Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[David E. Ross]

On 6/6/2014 10:51 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> recently there was a discussion in this NG regarding the behavior of
> monospace in the message pane. Now there is a change. I am not sure if
> this was done on purpose or if it is a bug. Pictures tell more than many
> words. :)
> 
> Until today:
> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140607-1.png
> 
> Now:
> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140607-2.png
> 
> My settings:
> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140607-3.png
> Additional, Message Display is set to Fixed Width.
> 
> I can get the old behavior if i check 'Allow documents to use other
> fonts'. That will also affect the browser, though. I am not happy with
> the change. Do you think it is a bug?
> 
> Hartmut
> 

Because I often switch profiles and do not want to lose my current
newsgroup or E-mail session when I do that, I use Thunderbird instead of
SeaMonkey for mail and news.  Thunderbird has an option "Use fixed width
font for plain text messages".  Is there not such an option for
SeaMonkey's mail and news?  In Thunderbird, it is at [Display >
Formatting > Advanced].

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Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[David E. Ross]

On 6/7/2014 7:57 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 6/6/2014 10:51 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> recently there was a discussion in this NG regarding the behavior of
>> monospace in the message pane. Now there is a change. I am not sure if
>> this was done on purpose or if it is a bug. Pictures tell more than many
>> words. :)
>>
>> Until today:
>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140607-1.png
>>
>> Now:
>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140607-2.png
>>
>> My settings:
>> http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140607-3.png
>> Additional, Message Display is set to Fixed Width.
>>
>> I can get the old behavior if i check 'Allow documents to use other
>> fonts'. That will also affect the browser, though. I am not happy with
>> the change. Do you think it is a bug?
>>
>> Hartmut
>>
> 
> Because I often switch profiles and do not want to lose my current
> newsgroup or E-mail session when I do that, I use Thunderbird instead of
> SeaMonkey for mail and news.  Thunderbird has an option "Use fixed width
> font for plain text messages".  Is there not such an option for
> SeaMonkey's mail and news?  In Thunderbird, it is at [Display >
> Formatting > Advanced].
> 

In SeaMonkey, try [Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Message
Display].  There is a radio button for "Fixed width" under "Plain ext
messages".

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Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[Hartmut Figge]

David E. Ross:
>On 6/7/2014 7:57 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 6/6/2014 10:51 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

>>> Additional, Message Display is set to Fixed Width.
^^

>> Because I often switch profiles and do not want to lose my current
>> newsgroup or E-mail session when I do that, I use Thunderbird instead of
>> SeaMonkey for mail and news.  Thunderbird has an option "Use fixed width
>> font for plain text messages".  Is there not such an option for
>> SeaMonkey's mail and news?  In Thunderbird, it is at [Display >
>> Formatting > Advanced].
>> 
>
>In SeaMonkey, try [Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Message
>Display].  There is a radio button for "Fixed width" under "Plain ext
>messages".

At the moment i am assuming a regression. Perhaps fixed in the next
build. Difficult to see this kind of change done on purpose, but i have
been wrong about other cases.

Hartmut
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Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[WaltS48]

On 06/07/2014 11:15 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

David E. Ross:

On 6/7/2014 7:57 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/6/2014 10:51 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:



Additional, Message Display is set to Fixed Width.

 ^^


Because I often switch profiles and do not want to lose my current
newsgroup or E-mail session when I do that, I use Thunderbird instead of
SeaMonkey for mail and news.  Thunderbird has an option "Use fixed width
font for plain text messages".  Is there not such an option for
SeaMonkey's mail and news?  In Thunderbird, it is at [Display >
Formatting > Advanced].



In SeaMonkey, try [Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Message
Display].  There is a radio button for "Fixed width" under "Plain ext
messages".


At the moment i am assuming a regression. Perhaps fixed in the next
build. Difficult to see this kind of change done on purpose, but i have
been wrong about other cases.

