Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread David E. Ross 
On 5/2/11 6:06 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> W3BNR wrote:
> 
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> W3BNR wrote:
 Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future.  Looks like
 SeaMonkey will not be supported (as usual).  Here's a quote from
 their page: 

 "You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
 Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."
>>>
>>> Please see any of hundreds of threads on how to add "Firefox 3.0" to
>>> your User Agent string. 
>>>
>>> Nearly all web sites that choose to "browser-sniff" only look for
>>> the three or four most popular. This does not mean that they "don't
>>> support" your choice of browser. It will still work. 
>>
>> I'm well aware I can spoof anything I want or even use an IE viewer
>> within SM. I'm just po'ed that sites do not want to admit (read
>> "support') other internet software.  If they would make their sites
>> W3C compatible there would be no need to even sniff for the browsers.
>>  99.9% of the now existing browsers would work (read "no need for
>> support") with their pages.
> 
> I am 99.9% (plus 0.1%) in agreement with your statement. :-)
> 
> Unfortunately, it is a matter of the education of the people hired as
> "webmasters" and "dee-ziners." We who are in the know can do little more
> than send alerts to the companies who hire these uneducated people.
> 
> Recently, my local newspaper completely changed their site
> (unnecessarily) and there are hundreds of errors. An editor invited
> comments on "the new look" of the site, so I responded with tasteful
> comments about the mistakes. There was no answer, so I re-responded
> twice more (finally CC'd the email of the chief editor), and still no
> response.
> 

A postal letter to the CEO -- avoiding an excessive use of technical
terms -- can be effective.

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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread ejDELETHIS 

W3BNR wrote:

Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future. Looks like SeaMonkey
will not be supported (as usual). Here's a quote from their page:


"You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."



SM 2.1 beta3 works fine with the new Yahoo! email.

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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread W3BNR 

On 5/2/2011 9:59 AM WLS wrote:

W3BNR wrote:

Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future. Looks like SeaMonkey
will not be supported (as usual). Here's a quote from their page:


"You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."



Contact Yahoo and inform them that their new mail service does not
support your browser and they should remedy the situation. That is what
I did.

Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
Tel: (408) 349-3300
Fax: (408) 349-3301

WLS


Any site that does not function properly & shows W3C errors is reported to
the webmaster and highup authorities of the company where possible.

I hate to say it but I've only received a few replies in the many years I've
been doing that and most of them don't care if it works in IE.

Try the site in IE and if you can find the tiniest of flaws, run it through
W3C and report ALL of those errors to the webmaster when reporting the minor
problem.

To get addresses, e-mails, & phone numbers of the 'wheels' in major companies
I use the Consumer Action Handbook from the GSA Federal Citizen Information
Center.  Available FREE at  http://www.consumeraction.gov/ or download the pdf 
version. Then report the errors to the 'wheels'.  Sometimes that works.


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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread Rick Merrill 

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

W3BNR wrote:


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

W3BNR wrote:

Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future.  Looks like
SeaMonkey will not be supported (as usual).  Here's a quote from
their page:

"You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."


Please see any of hundreds of threads on how to add "Firefox 3.0" to
your User Agent string.

Nearly all web sites that choose to "browser-sniff" only look for
the three or four most popular. This does not mean that they "don't
support" your choice of browser. It will still work.


I'm well aware I can spoof anything I want or even use an IE viewer
within SM. I'm just po'ed that sites do not want to admit (read
"support') other internet software.  If they would make their sites
W3C compatible there would be no need to even sniff for the browsers.
  99.9% of the now existing browsers would work (read "no need for
support") with their pages.


I am 99.9% (plus 0.1%) in agreement with your statement. :-)

Unfortunately, it is a matter of the education of the people hired as
"webmasters" and "dee-ziners." We who are in the know can do little more
than send alerts to the companies who hire these uneducated people.

Recently, my local newspaper completely changed their site
(unnecessarily) and there are hundreds of errors. An editor invited
comments on "the new look" of the site, so I responded with tasteful
comments about the mistakes. There was no answer, so I re-responded
twice more (finally CC'd the email of the chief editor), and still no
response.



One of the rarely touted benefits of W3C "compliance" is to have a
web site viewable on various devices other than a PC or MAC. Try
the site on a cellphone or even on a scaled down window - then
report the lack of functionality along with the most flagrant
errors as possible causes.


