Re: updating to 2.40

[Gerry Hickman]

Hi Edmund,

Auto update is now working for me on Win7 x64.
People can check "Edit : preferences : Advanced : Software 
Installation", and if it's set to weekly, they'll need to wait a bit 
longer. They can also check on the help menu, to make sure the update is 
being offered.


Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I apologize for the delay in the updates working.

I just want to ask.  Are the updates working? As in
2.35..2.39 can be updated to 2.40?  I received an
email stating that there's still an issue.

Thanks

Edmund




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Re: Problems/Questions while creating wierd/strange/aberant/??? profile

[Daniel]

On 29/04/2016 11:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 4/29/2016 6:54 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 29/04/2016 9:26 PM, Daniel wrote:

[snip]
When I look at my about:config, I can set user in the search
filter, and
it will show all prefs set by the User *in bold* along with
those prefs
that that actually have "user" in the pref name.

I suppose, if I had put "user set" in the search filter it
might have
only shown those prefs that are User Set!!


Nupe!! When I typed "user" in the search filter, there were still
plenty of prefs left on screen. When I added the space after
user, i.e. "user ", I was down to just one User Set pref, when I
added the "s" i.e. "user s", the prefs screen was empty!!

Strange!!



 I fell into same trap.
Experiment a little more and you will find the "Search" actually means
"Search *ONLY* 'Preference Name' ". :<


Yeap! That's what Paul suggested as well!

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Re: Problems/Questions while creating wierd/strange/aberant/??? profile

[Richard Owlett]

On 4/28/2016 1:04 PM, EE wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

[snip]
Problems/questions discovered while going through mechanics of
creating
a very customized profile and moving existing data to it.

1. Data Manager lists sites that should never have any permanent
reference on my machine.
 [snip]

As far as sites that you never heard of go, those are most likely
third party servers that supply content that goes with web pages
that you have requested.  There are some sites that serve images,
some that serve javascripts, and some that serve stylesheets.
There may be others that serve special items like videos or audio.



Even for the ones I recognize, there is no reason not to use my 
defaults except for the five sites for which I save passwords.

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Re: Problems/Questions while creating wierd/strange/aberant/??? profile

[Richard Owlett]

On 4/29/2016 6:54 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 29/04/2016 9:26 PM, Daniel wrote:

[snip]
When I look at my about:config, I can set user in the search
filter, and
it will show all prefs set by the User *in bold* along with
those prefs
that that actually have "user" in the pref name.

I suppose, if I had put "user set" in the search filter it
might have
only shown those prefs that are User Set!!


Nupe!! When I typed "user" in the search filter, there were still
plenty of prefs left on screen. When I added the space after
user, i.e. "user ", I was down to just one User Set pref, when I
added the "s" i.e. "user s", the prefs screen was empty!!

Strange!!



 I fell into same trap.
Experiment a little more and you will find the "Search" actually 
means "Search *ONLY* 'Preference Name' ". :<


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Re: Problems/Questions while creating wierd/strange/aberant/??? profile

[Richard Owlett]

On 4/28/2016 9:47 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


Part of my problem is that Netscape/Mozilla Suite/SeaMonkey has
always
worked so well I've had no cause to search for answers for odd
questions.

*KUDOS* to generations of developers

Problems/questions discovered while going through mechanics of
creating
a very customized profile and moving existing data to it.

1. Data Manager lists sites that should never have any permanent
reference on my machine.
The only page I could find was
 It has tabs for Cookies,
Permissions, Preferences, Passwords, and Storage Cookies: (which I
delete daily) and Passwords seem to be handled properly
Permissions
and Preferences: - what is function? I can think of no instance
where
I would like a site to deviate from my personal defaults for more
than a day. I routinely surf with cookies and JavaScript disabled.
Storage: - What is this?


The Data Manager has serious problems with user friendliness. Be
that as it may, it does kinda sorta work in some respects.

If you don't want sites to deviate from your defaults, don't list
them. Then you'll have no exceptions and none will deviate. But
if you want to visit a site that requires cookies and your
default is no cookies, it won't work. So then you'll have to make
an exception, and when you're done, remove the exception. Kind of
a PITA, eh?


There is only one site that I visit regularly that requires 
cookies and JavaScript - my bank. I use Firefox for that site 
only. Not that it is better in any way but I set its defaults for 
that site and not use it for anything else. It's a KLUDGE but 
"works for me" ;/




Partial workarounds:

1) Set SeaMonkey to accept only session cookies, which means that
each time you shut SM down the cookies are cleared.

