Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union!

[Iacopo Benesperi]

Frank-Rainer Grahl ha scritto:
> But what we need even more is people to help out. Even if you are not a
> developer, you can help. For example, writing a document such as this
> takes time. Also, maintaining a website is not done by staring at it all
> day.
> 
> - Website: Some areas are severely outdated and things like release
> notes need to be written too.
> 
> - Bug hunting and triaging: We could use a few more people to check out
> bugs and try to reproduce and categorize them in Bugzilla. We are
> especially short on people doing this on macOS. While we are on it.
> Writing lengthy threads in the news and support groups is fine but if no
> one actually reports them as a bug in the end they usually won't get fixed.

Hi Frank,
thank you for this exhaustive update. For what concerns myself, I'd like
to help out, with a few caveats:

* At the moment I'm finishing my PhD thesis, so I have no time for
anything. After that, I'll be travelling for a few months. Starting
second half of October, I'll be home again with nothing to do for about
three months and after that I'll have a job again, but still no thesis
to write at the end, so a bit more free time. I'd be happy to get
acquainted with thing in the initial three months and then just do
normal maintenance.

* I'm no developer: I can help with documents and with the website
(keeping in mind that I'm good at HTML/CSS/PHP but know nothing of JS)
if you'd like me to.

* I have a mac, so I can help with triaging bugs. I don't think I'll
have time to actively search for bugs to triage, but I'll be happy to
have a look at any that a developer will point me to, and help debug it.

Cheers,
Iacopo
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Re: There's a new stable akalla 2.50 x64 build

[Francesco]

Thanks.
I'll keep 2.50 since i can live with this bug After all it's the only one 
i've found so far. Except for that, 64 bit 2.50 works really fine.

Francesco


Il giorno martedì 2 maggio 2017 18:56:16 UTC+2, Frank-Rainer Grahl ha scritto:
> Looks like the x64 problem is a bit older :)
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393302
> I wouldn't expect a solution soon.
> 
> FRG
> 
> Francesco wrote:
> > I can't find a 32 bit 2.50 release on akalla site, but maybe i'm missing 
> > something.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Francesco
> > 
> > Il giorno martedì 2 maggio 2017 14:30:20 UTC+2, Frank-Rainer Grahl ha 
> > scritto:
> >> Interesting. Seems to be a problem with the x64 version only. First 
> >> problem I
> >> ever encountered with the x64. Please uninstall and try the x86 version. I
> >> will need to look at the installer and see if something is wrong there.
> >> FRG
> >>
> >> Francesco wrote:
> >>> Il giorno sabato 29 aprile 2017 11:57:27 UTC+2, Daniel ha scritto:
>  On 29/04/2017 4:55 PM, Francesco wrote:
> > Il giorno venerdì 28 aprile 2017 16:40:40 UTC+2, Daniel ha scritto:
> >> On 28/04/2017 11:20 PM, Francesco wrote:
> >>> Il giorno lunedì 24 aprile 2017 15:05:33 UTC+2, TCW ha scritto:
>  Just saw it here
>  https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows64/
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> i installed this release and noticed that the right click "send to 
> >>> mail recipient" command doesn't work anymore.
> >>> Seamonkey is defined as default mail client, but the right click 
> >>> "send to mail recipient" command does nothing.
> >>> Any suggestion on how to fix it?
> >>> About memory usage, in my case sometimes it raeches 1,5 GB, but after 
> >>> a few seconds it goes to 500 MB with 3 tabs open.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and best regards
> >>> Francesco
> >>>
> >> Francesco, as shown in my sig file I'm using the SM 2.46 Official
> >> Release Version, not the unofficial 2.50 release (although you User
> >> Agent suggests you posted via Google) that you suggest you are using.
> >>
> >> What are you doing when you try to 'right click "send to mail
> >> recipient"'?? Are you in a Browser window, or the Mail & Newsgroup 
> >> screen??
> >>
> >> My Right Click list fails to offer me "send to mail recipient" in 
> >> either
> >> screen! ;-(
> >>
> > ahahah... sorry, i just noticed that my post was not completely clear...
> > When i try to send a file through Windows explorer by using mouse right 
> > click and then selecting "send to mail recipient", nothing happens.
> 
>  Ah!! O.K., well then your system seems to not know what is your default
>  e-mail program. As you're using Windows, I would have expected
>  Outlook/Express or Live Mail to have been your default system e-mail
>  client if nothing else was selected.
> 
> > Or better, Seamonkey opens, if previously closed, but no mail compose 
> > window appear.
> > I also tried by creating a new sendto shortcut to Seamonkey with 
> > /compose command but in this case the compose window opens, but with no 
> > attachment.
> > With 2.46 and 2.48b1 i had no problem.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>  Could it be that, whilst you had SM 2.46 or 2.48b1 installed, your
>  system knew they were your default, so tried to start them, but now that
>  you have removed them, your system just doesn't know what to start up
>  properly??
> 
>  -- 
>  Daniel
> 
>  User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
>  SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751
> >>>
> >>> Daniel,
> >>> Seamonkey is still registered as default email client in my sistem. It 
> >>> starts on sendto command but with no mail-compose window (and no file 
> >>> attached).
> >>>
> >>> Francesco
> >>>
> >

