date:20141116

Re: SM Crashes when using StreetView inside GoogleMaps

2014-11-16 Thread Daniel


On 16/11/14 03:12, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:49:13 -0500, Ed Mullen 
wrote:


Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote on 11/15/2014 8:24 AM:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 20:16:24 +1100, Daniel 
wrote:


On 15/11/14 13:13, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:




 . I am on 2.31b1. But I am a

proactive, not

reactive person and I am willing to bear some bugs in beta form and
report any issues I find.


Your User Agent is showing as "ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272"

Do you mung your User Agent??


Agent is an NNTP program, not the user agent string.



When I view source of you post I see:

"User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272"


Yes. Please see: http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

TCW, I am aware of ForteAgent, I think I've seen it around for well over 
a decade, but you posted " I am on 2.31b1. But I am a proactive, not 
reactive person and I am willing to bear some bugs in beta form and 
report any issues I find."


Yet here you are posting with a totally different program!! Or do you 
use SM betas for your browsing and Mail, but ForteAgent for NG's??


--
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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.29 Build identifier: 20140829003846

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:34.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.31 Build identifier: 20141020202138

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[OT] SM 2.26.1 v 2.29.1+ - was Re: blip.tv's videos don't show in SM v2.26.1?

2014-11-16 Thread NoOp

On 11/14/2014 08:18 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 11/13/2014 2:11 PM, MCBastos wrote:
>> On 12/11/2014 04:47, Ant wrote:
>>> But it works in v2.30. Is anyone else seeing this too or just me on my 
>>> three different computers (Windows (XP Pro SP3 * 64-bit 7 EE SP1)) and 
>>> 64-bit Debian stable? I also have the latest Flash players.
>> 
>> Wait... you are saying that something doesn't work in the old version...
>> but it works in the new version...
>> 
>> Seems to me that either some necessary functionality has been added, or
>> a bug has been fixed.
>> 
>> My recommendation: upgrade to the version that works. The old version is
>> *not* going to get fixed.
>> 
> 
> I am sticking with SeaMonkey 2.26.1 until saved passwords can
> be used when autocomplete=off.  See
> .
> 

Cool. In your bug report you indicate that the blocking issue (saved
password used when autocomplete=off) is a possible 'security' issue.
Given your concern for security, how are you handling the NSS security
issue that is fixed in 29.1?

(RSA Signature Forgery in NSS)
the same issue that caused all of these folks to patch their systems &
browsers as well:

I would much rather take the time to type in my password on the second
screen that subject my system to this NSS vulnerabilty.

That said, I reckon that you/we should start a new thread regarding this
subject rather than polluting Ant's thread any further with OT issues, eh?

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Re: SM Crashes when using StreetView inside GoogleMaps

2014-11-16 Thread Ray_Net


Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 16/11/2014 16:19:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:14:07 -0500, Ed Mullen 
wrote:


Ray_Net wrote on 11/15/2014 2:26 PM:

Ed Mullen wrote, On 15/11/2014 17:52:

Ray_Net wrote on 11/15/2014 11:28 AM:

Backup your boot drive (do an image/drive backup) before installing
the new driver if you're at all worried.  Then you can always fall
back on the previous drive image.


I cannot do that.

And why is that?

Are you not running automatic backup of your system(s) already?

Are you incapable of finding, buying, installing, and running a piece of
software that will protect you from a disaster?

Or do you simply not care?

Are you not interested in ensuring that, should you have a hardware or
software failure in the future, you can restore your system(s)?

I am at a loss to reply beyond this.  And, honestly, if you're being
honest, if this is how clueless your are, then you probably should have
all of your computers taken away from you.

Well, no, it's okay.  Keep them and keep using them.  And when they fail
... ?

No sympathy here.

It's called System Restore or Last Known Good Config. Not everyone
Ghosts or uses CloneZilla for simple restore operations. No need to
berate the OP.

Why Ed Mullen is it so agressive ?

