Re: Diverge From T-bird

[rickman]

NFN Smith wrote on 6/13/2017 5:18 PM:

David C. Mores wrote:


Thanks for adding your quantitative study information to this discussion.
It's interesting, and made me realize that my comments on fastness were
about operational fastness and not about the app startup time fastness -
which likely is what the original FF/TB/SM discussion was about.



True.

When it comes to evaluating speed, there's fast (or slow) and then there's
fast.

With Seamonkey, speed of loading the application is one thing, and speed of
operation is another. And within operational speed, there's not just what's
happening on the local computer, but things like connectivity to a site, and
responsiveness of the site itself.  There's several different potential
bottlenecks.


That all applies to the browser and would be the same between different 
browsers.  I only really use SeaMonkey for newsgroups and only use the 
SeaMonkey browser when I click a link in a newsgroup.  That said, I find 
everything in SeaMonkey to be slow.  There are times I am waiting to type 
into the newsgroup post I am making and have to find something else to do 
while I am waiting for control to return.  I also see focus change to the 
main window sometimes resulting in chaos when it starts interpreting my 
typed ahead keys as commands.


I saw similar speed issues in T-bird which has a lot of common code while I 
don't find these speed issues in any other apps on my computer.  When these 
speed issues happen, I don't see any indication in task manager the computer 
is being taxed in any way.


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Re: How to Disable Signature Added By AVG Anti Virus

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:


Arnie Goetchius wrote:

Is there a way to disable sending a signature on Seamonkey (email
or newsgroup)? When I try to stop AVG from attaching a signature
using the following instructions, it does not work. I need to be
able to disable the Signature function in SM 2.46.

From AVG instructions:  Open AVG > Menu > Settings > Components >
Email protection > Customize > Behavior > uncheck "Insert note into
clean message (outgoing)" and save the settings.

Unchecking does nothing.

--- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com


I think I figured out. Let's see if is now disabled.


Pass, friend.

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Re: Installation of SM 2.46 under Linux Mint 17.3 failed

[WaltS48]

On 6/13/17 5:17 AM, Daniel wrote:

On 13/06/2017 8:41 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Klaus Weber wrote:

After a crash of the system I wanted to reinstall SM from the download
seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.46-0ubuntu1_i386.deb. But it did not work.

Error message:
Fehler: Beschädigt vorhandenes Paket "hunspell-en-us"‚ welches in
Konflikt steht: "iceweasel". Aber
"/home/klaus/Downloads/seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.46-0ubuntu1_i386.deb"
bietet es an über: "gnome-www- browser, iceweasel,www-browser,seamonkey"

Any suggestions, what I should do?

Klaus



Is my SeaMonkey broken?

I'm seeing this new Subject, as a Followup to a post by David E. Ross in
the, "Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7" thread.

Shouldn't it be a separate topic, with its own thread?

Also see the problem in my Thunderbird. :(


Normally, yes.

But if Klaus had clicked on David's post, read it (or not), then deleted 
the content, including the Subject:, he would have had a blank form 
which would have threaded in this thread (as it did), wouldn't he??




Pretty tacky thing to do IMHO. 😒



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Re: How to Disable Signature Added By AVG Anti Virus

[Arnie Goetchius]

Arnie Goetchius wrote:
> Is there a way to disable sending a signature on Seamonkey (email or 
> newsgroup)? When I try to stop
> AVG from attaching a signature using the following instructions, it does not 
> work. I need to be able
> to disable the Signature function in SM 2.46.
> 
> From AVG instructions:  Open AVG > Menu > Settings > Components > Email 
> protection > Customize >
> Behavior > uncheck "Insert note into clean message (outgoing)" and save the 
> settings.
> 
> Unchecking does nothing.
> 
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> http://www.avg.com
> 
I think I figured out. Let's see if is now dsabled.
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Re: Color highlight of new (vs. unread) folders/messages

[Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey]

Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:00:25 -0400, /rickman/:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 6/12/2017 7:35 AM:


https://userstyles.org/styles/143818/color-new-vs-unread-folders-messages

Please give it a try and tell me if it misses something (or does more than) 
you need.  Note, the style doesn't govern which folders are considered 
"new".  I couldn't find "biffState-NewMail" similar indicator for closed 
threads with _new_ messages, also.