2) Set SeaMonkey to Clear Private Data on shutdown (you can
define what it should clear and what it should retain).


That's what I've been doing [having checked "Always ask me ..."].


 Once you
establish the definition of data to be cleared, you can do it
(CPD) manually as desired without shutting down: Tools | Clear
Private Data... or CTRL-SHIFT-DEL.


I hadn't been aware of CTRL-SHIFT-DEL. Now if only if one of the 
listed preferences was "Disable JavaScript"!



2. In about:config is there any way to discover *ALL*
non-default items?


If you click the column heading "Status," the list will be sorted
on that parameter. "Default" appears first (in alphabetical
order), "User set" appears at the end. Click it again to reverse
the order.


I'm familiar with that. What I want is to save the "User Set" 
items to a file for review [I have over 200 items]. I would then 
create and appropriate user.js so creating a new "cruft-free" 
profile could be simplified.




I don't know how to discover nonstandard (user-created) keys, but
all of those should be "user set" since there can be no default
for a key that doesn't exist out of the box.


I don't recall ever intentionally creating any keys. A list of 
"user-created keys" would be useful as candidates for deletion in 
a cruft-free profile.





3. "cert8.db - Security certificate settings " - what is in
there? In
a never used profile its size is 64 kb. In my active profile it is
704 kb.


Dunno, someone else will have to answer this.


If I get no nibbles, I'll post with a "cert8.db" specific subject 
line.


Thank you.



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Re: Problems/Questions while creating wierd/strange/aberant/??? profile

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Daniel wrote:

On 29/04/2016 9:26 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 29/04/2016 12:47 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


Part of my problem is that Netscape/Mozilla Suite/SeaMonkey has always
worked so well I've had no cause to search for answers for odd
questions.

*KUDOS* to generations of developers

Problems/questions discovered while going through mechanics of creating
a very customized profile and moving existing data to it.

1. Data Manager lists sites that should never have any permanent
reference on my machine.
The only page I could find was
 It has tabs for Cookies,
Permissions, Preferences, Passwords, and Storage Cookies: (which I
delete daily) and Passwords seem to be handled properly Permissions
and Preferences: - what is function? I can think of no instance where
I would like a site to deviate from my personal defaults for more
than a day. I routinely surf with cookies and JavaScript disabled.
Storage: - What is this?


The Data Manager has serious problems with user friendliness. Be that as
it may, it does kinda sorta work in some respects.

If you don't want sites to deviate from your defaults, don't list them.
Then you'll have no exceptions and none will deviate. But if you want to
visit a site that requires cookies and your default is no cookies, it
won't work. So then you'll have to make an exception, and when you're
done, remove the exception. Kind of a PITA, eh?

Partial workarounds:

1) Set SeaMonkey to accept only session cookies, which means that each
time you shut SM down the cookies are cleared.

2) Set SeaMonkey to Clear Private Data on shutdown (you can define what
it should clear and what it should retain). Once you establish the
definition of data to be cleared, you can do it (CPD) manually as
desired without shutting down: Tools | Clear Private Data... or
CTRL-SHIFT-DEL.

Definition here: Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | Private Data.


2. In about:config is there any way to discover *ALL* non-default
items?


If you click the column heading "Status," the list will be sorted on
that parameter. "Default" appears first (in alphabetical order), "User
set" appears at the end. Click it again to reverse the order.

I don't know how to discover nonstandard (user-created) keys, but all of
those should be "user set" since there can be no default for a key that
doesn't exist out of the box.


When I look at my about:config, I can set user in the search filter, and
it will show all prefs set by the User *in bold* along with those prefs
that that actually have "user" in the pref name.

I suppose, if I had put "user set" in the search filter it might have
only shown those prefs that are User Set!!


Nupe!! When I typed "user" in the search filter, there were still plenty
of prefs left on screen. When I added the space after user, i.e. "user
", I was down to just one User Set pref, when I added the "s" i.e. "user
s", the prefs screen was empty!!

Strange!!


Well, that's because it's filtering on the /name/ of the key, not its 
parameters.


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Re: Problems/Questions while creating wierd/strange/aberant/??? profile

[Daniel]

On 29/04/2016 9:26 PM, Daniel wrote:

On 29/04/2016 12:47 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


Part of my problem is that Netscape/Mozilla Suite/SeaMonkey has always
worked so well I've had no cause to search for answers for odd
questions.

*KUDOS* to generations of developers

Problems/questions discovered while going through mechanics of creating
a very customized profile and moving existing data to it.