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Unknown download error

[Richmond]

I am using User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:54.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51
Build identifier: 20170429092311

which I built myself from the comm-beta.

I am getting an error on a download which only happens in my default
profile, not if I create a new one. How can I find out what the error is?

I launched seamonkey from a terminal windows and there is no error
displayed.

I tried this:

seamonkey --devtools --jsdebugger --jsconsole

but couldn't see anything relevant.
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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union!

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/02/2017 09:40 PM, P. H. Madore wrote:

I think it would be valid to focus on getting SeaMonkey into Ubuntu
and Debian repos. Willing to help.


Is there any data to show how much penetration of the Debian/Ubuntu 
market SeaMonkey already has? For example I am using Debian Jessie, but 
my UA string only indicates my OS as Linux.


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Re: Unknown download error

[Daniel]

On 3/05/2017 9:16 PM, Richmond wrote:

I am using User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:54.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51
Build identifier: 20170429092311

which I built myself from the comm-beta.

I am getting an error on a download which only happens in my default
profile, not if I create a new one. How can I find out what the error is?

I launched seamonkey from a terminal windows and there is no error
displayed.

I tried this:

seamonkey --devtools --jsdebugger --jsconsole

but couldn't see anything relevant.

Richmond, did you have a look at the Error Console?? Tools->Web 
Development->Error Console.


It may tell you something, or give you something to post here to help 
others here advise you what to do/try.


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751

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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union! - Get SeaMonkey into Ubuntu and Debian repos

[Rainer Bielefeld]

On 05/02/2017 09:40 PM, P. H. Madore wrote:

I think it would be valid to focus on getting SeaMonkey into Ubuntu
and Debian repos. Willing to help.

Hello,

great! To keep this thread a little more clear I created this sub thread 
for "Get  SeaMonkey into Ubuntu  and Debian repos", I hope some other 
sub threads with new Ideas will follow.


Of course it would be great to be listed in the repos, this might be a 
way to get additional volunteers, also for the basic taks.


But you all should know: currently all core volunteers are busy to do 
necessary code updates, infrastructure updates and so on. A new task 
like this only can be done by new volunteers, the "old" staff will only 
be able to help a little with advice and smaller assistance.


I think it would be useful to create a new task for this here 
, where all ToDos 
can be gathered.


Best Regards

Rainer
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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union! - Get SeaMonkey into Ubuntu and Debian repos

[David H. Durgee]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

On 05/02/2017 09:40 PM, P. H. Madore wrote:

I think it would be valid to focus on getting SeaMonkey into Ubuntu
and Debian repos. Willing to help.


You are aware of ubuntuzilla, I hope.  With that there is a repo that 
can be used already present.  All that should be necessary is to get it 
added to the list of official repositories.