[...]
[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/stylish


I'm not familiar with Stylish.  When it was first mentioned I thought it 
was an add in to SeaMonkey, but it seems to be something more general.  
In fact, when I read "help" it says it is for Chrome and Firefox and 
doesn't mention SeaMonkey.


If you have trouble with the userstyles.org site you could add the style 
manually to your Stylish [1] addon:


@namespace 
url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";);


@-moz-document url("chrome://messenger/content/messenger.xul") {

  .icon-holder[BiffState="NewMail"][IsServer="true"],
  .icon-holder[NewMessages="true"],
  treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(biffState-NewMail, isServer-true),
  treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(biffState-NewMail, 
subfoldersHaveUnreadMessages-true, closed),

  treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(newMessages-true),
  treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(new) {
color: green;
  }

  treechildren::-moz-tree-cell-text(selected, focus) {
color: -moz-CellHighlightText;
  }

}

You could also use the "userChrome.css" [2] for that purpose, though it 
has inherent flaw [3] making such kind of "overlay" style customization 
much more difficult (using !important [4] declarations).


[2] http://kb.mozillazine.org/UserChrome.css
[3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676054
[4] 
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Specificity#The_!important_exception


When I visit the page you link to,  the page never fully loads with a 
notice at the bottom it is waiting for googleads.g.doubleclick.net...  I 
see an ad pretending to be a download link which tries to get me to 
install what may well be malware.  Then I see a smaller box that says 
"Install with Stylish" which takes me to a page of Firefox add-ons 
showing Stylish.  Is this what I am supposed to install into SeaMonkey?  
One of the two reviews says,


Whoever taken over this plugin is destroying it.

Selling user info, making a buggy website, plugin still missing basic 
functionality.


It's amazing that it is still holding up.


Should I be concerned?

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Re: Diverge From T-bird

[NFN Smith]

David C. Mores wrote:


Thanks for adding your quantitative study information to this 
discussion.  It's interesting, and made me realize that my comments on 
fastness were about operational fastness and not about the app startup 
time fastness - which likely is what the original FF/TB/SM discussion 
was about.



True.

When it comes to evaluating speed, there's fast (or slow) and then 
there's fast.


With Seamonkey, speed of loading the application is one thing, and speed 
of operation is another. And within operational speed, there's not just 
what's happening on the local computer, but things like connectivity to 
a site, and responsiveness of the site itself.  There's several 
different potential bottlenecks.


Smith
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Re: lost mail account

[Paul B. Gallagher]

magdupui...@gmail.com wrote:


my friend updated Sea Monkey and cannot get into his mail account now
or see his address book? When he goes to the mail, it asks him to set
up a new account.How does he get into his existing mail account
he had before he updated Sea Monkey?


Begin with the Profile Manager. Can he see his existing profile, which 
would contain all that? If so, make it the default profile and relaunch SM.


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lost mail account

[magdupuis59]

my friend updated Sea Monkey and cannot get into his mail account now or see 
his address book? When he goes to the mail, it asks him to set up a new 
account.How does he get into his existing mail account he had before he 
updated Sea Monkey?
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How to Disable Signature Added By AVG Anti Virus

[Arnie Goetchius]

Is there a way to disable sending a signature on Seamonkey (email or 
newsgroup)? When I try to stop
AVG from attaching a signature using the following instructions, it does not 
work. I need to be able
to disable the Signature function in SM 2.46.

>From AVG instructions:  Open AVG > Menu > Settings > Components > Email 
>protection > Customize >
Behavior > uncheck "Insert note into clean message (outgoing)" and save the 
settings.