1. Data Manager lists sites that should never have any permanent
reference on my machine.
The only page I could find was
 It has tabs for Cookies,
Permissions, Preferences, Passwords, and Storage Cookies: (which I
delete daily) and Passwords seem to be handled properly Permissions
and Preferences: - what is function? I can think of no instance where
I would like a site to deviate from my personal defaults for more
than a day. I routinely surf with cookies and JavaScript disabled.
Storage: - What is this?


The Data Manager has serious problems with user friendliness. Be that as
it may, it does kinda sorta work in some respects.

If you don't want sites to deviate from your defaults, don't list them.
Then you'll have no exceptions and none will deviate. But if you want to
visit a site that requires cookies and your default is no cookies, it
won't work. So then you'll have to make an exception, and when you're
done, remove the exception. Kind of a PITA, eh?

Partial workarounds:

1) Set SeaMonkey to accept only session cookies, which means that each
time you shut SM down the cookies are cleared.

2) Set SeaMonkey to Clear Private Data on shutdown (you can define what
it should clear and what it should retain). Once you establish the
definition of data to be cleared, you can do it (CPD) manually as
desired without shutting down: Tools | Clear Private Data... or
CTRL-SHIFT-DEL.

Definition here: Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | Private Data.


2. In about:config is there any way to discover *ALL* non-default items?


If you click the column heading "Status," the list will be sorted on
that parameter. "Default" appears first (in alphabetical order), "User
set" appears at the end. Click it again to reverse the order.

I don't know how to discover nonstandard (user-created) keys, but all of
those should be "user set" since there can be no default for a key that
doesn't exist out of the box.


When I look at my about:config, I can set user in the search filter, and
it will show all prefs set by the User *in bold* along with those prefs
that that actually have "user" in the pref name.

I suppose, if I had put "user set" in the search filter it might have
only shown those prefs that are User Set!!

Nupe!! When I typed "user" in the search filter, there were still plenty 
of prefs left on screen. When I added the space after user, i.e. "user 
", I was down to just one User Set pref, when I added the "s" i.e. "user 
s", the prefs screen was empty!!


Strange!!

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Re: Problems/Questions while creating wierd/strange/aberant/??? profile

[Daniel]

On 29/04/2016 12:47 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:


Part of my problem is that Netscape/Mozilla Suite/SeaMonkey has always
worked so well I've had no cause to search for answers for odd questions.

*KUDOS* to generations of developers

Problems/questions discovered while going through mechanics of creating
a very customized profile and moving existing data to it.

1. Data Manager lists sites that should never have any permanent
reference on my machine.
The only page I could find was
 It has tabs for Cookies,
Permissions, Preferences, Passwords, and Storage Cookies: (which I
delete daily) and Passwords seem to be handled properly Permissions
and Preferences: - what is function? I can think of no instance where
I would like a site to deviate from my personal defaults for more
than a day. I routinely surf with cookies and JavaScript disabled.
Storage: - What is this?


The Data Manager has serious problems with user friendliness. Be that as
it may, it does kinda sorta work in some respects.

If you don't want sites to deviate from your defaults, don't list them.
Then you'll have no exceptions and none will deviate. But if you want to
visit a site that requires cookies and your default is no cookies, it
won't work. So then you'll have to make an exception, and when you're
done, remove the exception. Kind of a PITA, eh?

Partial workarounds:

1) Set SeaMonkey to accept only session cookies, which means that each
time you shut SM down the cookies are cleared.

2) Set SeaMonkey to Clear Private Data on shutdown (you can define what
it should clear and what it should retain). Once you establish the
definition of data to be cleared, you can do it (CPD) manually as
desired without shutting down: Tools | Clear Private Data... or
CTRL-SHIFT-DEL.

Definition here: Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | Private Data.


2. In about:config is there any way to discover *ALL* non-default items?


If you click the column heading "Status," the list will be sorted on
that parameter. "Default" appears first (in alphabetical order), "User
set" appears at the end. Click it again to reverse the order.

I don't know how to discover nonstandard (user-created) keys, but all of
those should be "user set" since there can be no default for a key that
doesn't exist out of the box.


When I look at my about:config, I can set user in the search filter, and 
it will show all prefs set by the User *in bold* along with those prefs 
that that actually have "user" in the pref name.


I suppose, if I had put "user set" in the search filter it might have 
only shown those prefs that are User Set!!


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SeaMonkey/2.40 Build identifier: 20160120202951

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