Hartmut




One wonders where you are getting the source for your home brew build of 
2.29, since there haven't been any Linux builds of 2.27 for a beta, 
2.28a2 for an Aurora, or a 2.29a1 Nightly, or how you are even building it.


[983536 – libpango version >= 1.22.0 required on 
Linux](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=983536)


[943740 – Seamonkey Nightly and Aurora are not being built on Linux and 
Mac platforms](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943740)



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Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[Hartmut Figge]

WaltS48:

>One wonders where you are getting the source for your home brew build of 
>2.29,

That's easy. :)

hafi@i5_64 ~ $ cat ~/hg-moz/cb
# http://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:hg-based_build

# pull comm-central:
# hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/ src
# cd src

SOURCE=~/hg-moz
SOURCEDIR=$SOURCE/src

cd $SOURCEDIR

# update/pull all other needed source via client.py
python client.py -vv checkout

>since there haven't been any Linux builds of 2.27 for a beta, 
>2.28a2 for an Aurora, or a 2.29a1 Nightly, or how you are even building it.
>
>[983536 – libpango version >= 1.22.0 required on 
>Linux](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=983536)

hafi@i5_64 ~ $ emerge -p pango

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R] x11-libs/pango-1.36.3

>[943740 – Seamonkey Nightly and Aurora are not being built on Linux and 
>Mac platforms](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943740)

If it is a regression, then there is a good chance that TB is also affected.

Hartmut
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Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[Hartmut Figge]

Hartmut Figge:

>If it is a regression, then there is a good chance that TB is also affected.

TB may be affected anyway. As for SM, there are builds available for Win
and Mac. Perhaps a user of one of them will comment here. For Linux
x86_64, sometimes i am uploading builds for others.

http://www.triffids.de/pub/sm/hafi/

Hartmut
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Re: blocking by website

[Geoff Welsh]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 6/7/14 7:19 AM +0900, stan wrote:

I have two computers connected to web via same IP ISP. One got blocked
so I cant load to certain website. The other did not. They both us
SM2.26 and cookies are disabled.

I have checked all environmental variables and they appear same.

Is there anything new lately which identifies certain PC via the
browser, some hidden info which can be monitored by the website into
which you want to load?


Cookies, ID used to login to site, trust settings for certificates ...
all can either identify a particular PC or get in the way of accessing a
site. That said, the most typical issue that causes a site to magically
become blocked is malware on the system.


I've had my Linksys router do it numerous times.
GW
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Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[Geoff Welsh]

Hartmut Figge wrote:

Greetings,

recently there was a discussion in this NG regarding the behavior of
monospace in the message pane. Now there is a change. I am not sure if
this was done on purpose or if it is a bug. Pictures tell more than many
words. :)

Until today:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140607-1.png

Now:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140607-2.png

My settings:
http://www.triffids.de/pub/screenshot/sm140607-3.png

>

Additional, Message Display is set to Fixed Width.



wouldn't a question about a "Trunk" build be better asked in the 
Developers group?


It took me a week to get my messages displaying correctly after I 
started that referenced thread.


GW
staying on 2.23 due to Bug 972690 and Bug 970456

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latest observation of dumbness

[Geoff Welsh]

Since buying a machine with OS X 10.9, up from 10.6, 10.5, and 10.4 on 
my 3 others, I was (am) disappointed to find that Windowshade X was 
abandoned and am trying to get used to switching back and forth from the 
Mail/News window and the Browser window in new ways.


here's what's really dumb:

from the "Window" drop-down on the Apple/Main menu bar I see:

⌘ 1  is for Browser
⌘ 2  is for Mail/News

and below that it says

1  and a title for the Mail/News window
2  and a title for the Browser window.

those lower 1, and 2, should match the above 1 and 2 not contradict.
or just not /be/ numbers.

I keep clicking the wrong thing.
It's probably been that way forever, I just never needed to use it b4.