Unchecking does nothing.
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Re: Diverge From T-bird

[David C. Mores via support-seamonkey]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 6/10/17 at 8:39 PM, David C. Mores's prodigious digits fired off with
great aplomb:

EE wrote:

rickman wrote:

When using SeaMonkey for reading newsgroups, I see a number of
differences from T-bird.  One that is particularly annoying is when
reading a thread new posts often show up in the middle with other parts
of the thread outside of the thread pane.  An easy way to see if any
other posts remain unread in this thread is to use the \ key to close
the thread.  If an underline remains I could then press 'N' to take me
to the next unread post in that thread in T-bird.  In SeaMonkey it
takes
me to the first unread post in the GROUP!

Obviously this is a divergence from T-bird.  Was this something that
was
changed in SeaMonkey or in T-bird?

I find any number of differences in usability like this.  I think if I
could get T-bird to work on my machine I would switch back.  But it ran
even slower than SeaMonkey does, so SeaMonkey is a net improvement,
just
not a large one.

For that matter, why did SeaMonkey split off from T-bird?  What was the
fundamental issue that created a new tool so similar to the old?


What do you mean, "outside of the thread pane"? If a thread exists, it
has to be in the thread pane, unless you think that some part of it was
not sent.

SeaMonkey did not split from Thunderbird.  Thunderbird and Firefox split
off from the Mozilla suite, and SeaMonkey was a continuation of the
Mozilla suite, only kept more up to date by having the cores of
Thunderbird and Firefox.


As I recall it from the discussion at the time, Thunderbird and
Firefox were created as separate, single function applications to make
them faster and more responsive than the combined multi-function
application.


That was part of the rationale.



I never understood or appreciated this view because I always found the
Seamonkey multi-function application to be entirely responsive and
fast enough for me.  Like what are we talking about?  300ms verses
500ms or some such - not really perceptible for most of us in day to
day usage. Having the mail and browser app, etc. rolled into one
seemed to be - and continues to be - a supremely convenient and
efficient way to go, but your mileage and situation may vary.


A long time ago, because of the faster/lighter argument, I did a
comparison of SM vs separate apps.



The original was done, I think, in 2006. I re-ran them in 2013.



Thanks for adding your quantitative study information to this 
discussion.  It's interesting, and made me realize that my comments on 
fastness were about operational fastness and not about the app startup 
time fastness - which likely is what the original FF/TB/SM discussion 
was about.

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[PROBLEM SOLVED] -Re: Video OK with IE and not working with SM with "media.autoplay.enabled" false

[Ray_Net]

The culprit is AdBlock-Plus :-)

Sorry for the disturbance.
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Re: Color highlight of new (vs. unread) folders/messages

[rickman]

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 6/12/2017 7:35 AM:

Here's initial draft of the style:

https://userstyles.org/styles/143818/color-new-vs-unread-folders-messages

Please give it a try and tell me if it misses something (or does more than)
you need.  Note, the style doesn't govern which folders are considered
"new".  I couldn't find "biffState-NewMail" similar indicator for closed
threads with _new_ messages, also.

– Stanimir


 Original Message 
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 00:44:53 +0300
From: Stanimir Stamenkov
Subject: Re: Seamonkey Icons
Message-ID:


Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:02:37 -0400, /rickman/:

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote on 6/5/2017 2:37 PM:

Mon, 5 Jun 2017 14:06:10 -0400, /rickman/:


Yeah, but nothing at the thread level and nothing in the folder pane to
make groups with new messages stand out.  Unread is not the same as "new".

I recall in T-bird they would color the group name in green to show it
had new posts.


The suggested styling customization achieves just that in the thread pane:

http://i.imgur.com/GUIvtiR.png

As you may see from the screenshot the same could be achieved in the
folder pane also.  It seems we're going too off-topic with the coloring
here, so you may wish to start a new thread on it, or just search the web
to find past discussions on it.


I'm not sure there is anything to discuss further.  You continue to
discuss the thread pane while I am talking about the folder pane.  You
discuss unread posts while I am talking about *new* posts.