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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread upscope 
On Monday, May 02, 2011 05:45:44 AM W3BNR wrote:
> On 5/2/2011 7:28 AM Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> > W3BNR wrote:
> >> Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future.  Looks like
> >> SeaMonkey will not be supported (as usual).  Here's a quote from
> >> their page:
> >> 
> >> "You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
> >> Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."
> > 
> > Please see any of hundreds of threads on how to add "Firefox 3.0"
> > to your User Agent string.
> > 
> > Nearly all web sites that choose to "browser-sniff" only look for
> > the three or four most popular. This does not mean that they
> > "don't support" your choice of browser. It will still work.
> 
> I'm well aware I can spoof anything I want or even use an IE viewer
> within SM. I'm just po'ed that sites do not want to admit (read
> "support') other internet software.  If they would make their sites
> W3C compatible there would be no need to even sniff for the
> browsers.  99.9% of the now existing browsers would work (read "no
> need for support") with their pages.
I agree with your comments, but have the sites I have reported problems 
to don't even know what the W3C site is. I have even taken some of the 
sites source code, ran it thru the W3C verifier and sent the webmaster 
the error list, no responses. All they know is IE works !!
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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread WLS 

W3BNR wrote:

Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future. Looks like SeaMonkey
will not be supported (as usual). Here's a quote from their page:


"You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."



Contact Yahoo and inform them that their new mail service does not 
support your browser and they should remedy the situation. That is what 
I did.


Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
Tel: (408) 349-3300
Fax: (408) 349-3301

WLS
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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread cyberzen 

Robert Kaiser a écrit :

W3BNR schrieb:

Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future. Looks like SeaMonkey
will not be supported (as usual). Here's a quote from their page:


"You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."


Try SeaMonkey 2.1 and Yahoo! should think you have Firefox 4 and work fine.

Robert Kaiser


in those circumstances why not using the IMAP access to yahoo mail 
that's working fine here (SeaMonkey/2.0.14) without spoofing


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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
W3BNR wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> W3BNR wrote:
>>> Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future.  Looks like
>>> SeaMonkey will not be supported (as usual).  Here's a quote from
>>> their page: 
>>> 
>>> "You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
>>> Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."
>> 
>> Please see any of hundreds of threads on how to add "Firefox 3.0" to
>> your User Agent string. 
>> 
>> Nearly all web sites that choose to "browser-sniff" only look for
>> the three or four most popular. This does not mean that they "don't
>> support" your choice of browser. It will still work. 
> 
> I'm well aware I can spoof anything I want or even use an IE viewer
> within SM. I'm just po'ed that sites do not want to admit (read
> "support') other internet software.  If they would make their sites
> W3C compatible there would be no need to even sniff for the browsers.
>  99.9% of the now existing browsers would work (read "no need for
> support") with their pages.

I am 99.9% (plus 0.1%) in agreement with your statement. :-)

Unfortunately, it is a matter of the education of the people hired as
"webmasters" and "dee-ziners." We who are in the know can do little more
than send alerts to the companies who hire these uneducated people.

Recently, my local newspaper completely changed their site
(unnecessarily) and there are hundreds of errors. An editor invited
comments on "the new look" of the site, so I responded with tasteful
comments about the mistakes. There was no answer, so I re-responded
twice more (finally CC'd the email of the chief editor), and still no
response.

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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread W3BNR 

On 5/2/2011 7:28 AM Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

W3BNR wrote:


Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future.  Looks like SeaMonkey
will not be supported (as usual).  Here's a quote from their page:

"You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."


Please see any of hundreds of threads on how to add "Firefox 3.0" to
your User Agent string.

Nearly all web sites that choose to "browser-sniff" only look for the
three or four most popular. This does not mean that they "don't support"
your choice of browser. It will still work.



I'm well aware I can spoof anything I want or even use an IE viewer within SM.
I'm just po'ed that sites do not want to admit (read "support') other
internet software.  If they would make their sites W3C compatible there would
be no need to even sniff for the browsers.  99.9% of the now existing browsers
would work (read "no need for support") with their pages.

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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread Robert Kaiser 

W3BNR schrieb:

Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future. Looks like SeaMonkey
will not be supported (as usual). Here's a quote from their page:


"You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."


Try SeaMonkey 2.1 and Yahoo! should think you have Firefox 4 and work fine.

Robert Kaiser


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Re: No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty 
W3BNR wrote:

> Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future.  Looks like SeaMonkey
> will not be supported (as usual).  Here's a quote from their page: 
> 
> "You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is
> Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."

Please see any of hundreds of threads on how to add "Firefox 3.0" to
your User Agent string.

Nearly all web sites that choose to "browser-sniff" only look for the
three or four most popular. This does not mean that they "don't support"
your choice of browser. It will still work.

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No support for SeaMonkey @ Yahoo

2011-05-02 Thread W3BNR 
Yahoo upgrading mail service in the near future.  Looks like SeaMonkey will not 
be supported (as usual).  Here's a quote from their page:



"You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is Internet 
Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5 or newer."


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