For my backup, i count on:
1. Magic keys to re-instate windows as it was out of factory.
2. I do backup NOT AUTOMATIC with "Synchronize It!" (new things are 
copied - remove things are removed - changed things are overwritted) for:
- C:\Backup-SM-profile\*.* (a copy of my SM profile (the current profile 
is when i manage C:\Users\RZ\*.*))

- C:\ALLDATA\*.* (all my data)
- C:\PHOTOS\*.* (all my photos)
- C:\FROM-XP\*.* (Some interesting files from my old pc)
- C:\Users\RZ\*.*  (i am the only user of y pc)
- C:\ADDON\*.* (What i have added on my pc (software))
- C:\Abyss Web Server\htdocs\*.*   (the copy of my various website i have)

I think that it's enough  sorry for not taking an iso image on my 
complete pc.


What do you think ?
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Re: SM Crashes when using StreetView inside GoogleMaps

2014-11-16 Thread Ray_Net

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 16/11/2014 00:31:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 15/11/2014 17:15:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:55:01 +0100, Ray_Net
wrote:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 15/11/2014 14:30:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:34:42 +0100, Ray_Net
wrote:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 15/11/2014 03:13:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 23:43:03 +0100, Ray_Net
wrote:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 14/11/2014 14:47:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:36:04 +0100, Ray_Net
wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, On 13/11/2014 22:19:

On 11/13/2014 1:00 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, On 13/11/2014 19:17:

On 11/13/2014 8:07 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

This is the second occurrence: bp-ced0a98a-fbae-4da7-974e-8554d2141113
The first was: bp-5e2bebbb-695b-49e4-96f4-bb2da2141105

Both of them points to bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759749

With the Status: RESOLVED FIXED

But not for me :-) It's not resolved nor fixed.

What can i do to get the correction ? Because reading the text of the
bug 759749 is incomprehensible/abstruse for me.

Although supposedly fixed this past January, several users (not only
you) have reported crashes since then.

Yes, i have also readed that, but in what SM version this bug is
supposed be fixed ?
I have 2.26.1

It was supposed to be fixed with Gecko 29, which is what SeaMonkey
2.26.1 uses.

Apparently there was a problem with my server settings and my reply to
you never made it through so here's a re-post:

Some talk on Bugzilla suggested that Google actually changed something
but it has not been determined as true. But there are also these bugs:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1085203
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1090338

My hunch is it's still related to OMTC.

Also, please type about:support into the
URL bar and past the Graphics section to your reply.

Here is the content:
Graphics
Adapter DescriptionMobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family
Adapter Driversigdumdx32 igd10umd32
Adapter RAMUnknown
Device ID0x2a42
Direct2D Enabledtrue
DirectWrite Enabledtrue (6.2.9200.16571)
Driver Date10-15-2010
Driver Version8.15.10.2226
GPU #2 Activefalse
GPU Accelerated Windows3/3 Direct3D 10
Vendor ID0x8086
WebGL RendererGoogle Inc. -- ANGLE (Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express
Chipset Family Direct3D9Ex vs_3_0 ps_3_0)
windowLayerManagerRemotefalse
AzureCanvasBackenddirect2d
AzureContentBackenddirect2d
AzureFallbackCanvasBackendcairo
AzureSkiaAccelerated0

So from this I can see you're trying to use 2008 hardware with a 2013
OS. That GMA X4500 is not validated to work with Win 8/8.1. I suspect
that if you upgrade to some newer version of SM down the road, you'll
experience more and worse issues due to the change to OMTC. Well, at
least until the remaining OMTC issues figured out. And the issues
affecting people are *primarily* driver related. People using outdated
hardware on OSes they were not meant to run. The hardware is just
showing age and limitations.

I never try something :-)
I did not have an 2013 OS ... You said that my hadware is not validated
to work with Win 8, but i am, from the beginning near may 2011.
My OS is Win 7 Pro SP1 and i will not upgrade to Win8.
In fact to tell me that i should change my pc to avoid problem with new
versions of SM ... :-( So i must stay with my 2.26.1 but you ask
further why i did not upgrade my SM.
Finally must i stay with 2.26.1 or must i upgrade ?

Odd. It shows DirectWrite Enabledtrue (6.2.9200.16571) which is a
WIn 8 file. If you're on Win 7 then it seems the guys in Redmond are
just culling Win 8 DLLs and using them in WIn 7. Oh well.