GW

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Re: latest observation of dumbness

[Rufus]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

Since buying a machine with OS X 10.9, up from 10.6, 10.5, and 10.4 on
my 3 others, I was (am) disappointed to find that Windowshade X was
abandoned and am trying to get used to switching back and forth from the
Mail/News window and the Browser window in new ways.

here's what's really dumb:

from the "Window" drop-down on the Apple/Main menu bar I see:

⌘ 1  is for Browser
⌘ 2  is for Mail/News

and below that it says

1  and a title for the Mail/News window
2  and a title for the Browser window.

those lower 1, and 2, should match the above 1 and 2 not contradict.
or just not /be/ numbers.

I keep clicking the wrong thing.
It's probably been that way forever, I just never needed to use it b4.

GW



...I thought Windowshade got ditched a *long* time ago?..

...but there's a replacement -

http://www.rgbworld.com/windowmizer

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Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[Barry Edwin Gilmour]

WaltS48 wrote on 06/07/2014 11:27 PM:

On 06/07/2014 11:15 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

David E. Ross:

On 6/7/2014 7:57 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/6/2014 10:51 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:



Additional, Message Display is set to Fixed Width.

 ^^


Because I often switch profiles and do not want to lose my current
newsgroup or E-mail session when I do that, I use Thunderbird 
instead of
SeaMonkey for mail and news.  Thunderbird has an option "Use fixed 
width

font for plain text messages".  Is there not such an option for
SeaMonkey's mail and news?  In Thunderbird, it is at [Display >
Formatting > Advanced].



In SeaMonkey, try [Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Message
Display].  There is a radio button for "Fixed width" under "Plain ext
messages".


At the moment i am assuming a regression. Perhaps fixed in the next
build. Difficult to see this kind of change done on purpose, but i have
been wrong about other cases.

Hartmut




One wonders where you are getting the source for your home brew build 
of 2.29, since there haven't been any Linux builds of 2.27 for a beta, 
2.28a2 for an Aurora, or a 2.29a1 Nightly, or how you are even 
building it.


[983536 – libpango version >= 1.22.0 required on 
Linux](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=983536)


[943740 – Seamonkey Nightly and Aurora are not being built on Linux 
and Mac platforms](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943740)




You might find this page's instructions much easier:-

To enable good multimedia, include libvpx,gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, and 
libpulse-dev aka pulseaudio-libs-devel (has better AF than ALSA).


I had been having a few build problems, but NoOp put me onto a page that 
advised updating to the latest nspr, nss and sqlite libs, which fixed my 
build failures.





HTH
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Re: latest observation of dumbness

[Trane Francks]

On 6/8/14 4:00 AM +0900, Geoff Welsh wrote:

Since buying a machine with OS X 10.9, up from 10.6, 10.5, and 10.4 on
my 3 others, I was (am) disappointed to find that Windowshade X was
abandoned and am trying to get used to switching back and forth from the
Mail/News window and the Browser window in new ways.

here's what's really dumb:

from the "Window" drop-down on the Apple/Main menu bar I see:

⌘ 1  is for Browser
⌘ 2  is for Mail/News

and below that it says

1  and a title for the Mail/News window
2  and a title for the Browser window.

those lower 1, and 2, should match the above 1 and 2 not contradict.
or just not /be/ numbers.

I keep clicking the wrong thing.
It's probably been that way forever, I just never needed to use it b4.

GW

I'm not sure why you think that Cmd-1 and Cmd-2 should be equivalent to 
the numbers of the currently open windows. For example, I could have 17 
browser windows open and no Mail/News at all. What would you expect the 
window numbers to be in such a case? The numbers in the Window menu are 
listed in order they were opened, precisely as one would logically expect.


Cmd-1, etc. are accelerator keys to open or bring focus to specific 
windows. In the case of Cmd-1, repeating that sequence will toggle 
through all open browser windows. Cmd-2 will toggle through all open 
mail/news windows. It's a useful variation on Cmd-`, which toggles 
through all open windows for the application in focus. Opt-F10 (or 
whatever related key is on your keyboard) is also a useful way for 
graphically navigating the windows associated with the application that 
currently has focus.


