. I'm just about there except for one feature I need,
and that is a way to distinguish read from unread posts. Among the
user-selectable column headers there is a category, "read", which
when checked displays a green dot after a given header, including
responses within a thread. That ought to do it, but unfortunately
every message in every thread, read or unread, displays the green
dot, so I'm either doing something wrong, or misinterpreting what it
is supposed to represent, or it doesn't work. What's actually
happening here?


In the list of posts, unread messages are *bolded* and read messages are 
not.


Since there are over 76,000 messages available here, you should probably 
look at your display settings. It would be hard to find a couple of new 
unread messages in that vast listing.


Here's what I have selected:

View | Sort by: Date, Ascending, Threaded
View | Messages: All
View | Threads: Threads with unread

This way, I see only threads containing unread messages, and the oldest 
threads are at the top of the list. I can easily jump to new unread 
messages by pressing "N"; you can also use "B" ("back") and "F" 
("forward") to view the previous or next message regardless of 
read/unread status, and you can toggle a message's read status by 
pressing "M" (I do that occasionally when I want to leave a message 
marked as read and return to it later).


HTH

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Re: SeaMonkey NewsReader

[Roger Fink]

 Original Message 

I'm relatively new to the seamonkey newsreader and I'm trying to make
peace with it. I'm just about there except for one feature I need, and
that is a way to distinguish read from unread posts. Among the
user-selectable column headers there is a category, "read", which when
checked displays a green dot after a given header, including responses
within a thread. That ought to do it, but unfortunately every message in
every thread, read or unread, displays the green dot, so I'm either
doing something wrong, or misinterpreting what it is supposed to
represent, or it doesn't work. What's actually happening here?


OK, I think I get it. It's not automatic, unlike the late lamented OE. 
You click the dot, you lose the dot, and that is how the read/unread 
distinction is expressed.


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Re: Acrobat plugin out of date?

[Cruz, Jaime]

Philip TAYLOR wrote:

   wrote:


Not really answering your question, but why do you think going from
10.x to 11.x is a downgrade?


Going from Adobe Acrobat (any version) to Adobe Reader (any version)
is a major downgrade.

Philip Taylor



You can replace the reader without affecting the rest of the product.  I 
still run Adobe Acrobat 6.2, but I have the Version 11 reader.


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Re: Ability to block sites, using strings?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Jane Galt wrote:


WOuld like to request this feature in SM.

Google had a blocked sites feature that didn't work out, and I imagine the
reason was that it couldn't use text strings to successfully do so.

Example, I want to block ALL of pricegrabber.com from my search results,
because they give nothing but useless shopping results, trying to sell me
crap that I don't want. BUT cameras.pricegrabber.com would still show up,
even though I blocked pricegrabber.com in Google.

So it needs to be anything with the pricegrabber.com string in it.

CAN this be done on the browser level, instead of the search engine level? So
that if I put the string pricegrabber.com in the blocked sites list, NOTHING
will show up in my browser that has that string?


I tried this search on Google, it seemed to work fine:
cameras -site:pricegrabber.com

I didn't see any instances of cameras.pricegrabber.com in the results.

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SeaMonkey NewsReader

[Roger Fink]

I'm relatively new to the seamonkey newsreader and I'm trying to make 
peace with it. I'm just about there except for one feature I need, and 
that is a way to distinguish read from unread posts. Among the 
user-selectable column headers there is a category, "read", which when 
checked displays a green dot after a given header, including responses 
within a thread. That ought to do it, but unfortunately every message in 
every thread, read or unread, displays the green dot, so I'm either 
doing something wrong, or misinterpreting what it is supposed to 
represent, or it doesn't work. What's actually happening here?



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Ability to block sites, using strings?

[Jane Galt]

WOuld like to request this feature in SM.

Google had a blocked sites feature that didn't work out, and I imagine the 
reason was that it couldn't use text strings to successfully do so.

Example, I want to block ALL of pricegrabber.com from my search results, 
because they give nothing but useless shopping results, trying to sell me 
crap that I don't want. BUT cameras.pricegrabber.com would still show up, 
even though I blocked pricegrabber.com in Google.

So it needs to be anything with the pricegrabber.com string in it.

CAN this be done on the browser level, instead of the search engine level? So 
that if I put the string pricegrabber.com in the blocked sites list, NOTHING 
will show up in my browser that has that string?