In any case, try updating the Intel video drivers to the last version
available for your VGA chip: 15.17.19.2869. It seems you are using
32-bit windows so try these and report back.
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&FamilyId=39&ProductID=2991&ProdId=2991

Thanks for your precise answer/counsel ...but reading this:
These software drivers are generic versions and can be used for general
purposes. However, computer original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) may
have altered the features, incorporated customizations, or made other
changes to the software or software packaging they provide. To avoid any
potential installation incompatibilities on your OEM system, Intel
recommends that you check with your OEM and use the software provided by
your system manufacturer.

on the page: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=22165

Make me reluctant to install a new driver, because my pc is a DELL
laptop with a pre-installed Windows.

Dell does not make the VGA driver, Intel does so no harm. I mange
about 1000+ Dells of various makes and models (960, 980, 7010). I
never use Dell's drivers, I only use Intel's. Dell is notorious for
*not* updating the drivers even when newer ones are release by Intel.
Dell does not modify the original Intel ones, they simply re-packa

Re: SM Crashes when using StreetView inside GoogleMaps

2014-11-16 Thread Ed Mullen


Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote on 11/16/2014 10:19 AM:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:14:07 -0500, Ed Mullen 
wrote:


Ray_Net wrote on 11/15/2014 2:26 PM:

Ed Mullen wrote, On 15/11/2014 17:52:

Ray_Net wrote on 11/15/2014 11:28 AM:

Backup your boot drive (do an image/drive backup) before installing
the new driver if you're at all worried.  Then you can always fall
back on the previous drive image.


I cannot do that.


And why is that?

Are you not running automatic backup of your system(s) already?

Are you incapable of finding, buying, installing, and running a piece of
software that will protect you from a disaster?

Or do you simply not care?

Are you not interested in ensuring that, should you have a hardware or
software failure in the future, you can restore your system(s)?

I am at a loss to reply beyond this.  And, honestly, if you're being
honest, if this is how clueless your are, then you probably should have
all of your computers taken away from you.

Well, no, it's okay.  Keep them and keep using them.  And when they fail
... ?

No sympathy here.


It's called System Restore or Last Known Good Config. Not everyone
Ghosts or uses CloneZilla for simple restore operations. No need to
berate the OP.



System Restore isn't much good if you can't boot into Windows.  A good 
backup program will let you create a recovery CD to boot from and 
restore the enire disk image.  Mine also allows restoring to dissimilar 
hardware in case of a drive/machine failure.


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Re: Politico Disqus comments refuse to load in 2.30

2014-11-16 Thread NoOp

On 11/11/2014 09:46 PM, cmcadams wrote:
> Another not-so-great difference between SM 2.26.1 and 2.30 I've discovered is 
> that 
> Disqus comments refuse to load on the politico.com website. This is the case 
> on two 
> computers running 2.30, running different OSes. The only relevant add-in for 
> both is 
> Adblock Plus.
> 
> However they do load in IE 11. :P
> 
> User Agent string:
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 
> SeaMonkey/2.30
> 

Works for me:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30


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Re: SM Crashes when using StreetView inside GoogleMaps

2014-11-16 Thread Ed Mullen


Ray_Net wrote on 11/16/2014 11:34 AM:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 16/11/2014 16:19:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 22:14:07 -0500, Ed Mullen 
wrote:


Ray_Net wrote on 11/15/2014 2:26 PM:

Ed Mullen wrote, On 15/11/2014 17:52:

Ray_Net wrote on 11/15/2014 11:28 AM:

Backup your boot drive (do an image/drive backup) before installing
the new driver if you're at all worried.  Then you can always fall
back on the previous drive image.


I cannot do that.

And why is that?

Are you not running automatic backup of your system(s) already?

Are you incapable of finding, buying, installing, and running a piece of
software that will protect you from a disaster?

Or do you simply not care?

Are you not interested in ensuring that, should you have a hardware or
software failure in the future, you can restore your system(s)?

I am at a loss to reply beyond this.  And, honestly, if you're being
honest, if this is how clueless your are, then you probably should have
all of your computers taken away from you.

