History listings not by day or date, don't delete

[flyguy]

When I group "by day" and look in the "Older than 6 months" folder, it 
seems to have all the sites I've visited in the last 13 months, not just 
old ones.


Worse, I have my Preferences>Browser>History> "Remember form and search 
history" set to 90 days, but have jillions older than that.


Unexpectedly, the Month folders seem to contain every website visited 
from that month to the present, rather than just the specific month.


If I group by "None", I am unable to delete websites, but I can delete 
them if I group by "Day".


What the heck is going on?
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Re: History listings not by day or date, don't delete

[WaltS48]

On 09/11/2014 12:06 PM, flyguy wrote:

When I group "by day" and look in the "Older than 6 months" folder, it
seems to have all the sites I've visited in the last 13 months, not just
old ones.

Worse, I have my Preferences>Browser>History> "Remember form and search
history" set to 90 days, but have jillions older than that.

Unexpectedly, the Month folders seem to contain every website visited
from that month to the present, rather than just the specific month.

If I group by "None", I am unable to delete websites, but I can delete
them if I group by "Day".

What the heck is going on?



Group by is "Day". What is Sort by?

An extension interfering?

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Re: History listings not by day or date, don't delete

[David E. Ross]

On 9/11/2014 9:06 AM, flyguy wrote:
> When I group "by day" and look in the "Older than 6 months" folder, it 
> seems to have all the sites I've visited in the last 13 months, not just 
> old ones.
> 
> Worse, I have my Preferences>Browser>History> "Remember form and search 
> history" set to 90 days, but have jillions older than that.
> 
> Unexpectedly, the Month folders seem to contain every website visited 
> from that month to the present, rather than just the specific month.
> 
> If I group by "None", I am unable to delete websites, but I can delete 
> them if I group by "Day".
> 
> What the heck is going on?
> 

It appears that, if you visit a Web site today and you previously
visited that same site last month, the site will appear twice in your
history.  If you visit a site today, the same site last week, and the
same site last month, it would appear three times in your history.

That was NOT the way it used to work.  Previously, the entry from last
month would be moved to today; only one entry would appear.

All this is a result of the "improvement" about three years ago that
moved history to places.sqlite and removed the ability for users to set
a age-limit on history and get entries older than that limit deleted.
The Expire History button in the PrefBar extension (an extra button
available at )
allows users to expire old history.  However, this requires a manual
request from the end-user instead of the automatic deletion of old
history that used to exist.

I believe this is an example of "improvements" that benefit the
developers, not the end-users.  Another such "improvement" now means
that expired cookies are not deleted from the Cookie Manager, making it
harder for end-users to find specific entries among a long list of
cookies.

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Re: History listings not by day or date, don't delete

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


It appears that, if you visit a Web site today and you previously
visited that same site last month, the site will appear twice in
your history.  If you visit a site today, the same site last week,
and the same site last month, it would appear three times in your
history.

That was NOT the way it used to work.  Previously, the entry from
last month would be moved to today; only one entry would appear.


For sites that I have visited many times to see many different pages, I 
have many different entries -- but only one per page. If I return to 
YouTube and play the same favorite vid over and over, SM keeps updating 
the history and by changing the date/time stamp.



All this is a result of the "improvement" about three years ago that
moved history to places.sqlite and removed the ability for users to set
a age-limit on history and get entries older than that limit deleted.
The Expire History button in the PrefBar extension (an extra button
available at )
allows users to expire old history.  However, this requires a manual
request from the end-user instead of the automatic deletion of old
history that used to exist.

I believe this is an example of "improvements" that benefit the
developers, not the end-users.  Another such "improvement" now means
that expired cookies are not deleted from the Cookie Manager, making it
harder for end-users to find specific entries among a long list of
cookies.


In my experience, expired cookies are deleted whenever cookies are 
purged. You can do this manually by clearing private data, or 
automatically by setting SM to do so on exit. And of course if you want 
to go the extra mile, you can go into the Cookie Manager and manually 
delete cookies individually or en masse.


As for locating a particular cookie, I find it relatively easy by 
selecting the originating domain in the Cookie Manager; it's rare for 
any domain to set more than 15 or 20. Of course, since I have SM set to 
clear all cookies on exit, I'm not distracted by the clutter of old 
cookies; I can't even say if those are automatically removed or not.


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Re: History listings not by day or date, don't delete

[Ant]

I think there is something seriously wrong with v2.29. Even after 
downgrading SM back to v2.26.1, I still saw problems. It seems like 
v2.29 corrupted our histories and can't fix it. I couldn't clear all pf 
its history events, etc. I had to delete my places.sqlite file and start 
clean (still has my bookmarks though!).


For now, I am going to stay on v2.26.1 due to weird addressbooks' sort 
and history issues.


I really wished Mozilla kept histories, bookmarks, etc. separate and not 
into one single places.sqlite file like its old days. :(



flyguy wrote:

When I group "by day" and look in the "Older than 6 months" folder, it
seems to have all the sites I've visited in the last 13 months, not just
old ones.

Worse, I have my Preferences>Browser>History> "Remember form and search
history" set to 90 days, but have jillions older than that.

Unexpectedly, the Month folders seem to contain every website visited
from that month to the present, rather than just the specific month.

If I group by "None", I am unable to delete websites, but I can delete
them if I group by "Day".

What the heck is going on?

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Re: History listings not by day or date, don't delete

[flyguy]

flyguy wrote, On 9/11/2014 9:06 AM:

When I group "by day" and look in the "Older than 6 months" folder, it
seems to have all the sites I've visited in the last 13 months, not just
old ones.

Worse, I have my Preferences>Browser>History> "Remember form and search
history" set to 90 days, but have jillions older than that.

Unexpectedly, the Month folders seem to contain every website visited
from that month to the present, rather than just the specific month.

If I group by "None", I am unable to delete websites, but I can delete
them if I group by "Day".

What the heck is going on?


I should have mentioned I am using Sm 2.26 on Win 8.1, Samsung ATIV Book 
9+. The same thing happens on my Dell XP laptop running the same 
profile. History is not grouping things by Month, but apparently from 
selected month to now.


Today, Last 7 days, and This month do have the correct entries in them.
August has entries from 8/1 to 9/11
July entries from 7/1 to 9/11
And so on.

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