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Re: Blocklist

[Paul Bergsagel]

question wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

When Java 7u11 was blocklisted, I enabled it (click-to-play) for three
Web sites.  How do I now cancel that click-to-play enabling?


  7u11 is still Blocklisted
7u11 thru 7u15  Blocklisted since Monday
All because The ALMIGHTY  FACEBOOK Got HACKED
To protect against threat of Java either we can blocklist Java or 
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Re: Acrobat plugin out of date?

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 15:09, Paul B. Gallagher told the world:
> Updated my full Adobe Acrobat program to v. 10.1.6 on February 15, runs 
> fine.
> 
> SM/FF plugins check says my plugin is out of date, offers to downgrade 
> me to Acrobat Reader 11.0.02.
> 
> Is my full program really vulnerable, do I really need to downgrade to 
> the Reader?
> 
> Or can I just update the plugin?

I think that's a plugincheck bug, it doesn't really know the difference
between Acrobat and the Reader. Since your Acrobat is fully patched, you
are probably fine.

Anyway, you *could* install Reader 11.x in parallel to Acrobat, and use
Reader as a browser plugin leaving Acrobat only for editing. I don't
know if that actually gives any enhanced security, though.

Myself, I decided a long time ago to disable the PDF plugin. I prefer
downloading my PDFs in full and opening them locally.


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Re: java update

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 13:53, PhillipJones told the world:
> MCBastos wrote:
>> Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:43, PhillipJones told the world:
>>
>>> had a reading of 98/100 on SM 2.0.14
>>> failed miserably on Firefox 20.
>>
>> Seamonkey 2.0.14 is a bit old. It's not surprising that it didn't get a 100.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> here's what it looked like on FireFox 20.05 (Think that's the latest
>>> version.)
>>
>> Firefox 20 is beta, current release is 19. But that shouldn't make any
>> difference. Firefox has been passing ACID3 since version 4, I think.
>>
>>
>>> http://www.screencast.com/t/CkCflIgam10
>>>
>>> Although the 100/100 worked the colored boxes were completely slammed.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, couldn't see the video. Tried 4 different browsers (Seamonkey,
>> Iron, IE10 and Opera).
>>
>>
> Okay see if you can view this http://www.screencast.com/t/RpnFKjWk I 
> made a screen shot of the end of the movie natuarl if it was shot of the 
> end movement on the website it wouldn't have the arrow in the center.
> 

Yeah, you are right, that DOES look like crap. And Javascript is
probably a good place to look for the problem.

Let me see... according to this:

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/20.0beta/releasenotes/

FF20 does come with some new stuff that might conceivably affect
Javascript. If that's the cause, the QA guys missed a pretty big regression.

Still, I have no idea how you got a Firefox "20.05" -- the latest beta
version is 20.0b2. Please check again the version numbers and confirm.

Anyway, just to be sure, I installed Firefox 20 beta 2. It sailed
through Acid3, as expected. I really have no idea what could be hosing
your test results like this. Could be an extension, by chance? Ad
blockers like AdBlockPlus, script filters like NoScript and Greasemonkey
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Re: java update

[Rob]

Roger Fink  wrote:
> I understand that the "relationship" between the two is just an accident 
> of language, or careless use of language, but the sequence of events was 
> hard to miss and Win7 system restore did what it was supposed to do. 
> Everything is fine now except that I'm back to the older version. I 
> posted this because I wanted to see if other people experienced the same 
> problem.

When you really want to know if others have a problem you also have,
you should start off by describing your problem in some detail.

Speach like "knock out javascript" is not accurate enough to know
what should be tested and what is the expected and actual outcome.
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Re: Acrobat plugin out of date?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

BIll Spikowski wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Updated my full Adobe Acrobat program to v. 10.1.6 on February 15, runs
fine.

SM/FF plugins check says my plugin is out of date, offers to downgrade
me to Acrobat Reader 11.0.02.

Is my full program really vulnerable, do I really need to downgrade to
the Reader?

Or can I just update the plugin?



There's a previous thread on this subject, beginning on 12/31/2012,
titled "A new PDF problem..."


All very interesting, and I remember that, but I'm afraid I don't see 
the direct relevance to today's issue.