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Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[GerardJan]

Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote:

WaltS48 wrote on 06/07/2014 11:27 PM:

On 06/07/2014 11:15 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:

David E. Ross:

On 6/7/2014 7:57 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 6/6/2014 10:51 PM, Hartmut Figge wrote:



Additional, Message Display is set to Fixed Width.

 ^^


Because I often switch profiles and do not want to lose my current
newsgroup or E-mail session when I do that, I use Thunderbird instead of
SeaMonkey for mail and news.  Thunderbird has an option "Use fixed width
font for plain text messages".  Is there not such an option for
SeaMonkey's mail and news?  In Thunderbird, it is at [Display >
Formatting > Advanced].



In SeaMonkey, try [Edit > Preferences > Mail & Newsgroups > Message
Display].  There is a radio button for "Fixed width" under "Plain ext
messages".


At the moment i am assuming a regression. Perhaps fixed in the next
build. Difficult to see this kind of change done on purpose, but i have
been wrong about other cases.

Hartmut




One wonders where you are getting the source for your home brew build of 2.29,
since there haven't been any Linux builds of 2.27 for a beta, 2.28a2 for an
Aurora, or a 2.29a1 Nightly, or how you are even building it.

[983536 – libpango version >= 1.22.0 required on
Linux](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=983536)

[943740 – Seamonkey Nightly and Aurora are not being built on Linux and Mac
platforms](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943740)



You might find this page's instructions much easier:-

To enable good multimedia, include libvpx,gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, and libpulse-dev
aka pulseaudio-libs-devel (has better AF than ALSA).

I had been having a few build problems, but NoOp put me onto a page that advised
updating to the latest nspr, nss and sqlite libs, which fixed my build failures.






HTH


Hartmut Figge:

> If it is a regression, then there is a good chance that TB is also affected.

TB may be affected anyway. As for SM, there are builds available for Win
and Mac. Perhaps a user of one of them will comment here. For Linux
x86_64, sometimes i am uploading builds for others.

http://www.triffids.de/pub/sm/hafi/

Hartmut

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:32.0) Gecko/2014060702 
Firefox/32.0 SeaMonkey/2.29a1-h

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Re: latest observation of dumbness

[Trane Francks]

On 6/8/14 12:11 PM +0900, Trane Francks wrote:


through all open windows for the application in focus. Opt-F10 (or
whatever related key is on your keyboard) is also a useful way for
graphically navigating the windows associated with the application that
currently has focus.


Correction: That should be Fn-F10. D'oh.

In any case, I see nothing wrong with the window numbering of SeaMonkey. 
It has been that way since the Nyetscrap Communicator days, if I recall 
correctly.


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Re: latest observation of dumbness

[GerardJan]

Trane Francks wrote:

On 6/8/14 12:11 PM +0900, Trane Francks wrote:


through all open windows for the application in focus. Opt-F10 (or
whatever related key is on your keyboard) is also a useful way for
graphically navigating the windows associated with the application that
currently has focus.


Correction: That should be Fn-F10. D'oh.

In any case, I see nothing wrong with the window numbering of SeaMonkey. It has
been that way since the Nyetscrap Communicator days, if I recall correctly.




Vink

The public demands certainties;  it must be told definitely and a bit
raucously that this is true and that is false.  But there are no certainties.
-- H.L. Mencken, "Prejudice"

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:32.0) Gecko/2014060702 
Firefox/32.0 SeaMonkey/2.29a1-h

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Re: Change in displaying monospace fonts in current Trunk

[Hartmut Figge]

Geoff Welsh:

>wouldn't a question about a "Trunk" build be better asked in the 
>Developers group?

Either dev-apps-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org or directly filing a bug. If
it is a bug. To determine that the opinion of other users can be useful.

My new build shows no improvement. I was not able to find a related bug.

Hartmut
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