O.k.  So you appear to want:

http://i.imgur.com/MSTAPRA.png

In the next days I'll provide this as Stylish [1] style with customizable
color, pretty much like:

https://userstyles.org/styles/126461/mail-compose-quote-color

(press the "Advanced Style Settings" to change the color)

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/stylish


I'm not familiar with Stylish.  When it was first mentioned I thought it was 
an add in to SeaMonkey, but it seems to be something more general.  In fact, 
when I read "help" it says it is for Chrome and Firefox and doesn't mention 
SeaMonkey.


When I visit the page you link to,  the page never fully loads with a notice 
at the bottom it is waiting for googleads.g.doubleclick.net...  I see an ad 
pretending to be a download link which tries to get me to install what may 
well be malware.  Then I see a smaller box that says "Install with Stylish" 
which takes me to a page of Firefox add-ons showing Stylish.  Is this what I 
am supposed to install into SeaMonkey?  One of the two reviews says,


Whoever taken over this plugin is destroying it.

Selling user info, making a buggy website, plugin still missing basic 
functionality.


It's amazing that it is still holding up.


Should I be concerned?

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Re: Color highlight of new (vs. unread) folders/messages

[Daniel]

On 13/06/2017 1:24 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:


On 6/12/17 at 7:35 AM, Stanimir Stamenkov's prodigious digits fired
off with great aplomb:


Here's initial draft of the style:



Please give it a try and tell me if it misses something (or does
more than) you need.  Note, the style doesn't govern which folders
are considered "new".  I couldn't find "biffState-NewMail" similar
 indicator for closed threads with _new_ messages, also.

– Stanimir


Link shows me a blank page in SM and FF.


Page WFM, have not tried the style sheet.

When I click on the link above (twice, now), I get a screen with lots of 
stuff (including "Install with *Stylish* "), with a window which 
displays the message "Preview not available".


I then cleared my Error Console, closed the page, re-clicked on the 
above link and then re-checked the Error Console and had 48 errors, 
including some "Expected declaration ", some "Error in parsing 
value", some "Unknown property ", some google-analytic blocked 
errors, some Unknown property 'use-select', etc., etc.


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SeaMonkey/2.48 Build identifier: 20170329183526

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Re: Installation of SM 2.46 under Linux Mint 17.3 failed

[Daniel]

On 13/06/2017 8:41 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

Klaus Weber wrote:

After a crash of the system I wanted to reinstall SM from the download
seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.46-0ubuntu1_i386.deb. But it did not work.

Error message:
Fehler: Beschädigt vorhandenes Paket "hunspell-en-us"‚ welches in
Konflikt steht: "iceweasel". Aber
"/home/klaus/Downloads/seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.46-0ubuntu1_i386.deb"
bietet es an über: "gnome-www- browser, iceweasel,www-browser,seamonkey"

Any suggestions, what I should do?

Klaus



Is my SeaMonkey broken?

I'm seeing this new Subject, as a Followup to a post by David E. Ross in
the, "Sort of Bookmarks will not save (remain) SM 2.46 Win's 7" thread.

Shouldn't it be a separate topic, with its own thread?

Also see the problem in my Thunderbird. :(


Normally, yes.

But if Klaus had clicked on David's post, read it (or not), then deleted 
the content, including the Subject:, he would have had a blank form 
which would have threaded in this thread (as it did), wouldn't he??


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.48 Build identifier: 20170329183526

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Re: Color highlight of new (vs. unread) folders/messages

[Stanimir Stamenkov via support-seamonkey]

Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:35:13 +0300, /Stanimir Stamenkov/:


Here's initial draft of the style:

https://userstyles.org/styles/143818/color-new-vs-unread-folders-messages

Please give it a try and tell me if it misses something (or does more 
than) you need.  Note, the style doesn't govern which folders are 
considered "new".  I couldn't find "biffState-NewMail" similar indicator 
for closed threads with _new_ messages, also.


Minor fix for selected items applied additionally.  If you had it 
installed already the page should provide "Update Style" button now.


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