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Re: java update

[Roger Fink]

 Original Message 

Roger Fink wrote:


 Original Message 

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:04, Roger Fink told the world:

FWIW, while the latest java update, 1.7.0.17 appears to work well, it
also knocks out javascript in SeaMonkey 2.15.2, at least that was my
experience (Firefox 18.0.1 was unaffected).

I reverted back to 1.7.0.15.


I don't see how it could "knock out" javascript, since javascript is
embedded in the Gecko engine, and Java is a plug-in. That is, Java only
receives code that has been handed to it by Gecko. If it's Javascript,
Gecko won't hand it to Java. The two technologies (Java and Javascript)
aren't related except by name.

And, by the way, I have just tested Seamonkey with Java 1.7.0.17 on the
ACID3 page (which uses a lot of Javascript) and it passed with no
problems.

http://acid3.acidtests.org/

I understand that the "relationship" between the two is just an
accident of language, or careless use of language, but the sequence of
events was hard to miss and Win7 system restore did what it was
supposed to do. Everything is fine now except that I'm back to the
older version. I posted this because I wanted to see if other people
experienced the same problem.


Seeing that you are using Win7, I wonder if that recent MS Win7 platform
update of Feb 27 could be involved.   I read elsewhere of many people
having imaging problems after that update.  MS has acknowledged that
some systems are having problems with it, and changed it from Important
to Optional.

Luckily I didn't install it, because I had read here of Jim Taylor's
problem with KB 2670838.  Just a thought do you use MS "automatic"
updates?
bj


I do WU manually, but I usually accept them, and I don't recall 
bypassing that one.
My view of this is colored by having firefox of the same vintage 
installed on the same computer. It behaves totally normally with java 
including the latest update, and furthermore there is no need to change 
 to false in FF's about:config (which I 
realize now does work).








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Re: Acrobat plugin out of date?

[Philip TAYLOR]

  wrote:

> Not really answering your question, but why do you think going from
> 10.x to 11.x is a downgrade?

Going from Adobe Acrobat (any version) to Adobe Reader (any version)
is a major downgrade.

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Re: Acrobat plugin out of date?

[A Williams]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Updated my full Adobe Acrobat program to v. 10.1.6 on February 15, runs
fine.

SM/FF plugins check says my plugin is out of date, offers to downgrade
me to Acrobat Reader 11.0.02.

Is my full program really vulnerable, do I really need to downgrade to
the Reader?

Or can I just update the plugin?

TIA



Not really answering your question, but why do you think going from 10.x 
to 11.x is a downgrade?
The current level of the Reader for Linux is 9.x and I'd hope a plugin 
check could recognise that a current 'older level' is ok.  Maybe it 
can't.  Anyway - 11.x levels work fine (for me) under Windows.

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Re: Acrobat plugin out of date?

[BIll Spikowski]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Updated my full Adobe Acrobat program to v. 10.1.6 on February 15, runs 
> fine.
> 
> SM/FF plugins check says my plugin is out of date, offers to downgrade 
> me to Acrobat Reader 11.0.02.
> 
> Is my full program really vulnerable, do I really need to downgrade to 
> the Reader?
> 
> Or can I just update the plugin?


There's a previous thread on this subject, beginning on 12/31/2012,
titled "A new PDF problem..."

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Re: java update

[chicagofan]

Roger Fink wrote:



 Original Message 

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:04, Roger Fink told the world:

FWIW, while the latest java update, 1.7.0.17 appears to work well, it
also knocks out javascript in SeaMonkey 2.15.2, at least that was my
experience (Firefox 18.0.1 was unaffected).

I reverted back to 1.7.0.15.


I don't see how it could "knock out" javascript, since javascript is
embedded in the Gecko engine, and Java is a plug-in. That is, Java only
receives code that has been handed to it by Gecko. If it's Javascript,
Gecko won't hand it to Java. The two technologies (Java and Javascript)
aren't related except by name.

And, by the way, I have just tested Seamonkey with Java 1.7.0.17 on the
ACID3 page (which uses a lot of Javascript) and it passed with no 
problems.


http://acid3.acidtests.org/


I understand that the "relationship" between the two is just an 
accident of language, or careless use of language, but the sequence of 
events was hard to miss and Win7 system restore did what it was 
supposed to do. Everything is fine now except that I'm back to the 
older version. I posted this because I wanted to see if other people 
experienced the same problem.