Dave


Hello,

great! To keep this thread a little more clear I created this sub thread
for "Get  SeaMonkey into Ubuntu  and Debian repos", I hope some other
sub threads with new Ideas will follow.

Of course it would be great to be listed in the repos, this might be a
way to get additional volunteers, also for the basic taks.

But you all should know: currently all core volunteers are busy to do
necessary code updates, infrastructure updates and so on. A new task
like this only can be done by new volunteers, the "old" staff will only
be able to help a little with advice and smaller assistance.

I think it would be useful to create a new task for this here
, where all ToDos
can be gathered.

Best Regards

Rainer


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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union! - Get SeaMonkey into Ubuntu and Debian repos

[WaltS48]

On 5/3/17 9:06 AM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

On 05/02/2017 09:40 PM, P. H. Madore wrote:

I think it would be valid to focus on getting SeaMonkey into Ubuntu
and Debian repos. Willing to help.

Hello,

great! To keep this thread a little more clear I created this sub 
thread for "Get  SeaMonkey into Ubuntu  and Debian repos", I hope some 
other sub threads with new Ideas will follow.


Of course it would be great to be listed in the repos, this might be a 
way to get additional volunteers, also for the basic taks.


It was in Ubuntu repos until there was no one to maintain it.



I doubt there will be a miraculous comeback.

If it is like their Thunderbird support, users will wait weeks before a 
release shows up.


I even installed the ubuntu-mozilla-security ppa on a recommendation for 
keeping Thunderbird up to date. Checked and was informed that my 45.8.0 
was the latest version. At that time 52.0.1 was out and now 52.1.0 is out.


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Re: Unknown download error

[Richmond]

Daniel  writes:

> On 3/05/2017 9:16 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> I am using User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:54.0)
>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51
>> Build identifier: 20170429092311
>>
>> which I built myself from the comm-beta.
>>
>> I am getting an error on a download which only happens in my default
>> profile, not if I create a new one. How can I find out what the error is?
>>
>> I launched seamonkey from a terminal windows and there is no error
>> displayed.
>>
>> I tried this:
>>
>> seamonkey --devtools --jsdebugger --jsconsole
>>
>> but couldn't see anything relevant.
>>
> Richmond, did you have a look at the Error Console?? Tools->Web
> Development->Error Console.
>
> It may tell you something, or give you something to post here to help others
> here advise you what to do/try.

I just tried it, there are no errors on there.

I have found that if I click the little retry icon the download succeeds
the second time. But the first time it always fails.

The link is here:

https://twitter.com/SGgrc/status/859500675184476160

It is a bit.ly link which goes to a t.co link which downloads a pdf.
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Re: Strange 403 Forbidden error

[Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey]

Tue, 2 May 2017 00:06:18 +0200, /Dirk Munk/:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:


Here are screenshots of my attempt:

* http://i.imgur.com/zRP88h0.png
* http://i.imgur.com/ZUC6Hz2.png
* http://i.imgur.com/WQGvLRb.png
* http://i.imgur.com/jlsOQkW.png

You could see my UA is:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 
SeaMonkey/2.49


I'm trying it with this UA string:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0


Can you confirm this is the actual string sent in your requests by 
observing the Network tab in the Developer tools (as seen on my 
screenshots)?  Could you try appending SeaMonkey/2.49 to that, and see 
if it makes any difference?



I still get the 403 error.

Are you using IPv6? I am!


Not sure.  Likely not as I'm going via modem/router set up by my ISP, 
although it appears I have it set up for the local network on my laptop, 
and desktop machines.  I'm still not convinced it's an IP related, as 
you seem to reach the site and it responds with an HTTP 403.  What you 
get from executing (in a Command Prompt):


tracert scanmarker.com

?

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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union! - Get SeaMonkey into Ubuntu and Debian repos

[Steve Wendt]

On 5/3/2017 6:06 AM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:


Of course it would be great to be listed in the repos


FWIW, I'm happy to say that SeaMonkey has been maintained in the Fedora 
repository.  The maintainer accepted my request to enable GStreamer in 
his build, after it had been enabled for Firefox.