Well, no, it's okay.  Keep them and keep using them.  And when they fail
... ?

No sympathy here.

It's called System Restore or Last Known Good Config. Not everyone
Ghosts or uses CloneZilla for simple restore operations. No need to
berate the OP.

Why Ed Mullen is it so agressive ?

For my backup, i count on:
1. Magic keys to re-instate windows as it was out of factory.
2. I do backup NOT AUTOMATIC with "Synchronize It!" (new things are
copied - remove things are removed - changed things are overwritted) for:
- C:\Backup-SM-profile\*.* (a copy of my SM profile (the current profile
is when i manage C:\Users\RZ\*.*))
- C:\ALLDATA\*.* (all my data)
- C:\PHOTOS\*.* (all my photos)
- C:\FROM-XP\*.* (Some interesting files from my old pc)
- C:\Users\RZ\*.*  (i am the only user of y pc)
- C:\ADDON\*.* (What i have added on my pc (software))
- C:\Abyss Web Server\htdocs\*.*   (the copy of my various website i have)

I think that it's enough  sorry for not taking an iso image on my
complete pc.

What do you think ?


Backing up as you do won't help if Windows crashes and won't boot up. 
It's fine for making copies of valuable files.  I do that too using a 
program similar to Synchronize It (Beyond Compare). But it won't restore 
a broken Windows installation or hard drive.


An iso image is an archive file of an OPTICAL disc.  I'm talking about a 
program like Norton Ghost, Acronis True Image, or EaseUS Todo Backup to 
make an image of the boot drive.  They all can create a rescue CD to 
boot from and restore the entire boot drive from a backup.  I haven't 
used Ghost or Acronis in years but I believe they can also restore to 
dissimilar hardware in case a drive or entire system fails.  Todo Backup 
certainly can and I've had to use it in the past.


All three of my systems run Todo Backup with regularly scheduled image 
backups at various down times (like during dinner and overnight).  My 
main system backs up daily both the boot drive and data drives.  I keep 
three image backups of each drive.  The oldest one is deleted as a new 
one is created and the first/original is never deleted.  The backups are 
on a 1Tb portable USB drive.  Periodically I take the drive and put it 
in our safe deposit box at the bank and bring home a second drive for 
the backups.


I have had to resort to such backups in the past.  It's a lot better 
than having to do a whole new Windows installation.


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feet, what would happen if you strapped a piece of toast on the back of 
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Re: SM Crashes when using StreetView inside GoogleMaps

2014-11-16 Thread Ray_Net

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 16/11/2014 20:29:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 16/11/2014 00:31:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 15/11/2014 17:15:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:55:01 +0100, Ray_Net
wrote:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 15/11/2014 14:30:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:34:42 +0100, Ray_Net
wrote:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 15/11/2014 03:13:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 23:43:03 +0100, Ray_Net
wrote:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote, On 14/11/2014 14:47:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:36:04 +0100, Ray_Net
wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, On 13/11/2014 22:19:

On 11/13/2014 1:00 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, On 13/11/2014 19:17:

On 11/13/2014 8:07 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

This is the second occurrence: bp-ced0a98a-fbae-4da7-974e-8554d2141113
The first was: bp-5e2bebbb-695b-49e4-96f4-bb2da2141105

Both of them points to bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759749

With the Status: RESOLVED FIXED

But not for me :-) It's not resolved nor fixed.

What can i do to get the correction ? Because reading the text of the
bug 759749 is incomprehensible/abstruse for me.

Although supposedly fixed this past January, several users (not only
you) have reported crashes since then.

Yes, i have also readed that, but in what SM version this bug is
supposed be fixed ?
I have 2.26.1

It was supposed to be fixed with Gecko 29, which is what SeaMonkey
2.26.1 uses.

Apparently there was a problem with my server settings and my reply to
you never made it through so here's a re-post:

My hunch is it's still related to OMTC.

Also, please type about:support into the
URL bar and past the Graphics section to your reply.