Seeing that you are using Win7, I wonder if that recent MS Win7 platform 
update of Feb 27 could be involved.   I read elsewhere of many people 
having imaging problems after that update.  MS has acknowledged that 
some systems are having problems with it, and changed it from Important 
to Optional.


Luckily I didn't install it, because I had read here of Jim Taylor's 
problem with KB 2670838.  Just a thought do you use MS "automatic" 
updates?

bj



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Re: Java is Blocked again today

[Rick Merrill]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 09:47, MCBastos told the world:

By the way, there's a new Java out. Again. It seems Oracle never runs
out of holes to patch...



Addendum: they even updated Java 6, AFTER they said they wouldn't do
that anymore... must be a pretty embarrassing bug.



I suspect that many of these updates are nothing more than switching
to secure string manipulation ( C++ strncpy to strncpy_s )! Only a
few updates are for exploited security bugs.
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Acrobat plugin out of date?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Updated my full Adobe Acrobat program to v. 10.1.6 on February 15, runs 
fine.


SM/FF plugins check says my plugin is out of date, offers to downgrade 
me to Acrobat Reader 11.0.02.


Is my full program really vulnerable, do I really need to downgrade to 
the Reader?


Or can I just update the plugin?

TIA

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Re: java update

[PhillipJones]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:43, PhillipJones told the world:


had a reading of 98/100 on SM 2.0.14
failed miserably on Firefox 20.


Seamonkey 2.0.14 is a bit old. It's not surprising that it didn't get a 100.




here's what it looked like on FireFox 20.05 (Think that's the latest
version.)


Firefox 20 is beta, current release is 19. But that shouldn't make any
difference. Firefox has been passing ACID3 since version 4, I think.



http://www.screencast.com/t/CkCflIgam10

Although the 100/100 worked the colored boxes were completely slammed.



Sorry, couldn't see the video. Tried 4 different browsers (Seamonkey,
Iron, IE10 and Opera).


Okay see if you can view this http://www.screencast.com/t/RpnFKjWk I 
made a screen shot of the end of the movie natuarl if it was shot of the 
end movement on the website it wouldn't have the arrow in the center.


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Re: java update

[PhillipJones]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:43, PhillipJones told the world:


had a reading of 98/100 on SM 2.0.14
failed miserably on Firefox 20.


Seamonkey 2.0.14 is a bit old. It's not surprising that it didn't get a 100.




here's what it looked like on FireFox 20.05 (Think that's the latest
version.)


Firefox 20 is beta, current release is 19. But that shouldn't make any
difference. Firefox has been passing ACID3 since version 4, I think.



http://www.screencast.com/t/CkCflIgam10

Although the 100/100 worked the colored boxes were completely slammed.



Sorry, couldn't see the video. Tried 4 different browsers (Seamonkey,
Iron, IE10 and Opera).



That's Odd Just checked works for me, it supposed to be in mp4

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Re: java update

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:43, PhillipJones told the world:

> had a reading of 98/100 on SM 2.0.14
> failed miserably on Firefox 20.

Seamonkey 2.0.14 is a bit old. It's not surprising that it didn't get a 100.


> 
> here's what it looked like on FireFox 20.05 (Think that's the latest 
> version.)

Firefox 20 is beta, current release is 19. But that shouldn't make any
difference. Firefox has been passing ACID3 since version 4, I think.


> http://www.screencast.com/t/CkCflIgam10
> 
> Although the 100/100 worked the colored boxes were completely slammed.
> 

Sorry, couldn't see the video. Tried 4 different browsers (Seamonkey,
Iron, IE10 and Opera).


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Re: Deleted Cookies Blocking Future Cookies

[David E. Ross]

On 3/5/13 3:28 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
> 
>> When I delete a cookie, there is a checkbox that -- if checked --
>> prevents its domain from setting any future cookies.  Does this checkbox
>> have a preference variable?
> 
> Not to my knowledge. Why should it, as it is by domain? If you UNcheck the 
> box for a particular domain name, and select Deny, the box will remain 
> UNchecked the next time that individual domain name asks you about the 
> next occurrence of that cookie(s).
> 
> I'm sure you already know that the cookie preference for sub-domains is a 
> separate setting -- such as cookies for "example.com" and for 
> "ads.example.com".
> 

If I check the checkbox for a particular domain while in the Cookies tab
of the Data Manager, that checkbox will also be checked for all other
domains.  If I then uncheck the checkbox for a different domain, the
checkbox will also be unchecked for the first domain.