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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union!

[Steve Wendt]

On 5/3/2017 1:21 AM, Iacopo Benesperi wrote:


* I have a mac, so I can help with triaging bugs. I don't think I'll
have time to actively search for bugs to triage


I think this is mainly a question of constructing a good Bugzilla query.
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Re: Strange 403 Forbidden error

[Dirk Munk]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Tue, 2 May 2017 00:06:18 +0200, /Dirk Munk/:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:


Here are screenshots of my attempt:

* http://i.imgur.com/zRP88h0.png
* http://i.imgur.com/ZUC6Hz2.png
* http://i.imgur.com/WQGvLRb.png
* http://i.imgur.com/jlsOQkW.png

You could see my UA is:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49


I'm trying it with this UA string:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0


Can you confirm this is the actual string sent in your requests by 
observing the Network tab in the Developer tools (as seen on my 
screenshots)?  Could you try appending SeaMonkey/2.49 to that, and see 
if it makes any difference?


You can also use this site:

http://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/

It will also show you the IPv4 or IPv6 address you're using.





I still get the 403 error.

Are you using IPv6? I am!


Not sure.  Likely not as I'm going via modem/router set up by my ISP, 
although it appears I have it set up for the local network on my 
laptop, and desktop machines.  I'm still not convinced it's an IP 
related, as you seem to reach the site and it responds with an HTTP 
403.  What you get from executing (in a Command Prompt):


tracert scanmarker.com

?


C:\>tracert scanmarker.com

Tracing route to scanmarker.com [2400:cb00:2048:1::6819:4213]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1 3 ms<1 ms<1 ms  fritz.box 
[2001:470:d377:0:c225:6ff:fe2a:8bfa]

  217 ms17 ms18 ms  2001:470:1f14:386::1
  326 ms20 ms24 ms  ve213.core1.ams1.he.net [2001:470:0:7d::1]
  419 ms18 ms13 ms  ams-ix.as13335.net 
[2001:7f8:1::a501:3335:1]

  511 ms11 ms11 ms  2400:cb00:2048:1::6819:4213
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Re: Unknown download error

[Daniel]

On 4/05/2017 3:14 AM, Richmond wrote:

Daniel  writes:


On 3/05/2017 9:16 PM, Richmond wrote:

I am using User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:54.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/54.0 SeaMonkey/2.51
Build identifier: 20170429092311

which I built myself from the comm-beta.

I am getting an error on a download which only happens in my default
profile, not if I create a new one. How can I find out what the error is?

I launched seamonkey from a terminal windows and there is no error
displayed.

I tried this:

seamonkey --devtools --jsdebugger --jsconsole

but couldn't see anything relevant.


Richmond, did you have a look at the Error Console?? Tools->Web
Development->Error Console.

It may tell you something, or give you something to post here to help others
here advise you what to do/try.


I just tried it, there are no errors on there.

I have found that if I click the little retry icon the download succeeds
the second time. But the first time it always fails.

The link is here:

https://twitter.com/SGgrc/status/859500675184476160

It is a bit.ly link which goes to a t.co link which downloads a pdf.

Clicking, first time, on your twitter link took me to Steve Gibson's 
Twitter page on which there is a bit.ly link to 
https://www.grc.com/sn/SN-610-Notes.pdf which opens in a SeaMonkey 
Browser tab for me!!


Sorry, all I can say is  WFM!! First time!!

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Re: The State of the SeaMonkey Union!

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

I use this one for suite to pick all:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap&x_axis_field=bug_status&y_axis_field=component&product=SeaMonkey&resolution=

You would need one for mailnews too:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?query_format=report-table&format=table&action=wrap&x_axis_field=bug_status&y_axis_field=component&product=MailNews%20Core&resolution=


Steve Wendt wrote:

On 5/3/2017 1:21 AM, Iacopo Benesperi wrote:


* I have a mac, so I can help with triaging bugs. I don't think I'll
have time to actively search for bugs to triage


I think this is mainly a question of constructing a good Bugzilla query.


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