Odd. It shows DirectWrite Enabledtrue (6.2.9200.16571) which is a
WIn 8 file. If you're on Win 7 then it seems the guys in Redmond are
just culling Win 8 DLLs and using them in WIn 7. Oh well.

on the page: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=22165

Make me reluctant to install a new driver, because my pc is a DELL
laptop with a pre-installed Windows.

Re: Politico Disqus comments refuse to load in 2.30

2014-11-16 Thread cmcadams


NoOp wrote:

On 11/11/2014 09:46 PM, cmcadams wrote:

Another not-so-great difference between SM 2.26.1 and 2.30 I've discovered is 
that
Disqus comments refuse to load on the politico.com website. This is the case on 
two
computers running 2.30, running different OSes. The only relevant add-in for 
both is
Adblock Plus.

However they do load in IE 11. :P

User Agent string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30



Works for me:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/33.0 SeaMonkey/2.30




Yeah, it's me.
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To Ed Mullen

2014-11-16 Thread Jay O'Brien

Ed,

Your ejevo...@edmullen.net address bounces. I would like to compare 
my EaseUS experience with you. Please reply directly to me, thanks.

Jay O'Brien 
jayobr...@att.net

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Re: To Ed Mullen

2014-11-16 Thread David E. Ross

On 11/16/2014 3:06 PM, Jay O'Brien wrote:
> Ed,
> 
> Your ejevo...@edmullen.net address bounces. I would like to compare 
> my EaseUS experience with you. Please reply directly to me, thanks.
> 
> Jay O'Brien 
> jayobr...@att.net
> 

The address part -- ejEVOMER -- contains the word REMOVE spelled
backwards.

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I am sticking with SeaMonkey 2.26.1 until saved passwords can
be used when autocomplete=off.  See
.
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Re: To Ed Mullen

2014-11-16 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:

>>Ed,
>>
>>Your  address bounces. I would like to compare my
>>EaseUS experience with you. Please reply directly to me, thanks.
>>
>>Jay O'Brien 
> 
> Never, EVER post your real email to Usenet. Even on these news servers,
> spammers trawl for addresses to spam.

That's probably a good idea .. so why did you RE-post them? If Ed and Jay 
decide to cancel their posts, you should as well.

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Re: To Ed Mullen

2014-11-16 Thread Ed Mullen


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote on 11/16/2014 8:48 PM:

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:


Ed,

Your  address bounces. I would like to compare my
EaseUS experience with you. Please reply directly to me, thanks.

Jay O'Brien 


Never, EVER post your real email to Usenet. Even on these news servers,
spammers trawl for addresses to spam.


That's probably a good idea .. so why did you RE-post them? If Ed and Jay
decide to cancel their posts, you should as well.



Well, in fairness, he never posted my un-munged email address, just 
explained how to un-munge it.


But I do agree with you.  I used to have e...@edmullen.net and posted it 
here in the clear.  That address got horribly hammered with spam and so 
I cancelled it.  And now munge my new address as noted.


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Re: To Ed Mullen

2014-11-16 Thread Ed Mullen


Jay O'Brien wrote on 11/16/2014 6:06 PM:

Ed,

Your ejevo...@edmullen.net address bounces. I would like to compare
my EaseUS experience with you. Please reply directly to me, thanks.

Jay O'Brien
jayobr...@att.net



If you want to email me take out EVOMER from the email address and try 
again.  It's REMOVE spelled backwards.  That would leave you with two 
letters in front of the at sign.  I think you can figure out the rest 
without my spelling it out and giving all the spammers the answer.


But, might it not be useful to carry out the discussion of EaseUS 
software here in the group to benefit others?  Maybe not in this group 
but, perhaps, in mozilla.general?  Your choice.


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Is there another word for synonym?
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Re: Bookmark backups

2014-11-16 Thread okjhum

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:30:23 PM UTC+2, EE wrote:
> Why is it that with SeaMonkey 2.29, the new .jsonlz4 bookmark backups 
> will not restore, and the manual .json backups will now not restore 
> either?  Why change things so that backups are not restorable?

Why isn't this question answered, and why does the problem with bookmark 
backups prevail in 2.30 ?
Olle
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Re: SM Crashes when using StreetView inside GoogleMaps

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