The checkbox is global within a profile.  I want to set a preference in
user.js to uncheck the checkbox.  This is because I failed to notice the
checkmark and screwed up my ability to login at my credit union after
deleting expired cookies set by the credit union's Web site.

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Re: java update

[PhillipJones]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:04, Roger Fink told the world:

FWIW, while the latest java update, 1.7.0.17 appears to work well, it
also knocks out javascript in SeaMonkey 2.15.2, at least that was my
experience (Firefox 18.0.1 was unaffected).

I reverted back to 1.7.0.15.



I don't see how it could "knock out" javascript, since javascript is
embedded in the Gecko engine, and Java is a plug-in. That is, Java only
receives code that has been handed to it by Gecko. If it's Javascript,
Gecko won't hand it to Java. The two technologies (Java and Javascript)
aren't related except by name.

And, by the way, I have just tested Seamonkey with Java 1.7.0.17 on the
ACID3 page (which uses a lot of Javascript) and it passed with no problems.

http://acid3.acidtests.org/

Here is what it is supposed to look 
like:http://www.screencast.com/t/cPOmjTPOKdH


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Re: java update

[PhillipJones]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:04, Roger Fink told the world:

FWIW, while the latest java update, 1.7.0.17 appears to work well, it
also knocks out javascript in SeaMonkey 2.15.2, at least that was my
experience (Firefox 18.0.1 was unaffected).

I reverted back to 1.7.0.15.



I don't see how it could "knock out" javascript, since javascript is
embedded in the Gecko engine, and Java is a plug-in. That is, Java only
receives code that has been handed to it by Gecko. If it's Javascript,
Gecko won't hand it to Java. The two technologies (Java and Javascript)
aren't related except by name.

And, by the way, I have just tested Seamonkey with Java 1.7.0.17 on the
ACID3 page (which uses a lot of Javascript) and it passed with no problems.

http://acid3.acidtests.org/


had a reading of 98/100 on SM 2.0.14
failed miserably on Firefox 20.

here's what it looked like on FireFox 20.05 (Think that's the latest 
version.)

http://www.screencast.com/t/CkCflIgam10

Although the 100/100 worked the colored boxes were completely slammed.

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Re: java update

[Roger Fink]

 Original Message 

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:04, Roger Fink told the world:

FWIW, while the latest java update, 1.7.0.17 appears to work well, it
also knocks out javascript in SeaMonkey 2.15.2, at least that was my
experience (Firefox 18.0.1 was unaffected).

I reverted back to 1.7.0.15.


I don't see how it could "knock out" javascript, since javascript is
embedded in the Gecko engine, and Java is a plug-in. That is, Java only
receives code that has been handed to it by Gecko. If it's Javascript,
Gecko won't hand it to Java. The two technologies (Java and Javascript)
aren't related except by name.

And, by the way, I have just tested Seamonkey with Java 1.7.0.17 on the
ACID3 page (which uses a lot of Javascript) and it passed with no problems.

http://acid3.acidtests.org/


I understand that the "relationship" between the two is just an accident 
of language, or careless use of language, but the sequence of events was 
hard to miss and Win7 system restore did what it was supposed to do. 
Everything is fine now except that I'm back to the older version. I 
posted this because I wanted to see if other people experienced the same 
problem.




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Re: java update

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 12:04, Roger Fink told the world:
> FWIW, while the latest java update, 1.7.0.17 appears to work well, it 
> also knocks out javascript in SeaMonkey 2.15.2, at least that was my 
> experience (Firefox 18.0.1 was unaffected).
> 
> I reverted back to 1.7.0.15.
> 

I don't see how it could "knock out" javascript, since javascript is
embedded in the Gecko engine, and Java is a plug-in. That is, Java only
receives code that has been handed to it by Gecko. If it's Javascript,
Gecko won't hand it to Java. The two technologies (Java and Javascript)
aren't related except by name.

And, by the way, I have just tested Seamonkey with Java 1.7.0.17 on the
ACID3 page (which uses a lot of Javascript) and it passed with no problems.

http://acid3.acidtests.org/

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java update

[Roger Fink]

FWIW, while the latest java update, 1.7.0.17 appears to work well, it 
also knocks out javascript in SeaMonkey 2.15.2, at least that was my 
experience (Firefox 18.0.1 was unaffected).


I reverted back to 1.7.0.15.

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Re: Deleted Cookies Blocking Future Cookies

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


When I delete a cookie, there is a checkbox that -- if checked --
prevents its domain from setting any future cookies.  Does this
checkbox have a preference variable?


Are you asking whether this particular domain setting will show up in 
about:config? No; that will show up in the Data Manager.


Or are you asking whether about:config contains a pref that tells the 
program whether to prompt or not? There are several prefs at Edit | 
Preferences | Advanced | Privacy & Security, and over a dozen in 
about:config (filter on "cookie"), so I must conclude that some of the 
config prefs are not presented in the UI. But it's not immediately 
obvious from the name which of the config prefs tells the program to 
prompt or not.


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Re: Java is Blocked again today

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2013 09:47, MCBastos told the world:
> By the way, there's a new Java out. Again. It seems Oracle never runs
> out of holes to patch...
> 

Addendum: they even updated Java 6, AFTER they said they wouldn't do
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Re: Java is Blocked again today

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By the way, there's a new Java out. Again. It seems Oracle never runs
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Re: Deleted Cookies Blocking Future Cookies

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

David E. Ross wrote:

> When I delete a cookie, there is a checkbox that -- if checked --
> prevents its domain from setting any future cookies.  Does this checkbox
> have a preference variable?

Not to my knowledge. Why should it, as it is by domain? If you UNcheck the 
box for a particular domain name, and select Deny, the box will remain 
UNchecked the next time that individual domain name asks you about the 
next occurrence of that cookie(s).

I'm sure you already know that the cookie preference for sub-domains is a 
separate setting -- such as cookies for "example.com" and for 
"ads.example.com".

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Incorrect text encoding when showing some e-mails

[Kjell Rilbe]

Hi,

Since about a week ago, some e-mails show up incorrectly in my SeaMonkey 
(2.16 on Win7 64 bit).


Checking the source for two e-mails, one showing correctly and one 
incorrectly, I see no difference regarding content encoding.


They look like this (source):

===
== Showing correctly ==
===
...
Content-Type: multipart/related;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CE1995.6EEB29D0";
type="multipart/alternative"
MIME-Version: 1.0

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

--=_NextPart_000_00B2_01CE1995.6EEB29D0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_001_00B3_01CE1995.6EEB29D0"


--=_NextPart_001_00B3_01CE1995.6EEB29D0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sv=E5rt att s=E4ga vad vi kan g=F6ra just nu. Det tar ju ett tag f=F6r en s=
...
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== Showing correctly ==
===

=
== Showing incorrectly ==
=
...
Content-Type: multipart/related;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_00BB_01CE1997.3FFF86F0";
type="multipart/alternative"
MIME-Version: 1.0

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

--=_NextPart_000_00BB_01CE1997.3FFF86F0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_001_00BC_01CE1997.3FFF86F0"


--=_NextPart_001_00BC_01CE1997.3FFF86F0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Det =E4r nog egentligen inget nytt just nu. Det har nog varit s=E5h=E4r upp=
emot en m=E5nad, men f=F6rst nu har jag hajat det jag skrev nedan.

Kjell

Den 2013-03-05 11:33 skrev Magnus Rooth s=E5h=E4r:
Sv=E5rt att s=E4ga vad vi kan g=F6ra just nu. Det tar ju ett tag f=F6r en s=
...
=
== Showing incorrectly ==
=

The text at the end appears like this in the first message (correct):
"Svårt att säga vad vi kan göra just nu. Det tar ju ett tag för en s"

The same text appears like this in the second message (incorrect):
"Svårt att säga vad vi kan göra just nu. Det tar ju ett tag för en s"

In both cases the chosen character encoding for display is Windows-1252, 
as specified in the e-mail sources. If I change to UTF-8 for the second 
(incorrect) message, the diaplay changes into this:
"Sv�rt att s�ga vad vi kan g�ra just nu. Det tar ju ett tag f�r 
en s"


Worse...

What might be causing this?

Regards,
Kjell

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